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250,000 KILLED Since 2001 -- And We Don't Much Care!

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perryneheum@hotmail.com - 27 Dec 2006 22:02 GMT
Drugs

Booze

Speed

Teens

Jerks

Macho Men

Bikers

Other Fools

These substances and people types -- in various combinations -- kill
44,000 of U.S. citizens a year.  It's been like this for decades.  But
nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage.  Because
nobody cares.

Are YOU part of the problem?

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"A Deadly Story We Keep Missing"

By Peter J. Woolley
The Washington Post
Wednesday, December 27, 2006; A19

The non-story of 2006 was also the non-story of 2005. It is a non-story
every year going back decades. Yet the number of people who die in car
crashes in the United States is staggering, even if it is absent from
the agenda of most public officials and largely ignored by the public.

When all is said and done and the ball begins to drop on New Year's
Eve, 44,000 people, give or take several hundred, will have died in
auto accidents this year. To put that number in perspective, consider
that:

o  At the 2006 casualty rate of 800 soldiers per year, the United
States would have to be in Iraq for more than 50 years to equal just
one year of automobile deaths back home.

o  In any five-year period, the total number of traffic deaths in the
United States equals or exceeds the number of people who died in the
horrific South Asian tsunami in December 2004. U.S. traffic deaths
amount to the equivalent of two tsunamis every 10 years.

o  According to the National Safety Council, your chance of dying in an
automobile crash is one in 84 over your lifetime. But your chances of
winning the Mega Millions lottery are just one in 175 million.

o  If you laid out side by side 8-by-10 photos of all those killed in
crashes this year, the pictures would stretch more than five miles.

o  If you made a yearbook containing the photos of those killed this
year, putting 12 photos on each page, it would have 3,500 pages. If you
wanted to limit your traffic-death yearbook to a manageable 400 pages,
you'd either have to squeeze more than 100 photos onto each page or
issue an eight-volume set.

Can you hear me now? Automobile deaths are the leading cause of death
for children, for teenagers and in fact for all people from age 3 to
33. Yet this annual tragedy is not a cause celebre.

Opinion leaders largely ignore the ubiquitous massacre. No marches,
walkathons, commemorative stamps or fundraising drives are organized.
It is not brought up in the State of the Union address. It is rarely
the subject of public affairs shows. Statistics aren't updated daily in
major newspapers or broadcasts.

Gruesome crashes are reported just one at a time, each as if it might
never happen again. Little attention is paid to the aftermath: safety
measures taken or not taken, the workings or non-workings of the
justice system. These avoidable deaths, as well as more than 2 million
nonfatal dismemberments, disfigurements and other injuries that go
along with them, have become part of the fabric of everyday life in the
United States.

Elected officeholders naturally take the path of least resistance. They
are well aware that significantly reducing deaths on the roads requires
radical solutions in the form of regulation, investment and
enforcement. Roads need to be made safer, for example, by extending
guardrails and medians to every mile of busy highways. Speeding and
aggressive driving need to be much more rigorously controlled. Trucks
need to be separated from automobiles wherever possible. And cars need
to be built slower and stronger.

But every solution is readily opposed by someone: manufacturers,
industrial unions, truckers, consumers, taxpayers -- though all are
potential victims themselves. The public is not to blame. It is hemmed
in on every side by mind-numbing advertising and shouted stories of the
moment. Apparently no medium is willing to bludgeon people -- as they
need to be -- with statistics and trends on the dangers facing them
every time they set out in their automobiles.

Only if there is a public outcry will this situation get the attention
due it. Only when people fully realize the absurd and avoidable costs
of the dangers that stalk them on the road -- and then demand
governmental action in the form of forceful intervention and strict
regulation -- will this become the story of the year, as it should be.

The writer is a professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson
University and executive director of PublicMind, a public opinion
research group there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122600775.html

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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 27 Dec 2006 22:38 GMT
Someone wrote:
>Drugs
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>crashes in the United States is staggering, even if it is absent from
>the agenda of most public officials and largely ignored by the public.

