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dicktrcy - 24 Feb 2006 17:37 GMT Illinois State Police push the panic button on every stop they make. Beware, driving through Illinois. Your liberty and your cash are in jeopardy. In Illinois your CRIME worry is the ILLINOIS State Police. The only reason this incident did not develop into a federal FRAME, is the VICTIM (A DOCTOR) died.
"authorities" in third paragraph is Illinois State Police (conveniently left out this article, because the incident is now moot. (see bottom article.)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0602240350feb24,1,6185378.story?col l=chi-news-hed FBI finds no link to terror in crash Victim was being sued in a local real estate dispute, attorney says
By David Heinzmann and Lolly Bowean, Tribune staff reporters. Tribune staff reporter Andrew Wang contributed to this report Published February 24, 2006
The victim of a fatal Stevenson Expressway traffic accident who attracted the attention of FBI terrorism investigators was a physician from Puerto Rico who had real estate and business investments in the Chicago area but no known ties to terrorism, his attorney and authorities said Thursday.
Lafi Hussein Nofal, 45, died Wednesday in a chain-reaction wreck on the southbound Stevenson near the Harlem Avenue exit.
Authorities said they found a check for $2 million and "other financial instruments" in the car, drawing the attention of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force.
However, the FBI released a statement early Thursday saying there was no known terrorism link and referred further questions to the Illinois State Police.
Dorothy Walsh, a 75-year-old Chicago woman riding in another car, also died in the accident.
Nofal's lawyer said her client was in town from Puerto Rico to deal with a lawsuit related to an Oak Lawn gas station he co-owned. She said the suit concerns property worth more than $1 million. The lawyer, Roxolana Harasymiw, said she did not know what money or documents were in the car but said she thinks Nofal would have had documents related to the lawsuit, and his business interests involved large amounts of money.
Harasymiw speculated that Nofal's Arab ethnicity and the fact that he was not a U.S. resident and had substantial assets probably raised concerns, Harasymiw said.
"I think when you have a Middle Eastern person they jump all over it, and we go overboard," Harasymiw said.
Although he was a resident of Puerto Rico, Nofal had an Illinois State ID card registered to the Palos Hills address of one of his business partners, state records show. That man is now a plaintiff in the suit against Nofal. Family members at the man's home Thursday said they did not know Nofal.
Harasymiw said her client may have gotten a state ID in order to do business in Illinois more easily.
FBI officials declined to provide further information Thursday. State police released a statement Thursday afternoon with information about the accident, which involved seven vehicles. A truck driver from Oklahoma, Benton Chapman, 49, was charged with failure to reduce speed, state police said.
Nofal was in a car being driven by his nephew, Amjad H. Husein, 27, of Chicago.
The gas station lawsuit named another relative, Husan Hussein, as a co-defendant. A woman who answered the door at Hussein's Palos Hills home Thursday said Nofal was a relative, but declined further comment.
Nofal had been in town since last week and was scheduled to leave next Monday after another meeting to attempt to resolve the suit, Harasymiw said.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-stevenson24.html
FBI investigating money found in I-55 wreck
February 24, 2006
Relatives of a man killed in a crash on the Stevenson Expy. said Thursday there is nothing suspicious or criminal about the accident even though it is under investigation by the FBI because a large check and other assets were found in the car.
"We have been here years and years,'' said Osama Hussein, nephew of the dead man, Lafi Hussein Nofal. "We are U.S. citizens. We have businesses. We pay taxes. . . . [Nofal] helped people. He never harmed people.''
Members of Nofal's family found out through local news outlets that the FBI was investigating circumstances of the Wednesday morning crash on the Stevenson. Sources said upwards of $2 million in checks and other financial documents were found in the Kia Sportage.
Family: Amount actually $108,000
The FBI could not confirm the amount and would only say several financial instruments -- which could include checks or money orders -- were found.
The investigation was assigned to the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force at the request of State Police but there was no immediate belief that terrorism was involved, a spokesman said. The duties of the task force are expansive and will include determining whether the cache of documents and money is legitimate.
Nofal's family disputed the amount of money found in the car. They said Nofal was carrying only a cashier's check for $108,000. Nofal was in town to complete the purchase of land in the southwest suburbs and a closing was scheduled for Thursday, said Osama Hussein, Nofal's nephew.
