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Michigan now has ZERO-TOLERANCE policy on pot smoking drivers
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 23 Jun 2006 20:18 GMT We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero tolerance. Stop coddling these killers.
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Drivers take hit over pot smoking
Motorists can be prosecuted for driving under the influence of drugs if they test positive for any trace of marijuana, even weeks after they smoked it, the Michigan Supreme Court has ruled.
In a 4-3 vote, the court ruled that motorists can be prosecuted for driving under the influence of drugs if they test positive for any trace of marijuana, including a metabolized remnant that experts say can stay in a person's system for weeks after the smoke.
"They are automatically guilty even though they are no longer impaired by it," said Tim Beck, executive director of the Michigan chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, which wants the drug legalized, taxed and regulated for adult use as alcohol is. "It's not based on common sense or justice."
Officers still need probable cause to believe a crime was being committed before they can request a blood test, but motorists who refuse could be found guilty of a civil infraction and lose their license. Officers can compel a blood sample if a judge approves a search warrant for it.
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spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 23 Jun 2006 20:24 GMT > Motorists can be prosecuted for driving under the influence of drugs > if they test positive for any trace of marijuana, even weeks after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > trace of marijuana, including a metabolized remnant that experts say > can stay in a person's system for weeks after the smoke. Driving under the influence of a drug- bad.
This law- bad as well.
This is saying you can be charged with driving under the influence, even if you are not under the influence.
You'd have to be a jack-booted nazi thug lunatic dipshit a.shole fuckwad moron best-part-of-you-ran-down-you-mother's-leg douchebag to support that provision of this law.
So, your support is a natural.
Dave
necromancer - 23 Jun 2006 23:01 GMT > said in rec.autos.driving: > You'd have to be a jack-booted nazi thug lunatic dipshit a.shole > fuckwad moron best-part-of-you-ran-down-you-mother's-leg douchebag to > support that provision of this law. Apparently there are quite a few of them in MI.
Larry Bud - 23 Jun 2006 20:32 GMT > We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > if they test positive for any trace of marijuana, even weeks after > they smoked it, the Michigan Supreme Court has ruled. Ridiculous law. The whole point is that the driver is NOT under the influence if it was "weeks after they smoked it". The law is driving under the influence, not "driving weeks after you smoke a joint".
The MSC must have been high when they came down with this ruling.
morticide - 23 Jun 2006 20:49 GMT > > We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > > tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > The MSC must have been high when they came down with this ruling. Hmmm...had that happened in Sacramento, would that clear up a lot of the California traffic gridlock? Just a thought...
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 02:38 GMT >> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >The MSC must have been high when they came down with this ruling. Your point can be made about ALL drug laws. Someone sitting in their house shooting heroin is not endangering anyone - but it's still illegal. THINK
Larry Bud - 25 Jun 2006 02:45 GMT > >> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > >> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > house shooting heroin is not endangering anyone - but it's still > illegal. THINK So your solution is to pass another bad law on top of other bad laws? What kind of f.cking logic is that?
Aunt Judy likes it in the rear - 26 Jun 2006 04:55 GMT > > >> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > > >> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > So your solution is to pass another bad law on top of other bad laws? > What kind of f.cking logic is that? The kind of logic possessed by an individual who will never be promoted off the fry vat?
Nate Nagel - 23 Jun 2006 22:48 GMT How about zero tolerance for stupid?
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> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > (snip)
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necromancer - 23 Jun 2006 23:24 GMT On June 23td, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE took timeout from being butt-f.cked by a goat to say this in rec.autos.driving:
> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > tolerance. With certain well connected politicians excepted. Right?
> Stop coddling these killers. Unless the criminal's name is Kennedy. Right, El Fago?
Go get f.cked by a goat, you hypocrite.
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Dave Head - 23 Jun 2006 23:50 GMT >We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. Ur gonna fail this test for weeks after going to a rock concert just because of the 2nd hand smoke.
Dave Head
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 02:41 GMT >>We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >>tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Dave Head Then it's still your fault for hanging around pot-heads. Drugged drivers are killers and maimers and i want them stopped not coddled.