It's a non-story that goes back even further, and is merely evidenced
by the interesting and unique ways that motorists find to claim their
darwin awards. You summed it up rather nicely: "it's largely ignored
by the public", and that's why they die.

>When all is said and done and the ball begins to drop on New Year's
>Eve, 44,000 people, give or take several hundred, will have died in
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
>
>-----

Boo hoo hoo. People have choice, and some of those decided there are
other things in their life more important than vehicular safety. No
loss.

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 28 Dec 2006 03:17 GMT
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers) wrote:

> Boo hoo hoo. People have choice, and some of those decided there are
> other things in their life more important than vehicular safety. No
> loss.

Hey stupid faggot homo. When you "choose" to drive crazy you endanger
OTHER people too.
BrianNZ - 28 Dec 2006 03:37 GMT
> Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
> Mothers) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Hey stupid faggot homo. When you "choose" to drive crazy you endanger
> OTHER people too.

p.jm?....is that you?   bwaahahaha

Hey, 'Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS', have you had someone
close to you die in a vehicle crash or something? You seem to take this
really personally.

When I choose to speed, I'll do it. It may seem 'crazy' to you, but I'm
in control and I don't want to hurt myself. 'IF' I kill someone, then
call me a MURDERER. Your logic runs along the lines of 'All men are
rapists because they have a penis'........

Y'all keep living in that bad 'what if' land....I'll keep living in my
good 'what if' land. Think positive and all will be good....ya stupid
faggot homo.  :)
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 28 Dec 2006 04:22 GMT
Someone wrote:

>Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
>Mothers) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Hey stupid faggot homo. When you "choose" to drive crazy you endanger
>OTHER people too.

Two problems with your post, retard.

The first problem is that you've got attribution issues again. You've
errantly projected your homosexual preferences onto other people. Or,
if you've got proof that I'm homosexual, say, a quote, then post it.
I'll return the favor and include the quote (and a reference) to where
you bragged about your homosexual exploits on "bareback mountain."

The other problem is that you've mistakenly assumed that I "choose" to
drive crazy. I drive quite sanely, and have never been involved in a
fatal accident. If I spend a little effort, I can find the post(s)
where you've bragged about being in a fatal accident within the past 4
years.

So, here's your bragging of your being a cock sucker, cock sucker! =))

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Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy":
Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event.
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necromancer - 28 Dec 2006 12:37 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy -
President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in
rec.autos.driving:
> Someone wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I'll return the favor and include the quote (and a reference) to where
> you bragged about your homosexual exploits on "bareback mountain."

Please do elaborate. That sounds like good material for a .sig....

> The other problem is that you've mistakenly assumed that I "choose" to
> drive crazy. I drive quite sanely, and have never been involved in a
> fatal accident. If I spend a little effort, I can find the post(s)
> where you've bragged about being in a fatal accident within the past 4
> years.

Ask and ye shall receive (funny, I've been speeding for over 20 years
and have yet to have a fatal crash)....

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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 29 Dec 2006 04:14 GMT
Someone wrote:
>Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy -
>President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>Please do elaborate. That sounds like good material for a .sig....

Eh, it's the same old "3 inch weenie" line that SADDAM posted months
ago. In his case, I would imagine 3 inches would be "hung".

>> The other problem is that you've mistakenly assumed that I "choose" to
>> drive crazy. I drive quite sanely, and have never been involved in a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Ask and ye shall receive (funny, I've been speeding for over 20 years
>and have yet to have a fatal crash)....

25 for me.

And just think, Laura Welch has gone, what, 45 years without one?
So Laura Bush is doing *MUCH* better than Loco Laura.

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Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy":
Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event.
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G-Net - 28 Dec 2006 18:09 GMT
"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Someone wrote:
>>Drugs
[quoted text clipped - 115 lines]
> other things in their life more important than vehicular safety. No
> loss.

I tend to agree with you. Every day I see morons who completely disregard
speed limits,
stop signs and blow off various other laws. These same type of individuals
run through
parking lots like they were the Indianapolis 500. If these people go out and
kill them-
selves, I really DON'T CARE, it just reduces the number of stupid people in
the world!
Hugh Gibbons - 29 Dec 2006 07:23 GMT
> I tend to agree with you. Every day I see morons who completely disregard
> speed limits,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> selves, I really DON'T CARE, it just reduces the number of stupid people in
> the world!

