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How about demanding photo ID to buy gas???

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 15 Dec 2006 03:17 GMT
This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
i know, they could still have someone else buy the gas for their car
but this would certainly make it tougher for them to drive illegally.

No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
then give them the money and go out and pump.
MiscParts.com - 15 Dec 2006 03:21 GMT
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

That would be a real pain for everyone ...won't work.

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> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 15 Dec 2006 03:30 GMT
> > No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> > then give them the money and go out and pump.
>
> That would be a real pain for everyone ...won't work.

I never used a cc to buy gas.  Most people don't and hell with the
idiots who do.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 15 Dec 2006 04:13 GMT
Someone wrote:

>I never used a cc to buy gas.  Most people don't and hell with the
>idiots who do.

Damned you're retarded. Of course, it stands to reason that as you've
never had a job more complicated than operating the fry vat at McD's,
you wouldn't understand what removing CC's from business travelers
would do. Not to mention "pay at the pump" is a great way to reduce
gas theft, and eradicate the inefficiency of the loser behind the
counter in the store.

Of course, your not knowing anything about efficiency is why you'll
never have a decent job, friend, or family in your life. Efficiency is
one of the reasons I picked up a 70% merit increase a few months back,
as well as moved to an office with a window view (which was wanted by
a number of people, some with 10 years of seniority over me), and
climbed above several layers of management.

By the way, retard, since you're the expert on everything, what
happened to that $3 gas by Turkey-day you promised? How about that
nuclear detonation on American soil?

Can't you get ANYTHING right, loser? =))

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Mark Fox - 16 Dec 2006 02:06 GMT
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> >
> >I never used a cc to buy gas.  Most people don't.....
>
> Damned you're retarded. Of course, it stands to reason that as you've
> never had a job more complicated than operating the fry vat at McD's...

He has the opinion that no one uses credit cards for gas because he
gets his allowance from his parents the same day his dad lets him
borrow the car.

LOL!!
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 16 Dec 2006 14:08 GMT
Someone wrote:

>Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
>Mothers) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>gets his allowance from his parents the same day his dad lets him
>borrow the car.

That could be, but I was under the impression he didn't know his dad.

Or it might be that he doesn't acknowledge his father, seeing how his
father's a jewish mexican with a long history of DUI and speeding
tickets.

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Mark Fox - 20 Dec 2006 12:36 GMT
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:
> Someone wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> That could be, but I was under the impression he didn't know his dad.

You are correct.  I should have said "court appointed guardian".
Thanks for noticing that oversight.
Tim Crowley - 18 Dec 2006 19:26 GMT
> > > No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> > > then give them the money and go out and pump.
> >
> > That would be a real pain for everyone ...won't work.
>
> I never used a cc to buy gas.

Who cares.

>Most people don't

What gives you that idea.

>and hell with the
> idiots who do.

Tha's your attitude, the hell with everyone.  Good luck in your future
endeavors.
Tim Crowley - 18 Dec 2006 19:26 GMT
> > > No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> > > then give them the money and go out and pump.
> >
> > That would be a real pain for everyone ...won't work.
>
> I never used a cc to buy gas.

Who cares.

>Most people don't

What gives you that idea.

>and hell with the
> idiots who do.

Tha's your attitude, the hell with everyone.  Good luck in your future
endeavors.
Rob - 18 Dec 2006 23:12 GMT
>I never used a cc to buy gas.  Most people don't and hell with the
>idiots who do.

Yup we idiots who got cards that give us  5% cash back on gas
purchases are just so incredibly stupid. I'm so stupid I even pay off
my cards each month so I don't pay any interest. I got about $150 cash
back last year and paid nothing to Citi and Discover other than the
actual cost of the purchases. I know your not supposed to save money
using a credit card but I can't help myself. I feel like such an idiot
lol
Brent P - 15 Dec 2006 03:40 GMT
>> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
>> then give them the money and go out and pump.
>
> That would be a real pain for everyone ...won't work.

The control freaks would just have everyone chipped to reach that goal.
Political Pagan - 15 Dec 2006 03:51 GMT
> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

How about certification of sanity to use the net so fuckwits like you,
ViperJak, Hankkky, and Mark Fox go away.

