> but it is not AWD and not a particularly nice car to drive, either...
>>> I just can't see the point of having the center
>>>consoles on practically all AT cars where they're clearly not needed...
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> Might be dependent upon trim level. The interior shots on chevy.com
> show it both ways.
I think you're right; mine is a base model and I think the more
"upscale" models may very well have a console. The shifter is clearly a
parts-bin item that I am guessing is common to the trucks; it's way too
big for the interior of the car and the steering wheel. ISTR that only
the lower trim levels even get the column shift.
>>but it is not AWD and not a particularly nice car to drive, either...
>
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> driving despite the size and weight of the car. Very quiet at speed
> too,
You must have driven an '06 and if that is the case then I better put
some more miles on my '05 so I can trade it in. I would disagree with
every single one of your comments; my '05 has the base 3.4 liter engine
and it is anemic, thrashy, sounds like I'm abusing the poor thing (and I
probably am) just to keep up with normal DC-area traffic. And, of
course, it sounds exactly like the GM 2.8 derivative that it is - that
is to say, like an old Celebrity, or in other words, like sh.t.
> letting you enjoy a radio that sounded great for a stock system in
> a lower-trim-level car... once I figured out how to work its controls.
> (Att'n designers everywhere: How about one big knob for tuning, and
> another big one for on-off-volume, and a small number of big buttons
> for the presets?
The *controls* on the '05 radio are pretty straightforward, but the
sound is awful... it's like a Bose (all highs and lows) but even *more*
so; they obviously thought that boomin' bass was a good selling point.
It's listenable if you manually drop the bass down a couple notches
(ignore the stock preset EQ curves) but even so it's a bit boomy. And
the CD player for some reason will not play my copy of Cake's "Fashion
Nugget" which in and of itself is a reason to hate it :)
> That was an idea from older Impalas that actually
> worked at 60 mph for those of us who don't have the eyes of a fighter
> pilot, the hands of a brain surgeon, and the multitasking abilities of
> these guys who keep a dozen chess games going at the same time. But I
> digress.)
Another nice feature of the '05 is the speed-sensitive volume control -
it attempts to compensate for the gawdawful 3.4...
> The suspension and handling amounted to the only weakness -- they went
> for the traditional large American cushmobile approach at the expense
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> are improvements over the Dodge Stratuses now aging out of the motor
> pool...)
Bite your tongue... I wouldn't wish a Taurus transmission on my worst
enemy. I agree about the suspension - it pushes and eats tires - but
the straight line stability I haven't had a problem with. Of course we
are comparing apples and oranges because I'm inferring from your
comments about the 3.5 that you are talking about the '06 and I have
only driven the '05. And, of course, my bases for comparison are my 944
which has a HUGE scrub radius (good for quick turn in, not so good for
stability - you have to keep on top of it) and my old Studebakers which
don't really have any sort of appreciable caster at all (this was in an
era where power steering was a luxury, remember)
Of course, this is all irrelevant to the OP because he's looking for AWD :)
>>what about the Ford 500? base model still has the console?
>
> That's an intriguing prospect to my tastes, and carries a 5-star crash
> safety rating from all angles, as well as an AWD option. Alas, it seems
> to have a console. Might be worth looking in person at base models,
> though.
yeah, that's why I mentioned it. I find cars like this fairly
unappealing, so I don't know that I've ever been curious enough to look
inside one. Were it not for my job I probably would never have driven
an Impala; I'm much more of a small, sporty-car kind of guy. When I
think "AWD" I think "Audi" and AFAIK they all have floor shifts.
Aren't some of the larger Chrysler models available with AWD as well?
300 maybe?
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Ad absurdum per aspera - 15 Jun 2006 21:43 GMT
> You must have driven an '06 and if that is the case then I better put
> some more miles on my '05 so I can trade it in.
I'm sure it's an '06 model, as it didn't appear in the parking lot
until well into calendar '06. Didn't realize there might be
differences of near-generational proportions between that and the '05.
> Aren't some of the larger Chrysler models available with AWD as well? 300 maybe?
Good point; I think the V6 model is available with AWD and so is the
Pacifica. Dunno where the shifter is on either one, but they're
definitely spacious (and spendy) vehicles...
--Joe
Motorhead Lawyer - 16 Jun 2006 20:05 GMT
> Good point; I think the V6 model is available with AWD and so is the
> Pacifica. Dunno where the shifter is on either one, but they're
> definitely spacious (and spendy) vehicles...
While the Pacifica is a 2x2x2-seater, I think the extra space it has
might solve your problem anyway. ISTR base price is mid-20s. Plus,
D-C seems to be 'blowing 'em out' right now. 0% apr for 60 months,
etc. ...
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)