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"Courtesy" Causes Crash
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Scott en Aztlán - 24 May 2006 15:21 GMT In this video, a "courteous" driver on the freeway suddenly swerves left in order to "let in" another car merging onto the freeway. Unfortunately, this would-be enabler never bothered to check whether the left lane was occupied. The enabler sideswipes an SUV next to her, running it off the road in a spectacular rollover crash. The oblivious enabler then drives away, probably unaware of the carnage she just caused.
http://tinyurl.com/zfjfj
Actually, if this had occurred in CO instead of MI, I would suspect Aunt Judy of being the driver who ran the SUV off the road. ;)
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Mike T. - 24 May 2006 15:46 GMT > In this video, a "courteous" driver on the freeway suddenly swerves > left in order to "let in" another car merging onto the freeway. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Actually, if this had occurred in CO instead of MI, I would suspect > Aunt Judy of being the driver who ran the SUV off the road. ;) Actually, the driver of the SUV was partially to blame for that rollover. Watch the video again, carefully. You see a vehicle side-swipe the SUV. The SUV's left wheels leave the road briefly. So far, we have just scraped paint. Then the driver of the SUV cranks the wheel HARD to the right (Over-compensating, trying to get back on the road too quickly) and spins the SUV sideways. Predictably, the SUV rolls, over and over, and ends up off the road on the right side of the highway.
I've been in a similar circumstance. I was driving an SUV on a similar highway, was passing a pickup at the time. As I was just about ready to move back to the right, ANOTHER pickup came flying around the first pickup, did a double lane change to the left in front of it. Only problem was, the SUV I was driving was in one of those lanes that the second pickup was crossing. I deliberately drove the SUV into the soft median to avoid a collision with pickup number 2. He missed me by less than a foot. I rode with two wheels off the road for several seconds while slowing down, and then merged back into the passing lane. By that time, pickup number two was speeding away, as that driver knew he'd f.cked up.
I caught up with him, got his employer's name and phone number (off the side of the pickup), called up his boss, and he was canned the same day. :) Before someone feels sorry for him, I should mention that the driver of the pickup was well in excess of 100MPH, doing multiple unsafe lane changes, and passing people in the breakdown lane, trying to escape. I had to haul a.s to catch him, but I did it safely. Shut up Judy. -Dave
Larry Bud - 24 May 2006 18:16 GMT > > In this video, a "courteous" driver on the freeway suddenly swerves > > left in order to "let in" another car merging onto the freeway. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the SUV sideways. Predictably, the SUV rolls, over and over, and ends up > off the road on the right side of the highway. No doubt that better training of the SUV driver COULD have prevented the crash from being as bad as it was, but the blame has to go to the driver that hit the crash victim.
It would be a hell of a lot easier to train the driver who caused the accident in the first place to look where the hell she's going than to train someone how to drive 50+ mph with half her wheels in the median, and the other half in the crap that's on the shoulder.
Mike T. - 24 May 2006 18:32 GMT It would be a hell of a lot easier to train the driver who caused the accident in the first place to look where the hell she's going than to train someone how to drive 50+ mph with half her wheels in the median, and the other half in the crap that's on the shoulder.
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Maybe, but both are skills necessary for safe driving. sh.t happens. You don't need to be knocked off the road by someone not looking where they are going. Your wheels can leave the paved surface for many reasons. Maybe you hit a patch of ice/oil/gravel, etc. Maybe you were momentarily distracted and turned too far, or not far enough. Maybe you swerve to miss a dog. Maybe your tire blows, causing steering to get a bit wobbly. Whatever, there are many causes of wheels leaving the paved surface that are not at all related to OTHER drivers. You need to know how to handle that situation. The SUV driver didn't know, and thus she destroyed an SUV, specifically because she lacked a very BASIC driving skill. She's lucky she didn't kill herself.