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Mark Fox - 15 Dec 2006 04:53 GMT
> > This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> > suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> How about certification of sanity to use the net so fuckwits like you,
> ViperJak, Hankkky, and Mark Fox go away.

Gosh, maybe if you can get everyone in the real world to go away you
can continue pretending that you are some sort of smart and brave hero
instead of a worthless unknown beer swilling lowlife.

You keep up that fantasy of yours.  Click your heels three times and
maybe someday it will come true.

LOL!!

> "The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and
> balance for one another. It is within the court's duty to ensure that power
> is never condensed into those other branches of government when it
> clearly should belong only to us judges. After all, we were elected by
> the people fair and square" - Judge Anna Diggs Taylor
Roger - 15 Dec 2006 06:59 GMT
> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

EXCELLENT idea!

We should do the same for grocery stores too.

They should have to take off their shoes too.
Furious George - 15 Dec 2006 08:26 GMT
> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

It is a good idea.  Currently, you can't buy gas unless you have an
approved container.

One type of approved container is a properly insured, registered
vehicle with a licensed driver.  No one should be allowed to fill up an
uninsured or unregistered vehicle.  Unlicensed drivers should not be
allowed to fill up their cars.
Eeyore - 15 Dec 2006 08:51 GMT
> > This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> > suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> uninsured or unregistered vehicle.  Unlicensed drivers should not be
> allowed to fill up their cars.

So how would you guys feel about having a database of uninsured and unlicensed
vehicles such as we have here that the police have access to ?

Graham
Furious George - 15 Dec 2006 09:05 GMT
> > > This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> > > suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> So how would you guys feel about having a database of uninsured and unlicensed
> vehicles such as we have here that the police have access to ?

I don't see how that helps.  If the driver has proof of insurance,
licensure, and registration, then the attendent provides service.
Otherwise, no gas.

Why would the attendent need access to a database of uninsured and
unlicensed vehicles?  If there was a need for a database, it would be a
database of insured vehicles, registered vehicles, and licensed drivers
(to combat counterfeit credentials).

> Graham
Eeyore - 15 Dec 2006 09:38 GMT
> > > > This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> > > > suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> database of insured vehicles, registered vehicles, and licensed drivers
> (to combat counterfeit credentials).

It is in fact.

And the answer is to prevent the use of forged documents.

Graham
MLOM - 15 Dec 2006 14:27 GMT
> > > > This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> > > > suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> > Graham

Store attendants keep some sort of database to curtail the use of *bad*
checks when accepting checks as payment, even if such database is no
more than a handwritten list.

The pay-at-the-pump is more of a gas theft deterrent since the pump
will not work unless payment is approved.  I usually go that route
unless purchasing other h?sh?ntr?sh in the store.  Certainly a
well-set-up database would keep the pump disabled if a potential crime
is apparent.  Just my $.02 worth.
Alex - 15 Dec 2006 18:17 GMT
> One type of approved container is a properly insured, registered
> vehicle with a licensed driver.  No one should be allowed to fill up an
> uninsured or unregistered vehicle.  Unlicensed drivers should not be
> allowed to fill up their cars.

Why?  You could be traillering your ATV's somewhere.  How about boats?

What about lawn mowers?  The list goes on.  Stupid idea, just like the
person who
thought of it.  
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Alex
necromancer - 15 Dec 2006 23:23 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Alex said in
rec.autos.driving:

<<ECP removed>>

> > One type of approved container is a properly insured, registered
> > vehicle with a licensed driver.  No one should be allowed to fill up an
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What about lawn mowers?  The list goes on.  Stupid idea, just like the
> person who thought of it.

Exactly. THere is a gas station about 3/4 of a mile from my home (an
easy walk for me even round trip). Why the hell should I have to carry
license, proof of insurance etc... if I decide to walk down there with
my gas can for the lawn mower; other than so that nanny-nazis like the
OP (and the previous poster) can feel good about themselves?



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Furious George - 16 Dec 2006 00:08 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Alex said in
> rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> my gas can for the lawn mower; other than so that nanny-nazis like the
> OP (and the previous poster) can feel good about themselves?

Not a problem.  As long as your gas can is an approved container you
can fill it up.  Don't try filling up an empty 2 liter Pepsi bottle for
your lawn mower.

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necromancer - 16 Dec 2006 17:24 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
said in rec.autos.driving:
> Not a problem.  As long as your gas can is an approved container you
> can fill it up.

