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http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/161536.php Cop gets $491 speeding ticket in man's death Associated Press Tucson, Arizona | Published: 12.22.2006 A Tempe police officer who struck and killed a 24-year-old man with his patrol car has been given a speeding ticket in the incident, angering the dead man's family. Officer Bill Cullins hit Tempe resident Kyle Jeffrey Barker as he was crossing a south Tempe road around 2 a.m. in November 2005, according to a Tempe police investigation report. The report said Barker shattered the windshield and was catapulted at least 166 feet to his death. The patrol car's "black box" recorded that at one time that night, Cullins was driving at 95 mph, but the device did not record how fast the car was traveling when it struck Barker. Chandler City Prosecutor Maria Brewer dropped a criminal speeding charge against Cullins on Thursday, saying there was not enough evidence to prove Cullins was traveling 20 mph above the posted 45 mph limit at the time of the incident. The case was being heard in Chandler because of a conflict of interest in Tempe. Brewer instead gave Cullins a $491 speeding ticket because speed analysis conducted during the investigation into the incident showed that Cullins was traveling at 50 mph when he struck Barker. The investigation report shows that Cullins was not impaired at the time, but shows that Barker had alcohol in his blood when he was hit. Cullins said that at the time he hit Barker, he was on his way to provide backup for another officer. He said he tried to avoid Barker, but it was too late. He was not in court Thursday and was not required to be, but Barker's family was there. When they heard the judge's ruling, they began sobbing. "We think it was handled poorly, and we have no other choice but to look for our own answers," said Jim Barker, Kyle Barker's father. Kyle Barker's aunt, Shelle Small, criticized the ruling. "It's just beyond me," Small said. "(Cullins) took a life. Still, for a life, my nephew's life, for my sister's only son, he got a speeding ticket?" Cullins could not be reached for comment. Tempe police spokesman Brandon Banks said the department will conduct its own administrative review of Cullins. "All of (what happened) will be a part of our internal investigation, which we will be starting immediately," Banks said. "It is a priority of ours not only for the family, but also the department, to get this done quickly." Barker's family has filed lawsuits against Tempe, Cullins and former Police Chief Ralph Tranter.  SignatureWell, it appears that the gory .sigs about Carl's dead wife did their job. I've tucked them away for now, but if he (or one of his sockpuppets) comes back, so will the nasty .sigs. :) > Barker's family has filed lawsuits against Tempe, Cullins and former > Police Chief Ralph Tranter. Because their drunk son was crossing a 45 limit road without paying attention ? Sheesh ! Graham >> Barker's family has filed lawsuits against Tempe, Cullins and former >> Police Chief Ralph Tranter. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Graham Where did the article indicate he was drunk? As usual, the authorities attempt to demonize the victim. And where does it say he was not paying attention? What would have been the outcome if a private citizen had been involved in the same accident AND the onboard recorder showed he had been going 95 mph not long before? > >> Barker's family has filed lawsuits against Tempe, Cullins and former > >> Police Chief Ralph Tranter. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Where did the article indicate he was drunk? " The investigation report shows that Cullins was not impaired at the time, but shows that Barker had alcohol in his blood when he was hit. " Maybe not drunk but he'd certainly been drinking. > As usual, the authorities attempt to demonize the victim. Really ? > And where does it say he was not paying attention? Some one paying attention wouldn't have got run over ! > What would have been the outcome if a > private citizen had been involved in the same accident AND the onboard > recorder showed he had been going 95 mph not long before? Aren't police officers allowed to drive at 95 ? Where did it say "not long before" too ? The accident investigators suggested an impact speed of 50 mph. Graham >> >> Barker's family has filed lawsuits against Tempe, Cullins and former >> >> Police Chief Ralph Tranter. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Maybe not drunk but he'd certainly been drinking. Yeah, he'd been drinking earlier and the cop had been speeding earlier. You are willing to assume the cop had recovered from the adrenaline rush and concurrent narrow visual window from it, but want to assume the pedestrian was still impaired. Shows you are biased. >> As usual, the authorities attempt to demonize the victim. > >Really ? Yup, that's why they immediately put out the word that the victim has some amount of alcohol in his blood. It's common practice for them to say as little as possible about the cop while dredging up every bit of dirt they can on the victim. >> And where does it say he was not paying attention? > >Some one paying attention wouldn't have got run over ! Really? Why is the same not true of the cop - someone paying attention WHILE DRIVING would not hit a pedestrian. >> What would have been the outcome if a >> private citizen had been involved in the same accident AND the onboard >> recorder showed he had been going 95 mph not long before? > >Aren't police officers allowed to drive at 95 ? Where did it say "not long before" >too ? Depends. Aren't citizens allowed to drink? >The accident investigators suggested an impact speed of 50 mph. You can usually get any speed you want by simply making the right assumptions. The cops assume crush info for the car, friction info for the road, and may have to "intuit" the actual length of braking depending on road surface, tires, braking effort, ABS V non-ABS. I would not be surprised if their 50 mph had a margin of error of 20 mph to the high side. >Graham Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/161536.php > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > I've tucked them away for now, but if he (or one of his sockpuppets) > comes back, so will the nasty .sigs. :) That tells the public the value of people who are not police officers: cheap! Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/161536.php > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > his patrol car has been given a speeding ticket in the incident, > angering the dead man's family. > Officer Bill Cullins hit Tempe resident Kyle Jeffrey Barker as he was > crossing a south Tempe road around 2 a.m. in November 2005, according > to a Tempe police investigation report. > The report said Barker shattered the windshield and was catapulted at > least 166 feet to his death. > The patrol car's "black box" recorded that at one time that night, > Cullins was driving at 95 mph, but the device did not record how fast > the car was traveling when it struck Barker. Yeah right. Another perfectly timed black box malfunction. Is there one honest PD in this country?? Scott in Acidland wrote: > http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/161536.php > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > his patrol car has been given a speeding ticket in the incident, > angering the dead man's family. Police are at the mercy of physics just like the average speediot, and police are generally better trained drivers. This only shows that no driver can predict the unexpected. I doubt that cop planned or felt good about the crash and it will haunt him for life. There have been cops convicted of many things, so this isn't proof (as you see it) of a completely biased system. If you think this somehow means civilian speeding tickets are a racket, you're a damned fool. You have to take each case in its own context. Considering all the radical driving situations they face, police do very well overall. I watch those TV shows with high speed chases and I'm amazed at police restraint. You seem obsessed with bolstering your own ego and using a car to do it. Take away that Corvette and you're effectively neutered. Your posts are full of disdain for anyone who doesn't drive with your brand of haste, yet you know little about them. When you're speeding all the time of course everyone will look like a "sloth." Maybe you'll grow up someday but if you're much beyond age 25 I don't hold out hope. Speeding can be exhilarating, it can get you there faster, it can boost your ego, it can make you feel like you're beating the government. But the laws of physics cannot be subverted. If you'd simply admit to that we'd have no argument. > Well, it appears that the gory .sigs about Carl's dead wife did their job. > I've tucked them away for now, but if he (or one of his sockpuppets) > comes back, so will the nasty .sigs. :) Were you born with no conscience or is this just a online thug persona? People like you pay their dues sooner or later, so I'm not going to waste anger on this. You should find a better hobby than using a public forum to display a rotten attitude. If you're like this in real life, "MMFY" is staring at you in the mirror. The very essence of speediocy is "Me first - get out of MY way!" It's a hard fact of life that some people are just no damned good. C.T. http://www.geocities.com/aggressive_driving/ Carl Troller wrote: > It's a hard fact of life that some > people are just no damned good. yes, we're well aware of that, Carl. Every time I start feeling warm and fuzzy and full of love for my fellow man, you post again and remind me that there's a lot of really f.cking stupid people out there, and a lot of them haven't a clue when to shut the f.ck up. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > Police are at the mercy of physics just like the average speediot, and > police are generally better trained drivers. Wrong and wrong. Cops are some of the worst drivers on the road thanks to their arrogance from thinking they are better trained and being above the law. > This only shows that no > driver can predict the unexpected. It is expected that someone might cross a typical arterial road. That's why one doesn't drive 95mph on 45mph posted arterial roads. The only people I've ever seen do that have been _cops_. > I doubt that cop planned or felt > good about the crash and it will haunt him for life. There have been > cops convicted of many things, so this isn't proof (as you see it) of a > completely biased system. Most cops escape justice. Most cops that do illegal things never get caught. > If you think this somehow means civilian speeding tickets are a racket, > you're a damned fool. So, have you ever gotten a ticket for driving your 70mph interstate speed on an interstate with an arbitary 55mph speed limit? > You have to take each case in its own context. > Considering all the radical driving situations they face, police do > very well overall. I watch those TV shows with high speed chases and > I'm amazed at police restraint. You are easily fooled carl. I was witness to the immediate aftermath of a police chase that killed a teenager. An what I mean by immediate is that the smoking wreckage was sliding towards my car and I actually parked and got out to see if I could help. 90+mph on suburban arterials. Cops get focused on the chase, catching the guy and often lose sight of what might happen. Especially silly is how they destroy a stolen car to catch the car thief. Hmm... how about recovering the stolen property in one piece? > You seem obsessed with bolstering your own ego and using a car to do > it. Take away that Corvette and you're effectively neutered. Your posts > are full of disdain for anyone who doesn't drive with your brand of > haste, yet you know little about them. When you're speeding all the > time of course everyone will look like a "sloth." Maybe you'll grow up > someday but if you're much beyond age 25 I don't hold out hope. Scott would drive swiftly and not block people if you gave him a hyundai excel to drive. > Speeding can be exhilarating, it can get you there faster, it can boost > your ego, it can make you feel like you're beating the government. But > the laws of physics cannot be subverted. If you'd simply admit to that > we'd have no argument. Actually carl, we just want to get where we are going in a reasonable time and safely. It's just that our personal sweet spot is faster than yours. You demonize everyone who drives faster than _YOU_. As if you set what the speed should be. But there are others who feel you're the speedidiot, driving 70mph on the interstate when they have chosen 60mph or less. You're a control freak carl. You want to force everyone to drive slower than you drive. We aren't interested in what speed you or anyone else wants to drive, just keep right except to pass. I encounter faster drivers than me all the time, but oddly I don't have problems because I keep right except to pass. They pass right by without any issue and I don't come on here complaining about 'speeders' like you do. Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Brent P said in rec.autos.driving: > You are easily fooled carl. I was witness to the immediate aftermath of > a police chase that killed a teenager. An what I mean by immediate is > that the smoking wreckage was sliding towards my car and I actually > parked and got out to see if I could help. I doubt I would have bothered stopping. Just maneuvered around the mess and put on my Sgt. Schultz impression (I know nothing, NOTHING!). > 90+mph on suburban arterials. Typical cop, right jaybird?? > Cops get focused on the chase, catching the guy and often lose sight of > what might happen. Especially silly is how they destroy a stolen car to > catch the car thief. Hmm... how about recovering the stolen property in > one piece? Doesn't matter to them. It shows as an arrest on their score card.... errrrr..... record and that's all that counts. Signature-- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin >> Police are at the mercy of physics just like the average speediot, and >> police are generally better trained drivers. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >keep right except to pass. They pass right by without any issue and I >don't come on here complaining about 'speeders' like you do. That's the heart of it. I hear people complain all the time about aggressive drivers, blah, blah, blah. Yet I almost never see any aggressive drivers on the road. For every aggressive driver I see there are at least 10 sloth drivers creating greater hazards then any the aggressive drivers create. And I hear complaints of people cutting others off, or this or that yet it rarely happens to me and I'm considered an "aggressive driver" compared to the average driver. The reason I don't have problems? I actually pay attention to what's going on around me and I *don't* stay with the pack. It's too bad people like CT don't spend their energy learning to drive instead of spending it creating hazards on the highway by their inept driving. Ashton Crusher <Hello@nowhere.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >>You're a control freak carl. You want to force everyone to drive slower >>than you drive. We aren't interested in what speed you or anyone else [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >there are at least 10 sloth drivers creating greater hazards then any >the aggressive drivers create. Most "aggressive drivers" are actually normal, reasonable, responsible drivers whose only sin is to drive faster than some Sloth thinks they ought to be driving. Faster drivers drive faster because they actually have someplace to go, and they actually want to get there as efficiently as possible. They have neither the time nor the inclination to putz around and block other drivers' progress. They pass you and they're gone. The only people who are bothered by that are control freak Sloths who get angry whenever anyone dares to drive faster than they do. >It's too bad >people like CT don't spend their energy learning to drive instead of >spending it creating hazards on the highway by their inept driving. CT is the perfect example. That video on his web site shows an "aggressive" driver - a guy who, the moment his path is no longer blocked by a Sloth, disappears over the horizon. He doesn't cut anyone off, he doesn't block anyone's path, he doesn't play passive-aggressive games; he simply GOES AWAY. Something CT often promises but never actually DOES. :) SignatureCarl Troller's wife catches a train: http://www.zippyvideos.com/119967005339285/faces_of_death_-_women_gets_hit_by_tr ain_funny/ And his daughter catches one, too: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/309176/girl_hit_by_a_train/ > Most "aggressive drivers" are actually normal, reasonable, responsible > drivers whose only sin is to drive faster than some Sloth thinks they > ought to be driving. I'll go one further, most are reasonable drivers who have been defined as 'aggressive' by the government and media because they aren't passive 'just let them do it', 'just let the cops handle it' types who will endorse the controls/tracking that the government wants to put on everyone. Problem-reaction-solution. > Faster drivers drive faster because they actually have someplace to > go, and they actually want to get there as efficiently as possible. > They have neither the time nor the inclination to putz around and > block other drivers' progress. They pass you and they're gone. The > only people who are bothered by that are control freak Sloths who get > angry whenever anyone dares to drive faster than they do. Scott, you want to see an agry sloth? Pass one with a bicycle. They really get pissed off. The last one tried to force me to rear end him, jamming hard on the brakes because I passed his sorry a.s to avoid being stuck a second cycle at a light. I had another one try to run me off the road and countless verbal insults because I was faster with a bicycle than they were in a car. tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in rec.autos.driving: >I'll go one further, most are reasonable drivers who have been defined as >'aggressive' by the government and media because they aren't passive [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >road and countless verbal insults because I was faster with a bicycle >than they were in a car. Isn't it interesting how an otherwise-JLEDI driver is suddenly no longer content to "let the cops handle it" when it comes to enforcing their personal speed limit? You can run red lights, cut people off, merge Slothily, or whatever, and they'll just let it go, but if you DARE to drive faster than they want you to, and instantly they turn into Road Vigilantes. Just look at the vitriol that Carl Troller, Midnight Troll, GPSTroll, and the like spew out onto the 'net. It's pretty scary to imagine what these guys are like on the road IRL... SignatureCarl Troller's wife catches a train: http://www.zippyvideos.com/119967005339285/faces_of_death_-_women_gets_hit_by_tr ain_funny/ And his daughter catches one, too: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/309176/girl_hit_by_a_train/ Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 24 Dec 2006 17:33 GMT Someone wrote: >Just look at the vitriol that Carl Troller, Midnight Troll, GPSTroll, >and the like spew out onto the 'net. It's pretty scary to imagine what >these guys are like on the road IRL... Well, Carl's wife is dead proof that his driving methodology is flawed. I see the most welcome and appropriate sigs are back! Carl, if you're reading this, I hope you and your wife have a Merry Christmas! --- Don't steal; the government hates competition! >Ashton Crusher <Hello@nowhere.