Hussein said the family has provided proof of all this to the FBI.
Woman in other car also killed
Seven vehicles were involved in the accident in the southbound lanes of the Stevenson near Harlem that killed Nofal and a woman in another car, Dorothy Walsh, 75, of Chicago, according to the Illinois State Police.
Nofal's nephew, who was driving the Kia, was injured in the accident.
Hussein said his uncle, 45, lives primarily in Puerto Rico and works there as a family doctor, but keeps a Chicago address in Palos Hills where family members live. He has at least 50 relatives in the Chicago area, including his brother, and he owns property and businesses here.
"[Nofal] used to cure American people," Hussein said.
Nofal was married and had six children. His wife and children moved to the Palestinian territories six months ago, but his wife will be returning here for funeral services, which are scheduled for today.
Brent P - 24 Feb 2006 20:18 GMT > Illinois State Police push the panic button on every stop they make. Beware, > driving through Illinois. Your liberty and your cash are in jeopardy. In [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "authorities" in third paragraph is Illinois State Police (conveniently left > out this article, because the incident is now moot. (see bottom article.) It has been a crime to have a "large sum of money" since the war on drugs.
If you have money, checks, letters of credit, whatever police assume it is illegal until proven otherwise. Sometimes at greater cost than the sum itself.
Scott en Aztlán - 25 Feb 2006 03:46 GMT >It has been a crime to have a "large sum of money" since the war on >drugs. > >If you have money, checks, letters of credit, whatever police assume it >is illegal until proven otherwise. There was a 60 Minutes piece several years ago (well before 9/11) about a guy who had the audacity to purchase an airline ticket with cash. The c.nt at the counter called the cops, who found a large amount of cash in his money belt; they confiscated it under the RICO statutes. Turns out the guy owns a landscaping business and was flying on business to purchase some rare/exotic plants (no, not marijuana or coca plants, either).
At the time the story aired, the man still had not received his money back.
 Signature What the heck, I'll play too. - Dave
Brent P - 25 Feb 2006 04:00 GMT >>It has been a crime to have a "large sum of money" since the war on >>drugs. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > At the time the story aired, the man still had not received his money > back. That is one of a number of stories I've heard on the topic. Keep this sort of thing in mind when you favor schemes where the government can log the actions of people. After all, besides the obvious profit motive, the goal is to make sure as much is logged as possible.
Thomas Avery - 25 Feb 2006 11:21 GMT >>It has been a crime to have a "large sum of money" since the war on >>drugs. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > At the time the story aired, the man still had not received his money > back. This happened in the "Redneck Capital", Nashville, TN.
necromancer - 26 Feb 2006 07:20 GMT > Brent P:
> If you have money, checks, letters of credit, whatever police assume it > is illegal until proven otherwise. Sometimes at greater cost than the sum > itself. Cah I can maybe see, but it seems a bit of a stretch to me that drug dealers/smugglers would be using checks or letters of credit (that leave a peper trail) to conduct business.
Why don't the cops just admit that what they are really doing under the ruse of "the war on drugs," is highway robbery and quit lying to us?
necromancer - 26 Feb 2006 07:22 GMT > necromancer:
> Cah I can maybe see, but it seems a bit of a stretch to me that drug > dealers/smugglers would be using checks or letters of credit (that leave > a peper trail) to conduct business. ^^^^^^^^
That should read "paper trail," not "peper trail."
Ducking kybard!
Matthew Russotto - 28 Feb 2006 18:08 GMT >Why don't the cops just admit that what they are really doing under the >ruse of "the war on drugs," is highway robbery and quit lying to us? Because if they admitted it, more people would shoot them and fewer juries would convict.
Alex Rodriguez - 28 Feb 2006 19:03 GMT >Why don't the cops just admit that what they are really doing under the >ruse of "the war on drugs," is highway robbery and quit lying to us? They aren't lying to anyone. You have to be pretty dumb to not see the obvious. They are doing it simply for the money. What is really sad is that the laws have made it so easy for them to steal your money without having to prove any crime was committed. ----------------- Alex
DTJ - 24 Feb 2006 23:43 GMT >Illinois State Police push the panic button on every stop they make. Beware, >driving through Illinois. Your liberty and your cash are in jeopardy. In >Illinois your CRIME worry is the ILLINOIS State Police. The only reason this >incident did not develop into a federal FRAME, is the VICTIM (A DOCTOR) >died. Hey fuckface, the guy's family claims he had $100,000 on him because he was selling his gas station. Are you so f.cking stupid, OK yes you are, that you believe you need money to SELL SOMETHING?
