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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / April 2006

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Need info on '99 TDI with low power!

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afairweather@gmail.com - 05 Apr 2006 06:29 GMT
I just bougt a '99 Jetta TDI for a very good price, only has 87k miles
on it.  BUT, it is very underpowered on acceleration, street or
freeway.  I can get to 70 mph on the freeway, but it definitely is not
accelerating right.  Nothing else seems wrong when driving, just the
acceleration.

I suppose it could be related to the injectors, or the turbo, or maybe
just a fuel filter that the gal never changed.  Does anyone have any
suggestions on what a likely explanation of this problem would be?

thanks
Arif Khokar - 05 Apr 2006 06:54 GMT
> Does anyone have any
> suggestions on what a likely explanation of this problem would be?

You'll probably get more answers by posting this on rec.autos.tech instead.
Mike T. - 05 Apr 2006 13:28 GMT
>I just bougt a '99 Jetta TDI for a very good price, only has 87k miles
> on it.  BUT, it is very underpowered on acceleration, street or
> freeway.  I can get to 70 mph on the freeway, but it definitely is not
> accelerating right.  Nothing else seems wrong when driving, just the
> acceleration.

Diesels have piss-poor acceleration.  That is like their only problem.
Certain car manufacturers try to compensate somewhat by turbo-charging.  But
I suspect your Jetta is working just fine, if you've never driven a diesel
before.  -Dave
223rem - 05 Apr 2006 17:01 GMT
Diesels have piss-poor acceleration.  That is like their only problem.
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I thought the TDI had plenty of torque. That would translate in
strong acceleration. And besides, a well-functioning TDI should
definitely be able to exceed 70 mph.
Mike T. - 05 Apr 2006 18:47 GMT
> I thought the TDI had plenty of torque. That would translate in
> strong acceleration. And besides, a well-functioning TDI should
> definitely be able to exceed 70 mph.

Torque can definitely help acceleration.  The problem is, VW Jettas are
terribly under-powered to begin with, so the extra torque just brings them
up to a level that is SLIGHTLY under-powered.  The way I read the OP, the
vehicle probably wouldn't stop accelerating at 70MPH.  I read it as, the OP
usually drives 70, and the car will hit that OK.

I'd have to test-drive it to see for myself, but I'd probably find that the
OP's Jetta is behaving exactly as I would expect it to behave.  It is not
exactly a sports car.  The 5-speed I drove (brand new) was so lacking in
acceleration that I didn't drive it for very long, as I thought it was
dangerously under-powered.  I've driven cars with smaller engines that would
blow the doors right off of a Jetta.   -Dave
N8N - 07 Apr 2006 00:32 GMT
> >I just bougt a '99 Jetta TDI for a very good price, only has 87k miles
> > on it.  BUT, it is very underpowered on acceleration, street or
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I suspect your Jetta is working just fine, if you've never driven a diesel
> before.  -Dave

definitely not.  A TDI is a badass little car, not a whole lot of HP
but it should have hand-of-God torque.  Everyone I know that's driven a
TDI has raved about it.  There's something wrong with the OP's car.

nate
Scott en Aztlán - 07 Apr 2006 02:30 GMT
>> Diesels have piss-poor acceleration.  That is like their only problem.
>> Certain car manufacturers try to compensate somewhat by turbo-charging.  But
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>but it should have hand-of-God torque.  Everyone I know that's driven a
>TDI has raved about it.  There's something wrong with the OP's car.

We won't know that until the OP performs the acceleration tests. Is
the car within manufacturer's specs or isn't it?

Just because he has unrealistic expectations doesn't mean there's
anything wrong with his car.
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Scott en Aztlán - 05 Apr 2006 15:36 GMT
>I just bougt a '99 Jetta TDI for a very good price, only has 87k miles
>on it.  BUT, it is very underpowered on acceleration, street or
>freeway. Does anyone have any
>suggestions on what a likely explanation of this problem would be?

