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Film of Ferrari driving at up to 140mph through Paris

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bungalow_steve@yahoo.com - 07 Apr 2006 23:07 GMT
A short film from 1976 where a camera is mounted on the front of a
Ferrari driving at up to 140mph through Paris

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rendezvous.html
necromancer - 08 Apr 2006 05:49 GMT
> A short film from 1976 where a camera is mounted on the front of a
> Ferrari driving at up to 140mph through Paris
>
> http://www.glumbert.com/media/rendezvous.html

That was pretty good.

And Scott, you were saying something funny recently about FL being the
home of "Large Print Edition," pavement markings or some such thing? :)
Scott en Aztlán - 08 Apr 2006 15:37 GMT

>> http://www.glumbert.com/media/rendezvous.html
>
>That was pretty good.
>
>And Scott, you were saying something funny recently about FL being the
>home of "Large Print Edition," pavement markings or some such thing? :)

I'm not sure I'm following you here. What do Florida's Large Print
Edition road signs have to do with a Ferrari driving 140 MPH through
the streets of Paris?
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necromancer - 08 Apr 2006 18:57 GMT
> Scott en Aztlán:
> I'm not sure I'm following you here. What do Florida's Large Print
> Edition road signs have to do with a Ferrari driving 140 MPH through
> the streets of Paris?

I thought you were talking about pavement markings in that post. Did you
notice some of the pavement markings in the video (not just the
crosswalk markings)?
Scott en Aztlán - 09 Apr 2006 18:33 GMT
>> I'm not sure I'm following you here. What do Florida's Large Print
>> Edition road signs have to do with a Ferrari driving 140 MPH through
>> the streets of Paris?
>
>I thought you were talking about pavement markings in that post.

Yes, those too.

>Did you
>notice some of the pavement markings in the video (not just the
>crosswalk markings)?

I noticed the crosswalk markings appeared to be straight out of Abbey
Road, but what really caught my attention was the big, wide, EMPTY
streets! That film must have been shot at 5:30 AM on a Sunday morning
or something...
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necromancer - 09 Apr 2006 21:16 GMT
> Scott en Aztlán:
> I noticed the crosswalk markings appeared to be straight out of Abbey
> Road, but what really caught my attention was the big, wide, EMPTY
> streets! That film must have been shot at 5:30 AM on a Sunday morning
> or something...

It did look like early AM (or maybe late PM) to me too. And this was in
the '70's, so that might have had some effect on the traffic level...  
:)
gpsman - 08 Apr 2006 06:18 GMT
> A short film from 1976 where a camera is mounted on the front of a
> Ferrari driving at up to 140mph through Paris
>
> http://www.glumbert.com/media/rendezvous.html

The name of that site ought to be gullibert.com.  Fake.  100%.

Hardly anything matches the audio.  The acceleration doesn't come
*anywhere near* a 0-100/10 sec. time.  He's running through the gears
and the engine is screaming but the rate of acceleration hardly varies.
I've been 140 mph and that footage ain't even half of that.

French buses and other traffic must average about 100 mph too.  I'd be
surprised to find out the "Ferrari" ever tops 60.
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Matthew Russotto - 09 Apr 2006 22:46 GMT
>> A short film from 1976 where a camera is mounted on the front of a
>> Ferrari driving at up to 140mph through Paris
>>
>> http://www.glumbert.com/media/rendezvous.html
>
>The name of that site ought to be gullibert.com.  Fake.  100%.

Real.

>Hardly anything matches the audio.

When I saw it on videotape, it did.

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Arif Khokar - 09 Apr 2006 22:49 GMT
>>Hardly anything matches the audio.

> When I saw it on videotape, it did.

Why was there no wind noise?
Scott en Aztlán - 10 Apr 2006 03:02 GMT
>>>Hardly anything matches the audio.
>
>> When I saw it on videotape, it did.
>
>Why was there no wind noise?

The engine noise and the squealing tires mask it?

Seriously, there is definitely something fishy about the soundtrack.
There seems to be WAY too much tire squealing going on...
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Scott - 10 Apr 2006 04:05 GMT
Well, I gotta say. when a vehicle is parked at the side of the road and
you are passing it at 140 MILES per hour, I is kinda blurry, even on
camera. Especially when you consider that it was obviously a digital
recording ( video tape recorders require larger mounting apparatus
because they are heavier and create a lot of shake at 140mph) and being
a digital recording the CCD within the camera could not possibly take
that many frames per second to create the clarity of the film, also to
do so would require a huge aperture on the camera (hence bigger
camera=more shake) which even at the early hours at which it was filmed
(due to the empty streets) would appear much brighter.  Unless altered
in a cutting room (which would have to be film) all in all, unless the
maker of this film has either some form of digital camera well beyond
the current capacity of all known devices or has found some way to
absolutely eliminate shake from the camera while driving, this film is
exagerated to the point that only the gullible will believe it.
Or maybe I play with cameras and watch CSI too much.
Matthew Russotto - 10 Apr 2006 04:37 GMT
>Especially when you consider that it was obviously a digital
>recording ( video tape recorders require larger mounting apparatus
>because they are heavier and create a lot of shake at 140mph) and being