The purpose of the traffic laws is largely to reduce the number of
bystanders they take with them to Hell.

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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 30 Dec 2006 19:53 GMT
Someone wrote:

>> I tend to agree with you. Every day I see morons who completely disregard
>> speed limits,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>The purpose of the traffic laws is largely to reduce the number of
>bystanders they take with them to Hell.

Yeah, but those traffic laws get broken from time to time. I'd rather
know how to avoid incidents with incompetent drivers than to pin my
safety on the belief that 100% of the population is going to drive
legally and safely.

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BrianNZ - 27 Dec 2006 22:51 GMT
> Drugs
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage.  Because
> nobody cares.

Once again, the finger has been pointed at different groups, rather than
ALL road users.....you failed to mention tired shift workers, old people
with slow reaction times etc. As long as everyone thinks someone else is
the problem, the carnage will never end.
Matthew T. Russotto - 31 Dec 2006 22:52 GMT
>Once again, the finger has been pointed at different groups, rather than
>ALL road users.....you failed to mention tired shift workers, old people
>with slow reaction times etc. As long as everyone thinks someone else is
>the problem, the carnage will never end.

The carnage will never end.  And the sooner the swaddle-the-earth
brigade figures that out and quits trying to control our lives in
order to save them, the sooner the rest of us can get along with
living them.
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Fletis Humplebacker - 27 Dec 2006 23:12 GMT
> Drugs
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Are YOU part of the problem?

Hell no. Not me. I have long advocated crimping the testes of boys
at an early age and teaching them how to resonate with the
harmonic balance of the universe. Dangerous activities can be replaced
with chanting, creative floral management, basket weaving and many
other benefits to an evolving society.
Tim Kreitz - 27 Dec 2006 23:12 GMT
> Drugs
> Speed
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> nothing substantive is ever done to reduce this carnage.  Because
> nobody cares.

And heart disease kills 875,000 of our fat a.ses every year. If you
really want to save lives, outlaw Burger King. Yeah, that'd go over
real well.

And you're right -- nobody cares. Wanna know why? Because 44,000 lives
out of 6 billion is an insignificant number.

Everybody dies, Junior. Even you.

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 28 Dec 2006 00:14 GMT
Someone wrote:
>And heart disease kills 875,000 of our fat a.ses every year. If you
>really want to save lives, outlaw Burger King. Yeah, that'd go over
>real well.

Oh gawd no! Not a NEW cause!!!!

>And you're right -- nobody cares. Wanna know why? Because 44,000 lives
>out of 6 billion is an insignificant number.

And most of those 44,000 coulda avoided it had they really wanted,
just like the 875,000 mentioned above.

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Hawke - 28 Dec 2006 09:01 GMT
"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad
Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Someone wrote:
> >And heart disease kills 875,000 of our fat a.ses every year. If you
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> And most of those 44,000 coulda avoided it had they really wanted,
> just like the 875,000 mentioned above.

I'll bet that about half of the 44,000 were killed because they weren't
wearing their seat belts. I saw somewhere lately that seat belt compliance
is up close to 90% in California but of those killed nearly half of them
weren't wearing them. Then throw in the people driving under the influence
or high on something else and you have accounted for the majority of the
deaths on the highway. I was going to add that a good number of cell phone
talking idiots are also to blame but since that will be illegal in my state
come next year I decided to leave it out. But I am sure going to be happy to
not see half the fools on the road with a phone in their hand any more.

Hawke
Michael R. Kesti - 28 Dec 2006 15:59 GMT
>I'll bet that about half of the 44,000 were killed because they weren't
>wearing their seat belts. I saw somewhere lately that seat belt compliance
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>come next year I decided to leave it out. But I am sure going to be happy to
>not see half the fools on the road with a phone in their hand any more.

Hmmm...  In most or all states it is illegal to drive without seatbelts
and while intoxicated, yet doing these still frequently occur.  What makes
you think that you are going to stop seeing drivers using cell phones?

