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Ticked off another LLBer today............

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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Dec 2006 02:19 GMT
On the way in to work, got stuck behind some dullard in vehicle owned
by the local cable company. The local cable company's office is
between a block and two blocks away from the city police department's
fuel depot, for those of you who read last week's adventure.

I "caught up" with Bob the retarded cable guy about 6 blocks away from
his home office. I speculated that Bob most likely was on his way in
to work, as he was in the left hand lane and had to turn right when he
arrived at his destination.

Since Bob the moron wasn't situationally aware, he was being
pico-passed by some more South Carolina retards on the right. Given my
speculation, I decided to take the right lane before Bob, and I took
it about two blocks from Bob's place of employment. I didn't bother to
allow enough space between the RLB and myself for Bob to cut me off,
so as we neared his destination he slowed and pulled in behind me.

After he successfully obtained his proper position, I hit the brake,
and began creeping along at 10mph through this 35mph zone.

For some reason, Bob didn't seem too happy. He couldn't pass me
because the line of traffic he had clogged up behind him when he was
in the left lane wasn't about to allow him back into that lane. Even
if it did, I would have sped up to prevent him from passing me, but I
digress.

For some reason, Bob must have been very happy that I took the time to
slow down and enjoy the view; when I looked back he was alternating
between waving with both hands, and occasionally he'd offer me a nice
California wave like in the "Beverly Hillbillies" movie. I just
returned his salutation and went about my business, although not
before kicking the accelerator as we approached his turnoff.

I hope Bob has a nice day, and I hope he doesn't do society any
disfavors by procreating.
Scott en Aztlán - 07 Dec 2006 03:29 GMT
"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>After he successfully obtained his proper position, I hit the brake,
>and began creeping along at 10mph through this 35mph zone.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>if it did, I would have sped up to prevent him from passing me, but I
>digress.

<High Five>

I doubt he learned anything from the experience, but turning the
tables is still sweet and very satisfying. ;)
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Harry K - 07 Dec 2006 03:53 GMT
Scott en Aztl?n wrote:
> "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
> Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> --
> I'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it!

Aye.  While revenge is satifying, it accomplishes nothing unless the
cause of the action is explained to them.  Just retaliating as above
doesn't explain to the LLB just why it was done.

Harry K
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Dec 2006 04:12 GMT
Someone wrote:

>Aye.  While revenge is satifying, it accomplishes nothing unless the
>cause of the action is explained to them.  Just retaliating as above
>doesn't explain to the LLB just why it was done.

I doubt the intelligence level of the average LLBer (much less one in
South Carolina) is high enough for them to comprehend why it was done.

Besides, these idiots around here are so stupid you've got to SHOW
them everything; they learn very little from listening.
necromancer - 07 Dec 2006 12:26 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy -
President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in
rec.autos.driving:

> On the way in to work, got stuck behind some dullard in vehicle owned
> by the local cable company. The local cable company's office is
> between a block and two blocks away from the city police department's
> fuel depot, for those of you who read last week's adventure.

<snip story>

Way to go, sticking it to the a.sholes! Double points for it being the
cable guy. ;)

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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Dec 2006 12:58 GMT
Someone wrote:

>Way to go, sticking it to the a.sholes! Double points for it being the
>cable guy. ;)

I guess now we know why they say "We'll be there between 8am Tuesday
and 5pm Friday."
Scott en Aztlán - 07 Dec 2006 15:54 GMT
necromancer <necromancer@kretp.tmy> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Way to go, sticking it to the a.sholes! Double points for it being the
>cable guy. ;)

Yeah - if anyone has a negative account balance in their Karma bank
account, it's cable company employees. :)
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Ed White - 07 Dec 2006 23:12 GMT
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:

> For some reason, Bob must have been very happy that I took the time to
> slow down and enjoy the view; when I looked back he was alternating
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I hope Bob has a nice day, and I hope he doesn't do society any
> disfavors by procreating.

This is madness. I don't know what disgusts me more, your actions or
the congratulations you received from three or four others. Two jerks
don't add up to one good driver. If you had just pulled away from the
guy everyone would have been better off - including you.

Ed
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 08 Dec 2006 00:25 GMT
Someone wrote:

>Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
>Mothers) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>don't add up to one good driver. If you had just pulled away from the
>guy everyone would have been better off - including you.

And your disgust affects me HOW?

And if THAT disgusted you, I'm sure you'll be appalled at what I did
to another LLBer this morning. That story soon to be posted.
Scott en Aztlán - 08 Dec 2006 05:30 GMT
"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>> For some reason, Bob must have been very happy that I took the time to
>> slow down and enjoy the view; when I looked back he was alternating
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>don't add up to one good driver. If you had just pulled away from the
>guy everyone would have been better off - including you.

How is this any different from what you have confessed to doing, i.e.
taking your own sweet time to get out of the way of faster traffic
wishing to get past you in the passing lane?
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C. E. White - 08 Dec 2006 14:07 GMT
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> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> taking your own sweet time to get out of the way of faster traffic
> wishing to get past you in the passing lane?

I can't imagine you guys are the ruthless jerks you portray yourselves are
in this newsgroup. Do you you really ride around harrasing other motorist
who don't conform to your "high performance" driving standards? Do you see
yourselves as some sort of Road Avengers, using your superior driving
abilities to harass truck drivers and little old ladies?

If you can't see the difference between someone legally completeing a pass
at a reasonable speed, and a jerk deliberately cutting someone off and then
slowing down just to harass them, then there is little hope for you.

Ed
Scott en Aztlán - 08 Dec 2006 15:55 GMT
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
rec.autos.driving:

First off, kindly stop putting your .signature at the top of your
posts - standard newsreaders consider everything after the
<dash><dash><space> line to be .signature and don't include it in the
quoted text when a reply is made.

>I can't imagine you guys are the ruthless jerks you portray yourselves are
>in this newsgroup. Do you you really ride around harrasing other motorist
>who don't conform to your "high performance" driving standards? Do you see
>yourselves as some sort of Road Avengers, using your superior driving
>abilities to harass truck drivers and little old ladies?

Interesting spin you put on Ted's story. How does turning the tables
on a SLoth LLB and giving them a taste of their own medicine
constitute "harrassment?" If anything is harrassing, it is the act of
needlessly blocking the passing lane.

