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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / December 2006This Guy Did Us a Favor
Here's a rare case where a geezer took himself (and ONLY himself) out. No one else was injured, no property was damaged, and no lanes were blocked - all things considered, it just don't get no better than this. Now before the relatives start doing their web searches and showing up here to bitch and moan, I must point out that if this doddering old fool had hung up his car keys back when he was supposed to he would still be alive today. He has nobody to blame for his demise but himself. I'm simply glad that there was so little collateral damage. http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/159867.php Driver dies in single-car wreck on I-10 arizona daily star Tucson, Arizona | Published: 12.11.2006 A man was killed in a car wreck on Interstate 10 Monday morning when a pickup truck he was driving smashed into a bridge pillar under South Kolb Road. Howard Joseph Sterling,65, of the 3300 block of East 26th Street, was traveling westbound about 8:10 a.m. on I-10 when he drove a white Toyota pickup truck into the median and struck a pillar, said Frank Torres, a spokesman for the Department of Public Safety. The accident caused no lane blockages and no other vehicles were involved in the wreck, Torres said. An investigation into what caused the driver to stray into the median is in progress, Torres said. Torres did not know if the driver was wearing his seat belt at the time of the crash.  SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > Here's a rare case where a geezer took himself (and ONLY himself) out. > No one else was injured, no property was damaged, and no lanes were [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > still be alive today. He has nobody to blame for his demise but > himself. I'm simply glad that there was so little collateral damage. Spurious conclusion/s. You don't know if the driver had better skills than yourself and simply had a heart attack or stroke that led to the crash. The 65 year age group is statistically the least likely to be involved in a crash. And, learn to read: "An investigation into what caused the driver to stray into the median is in progress, Torres said." > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/159867.php > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > I'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Your arithmetic is rotten. 5 wrecks do not equal "wreckless". Quit congratulating yourself for things you have not accomplished. ----- - gpsman 65 old? Hell, Chuck Yeager was still flying airplanes at least until his 80th birthday. It ain't about age every time. Sometimes, its just not paying attention. DPH >Here's a rare case where a geezer took himself (and ONLY himself) out. >No one else was injured, no property was damaged, and no lanes were [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Torres did not know if the driver was wearing his seat belt at the >time of the crash. Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >65 old? Hell, Chuck Yeager was still flying airplanes at least until his 80th >birthday. Chuck was also a competent pilot and didn't crash his plane into a freeway abutment. I have nothing against any competent driver of any age; I'd gladly share the freeway with Chuck or Paul Newman anytime. OTOH, there can be no debate about the (lack of) competence of the driver in the article. This looks to be a textbook example of a senior citizen who continued to drive well after his expiration date, and paid the price for his arrogance and/or poor judgement. >It ain't about age every time. Sometimes, its just not paying attention. Whatever it was, I'm glad he's off the road (and didn't take any innocent lives along with him). SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > citizen who continued to drive well after his expiration date, and > paid the price for his arrogance and/or poor judgement. You assume way too much to infer that age had anything to do with it. The guy may always have been a lousy driver, or there may be a deer we don't know about yet, or a lot of other things, including a mechanical failure. > >It ain't about age every time. Sometimes, its just not paying attention. > > Whatever it was, I'm glad he's off the road (and didn't take any > innocent lives along with him). Anyone can have a loss of countrol for a wide variety of reasons. Generally, PAYING ATTENTION can avert 99.9% of 'em, but there's always a gotcha that can't be avoided. You can't do much about deer, trucks that change lanes without looking, blowouts, black ice (I know, not in Florida), oil on the road, lotsa stuff. DPH > You assume way too much to infer that age had anything to do with it. > The guy may always have been a lousy driver, or there may be a deer we > don't know about yet, or a lot of other things, including a mechanical > failure. Heck, he could have been blown off the road by a lane-changing speeder who cut it too close, or lost control attempting to avoid someone else doing something stupid (and that someone else might not even know about the wreck.) We just don't know. I certainly hope that Scott follows up on this when the investigation is done, and lets us know the results. Scott just made too many assumptions not supported by anything in the article. My sympathies to the