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >passive-aggressive games; he simply GOES AWAY. Something CT often >promises but never actually DOES. :) A friend of mine is a terrible driver but thinks he's really good at it. He is constantly surprised by what other drivers do, jerks his wheel, jabs his brakes, fails to leave distance when he should and conversely leaves huge following distances and blocks lanes when he shouldn't. In comparison, I drive faster then he does yet hardly ever need to use my brakes or make any sudden moves or get surprised by anyone. My Dad is 80 years old and drives better then 75% of the other people out there. He used to be 90% but age is taking it's toll but he realizes it and drives accordingly. Ashton Crusher <Hello@nowhere.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >A friend of mine is a terrible driver but thinks he's really good at >it. IME, that statement can be made for at least 75% of drivers. :) >He is constantly surprised by what other drivers do, jerks his >wheel, jabs his brakes, fails to leave distance when he should and >conversely leaves huge following distances and blocks lanes when he >shouldn't. In comparison, I drive faster then he does yet hardly ever >need to use my brakes or make any sudden moves or get surprised by >anyone. A lot of that is situational awareness. When I see a car slowing down, or refusing to accelerate despite the rapidly increasing gap between his car and the car in front of him, I can easily predice that he either wants to make a turn or change lanes, or he is a Sloth Coaster. Context usually makes it clear which: a red light at the next intersection usually indicates a Sloth Coaster; if he's turning his head to look over his shoulder and/or checking his mirrors and/or he drifts slightly to one side of his lane, he wants to change lanes; if there's an intersection or driveway up ahead, and he's in the proper lane to turn there, then that's the probable outcome. Bottom line, when the turn signal comes on (if it ever does), it's usually just a confirmation of what I already knew; it is very seldom a surprise. People with low situational awareness (and this includes drivers who are distracted by cell phones, children in the back seat, makeup application procedures, etc.) are the ones who are always being surprised. These are the people who get caught behind "invisible" buses, "invisible" semis, etc. >My Dad is 80 years old and drives better then 75% of the >other people out there. He used to be 90% but age is taking it's toll >but he realizes it and drives accordingly. Sounds like a man who has the wisdom to drive as long as he can do so safely and no longer. May we all acquire that wisdom when our times comes. SignatureCarl Troller's wife catches a train: http://www.zippyvideos.com/119967005339285/faces_of_death_-_women_gets_hit_by_tr ain_funny/ And his daughter catches one, too: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/309176/girl_hit_by_a_train/ Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), said in rec.autos.driving: > If you think this somehow means civilian speeding tickets are a racket, > you're a damned fool. Then replace the fines with jail time. SignatureCarl Taylor takes his ball and goes home again" "C.T. (hoping again to never post here again)" --Carl Taylor, 12/16/06 5:40AM Ref: http://tinyurl.com/y59spw (note: ROT 13 trickery applied) Message ID: 1166265614.051026.287370@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 23 Dec 2006 22:27 GMT Someone wrote: >Were you born with no conscience or is this just a online thug persona? Talking to yourself, Carl? You might wish to seek psychiatric help; it wouldn't hurt. >People like you pay their dues sooner or later, so I'm not going to >waste anger on this. And some much sooner than others. By the way, Carl, how's the wife? You have something special planned with her for the holidays? --- Don't steal; the government hates competition! > Scott in Acidland wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > driver can predict the unexpected. I doubt that cop planned or felt > good about the crash and it will haunt him for life. It sounds like a classic case of a person getting killed on the road for being inattentive to me. Pedestrians should be especially careful crossing roads with > 30 limit. Graham |
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