>If you can't see the difference between someone legally completeing a pass
>at a reasonable speed, and a jerk deliberately cutting someone off and then
>slowing down just to harass them, then there is little hope for you.

Step back for a moment and think about the outrage you felt when you
read about what Ted did. Now you have a taste of what the people who
are trapped behind you while you execute your self-righteous Sloth
passes are feeling. Not very pleasant, is it?

No doubt both of the Sloths that Ted encountered had the same smug
"I'm going fast enough - f.ck everyone else" attitude. Bottom line, if
you don't want a bunch of angry drivers resorting to risky behavior to
escape being trapped behind you, and maybe dishing out a little
payback in the process, you can avoid the problem entirely by simply
staying out of other drivers' way.
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C. E. White - 08 Dec 2006 16:28 GMT
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
> rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> <dash><dash><space> line to be .signature and don't include it in the
> quoted text when a reply is made.

Sorry for the scrwew up

>>I can't imagine you guys are the ruthless jerks you portray yourselves are
>>in this newsgroup. Do you you really ride around harrasing other motorist
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> constitute "harrassment?" If anything is harrassing, it is the act of
> needlessly blocking the passing lane.

We only get Ted's side of the story, so of course he comes out looking good
(at least in his eyes).  For all we know the truck driver entered the street
from a left turn, was goign at or above the speed limit, and got trapped in
the left lane by the car in the right lane that was pacing him. I've often
seen people in the right lane pick-up speed to prevent people in the left
lane from moving over in a timely manner. I know you guys all feel that the
cable truck driver should have floored it and cut off the car in the right
lane, but if he did that, and then slowed down a block or two later to turn
off, what would the person in the right lane think?. Clearly slowing down
wasn't going to work with people like Ted moving into the right lane before
he could slow down enough to get behind the car in the right lane. Here is
another way the story might be told from the perspective of the cable truck
driver -

---start of hypothetical story from cable guys point of view

After turning left on to a busy four lane street, I couldn't move over to
the right because a car pulled up along side my fender. I thought about
speeding up and moving over, but felt this would be impolite since I needed
to turn off in a couple of blocks. When I tried to slow down to pull in
behind the car to my right, a car that had been tailgating me, pulled to the
right and blocked me from moving over. I slowed further and was finally was
able to move to the right. As soon as I did so, the car that cut me off
slowed to a crawl for no apparent reason. I indicated my displeasure with
hand gestures, but otherwise kept my cools. Eventually the jerk in the SUV
roared off.

---end of hypothetical story from cable drivers point of view

>>If you can't see the difference between someone legally completeing a pass
>>at a reasonable speed, and a jerk deliberately cutting someone off and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> are trapped behind you while you execute your self-righteous Sloth
> passes are feeling. Not very pleasant, is it?

You guys love to assign names to people -  sloth passer, pico passer, sloth
coaster, etc. I don't deliberately block people, I don't drive unreasonably
slow (actually I probably drive too fast most of the time), and I generally
keep right except to pass. I don't feel that I have to drive excessively
fast to complete a pass just because some uber driver thinks they are
competent to drive 90 mph in a 65 zone.

> No doubt both of the Sloths that Ted encountered had the same smug
> "I'm going fast enough - f.ck everyone else" attitude. Bottom line, if
> you don't want a bunch of angry drivers resorting to risky behavior to
> escape being trapped behind you, and maybe dishing out a little
> payback in the process, you can avoid the problem entirely by simply
> staying out of other drivers' way.

If Ted followed your advice, he would not have slowed down just to harass
the cable guy. He knew the cable guy need to move to the right, and
deliberately cut him off. If he had waited just a few seconds, the cable guy
would have moved over and Ted would have been able to go his merry way. For
someone who seems to be in a hurry all the time, and thinks ever second on
the road is wasted time, going out of the way to harass some poor cable guy
by slowing down seems like a symptom of some sort of mental problem.

Ed
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 09 Dec 2006 01:16 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
>> rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>hand gestures, but otherwise kept my cools. Eventually the jerk in the SUV
>roared off.

Wow, that's pretty stupid. Let's analyze your "hypothetical" story
with my recount of the incident.

Remember how I stated that I switched to the right lane in order to do
my little maneuver? Do you know WHY I was able to do that? Answer for
you: There wasn't a car in that position! Which means that the cable
truck driver could have slowed down and pulled right *MUCH* sooner
than he did. Instead, he traveled for a good 10 blocks, screwing up
traffic all around.

And incidently, I met up with the cable guy by merging onto the road
he was on. The only place he could have turned left onto this road,
coming from the direction he was coming from, was about 3/4 of a mile
up the road. If you read another post of mine regarding "I'm glad
stupid people die", it's the intersection where the truck driver
almost caused an ambulance with sirens and lights active to collide
with it.

>---end of hypothetical story from cable drivers point of view
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>fast to complete a pass just because some uber driver thinks they are
>competent to drive 90 mph in a 65 zone.

I don't believe the LLBers I contend with deliberately try to block
people, either. I just believe their oblivious to their surroundings.

>> No doubt both of the Sloths that Ted encountered had the same smug
>> "I'm going fast enough - f.ck everyone else" attitude. Bottom line, if
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>the road is wasted time, going out of the way to harass some poor cable guy
>by slowing down seems like a symptom of some sort of mental problem.

The cable guy had *AMPLE* opportunity (10 block's worth?) to move
right. He didn't. He wasn't passing, he was in the passing lane, and
he waited until almost the last possible minute to move to the right
lane to turn. His actions caused mine. I moved to the right lane to
pass because he forced me to, but then at the last minute I decided
not to pass, and to become a safe lane-blockin' driver. After all, I
wasn't speeding, so how could it have been unsafe?
websurf1@cox.net - 12 Dec 2006 03:16 GMT
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:

> The cable guy had *AMPLE* opportunity (10 block's worth?) to move
> right. He didn't. He wasn't passing, he was in the passing lane, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not to pass, and to become a safe lane-blockin' driver. After all, I
> wasn't speeding, so how could it have been unsafe?

Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:
> On the way in to work, got stuck behind some dullard in vehicle owned
> by the local cable company. The local cable company's office is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> allow enough space between the RLB and myself for Bob to cut me off,
> so as we neared his destination he slowed and pulled in behind me.

>From your original post:
>I didn't bother to
>allow enough space between the RLB and myself for Bob to cut me off,
>so as we neared his destination he slowed and pulled in behind me.
...
> After he successfully obtained his proper position, I hit the brake,
> and began creeping along at 10mph through this 35mph zone.

You deliberately, with malice and aforethought, attempted to pen him
in.
He went behind you, which was appropriate and safe. In your own words,
he was in his proper position.
And then you decided--with malice--to become the enemy you so
frequently whine about, and slowed to a crawl.

You can't even claim that you were unaware.  You intended to create a
problem.  And you did.
You lose your right to complain about other drivers.

> After he successfully obtained his proper position, I hit the brake,
> and began creeping along at 10mph through this 35mph zone.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 12 Dec 2006 04:38 GMT
Someone wrote:
>> After he successfully obtained his proper position, I hit the brake,
>> and began creeping along at 10mph through this 35mph zone.
>
>You deliberately, with malice and aforethought, attempted to pen him
>in.

Your point?

>He went behind you, which was appropriate and safe. In your own words,
>he was in his proper position.

He had the opportunity to do this a mile earlier; he didn't have to
pace the car beside him, doing less than the speed limit, creating a
cluster-f.ck of traffic on what is normally a sparsely populated road.

>And then you decided--with malice--to become the enemy you so
>frequently whine about, and slowed to a crawl.

Do you think he got the point?

>You can't even claim that you were unaware.  You intended to create a
>problem.  And you did.
>You lose your right to complain about other drivers.

Bullshit. He drove in a manner that created congestion and put
everyone else at risk. He didn't give a damned about anyone else but
himself, and I returned the favor. It's going to take someone a
helluva lot smarter than you to convince me I've lost my right to
complain.

Later moron!
Scott en Aztlán - 09 Dec 2006 05:45 GMT
"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
rec.autos.driving:

>I've often
>seen people in the right lane pick-up speed to prevent people in the left
>lane from moving over in a timely manner. I know you guys all feel that the
>cable truck driver should have floored it and cut off the car in the right
>lane

In your scenario, there's nothing wrong with slowing down and merging
in behind the asswipe. They usually aren't expecting that, and won't
react quickly enough to stop you (or won't care, since you're no
longer trying to get in front of them).

>Clearly slowing down
>wasn't going to work with people like Ted moving into the right lane before
>he could slow down enough to get behind the car in the right lane.

Clearly you weren't there, and this is all wild speculation on your
part. Not sure what the point is, other than to showcase your creative
abilities?

>After turning left on to a busy four lane street, I couldn't move over to
>the right because a car pulled up along side my fender.

Then why didn't you wait to make your tune until the lane you needed
to be in was clear, Mr. Cable Guy?

As an aside, I see this kind of stupid sh.t all the time: someone on a
side street waiting to make a turn will rushrushrush to make their
turn in the (too small) gap in front of my car, even though I am the
last car in line and there is nothing but open space behind me and
they could turn at their leisure. Some dickus did this to me tonight,
and to make things worse the impatient f.cker drove Slothily, never
even reaching the speed limit.

>I thought about
>speeding up and moving over, but felt this would be impolite

If you were so concerned about being polite, Mr. Cable Guy, you should
have waited. Or planned your route better so as not to have to make
impolite maneuvers.

>When I tried to slow down to pull in
>behind the car to my right, a car that had been tailgating me, pulled to the
>right and blocked me from moving over. I slowed further and was finally was
>able to move to the right. As soon as I did so, the car that cut me off
>slowed to a crawl for no apparent reason.

Maybe if you weren't so oblivious to your surroundings you'd
understand why the SUV driver was pissed at you.

>You guys love to assign names to people -  sloth passer, pico passer, sloth
>coaster, etc.

Yes, they are a convenient shorthand.

>I don't deliberately block people

Yes, you do.

>I don't drive unreasonably slow

That's the problem: your definition of "reasonable" isn't the same as
everyone else's. It's arrogant of you to think that you alone can
decide what constitutes "fast enough."

>I don't feel that I have to drive excessively
>fast to complete a pass just because some uber driver thinks they are
>competent to drive 90 mph in a 65 zone.

IOW, you deliberately block people. You're going "fast enough" - f.ck
everyone else. The sad part is, most of what you profess is excellent
driving behavior. It's just this one little quirk to your driving
personality that holds you back from greatness. :)

>If Ted followed your advice, he would not have slowed down just to harass
>the cable guy.

Ted merely threw in a pinch of payback. That's not something I usually
do - I prefer to get as far away from bad drivers as I can as quickly
as I can - but I fully understand his urge to do so.
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Ed White - 11 Dec 2006 21:11 GMT
> Clearly you weren't there, and this is all wild speculation on your
> part. Not sure what the point is, other than to showcase your creative
> abilities?

I said it was hypothetical. No one else was there but "Ted" and he
wrote the story to showcase what a jerk he could be. Why can't I make
up a version as well?

> Maybe if you weren't so oblivious to your surroundings you'd
> understand why the SUV driver was pissed at you.

I am not the cable driver. I just was reacting to the story of someone
who was proud of acting like a jerk.

> >You guys love to assign names to people -  sloth passer, pico passer, sloth
> >coaster, etc.
>
> Yes, they are a convenient shorthand.

I would say they are you way of demonizing people who don't react in
your approved manner. It is an old tactic used for thousands of year to
justify doing bad things to groups of people. This is a relatively mild
case, but you use it as an excuse for empowering yourself to treat
people badly. It would be bad to tailgate a little old lady, but who
can complain about you harrassing a sloth?

> >I don't deliberately block people
>
> Yes, you do.

Using your standards, everyone blocks people - after all people are on
your road and there is some chance that sometime, somewhere they may
slow you down for a micro second.  If not accelerating to 95 mph in
order to complete a pass 1 sec sooner makes me a "blocker" then I guess
I am.

You seem all for enforcing KREP rules (even when they don't exist in
the form you wish) and slower traffic keep right rules (again even when
they don't exist in the form you imagine) but you want to totally
ignore speed limits, anti-aggreesive driving rules, etc.