family. "Dave Head" <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >You assume way too much to infer that age had anything to do with it. Hardly. When's the last time you heard of a 20-year-old who mistook the gas pedal for the brake and launched his car through a storefront window? SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! >"Dave Head" <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the gas pedal for the brake and launched his car through a storefront >window? There was no storefront involved in this accident, and we have no evidence to suggest mishandling of the pedals. You're assuming way too much. >"Dave Head" <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the gas pedal for the brake and launched his car through a storefront >window? The point of the whole thing is, tho, that you can't say that just because he's 65, he shouldn't be driving. AJ Foyt is 71, and likely can still drive rings around YOU, and if you try to take his driver's license, will beat you into a bloody pulp to boot. Dave Head Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >>"Dave Head" <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The point of the whole thing is, tho, that you can't say that just because he's >65, he shouldn't be driving. When have I *ever* said that? Cite, please! SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cite, please! Original post said: >Here's a rare case where a geezer took himself (and ONLY himself) out. >No one else was injured, no property was damaged, and no lanes were >blocked - all things considered, it just don't get no better than >this. and: >Now before the relatives start doing their web searches and showing up >here to bitch and moan, I must point out that if this doddering old >fool had hung up his car keys back when he was supposed to he would >still be alive today. In so many words, this says that those that are of the age this guy was (65) should not be driving. I think any reasonable person would read it to mean that. Dave Head "Dave Head" <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> >The point of the whole thing is, tho, that you can't say that just because he's >> >65, he shouldn't be driving. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>blocked - all things considered, it just don't get no better than >>this. I'm simply glad that no innocent lives were lost and no property was damaged. Nothing about age in that statement. >>Now before the relatives start doing their web searches and showing up >>here to bitch and moan, I must point out that if this doddering old >>fool had hung up his car keys back when he was supposed to he would >>still be alive today. Since you're quoting me, don't forget about this: Message-ID: <diitn29c3be049o93hk2ku0obdsbssp8qi@4ax.com> >>65 old? Hell, Chuck Yeager was still flying airplanes at least until his 80th >>birthday. > >Chuck was also a competent pilot and didn't crash his plane into a >freeway abutment. I have nothing against any competent driver of any >age; I'd gladly share the freeway with Chuck or Paul Newman anytime. See? I have nothing against drivers of any age - as long as they are COMPETENT. >In so many words, this says that those that are of the age this guy was >(65) should not be driving. Uh, no. What I'm saying is this: I take the fact that this geezer hit a concrete abutment in a solo car accident as Prima Facie evidence that he was driving past his expiration date. If you have additonal evidence that would disprove my theory, let's hear it. Signaturehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9111165305855013700 If you listen carefully, you can hear Carl's wife scream just prior to the impact. >> >The point of the whole thing is, tho, that you can't say that just because he's >> >65, he shouldn't be driving. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Dave Head Sigh. Scott, don't even bother arguing. This is what happens when people who understand logic (computer programmers, et cetera) attempt to communicate with those who don't. Nowhere did you say anything like what Dave is accusing you of. But, obviously not having an understanding of basic logic, he assumes facts not in evidence and accuses you of saying things that he READ INTO your statements. I see this every day. Don't ever tell a co-worker they did a good job in front of someone else. "What, I don't do a good job?" is the next thing to be heard out of the person standing nearby, because you did not include them... You MUST HAVE BEEN saying they SUCK AT THEIR JOB!!! > Nowhere did you say anything like what Dave is accusing you of. But, > obviously not having an understanding of basic logic, he assumes facts [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > not include them... You MUST HAVE BEEN saying they SUCK AT THEIR > JOB!!! Not quite, I think. Perhaps the person in the story was an inadequate driver in some respect. Maybe the guy was just a fool. There are young ones. But Scott himself made age ("doddering old fool", "geezer") the primary issue, when it may or may not have been. Scott lumped other 65 year olds into the situation. DTJ <None@nowhere.