Untille the drone at the controls refuses to authorize the pump citing
"company policy," or "the law," or what ever....

> Don't try filling up an empty 2 liter Pepsi bottle for
> your lawn mower.

I don't do that. I use 2 gallon cans that are designed for carrying 2
gallons of gasoline. I don't even buy my soft drink in 2 liter bottles.
I much prefer buying individual portions.

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Furious George - 17 Dec 2006 01:24 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
> said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Untille the drone at the controls refuses to authorize the pump citing
> "company policy," or "the law," or what ever....

Why can't gas stations set their own company policies and what is wrong
with the "drone at the controls" enforcing company policy?

As long as the policy is consistent with the law, there is no problem.
Company policy can not allow for the pumping of gas into Pepsi bottles
because that would be against the law.

Company policy can forbid the pumping of gas into jerry cans.  (It is
not against the law to pump gas into jerry cans, but there is no law
that says the gas station must allow it.)

If you don't like it, you can buy from another station.

> > Don't try filling up an empty 2 liter Pepsi bottle for
> > your lawn mower.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
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Doug Maddox - 17 Dec 2006 20:01 GMT
>> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
>> said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Company policy can not allow for the pumping of gas into Pepsi bottles
> because that would be against the law.

Unless there was a law making the retailers do it do you think that would
be checking ID's for cigarettes or alcohol? They would like to be able to
sell to anyone. Do you think pharmacies like having to go into the back to
get your suphedrine based cold med? It's a PIA.

I do remember when I was a young teen (13-14) making money cutting the
neighbor's lawn's. I had to buy my own gas, I walked to the gas station
about 2 blocks with my can. (Gas was about $.06/gal then)

> Company policy can forbid the pumping of gas into jerry cans. (It is
> not against the law to pump gas into jerry cans, but there is no law
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> gallons of gasoline. I don't even buy my soft drink in 2 liter bottles.
>> I much prefer buying individual portions.
Doug Maddox - 18 Dec 2006 00:17 GMT
>>> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
>>> said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> neighbor's lawn's. I had to buy my own gas, I walked to the gas station
> about 2 blocks with my can. (Gas was about $.06/gal then)

Uh, make that sixty cents per gallon.
necromancer - 17 Dec 2006 21:07 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
said in rec.autos.driving:

> > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
> > said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Why can't gas stations set their own company policies and what is wrong
> with the "drone at the controls" enforcing company policy?

<aunt judy mode> evasion of the issue noted. </aunt judy mode>

Because you said (see attribution above) that "as long as your gas can
is an approved container you can fill it up." And you know exactly what
I was referring to with the "drone at the controls," comment. Why the
hell should I have to show ID, proof of insurance etc... if I am filling
up an approved gas can (just to satisfy your nitpickiness) at a gas
station that I WALKED (translation, no car) to?

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Furious George - 18 Dec 2006 02:37 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
> said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Because you said (see attribution above) that "as long as your gas can
> is an approved container you can fill it up."

The container must be approved by both the law and company policy.

> And you know exactly what
> I was referring to with the "drone at the controls," comment.

The "drone at the controls" is just doing his/her job.

> Why the
> hell should I have to show ID, proof of insurance etc...

The people in the construction industry also probably complain a lot
about how difficult it is to buy dynamite.  Gasoline is highly
flammable and carcinogenic.  If it leaks from your container, it can
contaminate drinking water.  It should be regulated.

> if I am filling
> up an approved gas can (just to satisfy your nitpickiness) at a gas
> station that I WALKED (translation, no car) to?

You don't have to.  I don't care much if you buy gas or not.  In fact,
it would be better if you did not.  Push mowers are great.  They give
you exercise and they don't pollute the air so much.
<http://www.ehow.com/how_17544_buy-push-reel.html>

>  
Alex - 18 Dec 2006 19:02 GMT
> > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Furious George
> > said in rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> flammable and carcinogenic.  If it leaks from your container, it can
> contaminate drinking water.  It should be regulated.

Same could be said for hundreds of common household cleaners.  They
don't
require any id to purchase.  You are just getting more ridiculous with
every
post.

