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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / February 2006

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AdvDriver - 20 Feb 2006 18:04 GMT
Go read this article
at(http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/articles/45108/article.html)
on how teenagers had many accidents, and how they suggested that driver
education could be improved. I am fairly knowledgeable about safe
driving and would like to make some sugestions about making the roads
safer by improving the standard of a persons driving.

First of all I must tell you that I am an American, but I have read
several books on Roadcraft (A Brittish police driving manual).
Roadcraft is about a system of car control that is based on the
principle that if a vehicle is always positioned correctly, traveling
at the correct speed, and in the right gear that almost all acidents
could avoided. Roadcraft also states that a vehicle must always be able
to stop within the distance that can be seen to be clear. Obtaining a
copy of Roadcraft should not be difficult. Go to amazon.com and type in
ISBN 0-11340858-7 you should be able to get one from one of the many
z-shop sellers.

Roadcraft is not based on avoidance techniques(such as swerving around
cones while mainting control), and only lightly touches skid control.
It is much more about the avoidance of these dangerous situations
rather than getting out of them once they have started. According to
Roadcraft if drive correctly you should be able to avoid these
situations.

Roadcraft has never gained any popularity in the United States
probably, because few people know about it. But I think that it is
probably one of the best ways to improve peoples driving and make them
less likely to be involved in accidents.

More information on Roadcraft can be found at:

http://www.hpc.org.uk

http://www.drivetrainusa.com

'http://www.driveandstayalive.com/articles%20and%20topics/driving%20standards/wha-
t-is-advanced-driving.htm' (http://tinyurl.com/fo2tq)

http://www.roada.org.uk

http://www.iam.org.uk

'http://www.dblogic.co.uk/LAMM/car_system.html'
(http://www.dblogic.co.uk/LAMM/car_system.html)

Books on this topic also include:

Expert Driving the Police Way by John Miles

High Performance Driving for You by Tom Wisdom

both are out of print but searching for a copy on bookfinder.com might
find you one if you are interested.

What do you think of this idea?

Chris

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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 20 Feb 2006 19:06 GMT
> Go read this article
> at(http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/articles/45108/article.html)
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> Roadcraft if drive correctly you should be able to avoid these
> situations.

Everyone knows how to drive safely and they would do so if the
penalties for reckless driving were severe. In america, the media is
constantly telling people that reckless driving is cool and the idiot
sheep accept that nonsense and the killing and maiming on our highways
continues.  Car crashes are a big business and the corrupt media are
paid to encourage it.

If our govt wanted to stop the highway carnage they would call reckless
drivers deadly criminals and hand out lengthy prison sentences for the
crime.

Anyway - education is not the answer. Prison time is.
Alan Baker - 20 Feb 2006 21:41 GMT
> > Go read this article
> > at(http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/articles/45108/article.html)
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>
> Anyway - education is not the answer. Prison time is.

Has the incredibly severe prison time handed out for drug offenses
stopped the drug trade?

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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 21 Feb 2006 00:52 GMT
> Has the incredibly severe prison time handed out for drug offenses
> stopped the drug trade?

What does the drug trade have to do with highway killers???  Two very
different issues.  Druggies are not endangering others, reckless
drivers are.
Alan Baker - 21 Feb 2006 01:32 GMT
> > Has the incredibly severe prison time handed out for drug offenses
> > stopped the drug trade?
>
> What does the drug trade have to do with highway killers???  Two very
> different issues.  Druggies are not endangering others, reckless
> drivers are.

You said that prison sentences will change behavior. I provided a
counter example.

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SD Dave - 22 Feb 2006 03:33 GMT
>> > Has the incredibly severe prison time handed out for drug offenses
>> > stopped the drug trade?
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>You said that prison sentences will change behavior. I provided a
>counter example.

Quite effectively, I might add.

Dave
The LBMHB Blade - 23 Feb 2006 02:36 GMT
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend said this:

> Prison time is.

Prisun iz wair yooooo b-lawng.
Scott en Aztlán - 22 Feb 2006 05:27 GMT
>Roadcraft is about a system of car control that is based on the
>principle that if a vehicle is always positioned correctly, traveling
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>Roadcraft has never gained any popularity in the United States
>probably, because few people know about it.

Few people may know about it by that particular name, but there are
quite a few people in this newsgroup who undoubtedly practice its
tenets.

But you're right, the vast majority of drivers in America neither know
of nor practice the type of situational awareness you describe. Like
the sh.t head in the beat up old Dodge pickup truck who wanted to
enter the right turn lane (that I happened to already be occupying)
without a turn signal but swerved back out of the lane when it became
clear that I wasn't going to slam on my brakes and let him in. I
suspect he didn't even look in his right side mirror until he had
already started moving into my lane, and didn't even know there was a
car there until he was half way through his would-be merge.

People like this practice RoadCRAP (or perhaps RoadCRASH), not
RoadCRAFT.
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What the heck, I'll play too.
- Dave

Harry K - 24 Feb 2006 02:39 GMT
> >Roadcraft is about a system of car control that is based on the
> >principle that if a vehicle is always positioned correctly, traveling
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> What the heck, I'll play too.
>  - Dave

Situational awareness for the vast majority consists of knowing just
where the rear of the vehicle in front of them is (usuall in tailgating
distance).  That is it.  Outside mirrors are for cussing while doing a
wax job.

I feel embarrassed every time I find that I can't say if anyone is
behind me without looking first. Happened again today on a merge, I had
ROW but after I passed the join there was a truck behind me that I
hadn't known was anywhere around.

Harry K
cody_e - 24 Feb 2006 01:55 GMT
I'm 16 and have never had a ticket or accident and I've been driving
like 10 months now. The only near accidents have been someone pulling
out in front of me.

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SD Dave - 24 Feb 2006 04:45 GMT
>I'm 16 and have never had a ticket or accident and I've been driving
>like 10 months now. The only near accidents have been someone pulling
>out in front of me.

Check back with us in 2 or 3 years.

Dave
AdvDriver - 26 Feb 2006 20:26 GMT
89Sunbird Wrote:
> Personally I think that driving exams need to be harder. I too often
> have to swerve or slam on the brakes because some senior citizen, kid,
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> those of us that either dont answer the phone or can successfully
> multi-task!

This is somewhat about making driving test harder.  It is also about
making driving test not to get a license, but to improve your skill at
driving after you have got your license.  Again this has little to do
with actual skill at driving, and is mainly about your attitude and
your mental approach to driving.  Not how well you can swerve around
orange cones at the limit.

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