> >I don't drive unreasonably slow
>
> That's the problem: your definition of "reasonable" isn't the same as
> everyone else's. It's arrogant of you to think that you alone can
> decide what constitutes "fast enough."

You do it all the time. Why can't I? I'd say I am an 85th+ percentile
driver when it comes to speed.

> >I don't feel that I have to drive excessively
> >fast to complete a pass just because some uber driver thinks they are
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> driving behavior. It's just this one little quirk to your driving
> personality that holds you back from greatness. :)

I complete my passes in a timely manner. No law, or even polilte rule,
requires me to do more. If I am clearly passing a car (I mean clearly
passing, not "micro" or "pico" passing), then I am following the rules.
If I see a car rapidly approaching from the rear, it is my usual
practice to wait for them to pass me before I pass slower traffic.
Certainly there have been times when a car catches me befroe I complete
my pass. In the situations I finish my pass and move over as soon as
practical. Depending on the situation, I will likely kick my speed up
to my "personal" limit (speed limit plus 9 mph), but I don't feel that
I have to drive way over the posted limit becasue another driver isn't
worried about speeding tickets. Several things happen (all to
frequently) that piss me off. 1) The car I am attempting to pass speeds
up. 2) A car that is catching me, that I wait for, gets along side, and
then micro passes me or the car I am trapped behind. 3) Cars that blow
by me and then slow down so that I get caught behind them a few miles
down the road.

> Ted merely threw in a pinch of payback. That's not something I usually
> do - I prefer to get as far away from bad drivers as I can as quickly
> as I can - but I fully understand his urge to do so.

Payback like that is stupid. Suppose, accidentally or on purpose, the
cable guy had rammed Ted? Ted could have easily passed the guy on the
right (since he says there were no cars in the right lane). The whole
story boiled down to Ted trying to enforce a rule that may or may not
apply to the situation.

Ed
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 12 Dec 2006 02:07 GMT
Someone wrote:
>> Clearly you weren't there, and this is all wild speculation on your
>> part. Not sure what the point is, other than to showcase your creative
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>wrote the story to showcase what a jerk he could be. Why can't I make
>up a version as well?

Perhaps because you didn't witness the event?

And why am *I* the jerk? The dick head in the cable truck blocked
other people too. When he finally did pull in behind me, the traffic
he had built up behind him began to pass, preventing him from pulling
back into the passing lane to circumvent the rolling road block I had
created.

I live by the credo "do onto others as you would have them do unto
you," and I assume others do, too. As such, it became obvious to me
that Mr. Cable Guy wanted people to prevent him from driving safely
and efficiently.

>> Maybe if you weren't so oblivious to your surroundings you'd
>> understand why the SUV driver was pissed at you.
>
>I am not the cable driver. I just was reacting to the story of someone
>who was proud of acting like a jerk.

I blocked one person. Mr. Cable guy blocked a whole lot more than I
did. Why am I the jerk?

>> >You guys love to assign names to people -  sloth passer, pico passer, sloth
>> >coaster, etc.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>people badly. It would be bad to tailgate a little old lady, but who
>can complain about you harrassing a sloth?

The only people who will complain about harassing a sloth are the
sloths themselves. Certainly sheds some light onto your perspective,
eh?

>> >I don't deliberately block people
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>order to complete a pass 1 sec sooner makes me a "blocker" then I guess
>I am.

Mr. Cable Guy WASN'T ACCELERATING; he was traveling at the same speed
as the vehicle to his right. Do you have reading comprehension issues,
or are you just a moron?

>You seem all for enforcing KREP rules (even when they don't exist in
>the form you wish) and slower traffic keep right rules (again even when
>they don't exist in the form you imagine) but you want to totally
>ignore speed limits, anti-aggreesive driving rules, etc.

Perhaps that's because some people are smart enough to know that
"safe" and "legal" aren't synonyms? What, did you fail 3rd grade
vocabulary?

>> >I don't drive unreasonably slow
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>You do it all the time. Why can't I? I'd say I am an 85th+ percentile
>driver when it comes to speed.

Measure it.

>> >I don't feel that I have to drive excessively
>> >fast to complete a pass just because some uber driver thinks they are
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>requires me to do more. If I am clearly passing a car (I mean clearly
>passing, not "micro" or "pico" passing), then I am following the rules.

What if you're traveling the same speed as the vehicle you're beside?
For example, your front tires stay even with the front tires of the
vehicle you're beside? What kind of passing is that? Is it "micro" or
"pico" passing?

Since you obviously have a reading comprehension problem, let me
explain it to you again. MR. CABLE GUY WASN'T PASSING.

> If I see a car rapidly approaching from the rear, it is my usual
>practice to wait for them to pass me before I pass slower traffic.

Wow, you fooled me. This is a safe practice; I allow vehicles to pass
me in this manner on a regular basis.

>Certainly there have been times when a car catches me befroe I complete
>my pass. In the situations I finish my pass and move over as soon as
>practical. Depending on the situation, I will likely kick my speed up
>to my "personal" limit (speed limit plus 9 mph), but I don't feel that

Ooh, a "personal" limit that has a fixed offset from a regulatory
limit. Doesn't sound to me like you put a whole lot of thought into
safe driving.

>I have to drive way over the posted limit becasue another driver isn't
>worried about speeding tickets. Several things happen (all to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Payback like that is stupid. Suppose, accidentally or on purpose, the
>cable guy had rammed Ted? Ted could have easily passed the guy on the

My SUV is bigger than his truck, and had he rammed me, he wouldn't
have been going too fast when he did so. I *almost* came to a stop in
the middle of the road, as did he since I was a very slow rolling road
block. I knew the traffic he had blocked would not allow him back into
the passing lane, so I wanted him to receive a dose of his own
medicine.

>right (since he says there were no cars in the right lane). The whole

Uh, there *were* cars in the right lane when the episode began. When
Mr. Cable Guy decided to move into the appropriate lane at the last
minute, he de accelerated, breaking the bond he had with the car in
the right lane he was pacing. That's when I made my move.

>story boiled down to Ted trying to enforce a rule that may or may not
>apply to the situation.

