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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / January 2007I love Cruise Control....
...Its so freaking great for annoying cops! <snicker> Decided to take a late evening walk on the beach here after dinner. SO, I get on the causeway to the Island and lo and behold, I see that there's a impatient State Trooper (taligating me and easing over to the left to check for a safe passing spot) following me about two feet from my bumper. The posted SL is 55MPH, so I set the cruise control for about ~53MPH and just happliy sloth along (this is one time where I consider sloth to be OK) and irritating this nit wit for about 4 miles - where he decided to turn into the welcome center/state patrol post. <sarcasm> Happy New Year, copper! </sarcasm></snicker> > ...Its so freaking great for annoying cops! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Happy New Year, copper! > </sarcasm></snicker> Happy New Year to you also. Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle snakes. Ed "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> Decided to take a late evening walk on the beach here after dinner. SO, >> I get on the causeway to the Island and lo and behold, I see that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >snakes. What would you have him do? Speed up and risk getting a speeding ticket? Seems to me the snake drew first blood by tailgating.  SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > snakes. He did the only thing he could do, drive a hair under the posted speed limit. If the cops don't like the speed limit they should get the law changed, just like they tell us right? Your comment does point out yet another problem with underposted speed limits. There is a gamble involved everytime you encounter a cop on the road. Do you drive the posted limit and risk pissing him off and there by get a revenge ticket or do you drive the speed of traffic so as not to piss him off but risk a ticket because the officer hasn't made his performance goal for the week/month/year ? Which ticket are you going to risk getting? Obviously, I'd rather delay the officer's travel by driving a hair under the posted limit. This makes him finding a reason to write a ticket more difficult (unless he'll just lie) plus, if he really is in a hurry he won't bother pulling someone over which only delays him more than driving the posted limit. If he's short on making his performance objective, driving the speed of traffic in response to his tailgating is just playing into his hand. > > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > > snakes. > > He did the only thing he could do, drive a hair under the posted speed > limit. Actually he could driven at exactly the posted limit. Graham >> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Graham If you're sure enough of your speedometer to do it, or you have your GPS on and can get accurate speed readings that way. Dave Head >>> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >>> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If you're sure enough of your speedometer to do it, or you have your GPS on and > can get accurate speed readings that way. Don't you love how the drive the speed limit types expect people to hold to exactly the limit, not hair over or under? > >>> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > >>> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Don't you love how the drive the speed limit types expect people to hold > to exactly the limit, not hair over or under? I'm not a 'drive the speed limit type'. I'm just pointing out the obvious error. I have in fact been known to intentionally 'cruise' past police cars at about 5 mph differential speed. They can't really stop you for it but it does irritate them wonderfully. I've once had them flash their main beams at me for that - lol ! Graham > Don't you love how the drive the speed limit types expect people to hold > to exactly the limit, not hair over or under? heh heh. You must have forgotten about me when you wrote that. While I maintain that driving the speed limit is the right thing to do, I've never been one to worry about some reasonable margin over or under. Way over or way under is a different issue. And with regards to the original poster: THAT would be the time to have the dashboard/backwards camera rolling. There's no excuse for a tailgating cop any more than for you or me. > While I maintain that driving the speed limit is the right thing to do, > I've never been one to worry about some reasonable margin over or > under. Way over or way under is a different issue. AKA... The 'don't drive faster or slower than me' system that too many people employ on the roads. How about the keep-right-except to pass stay out your way as I'd have you stay out of mine system? >>While I maintain that driving the speed limit is the right thing to do, >>I've never been one to worry about some reasonable margin over or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > How about the keep-right-except to pass stay out your way as I'd have you > stay out of mine system? Nah, makes too much sense, and also requires that people put their egos aside while driving... hey, that guy's driving FASTER THAN ME! That's not right! SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! I'll