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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / March 2006Ah yes - The joys of SLOW DRIVING
It's so much fun irritating these nutball speeders that are held back by law-abiding citizens like myself. Your speeding does not inhibit my driving style but my legal driving inhibits your's and i love to watch you loonies seething with rage. HAHAHAHAHAHA > It's so much fun irritating these nutball speeders that are held > back by law-abiding citizens like myself. Your speeding does not > inhibit my driving style but my legal driving inhibits your's and i > love to watch you loonies seething with rage. HAHAHAHAHAHA So you freely admit you drive in a manner which increases the risk of collision for everyone around you...  SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > > It's so much fun irritating these nutball speeders that are held > > back by law-abiding citizens like myself. Your speeding does not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So you freely admit you drive in a manner which increases the risk of > collision for everyone around you... I retired when I was 40. Now days, I tend to drive a few miles per hour under the speed limit. No sense in being hard on my vehicle now that I am on a "fixed income". It is also far less stressful and I enjoy the trips more. Low stress is what life should be about, anyway. I have heard that slower drivers cause accidents. I counter with the fact that each person is responsible for how they drive, and each person should have their own vehicle under control. You never know when a kid or a deer will jump out in front of you, so you should always be ready to stop anyway. I simply am not responsible for how other people drive. If they want to drive nutso fast such that any little thing out of the normal causes them to crash, then so be it. -john- Signature====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ====================================================================== > I retired when I was 40. Now days, I tend to drive a few > miles per hour under the speed limit. No sense in being > hard on my vehicle now that I am on a "fixed income". It > is also far less stressful and I enjoy the trips more. Low > stress is what life should be about, anyway. I've tried it and there is nothing less stressful about it. It is very stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. Changing lanes to make a left side split or ramp is scary as hell. Semi's pass with inches to spare and often tailgate with spaces which could be measured with child's school ruler. And I drove at the speed limit in the far right lane. 45-55mph on chicago area expressways is not for the faint hearted. > I have heard that slower drivers cause accidents. I counter > with the fact that each person is responsible for how they > drive, and each person should have their own vehicle under > control. You never know when a kid or a deer will jump out > in front of you, so you should always be ready to stop anyway. Slower speed is easily made up by the kid jumping out closer to your vehicle. Unless you want to drive sub 25mph everywhere, probably closer to 5mph everywhere this is a non-issue. > I simply am not responsible for how other people drive. If > they want to drive nutso fast such that any little thing out > of the normal causes them to crash, then so be it. Nobody here does. > It is very > stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. In my car, anything from the door posts back is history and is of no concern to me. If someone wants to tailgate, make funny faces, or do something dangerous, that is up to him or her. I am focused on avoiding what is in front of me. After all, if getting somewhere was oh so important, why don't these nutso fast people just get up a few minutes earlier every day so they can be a few minutes early for whereever they are going. -john- Signature====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ====================================================================== >> It is very stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear- >> view mirror. > Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. In my car, > anything from the door posts back is history and is of no concern > to me. Are you saying that you're not worried if some one's going to sideswipe or rear end your vehicle? I always keep an eye out for vehicles all around me, not just ahead of me. Just because a vehicle crash isn't your fault doesn't mean that you won't end up injured because of it. I'd try to avoid getting hit if possible. >>> It is very stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear- >>> view mirror. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >or rear end your vehicle? I always keep an eye out for vehicles all >around me, not just ahead of me. Actually, this explains a lot. Ever wonder why the typical LLB seems to ignore your presence when you're just trying to get by? Maybe he's completely oblivious to everything behind him like Mr. Weeks is. It would certainly explain why flashing your passing lights has no effect - the oblivious f.ck never even saw them. SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave > >Are you saying that you're not worried if some one's going to sideswipe > >or rear end your vehicle? I always keep an eye out for vehicles all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > would certainly explain why flashing your passing lights has no effect > - the oblivious f.ck never even saw them. Actually, flashing your lights will get my attention. If that happens, I will assume that there is some emergency that I am not aware of, and as a result of the emergency, I am forced to slow down until I determine what the problem is. -john- Signature====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ====================================================================== >> >Are you saying that you're not worried if some one's going to sideswipe >> >or rear end your vehicle? I always keep an eye out for vehicles all [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that I am not aware of, and as a result of the emergency, > I am forced to slow down until I determine what the problem is. May you always encounter drivers just like yourself, except slower. >> >Are you saying that you're not worried if some one's going to sideswipe >> >or rear end your vehicle? I always keep an eye out for vehicles all [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >that I am not aware of, and as a result of the emergency, >I am forced to slow down until I determine what the problem is. Begone, troll. *PLONK* SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave > >> It is very stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear- > >> view mirror. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or rear end your vehicle? I always keep an eye out for vehicles all > around me, not just ahead of me. Incompetent drivers can't comprehend the value in knowing what's around in all directions. > Just because a vehicle crash isn't your fault doesn't mean that you > won't end up injured because of it. I'd try to avoid getting hit if > possible. My heavens! It sounds like you know how to drive. :-) >> It is very >> stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. > > Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. No, I am trying to keep my a.s alive. > In my car, > anything from the door posts back is history and is of no concern > to me. You'd change your mind once one of them on a cellphone didn't notice your slow a.s and imprinted their front license plate upon it. > If someone wants to tailgate, make funny faces, or do > something dangerous, that is up to him or her. What about colliding with you? > I am focused on > avoiding what is in front of me. After all, if getting somewhere > was oh so important, why don't these nutso fast people just get up > a few minutes earlier every day so they can be a few minutes early > for whereever they are going. I suggest you ignore a semi 12" off your rear bumper and let yourself get into a situation which requires hard braking. > > If someone wants to tailgate, make funny faces, or do > > something dangerous, that is up to him or her. > > What about colliding with you? There are 2500 accidents a day in the Twin Cities area. Someone can pop over the center line or cross the median so fast that you would never know what hit you. I am not going to spend my golden years worrying about what might be or could have been. If your number comes up, there is very little you can do about it. -john- Signature====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ====================================================================== > > > If someone wants to tailgate, make funny faces, or do > > > something dangerous, that is up to him or her. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > be or could have been. If your number comes up, there is > very little you can do about it. ----- Except drive a little slower and a little more carefully to reduce your chances of being killed, if not injured. 2500 per day? That seems a tad... high... for an area of 2.7 million persons, some of whom don't drive. That's 912,500 accidents per year...or 3,650,000 every 4 years... ----- - gpsman >> > If someone wants to tailgate, make funny faces, or do >> > something dangerous, that is up to him or her. >> >> What about colliding with you? > There are 2500 accidents a day in the Twin Cities area. > Someone can pop over the center line or cross the median > so fast that you would never know what hit you. I am not > going to spend my golden years worrying about what might > be or could have been. If your number comes up, there is > very little you can do about it. But you seem willing to spend your golden years causing as much trouble for everyone around you as possible. May you always encounter drivers just like yourself, but slower. >>>If someone wants to tailgate, make funny faces, or do >>>something dangerous, that is up to him or her. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -john- That's a good point, but why deliberately increase the chance of an incident happening? nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >> > If someone wants to tailgate, make funny faces, or do >> > something dangerous, that is up to him or her. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >be or could have been. If your number comes up, there is >very little you can do about it. Fatalism and slavish adherence to the speed limits often go hand in hand. Me, I'm going to keep a lookout and do my damndest to avoid a collision, even if that means prying my eyes away from the speedometer from time to time. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >> It is very >> stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. > >Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. That is required if you want to avoid accidents. Dave Head >-john- > >> It is very > >> stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. > > > >Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. > > That is required if you want to avoid accidents. ----- Perhaps you could expand on your technique of driving cars occupied by other drivers while simultaniously driving your own...?! ----- - gpsman >> >> It is very >> >> stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Perhaps you could expand on your technique of driving cars occupied by >other drivers while simultaniously driving your own...?! What I meant was that you have to be watching what the other guy is doing and attempt to anticpate what he's going to do, and then anticipate what you can do about what he might do. We always called it, "driving the other guy's car." Things like watching cars approaching intersections to detect whether they're really going to stop for you or not, attempting to do something about tailgating, not allowing people to pace you real close to you like on your rear quarter that prevents you from swerving for something, not tailgating the other guy who may find some boneheaded reason to simply stop suddenly, attempt to "read" whether the other guy is anticipating turning (without a signal, of course) by where they're positioning themselves in the lane, stuff like that... Dave Head > ----- > >- gpsman > >> >> It is very > >> >> stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "read" whether the other guy is anticipating turning (without a signal, of > course) by where they're positioning themselves in the lane, stuff like that... ----- Well... I think you'd have to agree your desription of those activities as "driving someone else's car" would be better described as "driving your own car", wouldn't you? You surely shouldn't expect anyone else to interpret the phrase as you intended it. The problem I see with most perspectives here is that posters often seem to concentrate of the bad driving of others instead of driving their own f.cking car. I suppose the benefits are arguable... I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what other people are thinking or the ability to determine their motivation for what they do because ... it doesn't make any difference to me -why- they do what they do or what they're thinking as they do it. I think "driving my own car" is the best course of action... as you seem to think as well. Sorry for the confusion. ----- - gpsman > I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what > other people are thinking or the ability to determine their > motivation for what they do because ... it doesn't make any > difference to me -why- they do what they do or what they're > thinking as they do it. Wow, I'm speechless. How did you get your licence? >> I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what >> other people are thinking or the ability to determine their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wow, I'm speechless. How did you get your licence? He drives clueless. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > > I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what > > other people are thinking or the ability to determine their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Wow, I'm speechless. How did you get your licence? Why do you ask? Does the driving exam in Stupidsylvavia require mind reading...? ----- - gpsman > > > I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what > > > other people are thinking or the ability to determine their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Does the driving exam in Stupidsylvavia require mind reading...? Without the ability to predict what other drivers are going to do ('cause they sho' 'nuff aren't going to SIGNAL their intentions...) you won't last long around here, at least not without one of the morons wrecking into you. Out of towners think I'm a mind reader but really I'm just paying attention to subtle cues, like little head movements, position of front wheels, etc. nate nate N8N wrote: <brevity snip> > > > > I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what > > > > other people are thinking or the ability to determine their [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > won't last long around here, at least not without one of the morons > wrecking into you. If... you can predict the behavior of strangers why are you wasting that talent predicting their driving manuevers? Surely there's a better use... at least one more monetarily rewarding. ----- - gpsman > N8N wrote: <brevity snip> > > > > > I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > that talent predicting their driving manuevers? Surely there's a > better use... at least one more monetarily rewarding. I can think of no better purpose than staying alive and keeping my insurance rates merely at "extortionate" rather than "astronomical." The fact that you CAN'T do this is not surprising, given that you claim that driving the speed limit doesn't make you nervous... you're obviously not a "sensitive" driver. nate >> N8N wrote: <brevity snip> >> > > > > I just drive my own and don't presume to have any idea what [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > nate Nobody can predict what an other driver is going to do with any accuracy. However, the prudent driver will allow room to get out of the way when the other driver does the stupidest of all possible choices. One of the "skills"(?) I've learned driving large vehicles is that you cannot rely on quick reflexes, you need to plan out what you are going to do ahead of time. There is more time required to get across an intersection, longer to stop, etc. By the time you've seen the hazard become an emergency, it's too late to react. I fully expect that hazard to become an emergency, so, I leave room to do what ever maunver I will need to do. I know this part sounds vague. For example, heading back to the lot I pass this intersection where the side road comming in has a full stop. I can't see far down that street because of a building so I always hang to toward the yellow line instead of the white line as I would normally. About once a month someone doesn't stop at the stop sign and encroaches into the intersection. Yestderday someone ran past the stop sign and into the intersection. Because I had planned for it, I had a couple of extra feet to work with on my right hand side and didn't rip off his bumper and grill. This would seem obvious and a driver would do this without thinking, alas, most drivers aren't thinking about the task at hand, namely driving. I cannot predict what other drivers are going to do. I expect the worst and plan accordingly. Doug > Nobody can predict what an other driver is going to do with any accuracy. I've gotten very good at it. well over 8 of 10. There is a certain 'body language' that can be read. And most of that remaining bit I don't read, it was lingering in the back of my head that the driver would do what they did but I didn't believe my instinct. > However, the prudent driver will allow room to get out of the way when > the other driver does the stupidest of all possible choices. Then you should have no problem when a bicyclist rides further left to leave an escape route. >Nobody can predict what an other driver is going to do with any accuracy. Spoken like a piss-poor driver. After being stuck behind a Sloth driver for 3 or 4 blocks, I had absolutely no trouble predicting that he would continue to drive slowly. My prediction was correct for as long as he remained in my sight. SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave >Nobody can predict what an other driver is going to do with any accuracy. Bullshit. Any competent driver can predict what other drivers are going to do very frequently. >However, the prudent driver will allow room to get out of the way when >the other driver does the stupidest of all possible choices. One of the Bullshit. Only an idiot drives that way. If you do, you never get anywhere, because you are always avoiding "possible" accidents. ************************* Dave >>Nobody can predict what an other driver is going to do with any accuracy. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Bullshit. Only an idiot drives that way. If you do, you never get > anywhere, because you are always avoiding "possible" accidents. Well... in some ways, he's right. For instance, even if I "know" that a driver is going to turn right, unless he is signaling, I won't pull out in front of him. (even then, at least once a year or so, I end up having to accelerate quickly because the driver WASN'T turning right and didn't know his signal was on! Oh, the huge manatee!) Likewise, I simply will not RTOR when traffic coming the other direction has a left turn arrow because I simply don't trust my fellow drivers to stay in their appropriate lane. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > Nate Nagel: > Well... in some ways, he's right. For instance, even if I "know" that a > driver is going to turn right, unless he is signaling, I won't pull out > in front of him. (even then, at least once a year or so, I end up > having to accelerate quickly because the driver WASN'T turning right and > didn't know his signal was on! Oh, the huge manatee!) I do the same thing. Regardless of how sure I am that that driver is going to turn, I won't pull out into the intersection untill I see that vehicle actually commit to turning. Sure, my intuition (and/or his signals) might be right 99 times out of 100, but there is always that one time where I would end up taking it in the drivers door.... >> Nate Nagel: >> Well... in some ways, he's right. For instance, even if I "know" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > his signals) might be right 99 times out of 100, but there is always > that one time where I would end up taking it in the drivers door.... Bingo! Doug > >>Nobody can predict what an other driver is going to do with any accuracy. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > nate Happened to me just a few days ago. Idiot geezer pulled out of a senior apmt complex right in front of me. I was driving the speed limit along a section where even i think the limit is too low and the idiot no doubt assumed i was going to turn even though i was not signaling. I sat on the horn for a full second to let the idiot know what i thought. > Happened to me just a few days ago. Idiot geezer pulled out of a senior > apmt complex right in front of me. I was driving the speed limit along > a section where even i think the limit is too low and the idiot no > doubt assumed i was going to turn even though i was not signaling. I > sat on the horn for a full second to let the idiot know what i thought. When did you get your horn working? > > Happened to me just a few days ago. Idiot geezer pulled out of a senior > > apmt complex right in front of me. I was driving the speed limit along [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > When did you get your horn working? HUH???? It's always worked. >>>Nobody can predict what an other driver is going to do with any accuracy. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Bullshit. Only an idiot drives that way. If you do, you never get >> anywhere, because you are always avoiding "possible" accidents. >Well... in some ways, he's right. For instance, even if I "know" that a >driver is going to turn right, unless he is signaling, I won't pull out [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >nate In some ways, kind of like a Hitler was only a bad guy in some ways. The intent of his post is what was wrong. However, I grant that it is appropriate to drive with some eye towards protecting yourself, only this idiot was talking about harassing others in order to be able to drive how he wants. No matter how you present it, a troll is still a troll. That said, I never make a RTOR unless I know I can a) do so without getting hit, b) do so without encurring wrath-of-ignorant-cop, and c) I know that if I am incorrect about what some a.shole is doing it will not put me in danger. ************************* Dave DTJ wrote: <brevity snip> > That said, I never make a RTOR unless I know I can a) do so without > getting hit, b) do so without encurring wrath-of-ignorant-cop, and c) > I know that if I am incorrect about what some a.shole is doing it will > not put me in danger. So... your RTOR criteria omits not causing another driver to slow or change course to accomodate your stupid a.s pulling out in front of him... as long as you don't get hit or cited, that's good enough? It doesn't matter that you've delayed him and probably any cars behind, maybe one of them was trying to make the light, and won't... because everybody needs to s l o w d o w n for you? A cop would be ignorant to cite you for your driving? I wonder if you'll ever race up to a RTOR looking left and have a pedestrian step from just out of your peripheral vision and try to cross in front of you...with the ROW...? Insurance companies just -hate- that, the medical bills just never f.cking end... if you're lucky! Witnesses can come out of nowhere and dedicate their schedules to being available to provide statements to the police and the plaintiff's attorney/s, giving depositions, affidavits, reconstructions. People just seem to get a sense of doing something good for the world by helping some poor bastard that's been run down in a crosswalk... You -do- have $1M BI, don't you...? ----- - gpsman > Dave Head: > What I meant was that you have to be watching what the other guy is doing and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "read" whether the other guy is anticipating turning (without a signal, of > course) by where they're positioning themselves in the lane, stuff like that... I refer to that as "defensive driving." A concept well beyond the grasp of the neo-fascist nanny-state government cheerleaders' hardwired to do the government's bidding little brains. >> What I meant was that you have to be watching what the other guy is doing and >> attempt to anticpate what he's going to do, and then anticipate what you can do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >of the neo-fascist nanny-state government cheerleaders' hardwired to do >the government's bidding little brains. Leave it to the Sloths to characterize a primary safety skill as something bad. I suppose "aim high in steering" is considered to be "nosy" in the Sloth culture? That's why they keep their eyes cast down at the pavement 10 feet in front of their cars? SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave > Scott en Aztlán: > Leave it to the Sloths to characterize a primary safety skill as > something bad. According to the sloth mantra, only sloth is good. Its even better when the nanny-state set underposted speedlimits appear to verify their delusions. > I suppose "aim high in steering" is considered to be "nosy" in the > Sloth culture? That's why they keep their eyes cast down at the > pavement 10 feet in front of their cars? I'm sure that if I were behind one and he dared to look in his rear view mirrors, he'd be thinking or even saying aloud (directed at me): "What are you looking at?" >> It is very >>stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -john- That's a really poor way to drive, but a really good way to get into a wreck. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>> It is very >>>stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >That's a really poor way to drive, but a really good way to get into a >wreck. And a really REALLY good way to troll. ;) SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave > Scott en Aztlán: > And a really REALLY good way to troll. ;) Loco Laura did a really good troll this week, didn't it? >> Scott en Aztlán: >> And a really REALLY good way to troll. ;) > >Loco Laura did a really good troll this week, didn't it? Yeah, but he's got some really good competition nipping at his heels. That John Weeks III is definitely an up-and-comer... SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave <misc.transport.road removed> > Scott en Aztlán: > Yeah, but he's got some really good competition nipping at his heels. > That John Weeks III is definitely an up-and-comer... Ever notice lately, that some of these new people seem to have a similar posting pattern - that being that they are trying to be as disagreeable with some of us as possible. Mr. Weeks and a couple of other "John's," come to mind. Think that maybe aunt judy and/or Carl have been putting on socks in a vain attempt to get around killfiles? >Ever notice lately, that some of these new people seem to have a similar >posting pattern - that being that they are trying to be as disagreeable >with some of us as possible. Mr. Weeks and a couple of other "John's," >come to mind. Think that maybe aunt judy and/or Carl have been putting >on socks in a vain attempt to get around killfiles? While Aunt Judy is a confirmed nymshifter, his style has not been known to change. Indeed, that's usually how the nymshifts are detected. Carl Troller could easily be behind one of these new nyms, however. SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave > >Ever notice lately, that some of these new people seem to have a similar > >posting pattern - that being that they are trying to be as disagreeable [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > What the heck, I'll play too. > - Dave I've been wondering the same thing for awhile now. Harry K > >Ever notice lately, that some of these new people seem to have a similar > >posting pattern - that being that they are trying to be as disagreeable [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Carl Troller could easily be behind one of these new nyms, however. Who is aunt judy? I can't find a record of any such poster. > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend: > Who is aunt judy? I can't find a record of any such poster. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Scott en Aztlán: > While Aunt Judy is a confirmed nymshifter, his style has not been > known to change. Indeed, that's usually how the nymshifts are > detected. True. Aunt judy is a bit more in your face and occasionally good for a laugh or two... > Carl Troller could easily be behind one of these new nyms, however. Didn't think of it before, but maybe the weisner troll might also be behind some of these socks? >> Scott en Aztlán: >> While Aunt Judy is a confirmed nymshifter, his style has not been [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Didn't think of it before, but maybe the weisner troll might also be >behind some of these socks? I've actually been wondering if one of the regulars is behind one of the Lauras. "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" is usually a lot more entertaining than "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE". Though they're similar in style, it seems that LBVH is a more angry with themself for being a pedophile troll, as opposed to LBMHBF's nearly-sarcastic (and always comical) trolling attempts. It would also explain why it seems to forget its own postings so often. Maybe I'm wrong and they're one and the same, some type of comical pederast, maybe even a part time clown. In that case Mr Judy is just a f.cking hypocrite. Dave --- http://www.davidphogan.com/sdroads Amature a.s(phalt) and more! > SD Dave: > I've actually been wondering if one of the regulars is behind one of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > nearly-sarcastic (and always comical) trolling attempts. It would > also explain why it seems to forget its own postings so often. That's a definite possibility. For the hell of it, I checked headers* from both. lb-VH posts via earthlink (abuse@earthlink.net) and LBMHB uses google groups (groups-abuse@google.com for what good it would do), but that they both ECP their spew to unrelated newsgroups and have the same stupid attitude. > Maybe I'm wrong and they're one and the same, some type of comical > pederast, maybe even a part time clown. My belief is that they are one and the same. > In that case Mr Judy is just a f.cking hypocrite. That goes without saying.... * headers for the two specimens in question > Headers for specimen lbVH Path: bigbe1.bellsouth.net!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net! news.bellsouth.net!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas! newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net! stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED! c1f7df77!not-for-mail From: laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <xeton2001@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,alt.law- enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,rec.autos.sport.nascar Subject: Some good news - Sicko auto racer Paul Dana killed at track Message-ID: <m5he229g9kpg5phofja8vddd3puhdle6bn@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:55:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.228.15.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1143424528 4.228.15.252 (Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:55:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:55:28 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: bigfeed.bellsouth.net rec.autos.driving:722514 alt.law- enforcement.traffic:188714 talk.politics.misc:2931339 rec.autos.sport.nascar:917128 > Headers for specimen LBMHB: Path: bigbe2.bellsouth.net!bigfeed.bellsouth.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net! news.bellsouth.