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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / June 2006

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why have center consoles on automatics?

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Zarnold Edward Quigley - 15 Jun 2006 05:03 GMT
<rant>
What I would like to find is a new car (sedan or wagon, doesn't matter,
but not an SUV) roomy interior, with AWD (I live in New England), and an
automatic transmission with the shifter on the steering column, as
opposed to on a center console.  Not that I'm particularly massive or
anything, but I realize how much I prefer driving cars like my father's
Mercury Grand Marquis due to the comfort afforded by the roominess in the
front, where you can just relax without your right leg grinding up
against a hard piece of plastic.  I would just buy one of those, but they
suck in the winter.  I've been searching online and I'm not sure what I'm
looking for exists.  I just can't see the point of having the center
consoles on practically all AT cars where they're clearly not needed...
would be nice to at least have a choice.
</rant>

Z
Pooh Bear - 15 Jun 2006 05:45 GMT
> <rant>
> What I would like to find is a new car (sedan or wagon, doesn't matter,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> would be nice to at least have a choice.
> </rant>

You obviously haven't seen the linkages that a column change needs !

Graham
Brent P - 15 Jun 2006 05:54 GMT
> You obviously haven't seen the linkages that a column change needs !

A column automatic is a rather simple linkage. A column manual trans on
the other hand... :) But that's for a RWD car.

For a FWD (transverse mounted engine/trans) car an automatic trans
shifter is going to have a similiar degree of complexity regardless. In
fact, the column shift might actually be shorter depending on the
transaxle location.
Scott en Aztlán - 15 Jun 2006 14:47 GMT
>> You obviously haven't seen the linkages that a column change needs !
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>For a FWD (transverse mounted engine/trans) car an automatic trans
>shifter is going to have a similiar degree of complexity regardless.

Shifter location is more or less a matter of fashion, especially in
these days of drive-by-wire where there need not be any direct
mechanical linkage at all between the shift lever and the
transmission. I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one that has the
shifter up in the middle of the dashboard, in the general area where
you would expect to find the radio. Personally, I think this looks
stupid, but then again I think the Scion xB and the Honda Excrement
look stupid, too. :)

Answering the OP's question more directly, the reason automatic
transmission shifters are "four on the floor" is because most people
think a floor shifter looks cooler than a column shifter.
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Zarnold Edward Quigley - 15 Jun 2006 06:14 GMT
> > <rant>
> > What I would like to find is a new car (sedan or wagon, doesn't matter,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > would be nice to at least have a choice.
> > </rant>

> You obviously haven't seen the linkages that a column change needs !

Yeah, I'll admit, I'm not that advanced in my automative knowledge (I
know dick).  My comments were from the perspective of a casual driving
enthusiast who likes to be able to take 5 - 6 hour road trips in comfort,
and generally favors large RWD American sedans with leather seats and
slushboxes.  Unfortunately I live in a climate that often presents harsh
weather conditions 5-6 months a year, and would like to limit myself to a
single vehicle I can use year round.

BTW, anyone have opinions on the Dodge Caliber?  Seems to suit most of
my needs (not sure about space... I'll have to test drive it), and seems
like somewhat of a bargain, but is it generally a *bad idea* to purchase
any vehicle in its first model year?  Don't know a lot about Dodge cars.
Would it be advisable to go for an extended warranty (which I understand
is generally a waste of money) in this case?  Any comments appreciated.

Thanks,
Z
Dave Head - 15 Jun 2006 10:36 GMT
><rant>
>What I would like to find is a new car (sedan or wagon, doesn't matter,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>would be nice to at least have a choice.
></rant>

The center console is sometimes used as a place for a computer or two to
reside.  My Mitsubishi Eclipse had the engine computer there.  Makes sense to
put it in there, in an environment that is not going to get too hot.  Plus,
with the console there, its easy to have a brace from the floor to the rest of
the dashboard to stiffen it.

I like to have that area open, too, if I can get it.  That's a great place to
mount CB's, scanners, auxilliary audio, other accessories.