If two wheels drop off a paved surface, you need to slow down (but don't -brake- unless absolutely necessary to save your life). After you've slowed down to a reasonable speed to accomplish a sudden turn, you need to re-enter the road surface suddenly, at a sharp angle (and be prepared to straighten out the vehicle after it's back on the road). You might actually have to move your wheels FARTHER off the road surface to accomplish this. This will give you space to turn your vehicle so that your (off-road wheels) hit the paved surface at a sharper angle. The sharp angle is to prevent your wheels from getting caught on the edge of the paved road. If the wheels catch the edge of the road, it can cause the vehicle to slide sideways, and possibly roll over.
What the girl in the video did is tried to re-enter the road immediately, at a high rate of speed. This was likely a panic reflex. A properly trained driver wouldn't have panicked.
So it didn't help that the SUV was knocked off the road by another bad driver. But a properly trained driver would have driven through the situation, with nothing more than some scratched paint, where the two vehicles contacted each other. -Dave
necromancer - 24 May 2006 20:37 GMT > Larry Bud said in rec.autos.driving: > No doubt that better training of the SUV driver COULD have prevented > the crash from being as bad as it was, but the blame has to go to the > driver that hit the crash victim. I agree. Had the driver of the car been paying attention, the accident would have never happened.
Laura Bush Rules! - 25 May 2006 00:38 GMT > No doubt that better training of the SUV driver COULD have prevented > the crash from being as bad as it was, but the blame has to go to the > driver that hit the crash victim. The blame is twofold. Obviously the driver who hit the crash "victim" deserves his/her full share of the blame. However, the "victim", had they stayed awake in driver's ed, would have come out of this without having to roll their SUV. Any moron stupid enough to drive an SUV and isn't prepared to deal with such "emergencies" deserves the fate they receive. Actually, any vehicle will do, but SUV drivers more so due to the fact they purposely choose a vehicle with a high center of gravity which means they had better be prepared for such emergencies.
> It would be a hell of a lot easier to train the driver who caused the > accident in the first place to look where the hell she's going than to > train someone how to drive 50+ mph with half her wheels in the median, > and the other half in the crap that's on the shoulder. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Yes, driver training for the driver who caused the accident, but even so, the "victim" in this case SHOULD have had driver training before she ever put her key in the ignition. You never can tell when a deer or moose, who hasn't had driver's ed, might jump out in front of you and you have to be prepared to SAFELY compensate.
Jim Yanik - 25 May 2006 03:01 GMT >> No doubt that better training of the SUV driver COULD have prevented >> the crash from being as bad as it was, but the blame has to go to the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > had driver's ed, might jump out in front of you and you have to be > prepared to SAFELY compensate. The problem was not her driving with 2 wheels off the pavement,it was her jerking the SUV -back onto the pavement- at speed;that's where the rollover began. You're supposed to SLOW down first before getting back onto the pavement. With an SUV,the effect is much worse than with a regular auto,which probably would have just fishtailed and slid around.
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Larry Bud - 25 May 2006 16:03 GMT > > It would be a hell of a lot easier to train the driver who caused the > > accident in the first place to look where the hell she's going than to > > train someone how to drive 50+ mph with half her wheels in the median, > > and the other half in the crap that's on the shoulder. > > That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Really? You think it would be harder to train the driver to look where he's going rather than teach proper driving techniques on the median and shoulder after nearly being run off the road? That's interesting.
> Yes, driver training > for the driver who caused the accident, but even so, the "victim" in > this case SHOULD have had driver training before she ever put her key > in the ignition. I agree that better training *might* have prevented it, but the victim of this accident (presumably) followed the rules and had a valid license. Whether or not the degree of difficultly in obtaining that license or the level of training she received isn't the victim's fault. I doubt you or 99% of the people on this forum have had more training than she did.