Ronnie Dobbs - 24 Jun 2006 06:15 GMT >>> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >>> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Then it's still your fault for hanging around pot-heads. Drugged > drivers are killers and maimers and i want them stopped not coddled. The government doesn't have the right to say you cannot attend concerts. If they do that, they should pass a "no trolling" law and throw your sorry a.s in the hoosegow.
bill - 24 Jun 2006 11:44 GMT Hey Laura, Since you catalogue every single road accident in the Western World, could you tell me how many deadly crashes have been blamed on a pot-smoking driver? I've never heard of any, but I'm sure in your database you must have some information. Thanks, and have a great day.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 16:07 GMT >Hey Laura, >Since you catalogue every single road accident in the Western World, >could you tell me how many deadly crashes have been blamed on a >pot-smoking driver? I've never heard of any, but I'm sure in your >database you must have some information. >Thanks, and have a great day. There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error.
Scott en Aztlán - 24 Jun 2006 17:44 GMT >There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error. You're driving on the 105 through South Central. A gang-banger, who was shooting at a Crip with an Uzi 9mm, accidentally shoots you in the head with a stray bullet. You lose control of your car and crash into 7 other vehicles.
What was your "driver error?"
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 19:52 GMT >>There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What was your "driver error?" HAHAHAHA. And how many times has that scenario happened, you nitwit? Would you be happier if i said 99.99999% of crashes are due to driver error? HAHAHA
Matthew Russotto - 25 Jun 2006 20:04 GMT >>There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What was your "driver error?" Driving through South Central.
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Aunt Judy likes it in the rear - 26 Jun 2006 04:58 GMT > >There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What was your "driver error?" Trivial: driving through south central.
You make this *WAY* too easy.
Scott en Aztlán - 26 Jun 2006 15:21 GMT >> >There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >You make this *WAY* too easy. OK, so how the f.ck am I supposed to get to LAX?!?!?!!?
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Arif Khokar - 26 Jun 2006 19:37 GMT > On 25 Jun 2006 20:58:04 -0700, troll #2 wrote:
> >> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:07:43 GMT, troll wrote:
> >> >There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error.
> >> You're driving on the 105 through South Central. A gang-banger, who > >> was shooting at a Crip with an Uzi 9mm, accidentally shoots you in the > >> head with a stray bullet. You lose control of your car and crash into > >> 7 other vehicles. > >> > >> What was your "driver error?"
> >Trivial: driving through south central. > > > >You make this *WAY* too easy.
> OK, so how the f.ck am I supposed to get to LAX?!?!?!!? Simple: Drive to another airport and fly to LAX ;)
bill - 25 Jun 2006 11:03 GMT > >Hey Laura, > >Since you catalogue every single road accident in the Western World, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > There are no road "accidents". It's always due to driver error. OK. Then could please tell me how many driver-error crashes were the result of the driver at fault being high on pot please. Thank you.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Jun 2006 02:09 GMT >> >Hey Laura, >> >Since you catalogue every single road accident in the Western World, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >OK. Then could please tell me how many driver-error crashes were the >result of the driver at fault being high on pot please. Thank you. Happens every day. Why do you defend drugged driving.?
Ronnie Dobbs - 26 Jun 2006 02:16 GMT >>>> Hey Laura, >>>> Since you catalogue every single road accident in the Western [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Happens every day. Then prove it.
>Why do you defend drugged driving.? Why are you the lamest troll ever on MTR? You make me miss Tom From Ohio. At least he was funny at times.
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bill - 26 Jun 2006 02:55 GMT > Happens every day. Could you please document some? Since it happens everday, that should be easy. Thanks
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Jun 2006 16:15 GMT >> Happens every day. > >Could you please document some? Since it happens everday, that should >be easy. >Thanks You defend drugged drivers because YOU are one.
bill - 26 Jun 2006 18:44 GMT > >> Happens every day. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You defend drugged drivers because YOU are one. No I'm not. Why would you say such a thing? Just because I don't buy your arguments hook, line and sinker? So anyway, have you had any luck coming up with examples of crashes caused by motorists being high on marijuana? Please post your results.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Jun 2006 20:49 GMT >> >> Happens every day. >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >caused by motorists being high on marijuana? >Please post your results. I already told you - happens every day. THINK
necromancer - 26 Jun 2006 20:52 GMT > laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said in rec.autos.driving: > I already told you - happens every day. THINK Your word means sh.t. Back up your assertations or STFU!