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com! t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,alt.law- enforcement.traffic,talk.politics.misc,rec.autos.sport.nascar Subject: Re: Some good news - Sicko auto racer Paul Dana killed at track Date: 26 Mar 2006 19:00:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <1143428434.848734.21220@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <m5he229g9kpg5phofja8vddd3puhdle6bn@4ax.com> <e07he3011v4 @news4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.228.15.252 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1143428440 22975 127.0.0.1 (27 Mar 2006 03:00:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:00:40 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <e07he3011v4@news4.newsguy.com> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=4.228.15.252; posting-account=rnj4tg0AAADuY_Dm28Cg2e-A8W1_bHdr Xref: bigfeed.bellsouth.net rec.autos.driving:722535 alt.law- enforcement.traffic:188720 talk.politics.misc:2931393 rec.autos.sport.nascar:917150 >> Maybe I'm wrong and they're one and the same, some type of comical >> pederast, maybe even a part time clown. > >My belief is that they are one and the same. The proof is in the headers. >From: laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <xeton2001@yahoo.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.228.15.252 >From: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.228.15.252 4.228.15.252 = [ dialup-4.228.15.252.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net ] SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave >>> Maybe I'm wrong and they're one and the same, some type of comical >>> pederast, maybe even a part time clown. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >4.228.15.252 = [ dialup-4.228.15.252.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net ] You're certain that couldn't be a proxy? Dave --- http://www.davidphogan.com/sdroads Amature a.s(phalt) and more! >>>> Maybe I'm wrong and they're one and the same, some type of comical >>>> pederast, maybe even a part time clown. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You're certain that couldn't be a proxy? Not unless Level3 and/or Earthlink has some serious security leak. Judy's IP does change, but recently it has always been in Earthlink's Denver dialup IP pool. Even with the previous ISPs, he'll always turn up in the same pool of IPs. Which reminds me, he hasn't been kicked off his current ISP in quite a while (unless he's signing up under a different credit card each time)... Remember Codenet.net? It looks like they went out of business sometime between then and now, but not before dropping Judy like a hot stone. Why Judy uses Free Agent and one nym for the initial post and Google with a different nym for all the follow ups is anybody's guess. Perhaps he isn't smart enough to figure out Agent's "Reply" button? Signature~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) > Garth Almgren: > Which reminds me, he hasn't been kicked off his current ISP in quite a > while (unless he's signing up under a different credit card each > time)... Could be, given the way that credit card companies and banks give out credit cards like candy samples (but that's a discussion for another ng)... > Remember Codenet.net? It looks like they went out of business > sometime between then and now, but not before dropping Judy like a hot > stone. But by then, judy had done his damage to codenet's reputation. FWIW, I tried codenet.net in my browser, got the http 404 error, google search for codenet turned up little (see: http://tinyurl.com/k29ba). > Why Judy uses Free Agent and one nym for the initial post and Google > with a different nym for all the follow ups is anybody's guess. Perhaps > he isn't smart enough to figure out Agent's "Reply" button? That judy's smart enough to use Agent at all (even to do the initial troll) amazes me sone days... > Why Judy uses Free Agent and one nym for the initial post and Google > with a different nym for all the follow ups is anybody's guess. Perhaps > he isn't smart enough to figure out Agent's "Reply" button? HAHAHAHA. If you can't figure that out then you really are super-stupid. HAHAHA Laura Bush murdered her boy friend sez this stupidity: > HAHAHAHA. If you can't figure that out then you really are > super-stupid. HAHAHA ¿¿¿¿¿Then why don't you poast a reply using Agent, super-stupid????? >Laura Bush murdered her boy friend sez this stupidity: > >> HAHAHAHA. If you can't figure that out then you really are >> super-stupid. HAHAHA > >¿¿¿¿¿Then why don't you poast a reply using Agent, super-stupid????? Because, that's why. HAHAHA > >Laura Bush murdered her boy friend sez this stupidity: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Because, that's why. HAHAHA Ooh, witty response! Nice to see you can't answer *any* questions. :-) laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE sez the following on command: > >Laura Bush murdered her boy friend sez this stupidity: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Because, that's why. HAHAHA Loco Laura: you are OWN3D!!!!!!!!!!!!! Selected headers from my slave's last poast: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 12 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:06:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.228.153.227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1143601562 4.228.153.227 (Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:06:02 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:06:02 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net > > Why Judy uses Free Agent and one nym for the initial post and Google > > with a different nym for all the follow ups is anybody's guess. Perhaps > > he isn't smart enough to figure out Agent's "Reply" button? > > HAHAHAHA. If you can't figure that out then you really are > super-stupid. HAHAHA We know; it's because you're too stupid to figure out how to follow threads in Agent. Around 3/28/2006 6:44 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: >> Why Judy uses Free Agent and one nym for the initial post and Google >> with a different nym for all the follow ups is anybody's guess. Perhaps >> he isn't smart enough to figure out Agent's "Reply" button? > > HAHAHAHA. If you can't figure that out then you really are > super-stupid. HAHAHA I simply can't devise a rational reason to start a thread with one good newsreader and reply with another crappy one. But then, perhaps expecting rationality from a known nym-shifter and troll like you is a little much? Er, yeah, never mind. Google sucks your mother's balls as a newsreader; Agent (even Free Agent) is so vastly better that I'm standing by my original assessment: You're simply too stupid to figure out how to reply to your own threads with Agent. Signature~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Ventis secundis, tene cursum.) >Around 3/28/2006 6:44 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) ><http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >You're simply too stupid to figure out how to reply