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leonard78sp@gmail.com - 05 Jun 2006 18:18 GMT
Crash horrors live on
Robert PeRez | Sentinel Staff Writer

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/newsletter/mu-html/orl-trauma0506jun05
,0,1323692.story?coll=orl-middayupdate-latestnews


June 5, 2006

Suzan Brownell had a split second to act when she saw
the full-size pickup tumbling toward her on Interstate 4.
She hit the gas, and the truck missed her SUV by inches.

But the driver's body, which had been thrown from the
vehicle, exploded through her windshield in a riot of
blood, debris and glass.

The horrific crash last month didn't injure Brownell
physically, but the trauma had an immediate and
dramatic impact on her life.

Within days, the 40-year-old Deltona resident
became overwhelmed by anxiety, unable to focus at work,
unable to sleep at night, obsessed with what other drivers
were doing on her daily commute along the interstate.

"I got behind a big truck, and another big truck came up
next to me," she recalled. "I just started freaking out. I
realized I was gripping the wheel so hard, and I wasn't
breathing."

Over and over, she has relived the accident in her mind.
And she has cried -- so hard at times it made her legs
weak.

"The only other time I cried was on my wedding day,"
she said.

Brownell is one of thousands of Central Florida motorists
who have suffered lingering and sometimes debilitating
mental scars after getting caught up in all-too-common
traffic accidents along the region's congested roads.

In the past five years, the Florida Highway Patrol has
tracked nearly 3,400 accident victims in Central Florida
who requested crisis counseling or professional referrals.
Potentially hundreds of them developed post-traumatic
stress disorder -- something normally associated with
soldiers returning from war rather than someone returning
from work.

A study by the National Center for Post-Traumatic Stress
Disorder found about 9 percent of accident victims struggle
with the condition.

"It can be incredibly debilitating," said Walter Johnson,
the FHP's victims' advocate. "People turn to alcohol and
drugs. It can affect relationships."

Although many seek counseling, others battle through on
their own, only to have the trauma rekindled by a future
event.

No chance to grieve

Getting help is a must, said Vickie Lyon, whose daughter
was killed by a drunken driver in 2001.

"Anyone who thinks they can do it on their own is full
of baloney," she said.

Dennielle "Nikki" Schermock was 25 when she was killed
in a head-on collision on Poinciana Boulevard south of
Kissimmee. Her 4-year-old daughter, Brieanna, and
16-month-old son, Brandon, were in the car with her.
Brieanna was seriously injured.

She said it took her years to realize she never got the
chance to grieve for her daughter. She was too busy caring
for the children and fighting a long custody battle. Lyon and
her husband, Christopher, now care for the children and will
legally adopt them this month.

Lyon went through phases of denial and anger. She
developed techniques to get through the rough times, but
she remains haunted by the image of her daughter's broken
body in the morgue.

May is particularly difficult for Lyon because it includes
Mother's Day and Nikki's birthday. Even the most routine
things, such as spotting a blouse at a store that Nikki would
have liked, can trigger a wave of emotions.

Can't go it alone

She is grateful for the counseling and direction provided by
Johnson at the FHP.

"Don't do it by yourself," she said. "You need your best friend
Susie. Or to be able to roll over in bed and have your
husband say, 'I know what you're thinking,' or to be able to
call your mom or call your pastor."

Like Lyon, Brownell's dreams are invaded by images from
her accident, one that was shocking even to law-enforcement
veterans.

About 4:30 p.m. May 18, Brownell was driving eastbound on
I-4 as she had done hundreds of times over 11 years from her
job at an Orlando fence company. As she approached
Seminole Towne Center mall, Wilfred Garcia's blue Ford 250
crew-cab pickup sped westbound.

In the thick of early rush-hour traffic, Garcia's 6,600-pound
truck suddenly went out of control, skidding across three lanes
toward the center guardrail, flipping over it and then tumbling
toward eastbound traffic.

Garcia, 44, and his passenger, Esau Bernard, 50, were not
wearing seat belts, according to the FHP. Both were thrown
from the rolling vehicle.

Brownell only remembers making a split-second decision to
speed up to avoid the mass of tumbling steel, then there was a
gut-wrenching impact.

Somehow, she was able to stop her Toyota 4Runner and pull
to the median. Her two Labradors, which had spent the day at
work with her, were unharmed. But they were covered in blood.

The scene inside the vehicle was "like something out of a Wes
Craven movie," Brownell recalled. But this was real.

There is little that can prepare someone for that type of shock,
Johnson said. "I think when people come face to face in an
event, when you're there, it's a lot different from violence on
television," he said.

The symptoms of the trauma that would grip Brownell were
evident the evening of the accident, when she took four showers
and still felt "icky." That night, David Brownell found his wife
sitting upright in bed in a sweat. She later curled up on the
couch, shivering uncontrollably.