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bill - 26 Jun 2006 21:47 GMT have you had any luck coming up with examples of crashes
> >caused by motorists being high on marijuana? > >Please post your results. > > I already told you - happens every day. THINK Think? I asked for specific examples and you say "it happens every day"; I would like to see information about crashes that were the result of the person who caused said crash being high on pot. It's a very simple request. Telling me that it happens everyday is not acceptable. Please produce results. Thanks.
John Smith - 26 Jun 2006 23:06 GMT > have you had any luck coming up with examples of crashes >> >caused by motorists being high on marijuana? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > request. Telling me that it happens everyday is not acceptable. > Please produce results. Thanks. Just Google marijuana car crash - 3.1 million hits.
Here are the first few. Carry on!
Marijuana use and car crash injury File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Findings Acute marijuana use was significantly associated with car crash ... use of marijuana is strongly associated with car crash injury. ... www.colostate.edu/Dept/CFDAE/marijuanaarticle.pdf - Similar pages
Newstrack | world news | Miscellaneous | Cannabis increases car ... "This suggests that interventions targeting high risk marijuana use groups may ... Cannabis increases car-crash risk. Heavy cannabis users are 10 times more ... news.codewind.com/news/view/20050430/123456/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis increases car-crash risk Heavy cannabis users are 10 times more likely to be injured, or to injure others, in car accidents, researchers find. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4498419.stm - 32k - Cached - Similar pages
The Epoch Times | Cannabis Can Double Fatal Car Crash Risk Cannabis Can Double Fatal Car Crash Risk. Reuters. Dec 02, 2005. A study shows that smoking marijuana while driving is dangerous. (Ron Wurzer/Getty Images) ... www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-12-2/35291.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
Keyword: Marijuana/Car Accident... Marijuana · Car Accident ... Wall Briefcase Broken Back Bulimia Burglary Cable Guy Cancer Cannabis (3) Cannibalism Car Crash Car Smashing Castration Threat ... www.imdb.com/keyword/marijuana/car-accident/ - 68k - Jun 25, 2006 - Cached - Similar pages
Marijuana Raises Risk of Fatal Car Crash People who drive after using marijuana are nearly twice as likely to be involved in a fatal car crash. www.webmd.com/content/article/115/111967.htm - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
Marijuana use and car crash injury.
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bill - 27 Jun 2006 01:21 GMT > Just Google marijuana car crash - 3.1 million hits. > > Here are the first few. Carry on! snipped...
Three of the links you posted are of "Studies", two of which are of the same study. The fourth is, for some reason, a to a broken imdb page. I was looking for actual stories where pot was the ONLY reason someone was involved in a crash. Not that they were drunk AND on marijuana.
John Smith - 27 Jun 2006 23:30 GMT >> Just Google marijuana car crash - 3.1 million hits. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I was looking for actual stories where pot was the ONLY reason someone > was involved in a crash. Not that they were drunk AND on marijuana. Did you do a google on "marijuana car crash" ? Why do you want someone to do the work for you? Smokin a little too much weed and don't have the energy? LOL That was a joke, don't get upset. Just do the search and you can then pick and choose the articles that back you up - like all good usenet posters do.
Carry on!
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Pat O'Connell - 27 Jun 2006 01:59 GMT >>> >> Happens every day. >>> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I already told you - happens every day. Ms Diarya:
If that's the case then you need to back it up.
Provide a citation--that means real data from a real, juried (that means reviewed by a committee of peers, not a trial jury, not because you think it ought to be true) statistical study. Otherwise you've pulled that "fact" out of nowhere and you have no proof.
I don't drink and drive, and I've never done drugs other than ones prescribed to me, and I don't drive if the prescription label says not to drive while taking that drug. What's offending me is your assertion without any proof. That makes you one of these:
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/furioustyper.htm
If you look into it further, I think you'll find out that accidents caused by alcohol greatly outnumber the accidents caused by other drugs.
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 16:06 GMT >>>> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >>>> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >they do that, they should pass a "no trolling" law and throw your sorry a.s >in the hoosegow. No one is saying you can't go to a concert. But if you do and there's a lot of pot in the air, then don't drive for a few weeks.
Ronnie Dobbs - 24 Jun 2006 00:47 GMT > We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > if they test positive for any trace of marijuana, even weeks after > they smoked it, the Michigan Supreme Court has ruled. What a bunch of fascist crap.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 02:47 GMT >> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >What a bunch of fascist crap. Nope - drugged/drunk drivers are the only drug users that should be locked up. They are killers and maimers and you are a coddler.
