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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / April 2006Ohio set to pass zero tolerance 'drugged driving' law
Good idea but we need zero tolerance for drunk drivers too. Stop coddling all these killers. http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Ohio_passes_drugged_driving_law_033... Ron Brynaert Published: Friday March 31, 2006 After approval by the State Senate and House, a bill that bans "drugged driving" is set to become law in Ohio, RAW STORY has found. Activists groups that focus on the decriminalization of marijuana are outraged that the almost-certain-to-become law will also target individuals found with trace amounts of tetra-hydro cannabinol or THC - the active ingredient in the drug - still in their system, even if they weren't "drugged" at the time. Marijuana can remain in a user's system for up to weeks afterward. According to the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Law (NORML), Ohio will soon be joining Nevada and Indiana as "zero tolerance" states that handout DUIDs (driving under the influence of drugs) to motorists for detectable trace amounts of THC. Wisconsin, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Iowa are among the states that exclude cannabis metabolites from their state DUID laws. Ohio's SB 8 prohibits "the operation of a vehicle or vessel if a statutorily specified concentration of amphetamine, cocaine, cocaine metabolite, heroin, heroin metabolite (morphine), heroin metabolite (6-monoacetyl morphine), L.S.D., marihuana, marihuana metabolite, methamphetamine, or phencyclidine is present in the operator's blood or urine, subject to certain exceptions and to extend the time within which a chemical test of an arrested person's whole blood, blood serum or plasma, breath, or urine must be taken in order for the results of the test to be admissible as evidence." The Ohio Senate passed the House amendment by a vote of 30 to we need zero tolerance for traffic pigs too, start killing these useless piles of sh.t of society the only good traffic cop is a dead traffic cop kill all cops How can you tell if someone is a 'drugged' driver? In fact, has there EVER been a case that can be attributed to 'drugged' driving? After looking through a BUNCH of websites a while ago when someone brought this subject up on another forum I go to, I could not find ONE case where someone was in a crash, that was attributable solely to 'drugged' driving. Either the person was also drunk, or they had narcolepsy, and just fell asleep at the wheel. You shouldn't drive after taking sleeping medicine, illegal drugs or pain medicine, true, it slows your reflexes, but ONLY as much as having only 7 hours of sleep a night. It's a VERY small difference. LSD can make you hallucinate, and that is a good reason why you shouldn't take it and drive, but all those other drugs..... they don't make very much difference. > How can you tell if someone is a 'drugged' driver? In fact, has there > EVER been a case that can be attributed to 'drugged' driving? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shouldn't take it and drive, but all those other drugs..... they don't > make very much difference. Savant, you are an idiot. Driving under the influence of drugs can be just as dangerous as driving while drunk. You either have no experience with drugs or you are just talking out of your a.s. Probably the latter. Trust me, there have been many times that I should not have been driving because I was wasted on too much morphine or been awake too long smoking crack. Those are just a few examples. I would have been better off drinking six beers and driving instead (although I definitely do not condone that, I am just speaking on how impaired I was at the time). I don't do drugs or drink and drive anymore. I just want you to realize that it can be a serious problem. That being said, it really is difficult to know if a person is still under the influence of a drug when they have been stopped for a traffic violation. That's one of the reasons the police do field sobriety tests, although those are not always accurate. It is best for the officer to be a trained drug recognition expert, although it really doesn't matter because police do lie. The field sobriety tests do give the officer an idea of how aware you are of your surroundings during the test. I have been taken to the police station for failing a field sobriety test and I passed the breathalyzer and urine test. Urine can detect many drugs long after the user is not under the influence, so I really do not think that should be an acceptable forms of a chemical test. Blood would be a much more accurate test, especially in regard to testing for marijuana because it only detects up to 72 hours.. It is mostly up to the discretion of the arresting officer. If the officer is on a power trip, then technically many people could lose their license for driving under the influence of drugs just because they tested positve for a drug they may have taken many days before the violation. BTW this is my first post in a.t-c, I've been lurking for years. So I already knew Savant (aka Thinker) was an idiot. I also expect Judy to flame me because I'm an admitted drunk driver. Not a good first impression, huh? -Hrewh Jhjkhjkh >BTW this is my first post in a.t-c, I've been lurking for years. So I >already knew Savant (aka Thinker) was an idiot. I also expect Judy to >flame me because I'm an admitted drunk driver. Not a good first >impression, huh? That's OK. We already know what a friggin idiot Judy is anyway. She confirms this every time she posts. > > How can you tell if someone is a 