Days later, her struggles continued. She found it increasingly
difficult to get through a routine workday, her mind drifting back
to the accident.

"I find myself typing along and I start thinking about stuff," she
said. "About the guy. The whole like, you know, he was in my
car. A person is not supposed to do that. Do people really blow
up like that? I find my mind wandering a lot."

She is angry at Garcia. If he had only worn his seat belt, she
might not have had to go through this, she said.

"It was such a simple thing, such a simple thing," she said. "I
don't get why a person, in my opinion, would just want to just
throw their life away."

Brownell still wakes up screaming, her husband said. Despite
being a strong and independent woman, she can't shake the
horror. She knows she needs help.

"Grief is part of a natural being-born-dying process," she said.
"Having a body flung through your windshield at 180 miles an
hour and only half of him being in your vehicle is something else."

Copyright © 2006, Orlando Sentinel
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 05 Jun 2006 18:57 GMT
>Crash horrors live on
>Robert PeRez | Sentinel Staff Writer
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>unable to sleep at night, obsessed with what other drivers
>were doing on her daily commute along the interstate.

She's just being sensible.  Driving a car is the most dangerous thing
we do because of all the crazies on the road.  RSG idiots and their
happy motoring nonsense just prove how stupid they are.
necromancer - 05 Jun 2006 20:09 GMT
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE shitted this in rec.autos.driving:

> She's just being sensible.  Driving a car is the most dangerous thing
> we do because of all the crazies on the road.  

Yeah. Homicidal killers like you in your rolling death trap.

> RSG idiots and their happy motoring nonsense just prove how
> stupid they are.

Takling about yourself again, numbnutz???

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Loco Laura Bush murdered her boydriend displays its right-wing lunacy:

"There's not a shred of evidence that the jerries murdered anything
close to 7 million jooz.  Another monstrous lie just like the 9-11
official story. "

-- Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 12/01/2004
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/9oog5
Message-ID: <780ea958.0411302101.5ef25456@posting.google.com>

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 06 Jun 2006 06:21 GMT
>laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE shitted this in rec.autos.driving:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Takling about yourself again, numbnutz???

My mistake.  I thought i was addressing an adult.
AnotherDrunkDrivingKennedy.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 06 Jun 2006 22:52 GMT
> My mistake.  I thought i was addressing an adult.

Your mistake is believing you can effectively participate in a
discussion with adults. That's why you receive so many childish
responses.

Hope this helps clarify the situation for you, sh.t for brains.
necromancer - 06 Jun 2006 23:37 GMT
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE shitted this in rec.autos.driving:

> My mistake.  I thought i was addressing an adult.

Then you *are* talking to yourself, you nutjob. :)

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Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend's first admission that it is a
deadly speeder when it was fruitlessly trying to irritate people with
the nym "Pride of America:"

">  Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?

Yes, but never deliberately.  In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25.  I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying.  No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."

Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE), 10/3/2002
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TedKennedyMurderedHisPregnantMistress.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 05 Jun 2006 21:50 GMT
> She's just being sensible.  Driving a car is the most dangerous thing
> we do because of all the crazies on the road.  RSG idiots and their
> happy motoring nonsense just prove how stupid they are.

Actually your "anti-happy motoring" screeds merely demonstrate your
incompetence.

Actually all your screeds demonstrate your incompetence.
TedKennedyMurderedHisPregnantMistress.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 05 Jun 2006 20:03 GMT
> Crash horrors live on
> Robert PeRez | Sentinel Staff Writer

<snip>

> Brownell is one of thousands of Central Florida motorists
> who have suffered lingering and sometimes debilitating
> mental scars after getting caught up in all-too-common
> traffic accidents along the region's congested roads.

<snip>

Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
encountered in my life. Let 'em suffer if they can't be bothered to
learn how to drive correctly.
Brent P - 05 Jun 2006 20:08 GMT
> Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
> encountered in my life. Let 'em suffer if they can't be bothered to
> learn how to drive correctly.

You should read the article and learn that it's often not the bad driver
who suffers, but the victim of the bad driver.


TedKennedyMurderedHisPregnantMistress.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 05 Jun 2006 21:44 GMT
> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You should read the article and learn that it's often not the bad driver
> who suffers, but the victim of the bad driver.

I did read the article.

And I still maintain that an accident between two vehicles is usually
the result of two bad drivers, not the result of a bad driver and a
"victim."
leonard78sp@gmail.com - 06 Jun 2006 01:51 GMT
> > > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> > > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I did read the article.

If you did, you comprehended nothing.  It is always the
idiots with the long stupid nyms, making pompous and
arrogant pronouncements that they can never prove.

> And I still maintain that an accident between two vehicles is usually
> the result of two bad drivers, not the result of a bad driver and a
> "victim."