GK - 24 Jun 2006 03:47 GMT >>>We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >>>tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Nope - drugged/drunk drivers are the only drug users that should be > locked up. They are killers and maimers and you are a coddler. BS, smoking weed should be made mandatory for fools like you.
GK
Ronnie Dobbs - 24 Jun 2006 05:00 GMT >>> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >>> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Nope - drugged/drunk drivers are the only drug users that should be > locked up. They are killers and maimers and you are a coddler. Cannabis' effects last for about an hour. The substance remains in fat cells for up to a month or more, long after the effects are gone. This is like arresting somebody for drinking a beer a week ago.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 16:05 GMT >>>> We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero >>>> tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >cells for up to a month or more, long after the effects are gone. This is >like arresting somebody for drinking a beer a week ago. So why are people thrown in prison for using illegal drugs in their own home. They endanger no one by that?
Scott en Aztlán - 24 Jun 2006 17:48 GMT >So why are people thrown in prison for using illegal drugs in their >own home. They endanger no one by that? I think the problems arise when illegal drug users leave their homes and break into the homes of other people, searching for saleable items they can steal and fence to purchase their next fix.
Personally, I like the Tom Leykis plan of placing addicts into a government-sponsored shooting gallery and giving them as much drugs as they want for free. This completely eliminates the criminal aspects of illegal drug use and ultimately the problem solves itself.
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 19:53 GMT >>So why are people thrown in prison for using illegal drugs in their >>own home. They endanger no one by that? > >I think the problems arise when illegal drug users leave their homes >and break into the homes of other people, searching for saleable items >they can steal and fence to purchase their next fix. So you admit they're not harming a soul when in their own home shooting up. And yet you want them thrown in prison for that. THINK
Ronnie Dobbs - 25 Jun 2006 02:00 GMT >> Cannabis' effects last for about an hour. The substance remains in >> fat cells for up to a month or more, long after the effects are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So why are people thrown in prison for using illegal drugs in their > own home. They endanger no one by that? Because the laws are unjust.
khjc@jersey.net - 24 Jun 2006 14:08 GMT > We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > (snip) You would give your grandmother the electric chair if she forgot to put a quarter in the parking meter, wouldn't you?
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 24 Jun 2006 16:03 GMT >You would give your grandmother the electric chair if she forgot to put >a quarter in the parking meter, wouldn't you? I don't coddle killers and maimers.
jcr - 25 Jun 2006 14:48 GMT > On 6/24/2006 11:03 AM ... laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote: > >> You would give your grandmother the electric chair if she forgot to put >> a quarter in the parking meter, wouldn't you? > > I don't coddle killers and maimers. So does that mean you're in jail right now for doing 45MPH in a 25MPH school zone?
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Jun 2006 02:07 GMT > > On 6/24/2006 11:03 AM ... laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >So does that mean you're in jail right now for doing 45MPH in a 25MPH >school zone? I've never speeded in my life. Prove i did
Aunt Judy likes it in the rear - 26 Jun 2006 05:01 GMT > > > On 6/24/2006 11:03 AM ... laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I've never speeded in my life. Prove i did So are you delusional, or just a liar? You've admitted on several circumstances to exceeding the posted speed limit. Anyone with a brain can dig up the messages, or if you'll like I'll be more than happy to pull the references from my PDA and post 'em for you.
Do you enjoy being proven a liar, retard?
necromancer - 26 Jun 2006 20:49 GMT > Aunt Judy likes it in the rear said in rec.autos.driving:
> So are you delusional, or just a liar? You've admitted on several > circumstances to exceeding the posted speed limit. Anyone with a brain > can dig up the messages, or if you'll like I'll be more than happy to > pull the references from my PDA and post 'em for you. > > Do you enjoy being proven a liar, retard? Beatcha' to it! ;-P
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necromancer - 26 Jun 2006 21:05 GMT > Aunt Judy likes it in the rear said in rec.autos.driving: > Do you enjoy being proven a liar, retard? Hey, Dave: Thinking of liars, I forgot to add that the new lits 'o luv is out on ne.weather.....