What makes you think there's a problem? What is the manufacturer's
specification for 0-60 acceleration time? What is the actual time you
observe?

The Jetta is not a muscle car. Maybe you're just expecting too much
from it.
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Ad absurdum per aspera - 05 Apr 2006 18:21 GMT
Well, yeah, if you race kids in Camaros for pink slips your only hope
is that they can't see you in their mirrors anymore by the time they're
ready to collect.  But if it can't make 70 on the highway, something's
wrong.  There could be a number of causes, including

* Slipping automatic transmission or clutch (regarding acceleration in
manual-transmission models, note that everybody says these things ought
to be upshifted earlier than you'd expect from experience with small
gassers)

* Engine controls

* Injection pump or other fuel-system components

* Being just flat wore out. Not my bet, given the robust little engine,
but there are people whose driving and maintenance habits could wear
out the crust of the earth and expose the outer mantle in eight years
and 90,000 miles.

Time to consult the factory repair manual and/or refer it to a mechanic
who knows these cars.

BTW, it's a bit late to hear it now, but you may find out why you got
it for "a very good price" -- it could be some little thing or some
semi-big thing (though it'd have to be as big as a semi to rival the
depreciation, insurance, etc., let alone the whole price, on a new
car).  This is also why one is well advised to consult a trusted
mechanic with no vested interest in the deal before buying a car.
You're paying not only for expertise but for objectivity, since by that
stage you more or less by definition want the car.

Best of luck,
--Joe
Ed Pirrero - 05 Apr 2006 18:17 GMT
> I just bougt a '99 Jetta TDI for a very good price, only has 87k miles
> on it.  BUT, it is very underpowered on acceleration, street or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> just a fuel filter that the gal never changed.  Does anyone have any
> suggestions on what a likely explanation of this problem would be?

Malfunctioning MAF.

Take it to an independent shop that specializes in German vehicles (do
NOT take it to the stealership.)

The car should accelerate fairly smartly at low RPM until you get to
about 2500-3000, and then not accelerate well after that.  You should
be able to do 100+mph with no problem.

A faulty MAF means that the turbo wastegate is dumping boost and that
you're only getting normally-aspirated kinds of HP and torque. And a
1.9L diesel is gonna make about 50 HP, normally-aspirated.

Good luck,

E.P.
John S. - 05 Apr 2006 19:06 GMT
> I just bougt a '99 Jetta TDI for a very good price, only has 87k miles
> on it.  BUT, it is very underpowered on acceleration, street or
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> thanks

You should get reasonable acceleration from a TDI, but it is not a tire
burner.  And the response is going to feel sluggish compared to a
gasoline engine car.  That said if you are getting poor acceleration
you might suspect a bad turbocharger.  If the previous owner was not
meticiulous about having frequent oil changes then the turbo bearings
may be shot and the turbo is barely running if at all.
spinfire - 07 Apr 2006 00:08 GMT
Funny, I find one can burn rubber just fine in a stock TDI.

The the original posters, your MAF is malfunctioning or intake is
clogged.  Check out tdiclub.com for more info.
Ed Pirrero - 07 Apr 2006 03:16 GMT
> > I just bougt a '99 Jetta TDI for a very good price, only has 87k miles
> > on it.  BUT, it is very underpowered on acceleration, street or
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> You should get reasonable acceleration from a TDI, but it is not a tire
> burner.

Sure it is.  In stock form, it can spin the tires in the dry.

> And the response is going to feel sluggish compared to a
> gasoline engine car.

Obviously you've never driven one.  In a 0-35 (like in town), it gets
up and moves out.  Up above that, it runs out of RPM.

>  That said if you are getting poor acceleration
> you might suspect a bad turbocharger.

Errr, the turbos on VW/Audi cars are pretty tough.  You have to work
pretty hard to blow them up.

>  If the previous owner was not
> meticiulous about having frequent oil changes then the turbo bearings
> may be shot and the turbo is barely running if at all.

Heh.  I'm not sure where you get your info, but it's not based in
reality.

E.P.
 
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