'drugged' driver? In fact, has there > > EVER been a case that can be attributed to 'drugged' driving? [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > -Hrewh Jhjkhjkh Do you have a medical study that was done that proved this? Because I have looked and I cannot find ONE study that says that is the case, the only one I could find that was done by the California State Police, said that there was NO discernable difference at the usual doses of painkillers, illegal drugs, and sleeping medicines. Second, did you EVER get into an accident while you were high on drugs? If not, I don't know how you can say that you were impaired, since many STONE-SOBER people get into accidents all the time. Third, I do not have the experience to talk about with illegal drugs, I have never tried them and I haven't even ever had a drink of alcohol since I was 13, because even after just eating a FOOD that uses a form of alcohol in it, I get soused and I know it. Fourth, you made my other point for me! It would be too easy for someone to lose their license based on the fact that a cop decided he wanted to be nasty to a 'nigger' or someone else that he hated. Fifth, field sobriety tests do NOTHING, if the person has a documented neuro-muscular disability like myself. I have a VERY hard time walking a straight line when I walk slowly and some people have said "I sway like I am drunk on bathtub vodka", which isn't too far from the truth. Sixth, I don't think that it is as serious a problem as people have been saying it is. They recently did a Myth-Buster's-like show on TLC about whether people who take painkillers are more likely to crash a car. They found out that painkillers made them no more or less likely to have an accident, EXCEPT at extremely high doses where the people were swaying on their feet and almost couldn't walk straight lines. Seventh, speaking as a guy with two medical laboratory techs as parents, who do drug tests, blood doesn't do SQUAT. Most drugs do NOT leave any trace in blood, there are only a VERY few that do, and they are mainly cardiac and hypertension drugs, that are SUPPOSED to be in the bloodstream. > How can you tell if someone is a 'drugged' driver? In fact, has there > EVER been a case that can be attributed to 'drugged' driving? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 'drugged' driving. Either the person was also drunk, or they had > narcolepsy, and just fell asleep at the wheel. Whaddya mean "just fell asleep at the wheel"? Are you one of these nuts who think it's OK to fall asleep while driving and murder some innocent person.??? > > How can you tell if someone is a 'drugged' driver? In fact, has there > > EVER been a case that can be attributed to 'drugged' driving? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > who think it's OK to fall asleep while driving and murder some innocent > person.??? Maybe he's one of those individuals who understand the definition of the word "murder." But then again, it's difficult to expect a retard who posts april fool's jokes as fact to understand. By the way, did you ever figure out what "April Fool's" means, moron? >> How can you tell if someone is a 'drugged' driver? In fact, has there >> EVER been a case that can be attributed to 'drugged' driving? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >who think it's OK to fall asleep while driving and murder some innocent >person.??? So then you APPROVE of 'drugged driving' - so long as the drugs are amphetamines. > Whaddya mean "just fell asleep at the wheel"? Are you one of these nuts > who think it's OK to fall asleep while driving and murder some innocent > person.??? Okay, I am now going to use foul language, so people with sensitive eyes, turn away. Now, lets get down to f.cking brass tacks here! If you fall asleep at the wheel because you have narcolepsy, or some other problem, it is NOT murder if you kill some person. It is an ACCIDENT, unless you knew you were narcoleptic, and didn't get any treatment for that condition. I have fallen asleep at the wheel once or twice while I was going to college, and one time nearly rear-ended a school bus, scaring myself and my passenger shitless. Would I have been a murderer if someone had gotten killed or I had gotten into an accident and killed someone? No, because I appeared to myself and my friend to be perfectly fine before getting into the car, and I didn't know that I was impaired. With drunk drivers, the thing is they KNOW they are impaired, and there is medical science to prove that! With 'drugged' drivers, there is NO medical science yet and therefore they should back off until there IS some. Those warnings that they put on sleep medicine and painkillers in order to tell you not to drive while taking them, the only reason they threw them on there was because they noticed that in SOME people they could make you sleepy suddenly without you even realizing it, and they KNEW that driving while asleep was a bad thing. They never did ANY studies to see whether peope who DIDN'T have that sudden sleep-inducing reaction to the drugs, were impaired or not. That is coming straight from a doctor at JHH in Baltimore, who specializes in treating sleep-medicine addiction and other forms of addiction. It probably does slow your reflexes a little to take painkillers and then drive, but most likely no more than just being generally tired after a long day of work or school. > Good idea but we need zero tolerance for drunk drivers too. Stop > coddling all these killers. Guess you won't be driving through Ohio any time soon. :-) We'll stop as soon as you stop coddling Mary Jo's murderer. |
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