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Dave Head - 28 Dec 2006 16:13 GMT
>>I'll bet that about half of the 44,000 were killed because they weren't
>>wearing their seat belts. I saw somewhere lately that seat belt compliance
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>and while intoxicated, yet doing these still frequently occur.  What makes
>you think that you are going to stop seeing drivers using cell phones?

And this supposed huge risk from using a cell phone while driving is just smoke
and mirrors.  If it were true, the death rate would be going thru the roof. But
its stayed right around 43,000, instead of shooting up to 50,000 or 60,000
which one might expect from all the widespread use of cell phones while
driving.

Its another red herring, and yet 1 more thing to make a law for and collect
fines for and have some people feeling superior to other people, etc.  

If I couldn't use it while driving, I'd cancel the contract, since that is
where I need and use it the most.  Otherwise, I'm either where I can't answer
it because there's no signal, or don't need it because I have a land line
available.

Dave Head
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 28 Dec 2006 16:20 GMT
> And this supposed huge risk from using a cell phone while driving is just smoke
> and mirrors.  If it were true, the death rate would be going thru the roof. But
> its stayed right around 43,000, instead of shooting up to 50,000 or 60,000
> which one might expect from all the widespread use of cell phones while
> driving.

HAHAHAAHA.   Now there's a stupid argument for you.You might as well
say "Highway fatalities are constant so we should legalize drunk
driving."   That's just how stupid you sound.
Mark B - 28 Dec 2006 18:50 GMT
> > And this supposed huge risk from using a cell phone while driving is just smoke
> > and mirrors.  If it were true, the death rate would be going thru the roof. But
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> say "Highway fatalities are constant so we should legalize drunk
> driving."   That's just how stupid you sound.

No, not a stupid argument at all if it is given the proper time frame.
Cell phones have become common in roughly the last 5 - 10 years. How
has the vehicle death rate been affected? Booze has been around
slightly longer so you can't apply the same logic.
Scott Hawley - 29 Dec 2006 17:26 GMT
>>And this supposed huge risk from using a cell phone while driving is just smoke
>>and mirrors.  If it were true, the death rate would be going thru the roof. But
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> say "Highway fatalities are constant so we should legalize drunk
> driving."   That's just how stupid you sound.

Yeah, Right!
40% of all Accidents are Alcohol related. That means 60% of accidents
are non Alcohol related. Therefor it is safer to Drink and Drive.
Just using the same logic the Insurance companies use to tell be I
need to pay more for insurance because my car is red which makes me
a higher risk driver.
Henry - 29 Dec 2006 14:59 GMT
> And you're right -- nobody cares. Wanna know why? Because 44,000 lives
> out of 6 billion is an insignificant number.

The population of the U.S. is somewhat less than 6
billion.

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governorswill@comcast.net - 30 Dec 2006 09:51 GMT
>> And you're right -- nobody cares. Wanna know why? Because 44,000 lives
>> out of 6 billion is an insignificant number.
>
> The population of the U.S. is somewhat less than 6
>billion.

Um, the population of the US has just passed 300 million.

Swill
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Scott en Aztlán - 30 Dec 2006 16:05 GMT
governorswill@comcast.net said in rec.autos.driving:

>> The population of the U.S. is somewhat less than 6
>>billion.
>
>Um, the population of the US has just passed 300 million.

Um, which is somewhat less than 6 billion.
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Keith Schiffner - 30 Dec 2006 16:11 GMT
> governorswill@comcast.net said in
> rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Um, which is somewhat less than 6 billion.

So? It's just fat dumb a.s Americans? Starving
people in Africa who wont move were the food is
get more sympathy from me.

Dying happens, now get over it.
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Scott en Aztlán - 31 Dec 2006 02:23 GMT
"Keith Schiffner" <schistan@bresnan.net> said in rec.autos.driving:

>>>> The population of the U.S. is somewhat less
>>>> than 6 billion.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>So?

