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Parking lot car accident

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Courtney - 29 Nov 2006 01:24 GMT
I couldn't find a more appropriate place to post this, so hopefully
someone here can shed some light on my situation. Last Wednesday I was
involved in an accident, though it was in no way my fault. I had just
pulled into a Target parking lot and was not even 20 feet into the lot
when a car coming out of the parking lot to the side of the building,
came straight out and slammed right into my drivers side, T-boning me.
The road that I was driving on when I was hit was a road that went
directly in front of the whole strip center, and you could turn right
and go into the actual parking lanes or continue straight and go past
the shops in the strip center. Basically, a travel lane with stores on
my left and a parking lot to my right. The car that hit me came from a
parking lot to my left that was right beside Target. The main parking
lot was in front of the store but there was also a sort of overflow lot
on the other side, beside the building. This is where she came from,
apparently trying to exit the overflow lot and cross over the travel
road and go straight into the other parking lot.

So the lady T-boned me and we exchanged information and she never
admitted fault, though it was clear to me whose fault it was. The
police never came because it was considered private property.  I went
home and called both her insurance company and mine to file a claim.
Both my insurance company and her company tried to reach her to get her
side but were unsuccessul until yesterday (Monday).  Today when I
called to get the status, I was told by her insurance company that they
had reached her and still had not determined liability because, of
course, her story varied somewhat from mine and according to them, "in
a parking lot there is no right of way". She did not have a stop sign
and I did not have a stop sign. But isn't that common sense that if
someone is travelling through the main road in front of the stores and
someone is exiting a parking lot connected to that road, the person
exiting the lot would yield to the person on the main road?? Her
insurance company also told me that usually in parking lot situations
there is some sort of comparative negligence which would make us both
partially at fault. They said they are now trying to look at speed. I
don't see how that would even be the case or apply here! My drivers
side is entirely smashed in and the hood of her car is dented and has
some scuffs on it. I was not speeding, I had just entered the parking
lot. And even if I was, what does it matter? She still T-boned my car
plain as day. My car is left undriveable as I am unable to get into
either door on the drivers side. I have been unable to get a rental car
because I do not want to file a claim with my insurance company until
liability is established and her company of course won't pay for one
until that is established as well. And I am not about to fork out the
deductible on my policy for fear that I will never see it again.

If anyone can offer any advice or explain to me why they are telling me
the things that they are, I would very much appreciate it. It is so
frustrating to know that you are in the right and innocent in a
situation and may get screwed in the end. Thanks for any help.
Brent P - 29 Nov 2006 01:29 GMT
> If anyone can offer any advice or explain to me why they are telling me
> the things that they are, I would very much appreciate it. It is so
> frustrating to know that you are in the right and innocent in a
> situation and may get screwed in the end. Thanks for any help.

They are trying to screw you. File a claim with your insurance. They will
take care of the other insurance company. You'll get squat dealing with
the other person's insurance company yourself.
necromancer - 29 Nov 2006 02:24 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Courtney said in
rec.autos.driving:

<<snip>>

> So the lady T-boned me and we exchanged information and she never
> admitted fault, though it was clear to me whose fault it was. The
> police never came because it was considered private property.  I went

I've been in accidents on private property (both parking lots) twice. In
both instances, I demanded police reports and got them documenting the
fault of the other driver in the accidents. I don't know about your
state, but here in GA, if your damage is over (IIRC) $250.00, a police
report must be filed regardless of where the accident occurred; and in
both of my parking lot accidents, just the cost of the paint alone
exceeded that amount.

> home and called both her insurance company and mine to file a claim.
> Both my insurance company and her company tried to reach her to get her
> side but were unsuccessul until yesterday (Monday).  Today when I
> called to get the status, I was told by her insurance company that they
> had reached her and still had not determined liability because, of
> course, her story varied somewhat from mine and according to them,

This is why you should *always* get a police report in the event of a
collision. You are giving one account of the accident and the other
driver is telling the insurance company God only knows what; and the
insurance company is more than willing to use "God only knows what," to
weasel out of paying you for your damage.

> "in a parking lot there is no right of way".

Bull.  

> She did not have a stop sign and I did not have a stop sign.

A lot of parking lots don't have stop signs at the exit on to the main
highway that runs infront of the parking lot. Although we all know who
has the right of way there.  

> But isn't that common sense that if
> someone is travelling through the main road in front of the stores and
> someone is exiting a parking lot connected to that road, the person
> exiting the lot would yield to the person on the main road??

Yes.