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >Sigh. Scott, don't even bother arguing. Sorry, I noticed your warning too late. :) >This is what happens when >people who understand logic (computer programmers, et cetera) attempt [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >not include them... You MUST HAVE BEEN saying they SUCK AT THEIR >JOB!!! LOL! So true!! Signaturehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9111165305855013700 If you listen carefully, you can hear Carl's wife scream just prior to the impact. > Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cite, please! I thought I'd start by requoting you as Dave did: "I must point out that if this doddering old fool had hung up his car keys back when he was supposed to" I'm 55 now. If you think I'll have hung up my keys within the next ten years, you've got another think coming. Given the requisite spare cash lying around, I may even be racing. I'll almost certainly be autocrossing and still teaching at BMW club driving events. As many others have pointed out in response to your 'ageism', 65 is not old; 80 may not be old. Driving ability depends on the individual. Given your own record compared to mine (*How many* crashes have you been in?), maybe *you* ought to be hanging up *your* keys. -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; done that) "Motorhead Lawyer" <88.535is@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I'm 55 now. If you think I'll have hung up my keys within the next ten >years, you've got another think coming. Of course EVERYBODY expects to be able to drive until the day they die (and many, like the guy in this story, are right). NOBODY plans to live out their sunset years without wheels. However, you never know. You might be diagnosed with Parkinson's or Alzheimer's or any number of other debilitating illnesses that will destroy your ability to drive before you expect. And that's a big part of the problem: people who expect to be able to drive forever buy houses out in Exurbia where there is no public transit and nothing is within walking distance; by the time they realize they are losing their ability to safely operate a motor vehicle, they are trapped - if they stop driving, they will become shut-ins, unable to even go to the grocery store without getting a ride from someone. That's why so many of the elderly continue to drive well past their expiration dates - the alternative is unthinkable (primarily due to a lack of planning). From what I know of you, I believe you will be responsible enough to realize when it's time to hang up your car keys, and will do so before you plow through any farmers markets. My bet is that the gentleman in the article that started this thread was not so responsible. Signaturehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9111165305855013700 If you listen carefully, you can hear Carl's wife scream just prior to the impact. > >The point of the whole thing is, tho, that you can't say that just because he's > >65, he shouldn't be driving. > > When have I *ever* said that? > > Cite, please! >From your original post: >I must point out that if this doddering old >fool had hung up his car keys back when he was supposed to he would >still be alive today. > Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Cite, please! Duh. "Here's a rare case where a geezer took himself (and ONLY himself) out. No one else was injured, no property was damaged, and no lanes were blocked - all things considered, it just don't get no better than this." "Now before the relatives start doing their web searches and showing up here to bitch and moan, >* I must point out that if this doddering old fool had hung up his car keys back when he was supposed to he would still be alive today.*< He has nobody to blame for his demise but himself. I'm simply glad that there was so little collateral damage." -- "An investigation into what caused the driver to stray into the median is in progress, Torres said." -- --- A 65 year old driver crashes for reasons unknown, and it sure -seems- as if you have attributed the cause to age. Practically your entire knowledge of, and attitude toward driving seem to be cemented in this tendency to conclude in haste after assuming facts that are based on pure, unadulterated ignorance... or singular and/or extreme anecdotal examples that support what you think you know. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2005/YoungDriversTSF05.pdf ----- - gpsman > You assume way too much to infer that age had anything to do with it. > The guy may always have been a lousy driver, or there may be a deer we > don't know about yet, or a lot of other things, including a mechanical > failure. It's also possible that he fell asleep at the wheel (which is one thing that's not limited to elderly drivers). Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán said in rec.autos.driving: > Here's a rare case where a geezer took himself (and ONLY himself) out. > No one else was injured, no property was damaged, and no lanes were [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/159867.php <<Snip article>> Now if certain elements in this NG would also do us that favor, then things would be peaceful around here. :) SignatureLoco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend shows us how Loco it really is: "Now that is really stupid. As with all FLs, Laura Bush is the most influential woman in the country." --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/ Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM) Ref: http://tinyurl.com/zcdkz Message ID: rp8k92dnv98vb2jpsv9ra6uel94s3qovum@4ax.com |
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