Dave Head
Nate Nagel - 15 Jun 2006 11:24 GMT
> <rant>
> What I would like to find is a new car (sedan or wagon, doesn't matter,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Z

Chevy Impala doesn't have a console, but it is not AWD and not a
particularly nice car to drive, either...

what about the Ford 500?  base model still has the console?

nate

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Harry K - 15 Jun 2006 15:02 GMT
> > <rant>
> > What I would like to find is a new car (sedan or wagon, doesn't matter,
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Yes it does.  That is my ride - a very comfortable cruiser but
absolutely blah as far as fun driving goes.

Another reason for the console is a place for the cup holders.  Just
gotta have them as well as a good spot to put the oh so needed CP.
That's sarcasm for the impaired.

Harry K

Harry K
Ad absurdum per aspera - 15 Jun 2006 15:29 GMT
>>  I just can't see the point of having the center
>> consoles on practically all AT cars where they're clearly not needed...

Seems to have originated with 60s muscle/pony cars (perhaps for the
commonality with "four on the floor" models, as others have mentioned)
and then remained in some cars aspiring to a sporty look, eventually
becoming fairly mainstream.  As front bench seats became passe, it
became more feasible, of course.

Note also that many cars with column shift also have a console, though
at least it doesn't have a couple of sticks sticking out of it and thus
might be easier for the console-disliking crowd to live with.

> Chevy Impala doesn't have a console

Might be dependent upon trim level.  The interior shots on chevy.com
show it both ways.

> but it is not AWD and not a  particularly nice car to drive, either...

The agony and the ecstasy, or should that be the LTZ...   I put a good
bit of the first hundred miles on one that was new to our company fleet
(and thus was of course something close to a base model).  It had a
wonderfully roomy and comfy interior.  The engine (3.5 liter V6) was a
jewel, idling in silken silence yet quite adequate in power for normal
driving despite the size and weight of the car.  Very quiet at speed
too, letting you enjoy a radio that sounded great for a stock system in
a lower-trim-level car... once I figured out how to work its controls.
(Att'n designers everywhere:  How about one big knob for tuning, and
another big one for on-off-volume, and a small number of big buttons
for the presets?  That was an idea from older Impalas that actually
worked at 60 mph for those of us who don't have the eyes of a fighter
pilot, the hands of a brain surgeon, and the multitasking abilities of
these guys who keep a dozen chess games going at the same time.   But I
digress.)

The suspension and handling amounted to the only weakness -- they went
for the traditional large American cushmobile approach at the expense
of not only backroads tossability but also (more surprisingly)
straight-line stability.  Perhaps the right option packages make this
better (can you get a cop suspension or something?).  All in all, it
isn't bad, exactly; but if I had to choose something from our fleet to
buy as my own, I'd  rather have the last-year Taurus.  (For sure both
are  improvements over the Dodge Stratuses now aging out of the motor
pool...)

> what about the Ford 500?  base model still has the console?

That's an intriguing prospect to my tastes, and carries a 5-star crash
safety rating from all angles, as well as an AWD option. Alas, it seems
to have a console.  Might be worth looking in person at base models,
though.  

Cheers,
--Joe
Nate Nagel - 15 Jun 2006 16:17 GMT
>>> I just can't see the point of having the center
>>>consoles on practically all AT cars where they're clearly not needed...
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Might be dependent upon trim level.  The interior shots on chevy.com
> show it both ways.

I think you're right; mine is a base model and I think the more
"upscale" models may very well have a console.  The shifter is clearly a
parts-bin item that I am guessing is common to the trucks; it's way too
big for the interior of the car and the steering wheel.  ISTR that only
the lower trim levels even get the column shift.

>>but it is not AWD and not a  particularly nice car to drive, either...
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> driving despite the size and weight of the car.  Very quiet at speed
> too,

You must have driven an '06 and if that is the case then I better put
some more miles on my '05 so I can trade it in.  I would disagree with
every single one of your comments; my '05 has the base 3.4 liter engine
and it is anemic, thrashy, sounds like I'm abusing the poor thing (and I
probably am) just to keep up with normal DC-area traffic.  And, of
course, it sounds exactly like the GM 2.8 derivative that it is - that
is to say, like an old Celebrity, or in other words, like sh.t.