In the case I cited, the victim was an excellent driver
with good judgement and reflexes:

"Suzan Brownell had a split second to act when she saw
the full-size pickup tumbling toward her on Interstate 4.
She hit the gas, and the truck missed her SUV by inches.

"But the driver's body, which had been thrown from the
vehicle, exploded through her windshield in a riot of
blood, debris and glass.

"She is angry at Garcia. If he had only worn his seat belt, she
might not have had to go through this, she said."
AnotherDrunkDrivingKennedy.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 06 Jun 2006 02:30 GMT
> > > > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> > > > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> idiots with the long stupid nyms, making pompous and
> arrogant pronouncements that they can never prove.

And your post completely disproves this. So why don't you have a long
nym, sh.t for brains?

> > And I still maintain that an accident between two vehicles is usually
> > the result of two bad drivers, not the result of a bad driver and a
> > "victim."
>
> In the case I cited, the victim was an excellent driver
> with good judgement and reflexes:

How the hell do you know? Do you know her? Have you been riding with
her to judge her reflexes?

> "Suzan Brownell had a split second to act when she saw
> the full-size pickup tumbling toward her on Interstate 4.
> She hit the gas, and the truck missed her SUV by inches.

Perhaps she could have been more attentive, and missed the SUV by feet.

> "But the driver's body, which had been thrown from the
> vehicle, exploded through her windshield in a riot of
> blood, debris and glass.
>
> "She is angry at Garcia. If he had only worn his seat belt, she
> might not have had to go through this, she said."

Maybe if she would have been paying more attention to what was going on
in the oncoming lanes of traffic, she could have avoided the situation
altogether.

Catch you next post, moron.
Brent P - 06 Jun 2006 05:00 GMT
>> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
>> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> the result of two bad drivers, not the result of a bad driver and a
> "victim."

I've been involved in collisions where no amount of additional driving skill
or awareness could have saved me from the stupidity of the other driver.
Most of these involve being rear ended while waiting at traffic lights and
of course the most recent collision where I was simply rammed from behind
when I let up on the accelerator because the roads were slick.
AnotherDrunkDrivingKennedy.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 06 Jun 2006 22:56 GMT
> >> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> >> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> of course the most recent collision where I was simply rammed from behind
> when I let up on the accelerator because the roads were slick.

Note that I did write "usually" in my previous statement. :-)

Over the course of the last 15 years, my vehicle has been involved in a
number of "accidents," each one while the car was stopped, and several
times while the car was parked.

Naturally when you're at a traffic signal or are stopped with traffic
in front of you, you can't move your vehicle out of the way of some
moron intent on rear ending you.
TedKennedyMurderedHisPregnantMistress.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 05 Jun 2006 21:45 GMT
> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You should read the article and learn that it's often not the bad driver
> who suffers, but the victim of the bad driver.

Second question: How much time have you spent driving in Central
Floriduh lately?
Brent P - 06 Jun 2006 05:01 GMT
>> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
>> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Second question: How much time have you spent driving in Central
> Floriduh lately?

How much time have you spent driving in chicago lately?
AnotherDrunkDrivingKennedy.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 06 Jun 2006 22:57 GMT
> >> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> >> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> How much time have you spent driving in chicago lately?

None, but the OP's article was relating to Central Florida, not
Chicago.
leonard78sp@gmail.com - 09 Jun 2006 16:12 GMT
> > >> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> > >> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> None, but the OP's article was relating to Central Florida, not
> Chicago.

You were dead wrong about Florida in specific, and
equally dead wrong in general about every locus in
N America.

Be happy that you are not yet dead.
TedKennedyMurderedHisPregnantMistress.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 05 Jun 2006 21:47 GMT
> > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You should read the article and learn that it's often not the bad driver
> who suffers, but the victim of the bad driver.

Question: How much time have you spent driving in Central Floriduh
lately?
leonard78sp@gmail.com - 06 Jun 2006 01:55 GMT
> > > Of the last 12 months, I have spent roughly 2 of them in Central
> > > Florida. Without a doubt, the poorest group of drivers I have ever
> > > encountered in my life. Let 'em suffer if they can't be bothered to
> > > learn how to drive correctly.

Hey bigmouth -- let's see your statistics

> > You should read the article and learn that it's often not the bad driver
> > who suffers, but the victim of the bad driver.
>
> Question: How much time have you spent driving in Central Floriduh
> lately?
AnotherDrunkDrivingKennedy.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 06 Jun 2006 02:27 GMT
> Hey bigmouth -- let's see your statistics

I'll be *more* than happy to post my GPS logs if that would be
sufficient for you. I sampled at a point every two seconds I was on the
road, and was on the road an average of two hours a day while in the
area.

Admittedly, I didn't have the GPS with me during three of the days I
was in the area in May of '05, but it was with me during February and
March of '06.
 
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