> > if I am filling
> > up an approved gas can (just to satisfy your nitpickiness) at a gas
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> you exercise and they don't pollute the air so much.
> <http://www.ehow.com/how_17544_buy-push-reel.html>

Try running a lawn care business with push mowers before you spew forth
such
stupidity.  I get a better workout by riding my bike.  No need to use a
push mower.
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Doug Maddox - 15 Dec 2006 18:21 GMT
>> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
>> then give them the money and go out and pump.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> uninsured or unregistered vehicle.  Unlicensed drivers should not be
> allowed to fill up their cars.
Suppose I walk up to the station with my can looking for gas for my lawn
mower? With a roll of quarters.

Doug
Furious George - 16 Dec 2006 00:13 GMT
> >> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> >> then give them the money and go out and pump.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Suppose I walk up to the station with my can looking for gas for my lawn
> mower? With a roll of quarters.

It really depends on what kind of can.  If it is a can designed for
safe storage of gasoline, then it is an approved container and there is
no problem.  On the other hand, if it is an empty can of corn that you
found in the trash, the attendant should refuse you service the same as
if some unlicensed driver tried to fill up his car.

As for the quarters, it is up to the service station whether they
accept quarters or not.

> Doug
Doug Maddox - 17 Dec 2006 20:09 GMT
>> >> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
>> >> then give them the money and go out and pump.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> found in the trash, the attendant should refuse you service the same as
> if some unlicensed driver tried to fill up his car.

Suppose unlicensed driver is passenger of a car. The driver of the car is
handicapped or just a broken left foot. The passenger volunteers to go and
pay for the gas and to pump it. See how silly this is getting?

When I take my cars to get their inspection, I fully expect the mechanic
to check the registration and insurance. The local Wawa has NO business
determining if I have the right to drive or not.

Doug
BaldinPramer@msn.com - 15 Dec 2006 18:39 GMT
> > This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> > suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> uninsured or unregistered vehicle.  Unlicensed drivers should not be
> allowed to fill up their cars.

Just to make it foolproof, let's require tracking chips in all cars,
with the facility to inform detectors about the state of the driver's
driving privileges, legal staus, right to buy alcohol, etc. Then we can
expand things, so that the car will nor run when the authorities decide
a person should not drive here or there.

A chip should also be imbedded in driver's licences that can make the
same information available for purposes of buying alcohol, firearms,
dirty magazines, etc.

Baldin Lee Pramer
Brent P - 15 Dec 2006 18:51 GMT
> Just to make it foolproof, let's require tracking chips in all cars,

TX already attempted to get RFID into the state inspection stickers. It
failed to pass very narrowly.
Doug Maddox - 15 Dec 2006 23:05 GMT
>> Just to make it foolproof, let's require tracking chips in all cars,
>
> TX already attempted to get RFID into the state inspection stickers. It
> failed to pass very narrowly.

Then there was the episode of Law & Order: SVU where a guy implanted an
RFID in his wife's shoulder.

Right now, RFID is a hot issue with retailers. They see it as a way of
better tracking inventory, they have blinders on when it comes to the
unintended consequences.

RFID is still a young technology, but it will get more powerful.

Doug
Brent P - 15 Dec 2006 23:17 GMT
> Right now, RFID is a hot issue with retailers. They see it as a way of
> better tracking inventory, they have blinders on when it comes to the
> unintended consequences.

The corporations and retailers have more intended consquences. They
really do want to track products for the life of the product. There are
plans to have RFID reading doorways that will query everything people are
carrying. From their clothes to the money in their wallet. They want this
information to gain marketing info so they say....

Another scheme to achieve the same manufacture to landfill product
tracking is broadband over powerlines. RFID isn't going to do much good
to track your power drill, your fridge, stove, or any other item not
typically carried on one's person. Broadband over power lines fills in
the gap. Plug in the gizmo and it phones home with various info regarding
it's use over the power lines.

Of course each item has a serial number to indentify it... and they know
who bought it because even if you paid cash, that cash had RFID chips in
it and they know it was you because you indentified yourself when you got
it from the ATM....

Tracking of everyone and everything.
Alex - 18 Dec 2006 18:16 GMT
> > Right now, RFID is a hot issue with retailers. They see it as a way of
> > better tracking inventory, they have blinders on when it comes to the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> carrying. From their clothes to the money in their wallet. They want this
> information to gain marketing info so they say....