Mr. Cable Guy could have easily avoided the situation; he decided not
to do so. Sucks to be him.

The best part of all of this is that my vehicle is a very common color
and year, at least for my area. I see at least four of them every
morning on my commute in. I've done nothing to personalize my vehicle,
so unless they get my tag number, there's no way for them to tell me
from any of the other similar vehicles on the road.
Scott en Aztlán - 12 Dec 2006 04:34 GMT
"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>> Clearly you weren't there, and this is all wild speculation on your
>> part. Not sure what the point is, other than to showcase your creative
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>wrote the story to showcase what a jerk he could be. Why can't I make
>up a version as well?

You are perfectly free to make up anything you like.

>> Maybe if you weren't so oblivious to your surroundings you'd
>> understand why the SUV driver was pissed at you.
>
>I am not the cable driver.

And I wasn't talking to you.

>> >You guys love to assign names to people -  sloth passer, pico passer, sloth
>> >coaster, etc.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>I would say they are you way of demonizing people who don't react in
>your approved manner.

Correction: SOCIETY'S approved manner. These people are failing to
show common courtesy to their fellow drivers. And they deserve
whatever demonization they get from those labels.

>you use it as an excuse for empowering yourself to treat
>people badly.

I never treat anyone worse than they treat me. I doubt Ted does,
either. He certainly gave as good as he got in those little incidents
he posted about.

>It would be bad to tailgate a little old lady, but who
>can complain about you harrassing a sloth?

As long as the Sloth drives slowly in the correct lane, nobody should
be harrassing her. It's when Sloths cross the line and become MFFYs,
blocking the passing lane (for exmaple) that they open themselves up
for "harrassment" (actually, what you are calling "harrassment" is
simply giving a MFFY a taste of his own medicine).

>> >I don't deliberately block people
>>
>> Yes, you do.
>
>Using your standards, everyone blocks people

But not everyone does it deliberately.

>You seem all for enforcing KREP rules (even when they don't exist in
>the form you wish) and slower traffic keep right rules (again even when
>they don't exist in the form you imagine) but you want to totally
>ignore speed limits, anti-aggreesive driving rules, etc.

I have nothing against properly set speed limits, and I am not an
aggressive driver. I am an ASSERTIVE driver - just about everyone
except Carl Troller (and, apparently, you) understands there's a
difference.

>> >I don't drive unreasonably slow
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>You do it all the time.

The difference between you and me is that my definition doesn't
needlessly block anybody.

>I complete my passes in a timely manner.
>No law, or even polilte rule, requires me to do more.

The Golden Rule of Driving ("I'll stay out of your way, just as I
would have you stay out of mine") requires you to do more. And it's
not a whole lot more than you are currently doing. As I said, you're
SO close - you just need to take that one additional tiny step.

>If I see a car rapidly approaching from the rear, it is my usual
>practice to wait for them to pass me before I pass slower traffic.

That's great!

>Certainly there have been times when a car catches me befroe I complete
>my pass.

Did you fail to prooperly judge the closing speed of the approaching
traffic? Or did you know that you were not going to complete your pass
by the time they caught up with you but you went anyway?

>In the situations I finish my pass and move over as soon as
>practical. Depending on the situation, I will likely kick my speed up
>to my "personal" limit (speed limit plus 9 mph), but I don't feel that
>I have to drive way over the posted limit becasue another driver isn't
>worried about speeding tickets.

Fine. Once you learn to judge the speed of other cars properly you
won't ever have to violate your personal speed limit AND you won't be
an LLB.

Why do you continue to fight this simple idea? If an "aggressive"
driver like me can do it, why can't you?

>Several things happen (all to
>frequently) that piss me off. 1) The car I am attempting to pass speeds
>up. 2) A car that is catching me, that I wait for, gets along side, and
>then micro passes me or the car I am trapped behind. 3) Cars that blow
>by me and then slow down so that I get caught behind them a few miles
>down the road.

This is why I prefer to speed up whenever possible. Unlike you, I
don't have any pre-set maximum speed (I'm like a rolling American
Express card :), so I'll speed up as much as necessary temporarily to
complete my pass without interfering with anyone else. I then slow
back down to my previous cruising speed. I've never gotten a ticket
while doing this.

>> Ted merely threw in a pinch of payback. That's not something I usually
>> do - I prefer to get as far away from bad drivers as I can as quickly
>> as I can - but I fully understand his urge to do so.
>
>Payback like that is stupid.

I didn't say I thought it was the best idea in the world; all I said
was I understand why he did it.

>Suppose, accidentally or on purpose, the
>cable guy had rammed Ted?

The cable guy would be at fault for the collision, and the very, very
rich cable company that the cable guy works for would have made Ted
very, very rich. :)

>The whole
>story boiled down to Ted trying to enforce a rule that may or may not
>apply to the situation.

The story boils down to Ted giving a MFFY a taste of his own medicine.
I have yet to hear about Ted "harrassing" anyone who did not harrass
him first.
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frank megaweege - 08 Dec 2006 16:34 GMT
Scott en Aztl?n wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
> rec.autos.driving:
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> staying out of other drivers' way.
> --

Life is so much easier when you stop thinking about what other drivers
are doing.  I used to get bent out of shape because of tailgaters and
such but now I only worry about myself.  I've also found it's good to
pass the time by messing around with the radio or phone or ipod.  I
always get to where I'm going eventually and most of the time I can't
remember the drive at all!  It's wonderful!
N8N - 08 Dec 2006 16:36 GMT
> > "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
> > rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Life is so much easier when you stop thinking about what other drivers
> are doing.

That's about the time that your risk of a wreck increases dramatically.

nate
frank megaweege - 08 Dec 2006 16:52 GMT
> > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
> > > rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> That's about the time that your risk of a wreck increases dramatically.

The beauty part is that I don't care because I'm somewhat suicidal.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 09 Dec 2006 01:17 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> > > "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in
>> > > rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
>The beauty part is that I don't care because I'm somewhat suicidal.

From your post, that's self-evident.
Brent P - 08 Dec 2006 16:51 GMT
> Life is so much easier when you stop thinking about what other drivers
> are doing.  I used to get bent out of shape because of tailgaters and
> such but now I only worry about myself.  I've also found it's good to
> pass the time by messing around with the radio or phone or ipod.  I
> always get to where I'm going eventually and most of the time I can't
> remember the drive at all!  It's wonderful!