So just making a point of fact. The original statement was correct as
written. :)
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Keith Schiffner - 31 Dec 2006 03:56 GMT
> "Keith Schiffner" <schistan@bresnan.net> said in
> rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> statement was correct as
> written. :)

So? Who cares??? Obviously you are lacking in a
sarcasm detector.
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History does not record anywhere at any time a
religion that has any rational basis. Religion is
a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up
to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff,
most people do have a religion and spend time and
money on it and seem to derive considerable
pleasure from fiddling with it.
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governorswill@comcast.net - 30 Dec 2006 18:21 GMT
>governorswill@comcast.net said in rec.autos.driving:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Um, which is somewhat less than 6 billion.

Lol!  Much like a paper cut is less than terminal cancer.

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necromancer - 03 Jan 2007 20:45 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán
said in rec.autos.driving:
> governorswill@comcast.net said in rec.autos.driving:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Um, which is somewhat less than 6 billion.

And 44 000 Darwin Awards is still a drop in the bucket.

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Henry - 03 Jan 2007 02:56 GMT
>>> And you're right -- nobody cares. Wanna know why? Because 44,000 lives
>>> out of 6 billion is an insignificant number.

>> The population of the U.S. is somewhat less than 6
>> billion.

> Um, the population of the US has just passed 300 million.

That's why 44,000 out of 6 billion is an irrelevant ratio.
44,000 is the number of people killed on U.S. roads. 6 billion
is the population of the entire planet.
Also, if an ignorant, unskilled driver put Tim in a wheelchair,
road carnage would instantly change from insignificant to the
most important issue in his life.
The 300 million taxpayer dollars spent per day to protect us
from Iraq's non existent WMDs would go along way towards
reducing road carnage through driver training and education.

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 03 Jan 2007 08:03 GMT
>  The 300 million taxpayer dollars spent per day to protect us
> from Iraq's non existent WMDs would go along way towards
> reducing road carnage through driver training and education.

A better solution than education is to stop coddling reckless drivers.
People know how to drive properly; they don't do it because the
penalties are so slight.  Hand out license suspensions instead of fines
for moving violatons and the highway crash numbers would nosedive and
that would save society thousands of lives and  billions of $ a year.
Most obvious thing in the world.
G-Net - 03 Jan 2007 13:20 GMT
>>  The 300 million taxpayer dollars spent per day to protect us
>> from Iraq's non existent WMDs would go along way towards
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> that would save society thousands of lives and  billions of $ a year.
> Most obvious thing in the world.

I agree with you BUT, for some reason most people today think that
they have a right to drive so they also think that they can do whatever
they want behind the wheel. Someone needs to impress upon these
morons that a driver's license is NOT a right but a priviledge. I think
taking licenses away in mass quantity and making stiffer penalties
for driving without a license would be a good thing.
necromancer - 03 Jan 2007 23:27 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), G-Net said in
rec.autos.driving:

<<snip Aunt Judy's bullshit>>

> I agree with you BUT, for some reason most people today think that
> they have a right to drive so they also think that they can do whatever
> they want behind the wheel.

And the moron you are replying to (and agreeing with) is the worst among
them. That a.shole has no problem disobeying the law (be it speed
limits, KRETP, maintaining a safe vehicle etc...) to suit its own ends.

> Someone needs to impress upon these
> morons that a driver's license is NOT a right but a priviledge. I think
> taking licenses away in mass quantity

Would this be with or with out due process in a court of law?

> and making stiffer penalties
> for driving without a license would be a good thing.

GOOD! We'll start with yours and SADDAM's licenses!

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Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend admits
to being a deadly speeder:

"There's a 55mph freeway near where i live and
if i do 50, everybody passes me. But if i do
60 very few do."
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HOMICIDE/
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governorswill@comcast.net - 04 Jan 2007 07:40 GMT
>I agree with you BUT, for some reason most people today think that
>they have a right to drive so they also think that they can do whatever
>they want behind the wheel. Someone needs to impress upon these
>morons that a driver's license is NOT a right but a priviledge. I think
>taking licenses away in mass quantity and making stiffer penalties
>for driving without a license would be a good thing.

I think failure to observe lane discipline should be ticketed and
often.