> Her
> insurance company also told me that usually in parking lot situations
> there is some sort of comparative negligence which would make us both
> partially at fault.

Wrong. What about if you were driving down one of the lanes and she
backed out of a parking spot into you. Only a dishonest insurance
company would even try to say you were at fault (or even partially at
fault) in that situation.

> They said they are now trying to look at speed. I
> don't see how that would even be the case or apply here!

Ah, yes, the old bogey word, "speed." Their customer is at fault and
they know it. Now they are trying to weasel out of their obligations
with any excuse they can find.

> My drivers
> side is entirely smashed in and the hood of her car is dented and has
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> until that is established as well. And I am not about to fork out the
> deductible on my policy for fear that I will never see it again.

IME, you have two options now. (1) you can file a claim on your
insurance, get your car fixed and bite the bullet on the deductible
(ever consider what it is costing you to have your car inoperable during
this time?) and let your insurance company deal with the other insurance
company; or (2) get a lawyer and see if you can force the other company
(and/or the other driver) to pay for the damage.

Disclaimer: IANAL and any advice you get from me is worth what you paid
for it.

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jaybird - 29 Nov 2006 06:59 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Courtney said in
> rec.autos.driving:
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> both of my parking lot accidents, just the cost of the paint alone
> exceeded that amount.

Not here, regardless of demand.  If the damage is over $1000 here and on a
public roadway, that's the only way that a police report will be made.
Private parking lots do not get police reports unless a crime occured, such
as one of the drivers leaving the scene before exchanging required
information.

>> home and called both her insurance company and mine to file a claim.
>> Both my insurance company and her company tried to reach her to get her
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> insurance company is more than willing to use "God only knows what," to
> weasel out of paying you for your damage.

Insurance companies investigate collisions in far more detail than police
departments in cases like these where there is no criminal activity where
the police would get involved.

>> "in a parking lot there is no right of way".
>
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> Disclaimer: IANAL and any advice you get from me is worth what you paid
> for it.

To the OP:  Keep in mind that the views expressed in these newsgroups are
only individual opinion and are not always factual in all states.

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necromancer - 29 Nov 2006 12:42 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), jaybird said in
rec.autos.driving:
> > I've been in accidents on private property (both parking lots) twice. In
> > both instances, I demanded police reports and got them documenting the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> as one of the drivers leaving the scene before exchanging required
> information.

Go back and re-read where I said, "here in GA." Not all states are as
crook.... errrrrr..... business friendly as TX. You've had that radar
gun too close to your head for too long.

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jaybird - 29 Nov 2006 13:19 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), jaybird said in
> rec.autos.driving:
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> crook.... errrrrr..... business friendly as TX. You've had that radar
> gun too close to your head for too long.

I know exactly what you said, hence "Not here...".  I have just as much
right to explain my state's procedures as you do for yours.

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necromancer - 29 Nov 2006 12:48 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), jaybird said in
rec.autos.driving:
> Insurance companies investigate collisions in far more detail than police
> departments in cases like these where there is no criminal activity where
> the police would get involved.

Because the insurance company is looking for any excuse they can find to
weasel out of paying; just like in the OP's story. At least one would
hope that the cop would be an impartial investigator with out a
financial reason to sway fault one way or the other.

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jaybird - 29 Nov 2006 13:22 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), jaybird said in
> rec.autos.driving:
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> hope that the cop would be an impartial investigator with out a
> financial reason to sway fault one way or the other.

Aside from the issuance of a citation or other arrestable offense which may
have contributed, a collision becomes a civil matter and like it or not,
it's up to the insurance companies to make compensation.

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Scott en Aztlán - 29 Nov 2006 05:30 GMT
"Courtney" <CourtneyM79@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>So the lady T-boned me and we exchanged information and she never
>admitted fault, though it was clear to me whose fault it was. The
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>course, her story varied somewhat from mine and according to them, "in
>a parking lot there is no right of way".

In California, the vehicle code is enforceable in places like mall
parking lots where the public is explicitly invited to drive, even if
it is private property. Perhaps the same is true in your state?

As for the line of bullshit from her insurance company, sad to say
this is SOP for insurance companies. They will try every trick in the
book - including the dirty ones - to minimize the amount of money they
have to pay out.

If you have collision coverage on your car, you should file the claim
with your own insurance company and let them deal with hers. You may
have to pay a deductible up front, but you should be reimbursed when
the claim is finally settled. If you do not have collision coverage,
prepare for a lot of hassle, up to and including filing a lawsuit.

Good luck!
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