Aunt Judy likes it in the rear - 29 Jun 2006 22:38 GMT > > Aunt Judy likes it in the rear said in rec.autos.driving: > > Do you enjoy being proven a liar, retard? > > Hey, Dave: Thinking of liars, I forgot to add that the new lits 'o luv > is out on ne.weather..... Thanks for the heads up!
necromancer - 26 Jun 2006 20:48 GMT > laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said in rec.autos.driving: > I've never speeded in my life. Prove i did Your admission:
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Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought."
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Larry Bud - 25 Jun 2006 02:47 GMT > You would give your grandmother the electric chair if she forgot to put > a quarter in the parking meter, wouldn't you? If only that scenario played out about 75 years ago.
scooter34 - 26 Jun 2006 16:07 GMT > We need the same attitude towards drivers and alcohol - Zero > tolerance. Stop coddling these killers. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > (snip) Here's the rest of the article that Laura snipped - showing a little more common sense, as both drivers were within several hours of smoking pot when causing an accident:
"The ruling stemmed from two cases. In the first case, a woman admitting smoking marijuana four hours before she crossed into oncoming traffic on a snowy road, striking another vehicle. That car's front-seat passenger was killed and three children were injured. In the second case, a man stopped for erratic driving admitted smoking marijuana 30 minutes before.
In both cases, blood tests found 11 carboxy-THC, a byproduct created when the human body metabolizes marijuana. The ruling turned on the court's interpretation of the law that prohibits driving under the influence of drugs.
The four justices in the majority -- Maura Corrigan, Stephen Markman, Clifford Taylor and Robert Young -- concluded that 11 carboxy-THC is a drug under the law even though experts testified that it has "no pharmacological effect on the body and its level in the blood correlates poorly, if at all, to an individual's level of THC-related impairment."
The experts also testified that the chemical can only come from ingesting THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. The majority based its conclusion on the Legislature's definition of marijuana, which includes cannabis and "derivatives" of it.
Justice Michael Cavanagh called the ruling unconstitutionally vague. He cited expert testimony that noted the substance can be detected in a person's system for up to four weeks after being ingested -- long after its effects have worn off.
"Plainly, there is no rational reason to charge a person who passively inhaled marijuana smoke at a rock concert a month ago," Cavanagh wrote in a dissent joined by Justices Elizabeth Weaver and Marilyn Kelly. "Now, if a person has ever actively or passively ingested marijuana and drives, he drives not knowing if he is breaking the law, because if any amount of 11 carboxy-THC can be detected -- no matter when it was previously ingested -- he is committing a crime.
State drug prevention experts said the ruling could cause people to think more seriously about the effects of drug use.
"I think the ruling could be one more arrow in our quiver in the message we send to young people," said Donald Allen, director of the state's office of drug control policy. "Most kids don't think about how long this is in their system."
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Jun 2006 20:51 GMT >Here's the rest of the article that Laura snipped - showing a little >more common sense, as both drivers were within several hours of smoking [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > >scooter34 Bottom line. Drugged drivers are killers and maimers same as drunk drivers. Stop coddling these psychopaths and lock them up or at least take away their DL.
khjc@jersey.net - 26 Jun 2006 23:45 GMT > >Here's the rest of the article that Laura snipped - showing a little > >more common sense, as both drivers were within several hours of smoking [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > drivers. Stop coddling these psychopaths and lock them up or at least > take away their DL. OK, yeah, for something that occured 4 hours ago and directly can be attributed to causing the crash. But 3 or 4 weeks ago???
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 27 Jun 2006 02:49 GMT >> On 26 Jun 2006 08:07:34 -0700, "scooter34"
>> Bottom line. Drugged drivers are killers and maimers same as drunk >> drivers. Stop coddling these psychopaths and lock them up or at least >> take away their DL. > >OK, yeah, for something that occured 4 hours ago and directly can be >attributed to causing the crash. But 3 or 4 weeks ago??? People get imprisoned every day for merely possessing illegal drugs without even the potential of harming someone. So why do you insist that pothead drivers can only be locked up if they crash into someone.