Swill
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 04 Jan 2007 16:23 GMT
> > A better solution than education is to stop coddling reckless drivers.
> > People know how to drive properly; they don't do it because the
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> they have a right to drive so they also think that they can do whatever
> they want behind the wheel.

They've been brainwashed by the media and all those sick commercials
that glorify speeding and reckless driving. And the media is of course,
paid by big bucks by the car companies to air the commercials.   That's
corporate america.  Kill fellow citizens by the thousands if there's
money in it.
Tim Kreitz - 04 Jan 2007 17:32 GMT
> I agree with you BUT, for some reason most people today think that
> they have a right to drive so they also think that they can do whatever
> they want behind the wheel. Someone needs to impress upon these
> morons that a driver's license is NOT a right but a priviledge.

Actually, case law in recent years tends to support the assertion that
driving *is* a right. But like any other right, criminal activity can
result in its loss.

There is no excuse for things like drunk driving, and I support harsh
criminal penalties for doing so. But at the same time, there's also no
excuse for artificially low speed limits on rural roads and highways.
Study has repeatedly shown that restrictive highway speed limits
increase fatalities. The government doesn't much care about those
facts, however, since they make a king's ransom in engorcement
revenues. We'd all be wise to point the finger in the proper direction
when complaining about traffic fatalities.

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
http://www.timkreitz.com
Tim Kreitz - 03 Jan 2007 05:31 GMT
>  The population of the U.S. is somewhat less than 6
> billion.

I was referencing the population of the world.

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
http://www.timkreitz.com
Bill Smith - 28 Dec 2006 00:38 GMT
Oh! The Humanity!

                               Bill Smith

            "There are four kinds of homicide; felonious, excusable,
justifiable, and praiseworthy"

                                   Ambrose Bierce
Keith Schiffner - 28 Dec 2006 00:55 GMT
> Drugs

legal ones

> Booze

is a drug ergo you are a fish.

> Speed

Nope that stuff will kill you! Your teeth rot out
sores all over your body...f.ck that sh.t.

> Teens

If you can survive it you deserve a chance to grow
older...

> Jerks

even grown ups are jerks.

> Macho Men

They is funny yes??? What the the open shirts
hairy chests mustaches half burnt off by flaming
drinks.

> Bikers

ITYM to say Motorcyclist. WE are far more sensble
and responsble than any car driving c.nt.

> Other Fools

Ah you see a fool and I see someone find fun and
adventure THEIR way not yours.

What a coward...PLONK
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 28 Dec 2006 01:07 GMT
> Drugs
>
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> Eve, 44,000 people, give or take several hundred, will have died in
> auto accidents this year.

the COLD-HEARTED BASTARD christian god, BUSY AS USUAL,. COMMITTING MURDER
necromancer - 28 Dec 2006 01:49 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely),  said in
rec.autos.driving:
> Drugs
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Are YOU part of the problem?

<<snip biased article>>

Question: Who gives a flying f.ck?
Answer: Nobody.

I thought about caring once, but decided that I didn't want to spend all
my time entering names into the Darwin Award database.

Begone, troll.

** P * L * O * N * K **


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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 28 Dec 2006 04:25 GMT
Someone wrote:
><<snip biased article>>
>
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>
>** P * L * O * N * K **

ROTFLMAO.

Nice.

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 28 Dec 2006 03:14 GMT
> ---------
>
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>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122600775.html

I, of course have been saying the same thing for years but this is a
pretty good article.  One glaring blunder the guy made is calling these
deaths "accidents" when 99% of them are due to criminal activities like
speeding and drunk driving.

Most americans are idiots and have been brainwashed by the media into
thinking that killing someone with your car somehow doesn't count!!!
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 28 Dec 2006 03:39 GMT
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122600775.html
>
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> Most americans are idiots and have been brainwashed by the media into
> thinking that killing someone with your car somehow doesn't count!!!

and since cops kill people, we need to get rid of all pigs too. problem
solved
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 28 Dec 2006 04:24 GMT
Someone wrote:
>I, of course have been saying the same thing for years but this is a
>pretty good article.  One glaring blunder the guy made is calling these
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Most americans are idiots and have been brainwashed by the media into
>thinking that killing someone with your car somehow doesn't count!!!