> letting you enjoy a radio that sounded great for a stock system in
> a lower-trim-level car... once I figured out how to work its controls.
> (Att'n designers everywhere:  How about one big knob for tuning, and
> another big one for on-off-volume, and a small number of big buttons
> for the presets?  

The *controls* on the '05 radio are pretty straightforward, but the
sound is awful... it's like a Bose (all highs and lows) but even *more*
so; they obviously thought that boomin' bass was a good selling point.
It's listenable if you manually drop the bass down a couple notches
(ignore the stock preset EQ curves) but even so it's a bit boomy.  And
the CD player for some reason will not play my copy of Cake's "Fashion
Nugget" which in and of itself is a reason to hate it :)

> That was an idea from older Impalas that actually
> worked at 60 mph for those of us who don't have the eyes of a fighter
> pilot, the hands of a brain surgeon, and the multitasking abilities of
> these guys who keep a dozen chess games going at the same time.   But I
> digress.)

Another nice feature of the '05 is the speed-sensitive volume control -
it attempts to compensate for the gawdawful 3.4...

> The suspension and handling amounted to the only weakness -- they went
> for the traditional large American cushmobile approach at the expense
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> are  improvements over the Dodge Stratuses now aging out of the motor
> pool...)

Bite your tongue... I wouldn't wish a Taurus transmission on my worst
enemy.  I agree about the suspension - it pushes and eats tires - but
the straight line stability I haven't had a problem with.  Of course we
are comparing apples and oranges because I'm inferring from your
comments about the 3.5 that you are talking about the '06 and I have
only driven the '05.  And, of course, my bases for comparison are my 944
which has a HUGE scrub radius (good for quick turn in, not so good for
stability - you have to keep on top of it) and my old Studebakers which
don't really have any sort of appreciable caster at all (this was in an
era where power steering was a luxury, remember)

Of course, this is all irrelevant to the OP because he's looking for AWD :)

>>what about the Ford 500?  base model still has the console?
>
> That's an intriguing prospect to my tastes, and carries a 5-star crash
> safety rating from all angles, as well as an AWD option. Alas, it seems
> to have a console.  Might be worth looking in person at base models,
> though.  

yeah, that's why I mentioned it.  I find cars like this fairly
unappealing, so I don't know that I've ever been curious enough to look
inside one.  Were it not for my job I probably would never have driven
an Impala; I'm much more of a small, sporty-car kind of guy.  When I
think "AWD" I think "Audi" and AFAIK they all have floor shifts.

Aren't some of the larger Chrysler models available with AWD as well?
300 maybe?

nate

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Ad absurdum per aspera - 15 Jun 2006 21:43 GMT
> You must have driven an '06 and if that is the case then I better put
> some more miles on my '05 so I can trade it in.

I'm sure it's an '06 model, as it didn't appear in the parking lot
until well into calendar '06.   Didn't realize there might be
differences of near-generational proportions between that and the '05.

> Aren't some of the larger Chrysler models available with AWD as well? 300 maybe?

Good point; I think the V6 model is available with AWD and so is the
Pacifica.  Dunno where the shifter is on either one, but they're
definitely spacious (and spendy) vehicles...

--Joe
Motorhead Lawyer - 16 Jun 2006 20:05 GMT
> Good point; I think the V6 model is available with AWD and so is the
> Pacifica.  Dunno where the shifter is on either one, but they're
> definitely spacious (and spendy) vehicles...

While the Pacifica is a 2x2x2-seater, I think the extra space it has
might solve your problem anyway.  ISTR base price is mid-20s.  Plus,
D-C seems to be 'blowing 'em out' right now.  0% apr for 60 months,
etc. ...
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C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
Mark Hewitt - 15 Jun 2006 12:22 GMT
> I just can't see the point of having the center
> consoles on practically all AT cars where they're clearly not needed...
> would be nice to at least have a choice.

Probably because the basic design is also used for MT cars and so it's much
cheaper to reuse the area where the normal gearstick would go.
 
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