So you became part of the problem. The rest of consider the task of
driving to be the center of our attention and what we wish to enjoy.

And low speed doesn't stop the aggrivation. Believe me. Sometimes I just
want to have a nice bicycle ride and be left alone and some driver through
purposeful act of harrassment, ignorance, and/or obliviousness (for lack
of a better term to create) make trouble for me.  

And when I'm driving, low speed makes it worse. My worst road encounters
seem to begin with 'I was just driving/bicycling along at a lesiurely
pace, minding my own business when....'.
frank megaweege - 08 Dec 2006 16:59 GMT
> > Life is so much easier when you stop thinking about what other drivers
> > are doing.  I used to get bent out of shape because of tailgaters and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> purposeful act of harrassment, ignorance, and/or obliviousness (for lack
> of a better term to create) make trouble for me.

I wouldn't do that.  I'm extra-cautious around bikes and pedestrians.
It's only other cars and trucks I try to ignore.
Brent P - 08 Dec 2006 18:27 GMT
>> And low speed doesn't stop the aggrivation. Believe me. Sometimes I just
>> want to have a nice bicycle ride and be left alone and some driver through
>> purposeful act of harrassment, ignorance, and/or obliviousness (for lack
>> of a better term to create) make trouble for me.

> I wouldn't do that.  I'm extra-cautious around bikes and pedestrians.
> It's only other cars and trucks I try to ignore.

The extra-cautious cause more problems sometimes... and people who ingore
other drivers are what lead to congestion as they are only concerned with
themselves and not making for a good flowing road.
Scott en Aztlán - 09 Dec 2006 05:49 GMT
"frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Life is so much easier when you stop thinking about what other drivers
>are doing.  I used to get bent out of shape because of tailgaters and
>such but now I only worry about myself.  I've also found it's good to
>pass the time by messing around with the radio or phone or ipod.  I
>always get to where I'm going eventually and most of the time I can't
>remember the drive at all!  It's wonderful!

<sniff> <sniff> I smell socks... Dirty, sweaty socks.
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necromancer - 10 Dec 2006 12:36 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán
said in rec.autos.driving:
> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

<<snip troller melt down>>

> <sniff> <sniff> I smell socks... Dirty, sweaty socks.

Me too. I thought he was going to "leave for good."  :)

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the rabid "slow = safe," nanny-nazis:

"I didn't realize this was some teenage head-butting contest. You just
made me sick enough to leave for good."
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Scott en Aztlán - 10 Dec 2006 17:12 GMT
necromancer <necromancer@kretp.tmy> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán
>said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Me too. I thought he was going to "leave for good."  :)

Perhaps he meant that *that particular sock* would be leaving for
good, i.e. that another nymshift was imminent?
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necromancer - 10 Dec 2006 19:07 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán
said in rec.autos.driving:
> necromancer <necromancer@kretp.tmy> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Perhaps he meant that *that particular sock* would be leaving for
> good, i.e. that another nymshift was imminent?

Let's just hope he doesn't have nyms like I have .sigs... Though, I
haven't tried to kill file him (yet). Dishing him a quick flame when he
spouts off his nonsense is quite the stress reliever.   ;)

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frank megaweege - 11 Dec 2006 14:24 GMT
Scott en Aztl?n wrote:
> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
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> <sniff> <sniff> I smell socks... Dirty, sweaty socks.
> --

I'm not whoever it is you think I am.  I was half joking above, but the
point is that there are plenty of drivers like I described and you'll
never be able to change that.
Scott en Aztlán - 11 Dec 2006 15:39 GMT
"frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>> <sniff> <sniff> I smell socks... Dirty, sweaty socks.
>
>I'm not whoever it is you think I am.

I guess the smell must just be lingering in the air then. Carl has so
many socks in here nowadays he's stinking up the whole place.

>I was half joking above, but the
>point is that there are plenty of drivers like I described and you'll
>never be able to change that.

It will change eventually - once cars are able to drive themselves.
Then people will be able to eat breakfast, put on makeup, futz with
the radio, and anything else they want, all without interfering with
other cars. The advent of computer-controlled cars will restore our
freeways to usability.
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 12 Dec 2006 02:08 GMT
Someone wrote:
>It will change eventually - once cars are able to drive themselves.
>Then people will be able to eat breakfast, put on makeup, futz with
>the radio, and anything else they want, all without interfering with
>other cars. The advent of computer-controlled cars will restore our
>freeways to usability.

And sink this country into even lower levels of idiocy. Oh well.
Scott en Aztlán - 12 Dec 2006 04:36 GMT
"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Someone wrote:
>>It will change eventually - once cars are able to drive themselves.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>And sink this country into even lower levels of idiocy. Oh well.

The idiocy level is already overwhelming - that's why we have traffic
congestion problems in the first place.
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 12 Dec 2006 12:49 GMT
Someone wrote:
>The idiocy level is already overwhelming - that's why we have traffic
>congestion problems in the first place.

Yer preachin' to the choir. :-)
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 09 Dec 2006 01:05 GMT
Someone wrote:

>I can't imagine you guys are the ruthless jerks you portray yourselves are
>in this newsgroup. Do you you really ride around harrasing other motorist
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>at a reasonable speed, and a jerk deliberately cutting someone off and then
>slowing down just to harass them, then there is little hope for you.

Obviously you don't know how to read; the driver of the econobox in
question wasn't passing. She pulled up beside the dump truck and paced
it.
Ashton Crusher - 12 Dec 2006 04:56 GMT
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:19:59 -0500, "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM
(Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com>
wrote:

>On the way in to work, got stuck behind some dullard in vehicle owned
>by the local cable company. The local cable company's office is
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>I hope Bob has a nice day, and I hope he doesn't do society any
>disfavors by procreating.