I attribute it to that fine, outstanding leadership and acceptance of
responsibility demonstrated by the dishonorable Edward Kennedy.

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necromancer - 01 Jan 2007 13:45 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk
Drivers are MURDERERS a connisseur of gay kid porn and goat semen said
in rec.autos.driving:

> I, of course have been saying the same thing for years but this is a
> pretty good article.

Saying what? That you are full of sh.t? we already knew that.

>  One glaring blunder the guy made is calling these
> deaths "accidents" when 99% of them are due to criminal activities like
> speeding and drunk driving.

Like what your mother was doing in that Motel 6 about 9 months before
you were born.

> Most americans are idiots and have been brainwashed by the media into
> thinking that killing someone with your car somehow doesn't count!!!

BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAAAAA!!! That's right! It doesn't count and
there ain't a damn thing you can do about it! You lose yet again,
scheisskpof!  HAHA!!

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Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend admits
to being a deadly speeder:

"There's a 55mph freeway near where i live and
if i do 50, everybody passes me. But if i do
60 very few do."
      --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/
Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM) 12/17/2004
ref: http://tinyurl.com/np3y6
Message ID: <1103257015.147448.55640@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
torresD - 28 Dec 2006 06:03 GMT
But his letter resulted in
a humiliating letter from
76 Senators,

demanding that the president

"make it clear that the United States,
acting in its own national interests,
stands firm with Israel."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=806601&contrassID=25&
subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1


Posted: December 28, 2006

The leader who saved Israel from Nixon

WASHINGTON -

Betty Ford, the President's wife,
dragged Israel's Prime Minister
onto the dance floor.

Protesting that he did not know
how to dance did nothing to save
Yitzhak Rabin.

Ford explained that she had
taught worse dancers a few moves.

Rabin was saved a minute later
by secretary of state Henry
Kissinger who cut in.

"I will be eternally grateful
for that small mercy," Rabin wrote.

"If he would not have done
anything else for Israel,
Kissinger is worthy of praise
for saving me from that
embarrassment."

The dialogue between Israel and
the United States deteriorated
following Rabin's visit in
September of 1974.

Gerald Ford will always be
remembered as the president
who imposed a "reassessment"
of the relationship.

Only history will tell whether
he change of leadership in Washington -
from Richard Nixon,

impeached over the Watergate scandal,
to his deputy, who died yesterday at
age 93 -

saved Israel from an
equally stern president.

On the eve of his impeachment,
Nixon wanted to press Israel
even more than Ford,
and would have certainly
done so more efficiently.

Ford died yesterday,
still holding on to two records:

The longest living former president,
nd the only president to have not
been elected into office,
neither as president or
vice president.

In a press release yesterday,
President George Bush described
him as a "true gentleman who
reflected the best in America's
character."

Perhaps that is the reason
he is unable to grade better
than "below average" in the
eyes of historians.

There have been few presidents
who entered office in a weaker
position than Ford:

under him Saigon fell
and the economy teetered.

But clashing with Israel was
something he managed to do well.

The strained relations
between Ford and Rabin,

which never reached the level
of warmth shared by their predecessors,
Nixon and Golda Meir,
was only a symptom of
the diplomatic dispute.

The Ford Administration wanted
to strike up an agreement between
Israel and Jordan,
and achieve progress with Egypt.

Rabin was a weak prime
minister domestically,
and was hard pressed
to meet Ford's wishes.

Ford had no real diplomatic experience.

Nixon appointed him vice president
when Spiro Agnew was caught in a
corruption scandal -

and when the president stepped
down in the wake of Watergate,
Ford became president for
nearly 900 days.

In any case, most of his work
as president was cleaning up the
mess left by his predecessor.

Yesterday, America remembered
him mostly for pardoning Nixon -
a decision originally said to
have destroyed the few chances
he had of winning the 1976 elections,

and later lauded
as a courageous,
appropriate move.

His March 1975 announcement
that the U.S. policy in the
Middle East would undergo a
"reassessment" was not seen
in similar light.

More than anything this was
an expression of frustration
over the failure of Kissinger's

"shuttle diplomacy" in bringing
about further achievements in
Arab-Israeli relations following
initial successes.