khjc@jersey.net - 27 Jun 2006 04:32 GMT > >> On 26 Jun 2006 08:07:34 -0700, "scooter34" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > without even the potential of harming someone. So why do you insist > that pothead drivers can only be locked up if they crash into someone. Because they're not possessing.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 27 Jun 2006 06:59 GMT >> >> On 26 Jun 2006 08:07:34 -0700, "scooter34" >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Because they're not possessing. But why is possession without harming anyone enough to throw a guy in prison???? With pot smoking drivers you insist that they actually cause a crash before anything be done to them. THINK
khjc@jersey.net - 28 Jun 2006 03:40 GMT > >> >> On 26 Jun 2006 08:07:34 -0700, "scooter34" > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > prison???? With pot smoking drivers you insist that they actually > cause a crash before anything be done to them. THINK Ok..I'll think. OK. I thought. You're an a.shole. Thanks for bringing that to light.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 28 Jun 2006 05:25 GMT >> But why is possession without harming anyone enough to throw a guy in >> prison???? With pot smoking drivers you insist that they actually >> cause a crash before anything be done to them. THINK > >Ok..I'll think. OK. I thought. You're an a.shole. Thanks for >bringing that to light. I'm an a.shole?? Do you know who you're talking to?
necromancer - 28 Jun 2006 13:18 GMT > laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE said in rec.autos.driving: > I'm an a.shole?? The assessment of "khjc@jersey.net," confirmed. That poster speaks TRVTH!
> Do you know who you're talking to? Yes. We are talking to you, a.shole.
dougwill2001@yahoo.com - 27 Jun 2006 17:51 GMT Why should any one be punished for such laws that were passed without properly amending the U.S. Constitution? You do remeber that manufacture, sale, and trasnportation of alcoholic beverages was made illegal by amending the Constitution.
But the drug laws -- aka the neo-Inquisition/Tobacco mercantilism statutes -- lack any such amendment and must fail under the 9th Amendment (if only the Courts would acknowledge its existance).
Douglas A. Willinger http://wwwsouthcapitolstreet.blogspot.com/
> >> On 26 Jun 2006 08:07:34 -0700, "scooter34" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > without even the potential of harming someone. So why do you insist > that pothead drivers can only be locked up if they crash into someone. John Smith - 27 Jun 2006 23:35 GMT > Why should any one be punished for such laws that were passed without > properly amending the U.S. Constitution? You do remeber that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> without even the potential of harming someone. So why do you insist >> that pothead drivers can only be locked up if they crash into someone. OH NOOOOO - not another pot shouldn't be illegal thread!
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Gary V - 29 Jun 2006 12:11 GMT Please see this editorial in the Detroit News calling for a change in the law: http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/OPINION01/606280304/1008
Note that the Michigan Supreme Court did not create this situation. They only ruled on the language in the poorly-written law. As the editorial above states, it is up to the Legislature to change the law to a more reasonable standard of being impaired, rather than having trace elements in your body.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 29 Jun 2006 16:01 GMT >Please see this editorial in the Detroit News calling for a change in >the law: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to a more reasonable standard of being impaired, rather than having >trace elements in your body. Being impaired?? Do we do that with other drug laws? Does the state have to show you were impaired when they charge you with marijuana possession. ? Of course not. So why should they have to show impairment when the charge is DUI? You criminal coddlers can't think.
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 29 Jun 2006 18:00 GMT >............................................................. So why should they have to show > impairment when the charge is DUI? You criminal coddlers can't think. Because, you stupid, brainless, waste-of-protoplasm, without I M P A I R M E N T its not D U I.
Unbelieveable that someone could be so unfathomably stupid and yet manage to post.
Do you actually manage to feed yourself, or do you have help for that? I'm guessing the latter (and I'm betting you don't know what that means...)
dave
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 29 Jun 2006 18:27 GMT >>............................................................. So why should they have to show >> impairment when the charge is DUI? You criminal coddlers can't think. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >its not >D U I. Wrong again. DUI does not mean the state must show impairment. Obey the law.
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 29 Jun 2006 20:02 GMT > >>............................................................. So why should they have to show > >> impairment when the charge is DUI? You criminal coddlers can't think. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Wrong again. DUI does not mean the state must show impairment. Obey > the law. What the flying f.ck do you take "Under the Influence" to mean?
necromancer - 29 Jun 2006 20:44 GMT > said in rec.autos.driving: > What the flying f.ck do you take "Under the Influence" to mean? IME, to Loco Laura, it means "behind the wheel."
 Signature Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend foams like a Bartlo (and spelling or gramatical errors are left as is):
"Hey - necromancer is a criminal coddler. BTW the article says 4X and then it says the BAC was .187 which doesn't make much sense. Not that it matters. Drunk drivers who kill should get life wo parole."
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