I have no problem with RFID being in products as long as it is in the
manufacturers/retailers possesion.  Once it is bought, it is not there
business where the item goes.  The RFID
tags should be clearly marked so that they can be removed at the time
the item is purchased.

> Another scheme to achieve the same manufacture to landfill product
> tracking is broadband over powerlines. RFID isn't going to do much good
> to track your power drill, your fridge, stove, or any other item not
> typically carried on one's person. Broadband over power lines fills in
> the gap. Plug in the gizmo and it phones home with various info regarding
> it's use over the power lines.

Again, no ones business once the item is sold.  If they want to track
stuff at the dump,
let them post someone there to count their stuff.

> Of course each item has a serial number to indentify it... and they know
> who bought it because even if you paid cash, that cash had RFID chips in
> it and they know it was you because you indentified yourself when you got
> it from the ATM....
> Tracking of everyone and everything.

Scary.  More reason to not want this crap anywhere.
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Alex
Alex - 18 Dec 2006 18:12 GMT
> > Just to make it foolproof, let's require tracking chips in all cars,
>
> TX already attempted to get RFID into the state inspection stickers. It
> failed to pass very narrowly.

RFID units break.  Or somehow they can get shielded so they can't be
read.  Stuff
happens all the time.  
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Alex
necromancer - 15 Dec 2006 23:26 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely),  said in
rec.autos.driving:

> > > This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> > > suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> expand things, so that the car will nor run when the authorities decide
> a person should not drive here or there.

Like any time when the royalty... errrrr.... leaders of this once great
nation decide to visit. Or when busy-bodies like "furious george," and
"SADDAM," feel that us little people shouldn't be allowed out of our
cells... errrrr.... homes.

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editor@netpath.net - 15 Dec 2006 08:49 GMT
Ever notice that illegal aliens have no trouble getting (fake or
fraudulently-obtained) driver's licenses?  Just how much more of a
hassle and delay do you think Americans will tolerate just to drive -
for something that won't achieve anything?

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 15 Dec 2006 17:43 GMT
> Ever notice that illegal aliens have no trouble getting (fake or
> fraudulently-obtained) driver's licenses?

No i haven't noticed that.  Do you have any evidence to support your
preposterous statement??
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 16 Dec 2006 01:57 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> Ever notice that illegal aliens have no trouble getting (fake or
>> fraudulently-obtained) driver's licenses?
>
>No i haven't noticed that.  Do you have any evidence to support your
>preposterous statement??

When has the lack of evidence prevented you from posting any of your
preposterous statements? =))

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BaldinPramer@msn.com - 15 Dec 2006 18:47 GMT
> Ever notice that illegal aliens have no trouble getting (fake or
> fraudulently-obtained) driver's licenses?

Not only that, but in border states illegals are given free licences
*and* brand new cars by the state as they cross over the border, while
US citizens are allowed no licenses whatsoever until they pass a
rigorous year long driving course and pay $10,000.

Yeah, I noticed that.

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mike532 - 15 Dec 2006 08:55 GMT
Have you ever read "1984 " ? Your idea is as far off base and Un
American as advocating a natinal Id card or travel papers so the
governemnt could control where and when you can go somewhere . How
would you like to have apply for a permit to buy gas or travel to next
town so you could shop  ?
necromancer - 15 Dec 2006 13:57 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), mike532 said in
rec.autos.driving:

> Have you ever read "1984 " ? Your idea is as far off base and Un
> American as advocating a natinal Id card or travel papers so the
> governemnt could control where and when you can go somewhere . How
> would you like to have apply for a permit to buy gas or travel to next
> town so you could shop  ?

Loco Laura is a hypocrite. It wouldn't want all that for itself, just
for us "little people." Just like it spews all that "55 saves lives,"
crap, yet suggest lowering the SL to 45 or 35 and listen to it wail and
scream about having to draw the line somewhere. yeah, right, its desire
to save lives stops when it is inconvienced. *That's* where it draws the
line.

And let's not forget the little gem in the .sig when talking about Loco
Laura and hypocrisy.
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Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend (a.k.a. SADDAM) admits to being
a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler:

">  Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?

Yes, but never deliberately.  In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25.  I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying.  No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."

Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers
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Brent P - 15 Dec 2006 14:14 GMT
> Have you ever read "1984 " ? Your idea is as far off base and Un
> American as advocating a natinal Id card

National ID card already exists. It has been backdoored through the
driver's licenses  in the real ID act. All driver's licenses must now
meet federal requirements, in other words function as a national ID card,
or the states lose their federal highway kickback money. All states must
comply by 2008.

> or travel papers so the
> governemnt could control where and when you can go somewhere .

As of next month, all US citizens must be cleared to leave and enter the
USA by homeland security. This is very real.

> How
> would you like to have apply for a permit to buy gas or travel to next
> town so you could shop  ?

It appears they'll settle for a tracking device that logs that activity.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 15 Dec 2006 17:46 GMT
> As of next month, all US citizens must be cleared to leave and enter the
> USA by homeland security. This is very real.

And that's a good idea.  In fact, i'd like to extend that and not let
americans leave the country or any foreigners enter.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 16 Dec 2006 01:57 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> As of next month, all US citizens must be cleared to leave and enter the
>> USA by homeland security. This is very real.
>
>And that's a good idea.  In fact, i'd like to extend that and not let
>americans leave the country or any foreigners enter.

What tribe do you belong to?

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Tim Crowley - 18 Dec 2006 19:35 GMT
> > As of next month, all US citizens must be cleared to leave and enter the
> > USA by homeland security. This is very real.
>
> And that's a good idea.  In fact, i'd like to extend that and not let
> americans leave the country or any foreigners enter.

hint: no one cares what you would like. You're a racist, cowardly
Usenet k00k. I'd love to see you peddle your crap to elected officials.
Hell you could even use your cute little fake name. buahahahahaha
Alex - 15 Dec 2006 18:18 GMT
> Have you ever read "1984 " ? Your idea is as far off base and Un
> American as advocating a natinal Id card or travel papers so the
> governemnt could control where and when you can go somewhere . How
> would you like to have apply for a permit to buy gas or travel to next
> town so you could shop  ?

They are too stupid to realize when the government is overstepping it's
bounds.  So
they would probably be more than happy to do all of those things.
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Matthew T. Russotto - 15 Dec 2006 21:33 GMT
>Have you ever read "1984 " ? Your idea is as far off base and Un
>American as advocating a natinal Id card or travel papers so the
>governemnt could control where and when you can go somewhere . How
>would you like to have apply for a permit to buy gas or travel to next
>town so you could shop  ?

The national ID card is already law (though not implemented yet).  The
travel papers will likely come soon (disguised as some sort of
anti-illegal-immigrant measure, probably).  It's not that "1984" didn't
happen; it's that it's a government program so it's way behind
schedule.
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necromancer - 15 Dec 2006 13:29 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk
Drivers are MURDERERS the connisseur of gay kid porn in
rec.autos.driving spewed forth the followinf after a "session:"

> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
> i know, they could still have someone else buy the gas for their car
> but this would certainly make it tougher for them to drive illegally.

You taking a flying leap off of this bridge (http://tinyurl.com/ym96pp)    
would make the roads a whole lot more pleasant.

> No more credit card purchases.

Just because you are too cheap and/or have a negative FICO score doesn't
mean that the rest of should be inconvienced. If you don't like it,
Tango Sierra.

> You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

See the bridge photo again; you drive to the top (though with that POS
of yours, you will probablly have to walk up), get out of the car, walk
across the lanes to the center dividing barrier, get a good run started
and just do the high hurdles over the outer jersey barrier. Better yet,
go for the gusto and climb to the top of one of those towers and jump
from there.

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spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 15 Dec 2006 13:33 GMT
> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

texans have one thing right... some people just need killin'.

Dave
leonard78sp@gmail.com - 15 Dec 2006 22:06 GMT
> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

???     That depends on what kind of "gas" you want. --
        Ethane, methane, laughing gas, mustard gas, tear
        gas, nitrogen, natural gas, coal gas, town gas, etc
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Tim Crowley - 18 Dec 2006 19:25 GMT
> This would help in the battle to keep the  millions of criminals with
> suspended licenses or no license ( illegal aliens) off the roads.  Yes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No more credit card purchases. You go to the clerk, show your ID and
> then give them the money and go out and pump.

WOW, talk about HUGE Government. That's a bad idea. You won't find a
single elected offical to support such an nutty idea.
 
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