Scott en Aztlán - 25 May 2006 05:49 GMT >Actually, the driver of the SUV was partially to blame for that rollover. Clearly the WOMAN driver overreacted to the collision and turned a minor fender-bender into a major catastrophe, but none of it would have happened at all if it weren't for the "courteous" driver (who, oddly enough, didn't have the courtesy to stop after causing this horrific wreck).
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Jim Yanik - 25 May 2006 15:46 GMT >>Actually, the driver of the SUV was partially to blame for that >>rollover. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > oddly enough, didn't have the courtesy to stop after causing this > horrific wreck). I believe there's many people who were the initial cause of accidents who just keep on going,not realizing what they just did. I speculate this may be a major cause of those "crossover" head-on collisions;where the vehicle "loses control" and crosses over into oncoming traffic with horrific results. Usually the crash victim does not survive to tell us why they "lost control".
In this particular case,the woman was operating a vehicle beyond her abilities with a much lower tolerance for error.
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necromancer - 24 May 2006 20:35 GMT > Scott en Aztlán said in rec.autos.driving: > > http://tinyurl.com/zfjfj I knew that SUV's were somewhat unstable to begin with, but damn, I didn't think they were that bad.
> Actually, if this had occurred in CO instead of MI, I would suspect > Aunt Judy of being the driver who ran the SUV off the road. ;) Maybe Aunt Judy is on a road trip? :) That accident sounds like something that moron would do...
! - 24 May 2006 22:50 GMT > > Scott en Aztlán said in rec.autos.driving: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Maybe Aunt Judy is on a road trip? :) That accident sounds like > something that moron would do... Nah. (S)he would have already been in the left lane, doing 55, to begin with.
Laura Bush Rules! - 25 May 2006 00:41 GMT > > Scott en Aztlán said in rec.autos.driving: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Maybe Aunt Judy is on a road trip? :) That accident sounds like > something that moron would do... I couldn't tell, but neither of those vehicles looked like oil-belching beaters to me... :-)
Dave - 25 May 2006 00:47 GMT I knew that SUV's were somewhat unstable to begin with, but damn, I didn't think they were that bad.
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They aren't that bad. They are if the driver has no fricking clue. -Dave
Jim Yanik - 25 May 2006 03:04 GMT > I knew that SUV's were somewhat unstable to begin with, but damn, I > didn't think they were that bad. > > (snip) > > They aren't that bad. Yes,they are.Much worse than a regular auto. People have been misled into thinking that they "drive just like a car".
> They are if the driver has no fricking clue. -Dave The "no clue" part was her driving back onto the raised pavement without slowing down first.
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Mike T. - 25 May 2006 13:52 GMT >> I knew that SUV's were somewhat unstable to begin with, but damn, I >> didn't think they were that bad. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes,they are.Much worse than a regular auto. > People have been misled into thinking that they "drive just like a car". Well I agree that they are much worse than a regular auto. But they aren't as bad as the video would seem to suggest that they are. The video shows bad driving (on the part of 2 different bad drivers), exaggerated by a vehicle with a high center of gravity. -Dave
Doug Warner - 30 May 2006 03:56 GMT ed.
>http://tinyurl.com/zfjfj I get "windows media player cannpt play the file"
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Scott en Aztlán - 30 May 2006 19:00 GMT >>http://tinyurl.com/zfjfj > >I get "windows media player cannpt play the file" This is what I hate about linking to news articles on media websites: they put an article (or a video) up for a few days, and then they either take it down or move it to an "archives" area, rendering the original URL useless. This is why I usually quote newspaper articles in full when commenting on them un USENET posts.
You might try a search on the WLNS website to see where they have moved the video. Otherwise, the video basically shows a view from a state trooper's dash cam in which a car in the right lane suddenly merges left to make room for another car which is merging onto the freeway from an on-ramp. The driver of the first car sideswipes an SUV which is to her left; the woman driving the SUV swerves off the road, cuts hard right to try to get back onto the pavement, loses control, and rolls several times. The driver that sideswiped the SUV drives merrily away, never even slowing down.
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