I haven't been trapped behind any LLBers in a while but what I have
done for amusement in the past when I am willing to invest the time,
is to watch their movements and when they appear to be getting ready
to exit to move to their right and pace them so they can't move toward
their exit.    Some are pretty dim-witted and it takes them a while to
figure out that others can play the "lets block people" game in other
then the left lane.  Its funny how when they need to get to their exit
they suddenly don't mind speeding up to *try* to pass their new found
sloth on their right.  With a suitable vehicle I can quickly match
their movements to keep them from passing or dropping back and force
them past their exit.  Then to really make it fun I try to get off at
the next exit before they are able to do so, leaving them miles out of
their way.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 12 Dec 2006 12:50 GMT
Someone wrote:
>I haven't been trapped behind any LLBers in a while but what I have
>done for amusement in the past when I am willing to invest the time,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>the next exit before they are able to do so, leaving them miles out of
>their way.

Nice solution.
Scott en Aztlán - 12 Dec 2006 14:53 GMT
Ashton Crusher <Hello@nowhere.net> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Its funny how when they need to get to their exit
>they suddenly don't mind speeding up to *try* to pass their new found
>sloth on their right.  

Amazing, isn't it, how Sloths and LLBs have no problem finding their
gas pedals when THEY want to get somewhere?

>Then to really make it fun I try to get off at
>the next exit before they are able to do so, leaving them miles out of
>their way.

Have you considered installing a MFFYCam to capture all the fun?
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frank megaweege - 12 Dec 2006 16:24 GMT
> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 21:19:59 -0500, "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM
> (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> the next exit before they are able to do so, leaving them miles out of
> their way.

Stop picking on hapless old ladies.
When someone won't let me get right the first option I take is to speed
up and move into another gap ahead.  That's almost always an elegant
and stress-free manuever.  If I'm boxed in I'll force my way in front
of the aggressive driver anyway.  Sure, they may go vein-popping
ballistic but they always back off when it's obvious that I'm coming
over no matter what.  I've never missed an exit in my life.
Scott en Aztlán - 13 Dec 2006 03:26 GMT
"frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Stop picking on hapless old ladies.

If the old lady is so hapless that she cannot drive competently, she
not only deserves to be picked on, she deserves to lose her driver's
license.

>If I'm boxed in I'll force my way in front
>of the aggressive driver anyway.  Sure, they may go vein-popping
>ballistic but they always back off when it's obvious that I'm coming
>over no matter what.

What sort of jalopy do you drive? '72 Impala? '73 Plymouth Fury III?
Rusty '68 Dodge Dart?
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frank megaweege - 13 Dec 2006 14:22 GMT
Scott en Aztl?n wrote:
> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
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> not only deserves to be picked on, she deserves to lose her driver's
> license.

If you took the licenses away from everyone who sometimes blocks the
left lane and are not good at merging there wouldn't be many drivers
left.  That may seem like nirvana to you, but it's never going to
happen.  Trying to "teach" others how to drive by being an a.s is
pathological behavior.  May as well go bang your head into a wall in
private where it won't bother anyone else.
You're a control freak and a few sessions with a decent therapist and
maybe some prescription meds could do wonders for your mental well
being.  I say that with only the best intentions.
N8N - 13 Dec 2006 14:28 GMT
> > "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> left lane and are not good at merging there wouldn't be many drivers
> left.

I'd be OK with that.  Driving correctly is not that difficult.  The
fact that a lot of people don't just proves that a lot of people
shouldn't be driving.

nate
Scott en Aztlán - 13 Dec 2006 15:29 GMT
"frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>> >Stop picking on hapless old ladies.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>left lane and are not good at merging there wouldn't be many drivers
>left.  

Fine by me.

>That may seem like nirvana to you, but it's never going to
>happen.  

Look back as few as 100 years and you'll find this was the norm. It
might take another 100 years, but it CAN and WILL change again - it
HAS to change, otherwise our roads will degenerate into complete
uselessness. Already the congestion is affecting commerce; there was
an article in the paper recently about an appliance repairman who used
to be able to get to 7 or 8 repair calls in a day, but now can only
get to four because traffic congestion has increased so much. We need
to find alternate ways for incompetent drivers to get around, and
FAST.

>You're a control freak and a few sessions with a decent therapist and
>maybe some prescription meds could do wonders for your mental well
>being.  I say that with only the best intentions.

And you're a nymshifting troll who is beyond help. I say that with the
same intentions as you.
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frank megaweege - 13 Dec 2006 17:03 GMT
Scott en Aztl?n wrote:
> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
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> HAS to change, otherwise our roads will degenerate into complete
> uselessness.

Lets say for a moment that you're right.  I can tell you this.  Posting
rants about every little move by another driver that annoys you won't
help.  Behavior like the op, who intentionally blocked traffic in a
moment of road rage, and then brags about that and gets support from
others who gleefully describe thier own glorious moments of road rage,
isn't going to help.  Those are unhealthy behaviors and potentially
dangerous to others.  Your crusade is misguided to say the least.

You know what I think would be good?  Required driver's ed in high
school.  Tougher licensing exams.  Periodic re-testing.  Better law
inforcement for infractions other than speeding.  And yet I drive to
get wherever the hell I'm going and don't get in a snit and do
something stupid every time another vehicle doesn't move in exactly the
way I would like it to.

Already the congestion is affecting commerce; there was
> an article in the paper recently about an appliance repairman who used
> to be able to get to 7 or 8 repair calls in a day, but now can only
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> And you're a nymshifting troll who is beyond help. I say that with the
> same intentions as you.

yeah, yeah...this whole ng is a troll.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 14 Dec 2006 03:25 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>isn't going to help.  Those are unhealthy behaviors and potentially
>dangerous to others.  Your crusade is misguided to say the least.

Uh, the other driver created the dangerous situation. I wanted to
circumvent it, he wouldn't allow it, so I did to him exactly as he did
to me. Why is it ok for the other driver to block traffic, but it's
wrong when I do it? Do I smell a hint of hypocrisy there, loser?

>You know what I think would be good?  Required driver's ed in high

That would be good, and I appreciate the fact that I went through it.
Not that it was as helpful as some auxiliary studies, but it did go
much further than the "driver's manual" issued by my state.

>school.  Tougher licensing exams.  Periodic re-testing.  Better law

<ding ding!> Yes, we have a winner!

>inforcement for infractions other than speeding.  And yet I drive to

Doin' good so far.

>get wherever the hell I'm going and don't get in a snit and do
>something stupid every time another vehicle doesn't move in exactly the
>way I would like it to.