The film was made in 1976.  It was NOT digital.
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Scott en Aztlán - 10 Apr 2006 14:29 GMT
>Well, I gotta say. when a vehicle is parked at the side of the road and
>you are passing it at 140 MILES per hour, I is kinda blurry, even on
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>a digital recording the CCD within the camera could not possibly take
>that many frames per second

Hate to break this to ya, but digital video and CCD video cameras did
not exist in 1976.
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gpsman - 10 Apr 2006 16:26 GMT
> >Well, I gotta say. when a vehicle is parked at the side of the road and
> >you are passing it at 140 MILES per hour, I is kinda blurry, even on
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Hate to break this to ya, but digital video and CCD video cameras did
> not exist in 1976.

Yeah, well, it's easy to get confused when you're looking at digital
video and thinking video must be as old as film simply because both
have been part of your ordinary life experience since birth.  And the
frame rate for video is pretty much fixed at either "drop frame"  (30
fps) or "non-drop frame" (29.97 fps).  Video "shutter speed" can be
altered on professional cameras for high-speed frame capture.
Sometimes you see computer monitors in video than don't have the "roll"
because the camera operator has synced the shutter speed to the video
display rate.

This clip was shot on film.  Video simply doesn't have the dynamic
range to produce the level of detail that's apparent in those low
lighting conditions and to the trained eye (mine) it has the
unmistakable, unduplicatable look of film.  Today film is commonly
dumped to digital, edited and effects added, then dumped back to film
for distribution.

The audio has oh so obviously been dubbed over.  Ignoring the fact that
the acceleration is a bad mismatch for the audio... at the very least
the front of the car to which the camera was affixed would move up and
down just a tad during the hard acceleration, shifts and braking
supposedly occuring.  The camera is obviously gyroscopically stabilized
but stabilization wasn't then what it is now, or anywhere close.

I'm sure it was plenty good enough to fool audiences in the '70's,
especially in a theater environment with the audio blasting.  It seems
audiences are still quite willing to suspend belief of what their eye
sees and believe what their ears hear in the 21st century.
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senna@winning.com - 10 Apr 2006 04:17 GMT
> >>Hardly anything matches the audio.
>
> > When I saw it on videotape, it did.
>
> Why was there no wind noise?

It's not a Corvette.  It's a Ferrari.
Brent P - 10 Apr 2006 04:39 GMT
>>>Hardly anything matches the audio.
>
>> When I saw it on videotape, it did.
>
> Why was there no wind noise?

I have a feeling the soundtrack was recorded separately and cleaned up.
It just seems that way... like a professionally made movie of the era.

It was a lot more in sync than the soundtrack for "Bullitt" and we know
that chase scene was real stunt work....


OM - 08 Apr 2006 14:50 GMT
I have seen that film before. However, my understanding is that the car
might not actually be a Ferrari but Claude Lalouch's own Mercedes-Benz.
The director has never revealed the names of car and driver to this day.
Not even the gendarmes tried and tried to extract the detail from him.
So much urban legend and so much rumours about that film that we don't
know what is true and whatnot.

Mr Lalouch also chose the ideal time of the year to film during August
when Paris is almost a ghost town with massive exodus of residents to
the seashores and other holiday spots.

I found a probably best explanation and story behind that film here:

http://www.jerrykindall.com/2005/11/07_cetait_un_rendezvous.asp

> A short film from 1976 where a camera is mounted on the front of a
> Ferrari driving at up to 140mph through Paris
>
> http://www.glumbert.com/media/rendezvous.html
slas - 08 Apr 2006 16:07 GMT
He should have driven through Italy.  Italian police do not ticket nor
bother to chase Ferraris for speeding.   Not an urban legend.  I have
seen this first-hand on the A1 between Bologna and Milan.
Matthew Russotto - 09 Apr 2006 22:48 GMT
>He should have driven through Italy.  Italian police do not ticket nor
>bother to chase Ferraris for speeding.

Do they ticket anyone for speeding?
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senna@winning.com - 10 Apr 2006 04:19 GMT
> >He should have driven through Italy.  Italian police do not ticket nor
> >bother to chase Ferraris for speeding.
>
> Do they ticket anyone for speeding?
> --

Yes. Ferraris get a free pass... because they're -- uh - Ferraris.
 
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