Kissinger,
who ran Ford's policy and
basically accused Israel of
intransigence,

encountered a crisis of
confidence with Rabin.

The prime minister thought
Kissinger was lying to him -

and the secretary of
state was indeed lying.

He had promised Rabin that
he would not blame Israel
for the crisis but did so
anyway,

also in his private briefings
to the president.

Ford was "mad as hell," he says.

A threatening letter to Israel
was among the worse ever sent:

"Failure of the negotiations will
have a far-reaching impact on the
region and on our relations,"
the president wrote.

But his letter resulted in
a humiliating letter from
76 Senators,

demanding that the president

"make it clear that the United States,
acting in its own national interests,
stands firm with Israel."

They taught him a lesson on
the limits of his political power.

Still, Ford managed to make some gains,
in spite of the limitations imposed
on him and his secretary of state
by hawkish and dovish quarters alike.

The government of Israel proved
sufficiently flexible to allow a
further agreement in Sinai,

and used the American desire
for a peace agreement to squeeze
further aid from the U.S.

One can argue that he was the
President first paving the way
toward an Israeli-Egyptian
peace agreement.

Ford presided over a transitional period.

He reacted to events that his
predecessors set in motion,
but his short tenure,
and perhaps his affable
character,

did not allow him to formulate
new policy in nearly any area.

The American public also proved
reluctant to view him as a
long-term leader.

He was pressured from within
his party by the charismatic
Ronald Reagan, and from the left,
an unknown governor from Georgia,

Jimmy Carter,
promised the American public
what only an outsider could do:
clean house.

Carter, in his inaugural speech
best described Ford's legacy:

"For myself and my country,
I want to thank my predecessor
for all he has done to heal
our land."
BE - 28 Dec 2006 20:43 GMT
Ignorant post.  America is a violent society because of the freedoms we
have.  Nothing new.
kirb - 28 Dec 2006 21:37 GMT
> Drugs
>
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>
> Are YOU part of the problem?

China forces parents to one child to control population. We let people
kill themselves.

Much better for our karma.

Kirb
Rob Kleinschmidt - 29 Dec 2006 00:06 GMT
> China forces parents to one child to control population. We let people
> kill themselves.
>
> Much better for our karma.

We let people accidentally kill themselves. We get very
upset if we feel they're doing it on purpose.
BrianNZ - 29 Dec 2006 00:27 GMT
>> China forces parents to one child to control population. We let people
>> kill themselves.
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> We let people accidentally kill themselves. We get very
> upset if we feel they're doing it on purpose.

Death penalty for failed suicides should do the trick!
Azaliah - 29 Dec 2006 05:40 GMT
>>> China forces parents to one child to control population. We let people
>>> kill themselves.
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>
>Death penalty for failed suicides should do the trick!

Dude! :)

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Turby - 29 Dec 2006 09:17 GMT
>>> China forces parents to one child to control population. We let people
>>> kill themselves.
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>>
>Death penalty for failed suicides should do the trick!

It's often called suicide by cop. A person wants to kill himself and
cops are willing to oblige.

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pieface - 29 Dec 2006 01:32 GMT
>>Drugs
>>
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>
> Kirb

And I understand they want male babies so if a female is born they give
it a shot of pure alcohol in the soft spot in the head.
Azaliah - 29 Dec 2006 05:40 GMT
>> China forces parents to one child to control population. We let people
>> kill themselves.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>And I understand they want male babies so if a female is born they give
>it a shot of pure alcohol in the soft spot in the head.

Dude, you have issues. :)

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Hugh Gibbons - 29 Dec 2006 07:21 GMT
> > Drugs
> >
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> China forces parents to one child to control population. We let people
> kill themselves.

Really?  Cause this engineer I met from near Shanghai told me he has a
sister.

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kirb - 29 Dec 2006 12:24 GMT
> > > Drugs
> > >
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> Really?  Cause this engineer I met from near Shanghai told me he has a
> sister.

You can have more than one if you have money, but that kills the
joke....so does this post describing it.

Kirb
 
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