You should get into a snit, as those drivers are artificially creating
congestion, which increases your chance of being involved in an
accident.

>Already the congestion is affecting commerce; there was
>> an article in the paper recently about an appliance repairman who used
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>yeah, yeah...this whole ng is a troll.

Well, considering your newness here, but look at the most vocal
proponents of the speed limit laws here. Then, follow them to other
groups and see how they post there. Then come back and tell us that
those who support you are credible and reasonable. Do have fun with
that.
frank megaweege - 14 Dec 2006 15:06 GMT
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> to me. Why is it ok for the other driver to block traffic, but it's
> wrong when I do it? Do I smell a hint of hypocrisy there, loser?

It's not ok for the other driver.  Why do you think it's ok for you?
Who is the hypocrit?

> >You know what I think would be good?  Required driver's ed in high
>
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> those who support you are credible and reasonable. Do have fun with
> that.

I don't care that much about speed limits, especially on limited access
highways.  I'm all for driving safely for conditions.  I've had two
speeding tickets in my life and both were silly in my opinion.  One was
for 80 in a 65, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't going 80.  The other was
for 34 in a 25, an obvious trap.
I'm a proponent of getting myself to where I'm going as safely and
deliberately as possible and not worrying about what other drivers are
doing.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 15 Dec 2006 01:38 GMT
Someone wrote:

>Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
>Mothers) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>It's not ok for the other driver.  Why do you think it's ok for you?
>Who is the hypocrit?

You are; you faulted me, and didn't fault the original driver. At
least, not in your original complaint.

>> >You know what I think would be good?  Required driver's ed in high
>>
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>deliberately as possible and not worrying about what other drivers are
>doing.

Your last statement is oxymoronic. You want to arrive at your
destination as safely and deliberately as possible, and yet you don't
worry about other drivers? If you search this group's recent history
(last month or so), you'll note that I posted an article regarding the
absurdly high rate of vehicular deaths that occur in my state. This is
one of, if not the worst, states with respect to automobile accidents.
In this state, if you DON'T worry about other drivers, you'll find
yourself dead real quick. We've got idiots who love to run stop signs
and signals, change lanes without looking, and my personal favorite,
the idiot who likes to drive the wrong way on a one-way street.

If you're not hyper-prepared for the unexpected in my locale, you'd
better be prepared for the morgue.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 14 Dec 2006 03:20 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>
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>If you took the licenses away from everyone who sometimes blocks the
>left lane and are not good at merging there wouldn't be many drivers

That's why we're proponents of better driver education, so that morons
aren't issued drivers licenses in the first place.

>left.  That may seem like nirvana to you, but it's never going to
>happen.  Trying to "teach" others how to drive by being an a.s is
>pathological behavior.  May as well go bang your head into a wall in
>private where it won't bother anyone else.

Who's "teaching" anyone? I'm just returning what I've received.
frank megaweege - 14 Dec 2006 14:12 GMT
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> >
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>
> Who's "teaching" anyone? I'm just returning what I've received.

Road rage is childish and dangerous.
Scott en Aztlán - 14 Dec 2006 14:41 GMT
"frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Road rage is childish and dangerous.

All the more reason not to cause it by driving like an a.shole.
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If you listen carefully, you can hear Carl's wife scream just prior to the impact.

frank megaweege - 14 Dec 2006 14:51 GMT
Scott en Aztl?n wrote:
> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
> >Road rage is childish and dangerous.
>
> All the more reason not to cause it by driving like an a.shole.
> --

So if someone drives in a manner that you don't like you're not
responsible for your actions in response?  That's the position of
someone with anger and control issues.
If someone drives like an a.shole ignore it.  Get away from them when
possible and get to where you're going.
DTJ - 15 Dec 2006 01:15 GMT
>> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>
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>If someone drives like an a.shole ignore it.  Get away from them when
>possible and get to where you're going.

Great theory.  Tell me where you live.  I am looking to set up a plan
to allow released felons an outlet for their rage.  Might as well
start with your wife and daughters.  As long as you think it is best
to get away from them and just get to where you are going...
frank megaweege - 15 Dec 2006 14:49 GMT
> >> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
> >>
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> start with your wife and daughters.  As long as you think it is best
> to get away from them and just get to where you are going...

What the hell?  Does this remark make sense to anyone?
Are you saying that left lane blockers are like violent ex-cons?  Or
something like that?
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 15 Dec 2006 01:40 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>
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>If someone drives like an a.shole ignore it.  Get away from them when
>possible and get to where you're going.

Which I was trying to do, but unfortunately the truck driver's
incompetence prevented that. He *forced* me to pass on the right; it's
not my fault I decided to slow down after I passed him in the hopes of
avoiding one of Carl's magic lounge chairs.
Scott en Aztlán - 15 Dec 2006 04:33 GMT
"frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>> >Road rage is childish and dangerous.
>>
>> All the more reason not to cause it by driving like an a.shole.
>
>So if someone drives in a manner that you don't like you're not
>responsible for your actions in response?

You can't deny human nature. If you drive like an a.shole, you gotta
expect that maybe someone is going to get pissed off. Angry people can
sometimes make poor judgement calls. You're a fool to endanger
yourself like that. Stay safe - stay the f.ck out of the way.
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frank megaweege - 15 Dec 2006 14:52 GMT
Scott en Aztl?n wrote:
> "frank megaweege" <wvhillrunner@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
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> yourself like that. Stay safe - stay the f.ck out of the way.
> --

EXACTLY!  Why would you intentionally slow down in front of someone to
retaliate for some driving move that you don't like.  The guy could
have been a psycho and done something foolish.
Or maybe you guys are confident enough that you're the biggest psychos
on the road that you don't worry about that.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 15 Dec 2006 01:38 GMT
Someone wrote:

>Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
>Mothers) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>Road rage is childish and dangerous.

So is not knowing how to drive, which the genius in the cable truck
obviously didn't know how to do.
Scott en Aztlán - 16 Dec 2006 02:47 GMT
"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving:

>On the way in to work, got stuck behind some dullard in vehicle owned
>by the local cable company.

Was it Comcast?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/174334,CST-NWS-cable15.article
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