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SD Dave - 25 Feb 2006 04:01 GMT >>Illinois State Police push the panic button on every stop they make. Beware, >>driving through Illinois. Your liberty and your cash are in jeopardy. In [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >************************* >Dave It's really difficult to comprehend business, but sometimes when one is selling a business there's a partner who has to be bought out. Perhaps the $2 mil was to buy out a partner so the business would be able to be sold?
This is a large business transaction, not buying something off Craigslist. Sometimes you do need to spend money to make money.
Dave
DTJ - 25 Feb 2006 23:33 GMT >It's really difficult to comprehend business, but sometimes when one >is selling a business there's a partner who has to be bought out. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >This is a large business transaction, not buying something off >Craigslist. Sometimes you do need to spend money to make money. Not what the family said during the interview, though. Plus, citizens selling businesses above board usually do so through escrow and title companies, so whether he is a terrorist or just a thief, there IS something weird about an islamic person carrying around hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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Brent P - 25 Feb 2006 23:45 GMT > Not what the family said during the interview, though. Plus, citizens > selling businesses above board usually do so through escrow and title > companies, so whether he is a terrorist or just a thief, there IS > something weird about an islamic person carrying around hundreds of > thousands of dollars. When you go to close on real estate in c(r)ook county anyway, you bring the funds you need in the form of certified funds (bank check, cashiers check, etc) to the closing at the title company. Ideally you have the exact amount or more than you need and get a check back from the title company. While I haven't bought business property, I don't see why the situation would be any different or why that wouldn't still be acceptable practice.
SD Dave - 26 Feb 2006 02:24 GMT >Not what the family said during the interview, though. Plus, citizens >selling businesses above board usually do so through escrow and title >companies, so whether he is a terrorist or just a thief, there IS >something weird about an islamic person carrying around hundreds of >thousands of dollars. So a Roman Catholic Priest carrying around a large sum of money is okay? How about a black man? Do you have different rules for Taoists, Buddhists, and Wiccans also? Are Protestants okay? What if they're Lutheran?
Obviously an Atheist would be planning to buy corpses or drugs, so it'd have to be taken away. Who did I miss... Oh, what about the Jews? The Mulattos? Jehova's Witnesses? Scientologists? Mormons? How about cults?
What about Kurdish Muslims? They're into Jesus. But then you'd need an exception for Jews for Jesus too.
Dave
Arif Khokar - 26 Feb 2006 04:46 GMT [cross posting removed]
> What about Kurdish Muslims? They're into Jesus. Seriously? That's the first time I've ever heard that.
SD Dave - 27 Feb 2006 00:09 GMT >[cross posting removed] > >> What about Kurdish Muslims? They're into Jesus. > >Seriously? That's the first time I've ever heard that. From what I was told, yes, I'm serious. I don't really understand the whole thing, I'm taking the word of a friend who's a Chaldean Kurd (his own description), and explained that he believes the world of Jesus, and also that he accepts the prophecy of Allah. Maybe he was wrong, but it sounded like he was a Muslim who accepted Jesus as a savior - how this intermingles between Christianity and Muslim faiths, I'm really uncertain though.
I'm not a theologist though, so if I'm wrong I'd appreciate being corrected.
Dave
Arif Khokar - 27 Feb 2006 00:21 GMT > From what I was told, yes, I'm serious. I don't really understand the > whole thing, I'm taking the word of a friend who's a Chaldean Kurd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > savior - how this intermingles between Christianity and Muslim faiths, > I'm really uncertain though. Well, Muslims believe that Jesus was a messenger like all other messengers from God. There's also the possibility that he is a Christian (and, AFAIK, Christians from the middle east refer to God as Allah, since that is the word for God there).
DTJ - 28 Feb 2006 01:07 GMT >>[cross posting removed] >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I'm not a theologist though, so if I'm wrong I'd appreciate being >corrected. Most likely you are confusing the belief that Jesus is their savior and the belief that Jesus was a prophet.