to your own threads >with Agent. Yeah - that must be it. HAHAHA Around 3/28/2006 7:16 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: >> Google sucks your mother's balls as a newsreader; Agent (even Free >> Agent) is so vastly better that I'm standing by my original assessment: >> You're simply too stupid to figure out how to reply to your own threads >> with Agent. > > Yeah - that must be it. HAHAHA Now try it again, this time without the help of your bath-house buddies... Signature~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Ventis secundis, tene cursum.) >Around 3/28/2006 7:16 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) ><http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Now try it again, this time without the help of your bath-house buddies... You're the homo, not me. I never voted republican in my life. Around 3/28/2006 7:29 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: >> Around 3/28/2006 7:16 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) >> <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You're the homo, not me. Hey, you're the one bragging about bath houses and your tiny dick. In all seriousness, Judy, do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? > I never voted republican in my life. Let me guess: That's only because you've never voted in your life, right? Signature~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Ventis secundis, tene cursum.) > Around 3/28/2006 7:29 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) > > I never voted republican in my life. > > Let me guess: That's only because you've never voted in your life, right? I didn't think felons were allowed to vote. Wouldn't matter even if they did; Judy's way too stupid to operate a voting machine or ballot. Hey, I think I just figured out why Judy's never voted. :)) > >Around 3/28/2006 7:16 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) > ><http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You're the homo, not me. I never voted republican in my life. ROTFLMAO! Again you lie; you're the one who bragged about your respect in the bath houses, faggot. Or do I need to post a link to remind your retarded punk half-jew a.s? >> >Around 3/28/2006 7:16 PM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) >> ><http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >in the bath houses, faggot. Or do I need to post a link to remind your >retarded punk half-jew a.s? Pederast Clown, or Split Carl & Judy personalities trying to seem like one? You decide. Dave --- http://www.davidphogan.com/sdroads Amature a.s(phalt) and more! > SD Dave: > Pederast Clown, or Split Carl & Judy personalities trying to seem like > one? Neither. The dwpj65@spamgourmet.com sockpuppet group is one of the good guys... >> SD Dave: >> Pederast Clown, or Split Carl & Judy personalities trying to seem like >> one? > >Neither. The dwpj65@spamgourmet.com sockpuppet group is one of the good >guys... I know, I was asking his opinion of Judy. ;) Dave --- http://www.davidphogan.com/sdroads Amature a.s(phalt) and more! > SD Dave: > I know, I was asking his opinion of Judy. ;) My bad. I shouldn't post so early in the day... ;-P >>>From: laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <xeton2001@yahoo.com> >>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.228.15.252 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >You're certain that couldn't be a proxy? I'm not certain of anything. As a matter of fact, I seem to recall that there was at least one post from Aunt Judy a couple of years back that came from an NNTP-Posting-Host somewhere in South America(!!!) SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave >>>>From: laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <xeton2001@yahoo.com> >>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.228.15.252 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >from Aunt Judy a couple of years back that came from an >NNTP-Posting-Host somewhere in South America(!!!) Firstly: I find Mr Laura to be a lighthearted joke on this newsgroup usually, but sometimes an annoying waste of my time. Nobody takes It seriously except n00bs, so I could really care less other than for entertainment & a way to see what DailyRotten [1], ObscureStore [2], and Fark [3] have posted today that's slightly driving related. Really though, I've seen NJ, Den, and non-US IPs linked to its posts. I almost wonder if multiple people have a login and password to troll us, and share it? EarthLink is notoriously crappy in it's attempts to protect the Internet from its' users. Other than senile dementia or Clownus Pederastus it seems like the most probable excuse. Dave (see also:) [1] = http://www.dailyrotten.com [2] = http://obscurestore.typepad.com/ [3] = http://www.fark.com --- http://www.davidphogan.com/sdroads Amature a.s(phalt) and more! > Scott en Aztlán: > I'm not certain of anything. > > As a matter of fact, I seem to recall that there was at least one post > from Aunt Judy a couple of years back that came from an > NNTP-Posting-Host somewhere in South America(!!!) Hell, anyone can spoof, Scott... ;-P >> Scott en Aztlán: >> I'm not certain of anything. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Hell, anyone can spoof, Scott... ;-P And many have. ;) However, you can't spoof your NNTP-Posting-Host unless you have special access to the news server (and know how to write C code). As clever as Judy is, I doubt he could pull THAT off. SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave > > Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. In my car, > > anything from the door posts back is history and is of no concern [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > a few minutes earlier every day so they can be a few minutes early > > for whereever they are going. > That's a really poor way to drive, but a really good way to get into a > wreck. I drive about 40,000 a year on my own vehicle, plus about 10K on the cycle, and 10K on rental cars. I have driven about 1,000,000 miles in my life so far. In that time, I have had: 1 serious accident - drunk crossed the median & hit me head on, 2 fender benders - drunk rear ended me at a stop sign, drunk side-swiped me in a snowstorm, 2 non-moving - car backed into me in a parking lot, I hit a k-block at the casino, 3 car-deer, 2 windshields While you cannot draw a statistical conclusion from one sample, my own experience does not show that my driving methods gets me into wrecks. What I do see is that if you drive enough, and at the right times of the day, other people's drinking does have