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From GPS-Enforced Speed Limits to GPS-Ended Police Chases

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Scott en Aztlán - 04 Feb 2006 05:29 GMT
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-lapdgps,0,4905491.story?coll=ktla-news-1

With that street-cop psychology, Chief William J. Bratton unveiled
Thursday a new and decidedly strange weapon in the LAPD's effort to
halt high-speed pursuits.

It is an air-propelled miniature dart equipped with a global
positioning device. Once fired from a patrol car, it sticks to a
fleeing motorist's vehicle and emits a radio signal to police.

Bratton hailed the dart as "the big new idea" and said that if the
pilot program was successful, Los Angeles' seemingly daily TV fix of
police chases could be a thing of the past.
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What the heck, I'll play too.
- Dave

N8N - 04 Feb 2006 11:08 GMT
> http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-lapdgps,0,4905491.story?coll=ktla-news-1
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> What the heck, I'll play too.
>  - Dave

I'm curious, how does it "stick?"  Logical assumption would be
magnetic...  hmm, maybe it's time to look into getting an Avanti, or
maybe one of those aluminum-bodied Audis :)

nate
Ulf - 04 Feb 2006 14:01 GMT
>>http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-lapdgps,0,4905491.story?coll=ktla-news-1
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> magnetic...  hmm, maybe it's time to look into getting an Avanti, or
> maybe one of those aluminum-bodied Audis :)

If this actually works, and I have my doubts, which cars do you think
will be the most desirable by the car thieves, bank robbers, etc...

> nate

Ulf
JohnH - 04 Feb 2006 14:34 GMT
>> I'm curious, how does it "stick?"  Logical assumption would be
>> magnetic...  hmm, maybe it's time to look into getting an Avanti, or
>> maybe one of those aluminum-bodied Audis :)
>
> If this actually works, and I have my doubts, which cars do you think
> will be the most desirable by the car thieves, bank robbers, etc...

Dodge Dart.
Scott en Aztlán - 04 Feb 2006 21:52 GMT
>I'm curious, how does it "stick?"

I only caught a brief glimpse of the device on the KTLA Morning News
report, but it looked like some kind of dart that actually punctured
the outer skin of the vehicle.

>Logical assumption would be
>magnetic...  hmm, maybe it's time to look into getting an Avanti, or
>maybe one of those aluminum-bodied Audis :)

If you're right, then my car's Fiberglass-Reinforced Plastic body
should be just the ticket. ;)
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What the heck, I'll play too.
- Dave

Dave Head - 04 Feb 2006 14:30 GMT
>http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-lapdgps,0,4905491.story?coll=ktla-news-1
>
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>pilot program was successful, Los Angeles' seemingly daily TV fix of
>police chases could be a thing of the past.

This is incredibly boneheaded!

They get the location of the car with a GPS.  So what?  They already have the
location of the car now, via helicopters.  Anything that they could do with
this device they can already do via observation from the helicopter.

The only improvement here might be for bad weather and night use where the
chopper is less effective.

Their main problem is that the cops are so boneheaded that they fail to
overtake and box in the fleeing suspect.  They simply chase... and chase... and
chase... and even when they have the suspect vehicle stopped, they fail to
manuever into his path such that he cannot take off again, as we probably all
saw last week when that nut-job drove the wrong way up an on-ramp and hit a car
head-on.  Just before that, they had him stopped, but the cops didn't box him
in.  Are they afraid of denting their cruisers?

Its not the the technology, its the cops!

Dave Head
JohnH - 04 Feb 2006 14:38 GMT
> Bratton hailed the dart as "the big new idea" and said that if the
> pilot program was successful, Los Angeles' seemingly daily TV fix of
> police chases could be a thing of the past.

Wrong.

The appropriate tool will be a rocket launched harpoon which is fired into
the rear window and opens up hooks, with a cable attached to the police car.
The cop simply puts on the brakes and the pursuit ends.

There will be exactly 1 more chase once these are installed on cop cars.
Matthew T. Russotto - 04 Feb 2006 18:28 GMT
>http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-lapdgps,0,4905491.story?coll=ktla-news-1

[...]

>It is an air-propelled miniature dart equipped with a global
>positioning device. Once fired from a patrol car, it sticks to a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>pilot program was successful, Los Angeles' seemingly daily TV fix of
>police chases could be a thing of the past.

So once the chase is off the miscreant dives into the nearest parking
garage, dumps the dart onto another car, and continues on his merry
way.
Sir Ray - 05 Feb 2006 06:43 GMT
I though this would have been the 3-prong remote
controlled...something... used by the cops in '2 Fast 2 Furious' to fry
the car's electrical system, with standard Hollywood style electrical
arcs from the device into the car body (which is normally ground for
the electrical system anyway).
Of course, the way it was shown was utterly ridiculous (I especially
liked the lock-in mode the cops had to get - all 3 prongs positive),
and I have absolutely no idea what use it would be against a muscle car
of the pre-computer era (of which there were many in the movie).
Of course, since I didn't check, somebody is bound to point out this is
standard equipment for the Miami police...
Matthew T. Russotto - 06 Feb 2006 03:44 GMT
>Of course, the way it was shown was utterly ridiculous (I especially
>liked the lock-in mode the cops had to get - all 3 prongs positive),
>and I have absolutely no idea what use it would be against a muscle car
>of the pre-computer era (of which there were many in the movie).
>Of course, since I didn't check, somebody is bound to point out this is
>standard equipment for the Miami police...

A device which can generate a significant EMP can disable or destroy
modern car electronics.  But a device that just generates a bunch of
sparks in the rear of the car?  Perhaps it would affect some cars with
marginal EMI protection anyway, but it isn't going to be reliable.
Against a pre-computer muscle car?  Forget about it.
 
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