************************* Dave
DTJ - 26 Feb 2006 22:57 GMT >>Not what the family said during the interview, though. Plus, citizens >>selling businesses above board usually do so through escrow and title [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So a Roman Catholic Priest carrying around a large sum of money is >okay? I would have to assume he was caught with young boys, and intending to use it to buy off the church. (very bad joke I admit)
>How about a black man? Depends. Is he 16, driving a Lexus, and have no job, and live in the ghetto?
>Do you have different rules for >Taoists, Buddhists, and Wiccans also? I will as soon as they start blowing up America.
>Are Protestants okay? I hope so, otherwise I am in trouble.
>What if >they're Lutheran? That would fall under Protestant. The only major Christian, non-Catholic, religion to claim they are not Protestant is Baptists. They argue they are not protestant because they never broke from the Catholic church.
>Obviously an Atheist would be planning to buy corpses or drugs, so >it'd have to be taken away. What are you smoking? Atheists don't buy corpses, they buy lawyers.
>Who did I miss... Oh, what about the >Jews? They usually deal in diamonds.
>The Mulattos? ?
>Jehova's Witnesses? Can't say I have ever heard of them blowing up anything.
>Scientologists? I like Travolta.
>Mormons? Can't say I have ever heard of them blowing up anything.
>How about cults? Actually I would be more worried about getting hit by stray rounds from the ATF.
>What about Kurdish Muslims? They're into Jesus. But then you'd need >an exception for Jews for Jesus too. That is a slight oxymoron. Muslims are into killing Jesus.
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SD Dave - 27 Feb 2006 02:14 GMT >That is a slight oxymoron. Muslims are into killing Jesus. That was the Jews. Maybe you were confused.
And a Mulatto is someone who's half black and half white. Do they get preferential treatment to blacks? I noticed if a black kid is in a Lexus, it's a problem. What about a spoiled white son of a yuppie in a BMW? They do drugs too. Hell, they seemed to sell most of them when I was in high school.
Tim McVeigh, an American Christian, liked to kill Americans too. Oh, and he usually voted Republican. What about him? Doesn't that mean we should target Christian Republicans, and assume all of them are making bombs?
Definitely we should ban truck companies from renting trucks to those Women's Clinic Bombing Psychos, right? Since a few are that way, all white Christians must be. At least, that's what you're telling me.
Dave
~xy~ - 25 Feb 2006 04:39 GMT > Hey fuckface, the guy's family claims he had $100,000 on him because > he was selling his gas station. No, they said because he was purchasing land...
Pasted from the OP : "They said Nofal was carrying only a cashier's check for $108,000. Nofal was in town to complete the purchase of land in the southwest suburbs and a closing was scheduled for Thursday, "
DTJ - 25 Feb 2006 23:34 GMT >> Hey fuckface, the guy's family claims he had $100,000 on him because >> he was selling his gas station. > >No, they said because he was purchasing land... > >Pasted from the OP : Uh duh, and what THEY SAID DURING THE f.cking INTERVIEW ON TV is a little more reliable than what you f.cking read on Usenet. f.ck.
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~xy~ - 26 Feb 2006 04:46 GMT > Uh duh, and what THEY SAID DURING THE f.cking INTERVIEW ON TV is a > little more reliable than what you f.cking read on Usenet. f.ck. It was more than a Usenet rumour, it was a quote from the Chicago Sun-Times article. I know for a fact that all media are error riddled, yet I am more inclined to believe the print medium over TV. Here is the Sun-Times article the OP quoted: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-stevenson24.html
I don't know whether to suggest less drugs for you or more drugs for you. It is clear that whatever your current regime is, it is not working for you, not serving you well at all....
You seem to have "issues"... Or maybe you just need some time to grow up.
Who knows... Who cares...
DTJ - 26 Feb 2006 22:58 GMT >> Uh duh, and what THEY SAID DURING THE f.cking INTERVIEW ON TV is a >> little more reliable than what you f.cking read on Usenet. f.ck. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I know for a fact that all media are error riddled, yet I am more inclined >to believe the print medium over TV. Are you f.cking clueless. When the family says something in their own words, out of their own mouths, you believe the nytimes.
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~xy~ - 27 Feb 2006 00:19 GMT
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