an impact. The best way to avoid a wreck is for people to stop drinking and driving. The 2nd best way is to avoid driving when drunks are most likely to be on the road. -john- Signature====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ====================================================================== John A. Weeks III said this: <loads of snip> > The best way to avoid a wreck is for people to stop drinking > and driving. The 2nd best way is to avoid driving when drunks > are most likely to be on the road. Wrong. The best way to avoid an accident is to get off the road, period. The second best way to avoid accidents is to stay off the road. You, on the other hand seem content to drive in a dangerous manner by obstructing traffic and someday some innocent party is going to pay for your actions. And as demonstrated by the numbers you yourself provided, driving slow does nothing to prevent accidents. > > It is very > > stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com > ====================================================================== Driving a car well involves a little thing called situational awareness and that includes the area to both sids and BEHIND your car. A good driver will be able to tell what is behind him, how far back, is it gaining, maintaining spacing, etc without looking in the mirror first. The mirror should be checked often to maintain that knowledge. Driving slower than the "flow" causes turbulence in the traffic and is one of the causes of accidents the same way driving faster than the flow does. Harry K >> It is very >> stressful and requires a constant eye on the rear-view mirror. > >Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. In my car, >anything from the door posts back is history and is of no concern >to me. Even if it's a semi bearing down on you at 62 MPH, aimed straight for your back bumper? You would undoubtedly score very poorly on the driving task shown in this video: http://www.zippyvideos.com/7271043564169036/hold_phone/ SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:14:59 -0600, "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> spewed forth the same bullshit that other trolls in this newsgroup say, that is, of course, nothing of any value: Plonk. ************************* Dave > On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:14:59 -0600, "John A. Weeks III" > <john@johnweeks.com> spewed forth the same bullshit that other trolls > in this newsgroup say, that is, of course, nothing of any value: > > Plonk. ----- Congratulations on your plonk John. The dimwits here use it to signify their submission to your argument... whatever DTJ found that to be. The poor bastard didn't even have the guts to reference it. I guess only the strong survive. RIP DTJ. I enjoyed your raving rationalizations while they lasted. ----- - gpsman > gpsman: > Congratu <nothing of importance snipped> > sted. Go back to germany, government cheerleader. > John A. Weeks III: > Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. In my car, > anything from the door posts back is history and is of no concern > to me. <sarcasm> Oh, yeah. That's a really *good* attitude to take on teh road </sarcasm><roll eyes> And when that car just off your door and behind your b-pillar gives you the pit maneuver then it will just be "history," that sends you to the hospital... ...and I hope the ambulance you are riding in gets stuck behind someone with the same attitude as you. >> John A. Weeks III: >> Again, you are trying to drive someone else's car. In my car, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the pit maneuver then it will just be "history," that sends you to the >hospital... ... and then John himself will become history. ;) SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave >> So you freely admit you drive in a manner which increases the risk of >> collision for everyone around you... > >I retired when I was 40. Now days, I tend to drive a few >miles per hour under the speed limit. No sense in being >hard on my vehicle now that I am on a "fixed income". Your vehicle was designed to operate at speeds well above the posted speed limit. You aren't being any "easier" on it by being a Sloth. >It is also far less stressful and I enjoy the trips more. At the cost of increasing the stress level and decreasing the enjoyment of everyone around you. How selfish of you. SignatureWhat the heck, I'll play too. - Dave > I have heard that slower drivers cause accidents. I counter > with the fact that each person is responsible for how they > drive, and each person should have their own vehicle under > control. If you believe that, then you ought to support abolition of drink-drive and speeding laws. There should only be consequences for people who do actually cause a crash. Someone who speeds but does not crash, obviously does have their vehicle under control. Old Wolf wrote: <brevity snip> > > I have heard that slower drivers cause accidents. I counter > > with the fact that each person is responsible for how they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > drink-drive and speeding laws. There should only be > consequences for people who do actually cause a crash. Duh. Wouldn't he also have to support the abolition of laws prohibiting discharging firearms in urban areas. As long as no damage occurs I can fire a weapon anywhere I please? Of course not, it's the potential for injury that important... before injury can occur. Your poorly extrapolated "logic" considers any behavior permissable as long as no crash occurs and is thus irrelevant, not to mention extremely stupid. But I had to mention it. As velocity increases the margin of error decreases. Most drivers are without the skill and knowledge required for higher velocity travel. Just about the most telling sign of a lack of that skill and knowledge is overconfidence. Combine that overconfidence with the assumption that all drivers with which we -*share*- the road are blessed with identical skills... and you have a genuine idiot on your hands. > Someone who speeds but does not crash, obviously does > have their vehicle under control. Duh. If their vehicle is "under control" it wouldn't be traveling in excess of the speed limit. Your definition of "under control" is "not crashing"? No qualification that all the wheels must remain in contact the pavement? No qualification that the driver shouldn't weave from ditch to ditch? As long as a crash fails to occur, the driver is "under control"? That's fuckin' IT?! Duh... du-du-du duh. ----- - gpsman |
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