block him... to keep the roads safe! FOR THE CHIIIIILLLLDRUUUUUN! nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > > While I maintain that driving the speed limit is the right thing to do, > > I've never been one to worry about some reasonable margin over or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > How about the keep-right-except to pass stay out your way as I'd have you > stay out of mine system? How about just driving the 'flow' so you're not causing turbulence? Harry K >> > While I maintain that driving the speed limit is the right thing to do, >> > I've never been one to worry about some reasonable margin over or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > How about just driving the 'flow' so you're not causing turbulence? If keeping right except to pass. But the problem is the flow speed is technically illegal. > >> > While I maintain that driving the speed limit is the right thing to do, > >> > I've never been one to worry about some reasonable margin over or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If keeping right except to pass. But the problem is the flow speed is > technically illegal. quite true but it remains the safest speed to drive and one will rarely be 'hooked up' by a cop doing so. Harry K >> If keeping right except to pass. But the problem is the flow speed is >> technically illegal. > quite true but it remains the safest speed to drive and one will rarely > be 'hooked up' by a cop doing so. Perhaps for most people. I'm just not that lucky so in many circumstances I have a choice between risking a ticket or driving so slow as to risk a collision and need to decide between them or try for a balancing act. >>>>>While I maintain that driving the speed limit is the right thing to do, >>>>>I've never been one to worry about some reasonable margin over or [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Harry K Rarely <> "never" and that is the problem that a lot of us have. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > >> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > >> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If you're sure enough of your speedometer to do it, or you have your GPS on and > can get accurate speed readings that way. Show me a speedo that ever under-read ! Graham >> >> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >> >> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Graham One's where someone put on bigger tires than original. Dave Head > >> >> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > >> >> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > One's where someone put on bigger tires than original. That's their own silly fault ! What did they do that for anyway ? Graham >> >> >> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >> >> >> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Graham Some people do it to gain a little more ground clearance for getting thru snow. Others use tire size as a way to change the final gear ratio of a car for more top speed. Some do it because that was the only tire that the tire store had in stock that would closely match their rims and wheel well clearances. My Jeep has slightly larger tires because they were all that was available with the big knobby tread pattern I wanted to help with cruising Michigan backroads during deer season, without getting stuck. The happy footnote to that was that, due to the under-reading speedo that the Jeep used to have, and the bigger tires, the speedometer is dead-nuts on. How about that. Dave Head > >> >> >> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > >> >> >> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that, due to the under-reading speedo that the Jeep used to have, and the > bigger tires, the speedometer is dead-nuts on. How about that. It's often called a 'happy accident'. Don't mention it to Judy though. Graham > > >Show me a speedo that ever under-read ! > > > > One's where someone put on bigger tires than original. > > That's their own silly fault ! What did they do that for anyway ? To clear bigger brakes ... -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; done that) > > > >Show me a speedo that ever under-read ! > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > To clear bigger brakes ... Bigger *wheels* as opposed to bigger *tires*, right? :) E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> > > >Show me a speedo that ever under-read ! >> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Bigger *wheels* as opposed to bigger *tires*, right? Both, actually. Better brakes aren't much good if you don't have good traction. :) SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > I hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. rotfl...especially if the tires have sandpaper treads. :) Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Both, actually. To clear bigger brakes? Tires aren't part of the equation. Well, other than the fact you do need some tires. > Better brakes aren't much good if you don't have good traction. :) Fade, pedal feel, effort and modulation are all mostly independent of tires. E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Fade, pedal feel, effort and modulation are all mostly independent of >tires. Q: Which part of the car actually contacts the road, and provides 100% of the frictional forces that allow a car to accelerate, steer, and stop? A) The brake pads B) The brake rotors C) The wheels D) The tires If you improve A and/or B without improving D, all you'll do is lock 'em up faster. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > A) The brake pads > B) The brake rotors > C) The wheels > D) The tires > If you improve A and/or B without improving D, all you'll do is lock > 'em up faster. It depends on how good your brakes are in the first place. Replacing the stock single piston sliding caliper brakes on the front of my mustang with 2000 cobra R 4 piston calipers with bigger rotors made a world of difference. While I did change wheels to fit them, the rim size and tire size remained the same. Simply needed a different spoke design to clear the calipers. > > A) The brake pads > > B) The brake rotors [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > size remained the same. Simply needed a different spoke design to clear the > calipers. Exactly. Brake "feel", including initial bite, modulation, pedal effort and brake fade are all *independent* of tire choice. Ultimate braking power depends on the friction contact between road and tire. But how one arrives at that point (and how well one can do it over and over) depends on the braking system. E.P. > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > If you improve A and/or B without improving D, all you'll do is lock > 'em up faster. You need to do some research on the subject. You obviously are talking through your, uh, hat. E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> >> Better brakes aren't much good if you don't have good traction. :) >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >You need to do some research on the subject. You obviously are talking >through your, uh, hat. >Ultimate braking power depends on the friction contact between road and >tire. I wish you'd make up your mind... SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I wish you'd make up your mind... Yeah, when you selectively snip, it makes it sound like something totally different. Are you always this dishonest, or only on usenet? E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Are you always this dishonest, or only on usenet? Where "dishonest" is defined as "exposing Ed's inconsistent statements?" SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Where "dishonest" is defined as "exposing Ed's inconsistent > statements?" Nice strawman. Dishonest is snipping so as to paint a dishonest picture of the commentary ACTUALLY written. The statements are not inconsistent. We are talking about two different things, and you seem to think they are the same thing. E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >The statements are not inconsistent. We are talking about two >different things, and you seem to think they are the same thing. I'll readily admit I don't know what you're talking about. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > I'll readily admit I don't know what you're talking about. Then go back and read for comprehension. Keep in mind that there are two separate concepts under discussion. E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> I'll readily admit I don't know what you're talking about. > >Then go back and read for comprehension. > >Keep in mind that there are two separate concepts under discussion. Originally there wasn't. You're the one who introduced the irrelevant line of discussion. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Originally there wasn't. You're the one who introduced the irrelevant > line of discussion. Obviously you can't read, nor can you follow a conversation: [I wrote] >Bigger *wheels* as opposed to bigger *tires*, right? > :) [You wrote in reply] Both, actually. Better brakes aren't much good if you don't have good traction. :) (end copy/paste) Your lack of understanding WRT braking dynamics vs. "grip" is not my problem. People *do* upgrade their braking systems and not their tires to get better control over braking, and to reduce or eliminate fade. So, no, not "both, actually." Better brakes *can* and *do* do "much good" with the same traction as before the brake upgrade. Being able to control braking better can lead to shorter stops with no change in tire compound, ESPECIALLY if you improve modulation. And, if you are doing repeated braking, larger disks and better pads can make the 20th application just as sure as the first, which is really handy sometimes. (Think nice, seldom-travelled curvy mountain road, and a nice summer day, and pushing the car a bit.) E.P. >Q: Which part of the car actually contacts the road, and provides 100% >of the frictional forces that allow a car to accelerate, steer, and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >If you improve A and/or B without improving D, all you'll do is lock >'em up faster. Nope. If you improve the pads and rotors, you can maintain braking at the limit of the tires' adhesion longer. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >>Q: Which part of the car actually contacts the road, and provides 100% >>of the frictional forces that allow a car to accelerate, steer, and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Nope. If you improve the pads and rotors, you can maintain braking at > the limit of the tires' adhesion longer. A lot of the benefit of "bigger" brakes comes not from increased brake torque, but increased stability of various components, making the brakes easier to modulate. You don't realize it, but everything flexes - including those cast iron calipers. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > >>Q: Which part of the car actually contacts the road, and provides 100% > >>of the frictional forces that allow a car to accelerate, steer, and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > easier to modulate. You don't realize it, but everything flexes - > including those cast iron calipers. The difference between stock G60 Girling calipers and Porsche 993TT Brembo calipers is night and day. Add 323mm vs. 276mm rotors, and stainless steel braided flex lines, and you have initial bite, pedal feel/effort and modulation that the car *should have come with.* This is all with the stock OEM wheels and all (no)-season tires. Of course, the clearance between the calipers and the wheels is pretty tight, but it's not too bad overall. Audi Motorsport was very nice for doing the R&D required to manufacture the appropriate caliper-strut adapter brackets for us. :) If you didn't drive a company car, and had an extra $10k lying around <snort>, the 92-95.5 Audi S-cars would probably really float your boat, you having a German car bent. Originally about $50k, they can haul a.ses while hauling a.s. :) Back to the point - the OEM G60s that the N. America cars got are frightenly merely adequate for just driving around. For any kind of spirited driving, you need better, and better is absolutely required if you take the car to the track. Those puny 276s will fade before you get one lap around. !!! The difference is really very impressive. A very cost-effective performance mod for these cars. And neither the OEM wheels nor the tire width needs to be changed. E.P. > > >>Q: Which part of the car actually contacts the road, and provides 100% > > >>of the frictional forces that allow a car to accelerate, steer, and [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > E.P. I was confused there for a second... I was thinking "G60" as in "Volkswagen Corrado G60..." I do see your point, however, I'm going to have to make do with what I've got for a while... as soon as I get aforementioned Corrado back on the road, I'll be sending the Porsche to a local mechanic for evaluation if it's worth fixing or not... :( I hope it can be saved, I'll be sad to see it go. nate > > The difference between stock G60 Girling calipers and Porsche 993TT > > Brembo calipers is night and day. Add 323mm vs. 276mm rotors, and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I was confused there for a second... I was thinking "G60" as in > "Volkswagen Corrado G60..." It's the model of Girling caliper - sorry about that. > I do see your point, however, I'm going to have to make do with what > I've got for a while... as soon as I get aforementioned Corrado back on > the road, I'll be sending the Porsche to a local mechanic for > evaluation if it's worth fixing or not... :( I hope it can be saved, > I'll be sad to see it go. Both the Corrado and the 944 are hideous cars to work on, as the engine bays are cramped, and the parts for both cars are fairly expensive. You can bet that VW/Audi will so obsolete most of the Corrado-specific parts soon - as they just did with Ur-quattro parts. That means they'll be NLA. Since the UrS-cars are C4 bodies, they'll have plenty of C4-type spares in the U.S. for quite some time. And because the 20VT AAN motor was used quite a bit in Europe, the parts for those will be around a while as well. In addition, for not too much additional cash, you can get 350AWHP out of the things from several east coast tuners. Plus the UrS community in the east is very active. If you have any wrench skills at all, the C4 cars are *very* easy to do your own work on. And the support from the community on this is incredible. Sorry about the 944 - what's it's malfunction? Go to the Audiworld UrS4/S6 forum and poke around a while. You'll get a flavor for both the costs and the benefits of ownership for these beasts. E.P. '95 UrS6. Not stock. :) >>>The difference between stock G60 Girling calipers and Porsche 993TT >>>Brembo calipers is night and day. Add 323mm vs. 276mm rotors, and [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > parts soon - as they just did with Ur-quattro parts. That means > they'll be NLA. I'm sure. Which is doubly sad because I sure would like to have an Ur-Quattro as well, and they're almost in my price range :) > Since the UrS-cars are C4 bodies, they'll have plenty of C4-type spares > in the U.S. for quite some time. And because the 20VT AAN motor was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sorry about the 944 - what's it's malfunction? I don't know - that's the problem! It's got a hideous vibration at speed that apparently only I and my future father-in-law can feel; three mechanics claim that either there *is* no vibration and/or that what I'm feeling is perfectly normal. It feels for all the world like CV joints but all are brand new - some of them replaced twice. Tires have been replaced, and wheels balanced repeatedly, as well as have been test-swapped with "known good" wheels and tires. I've spent a ludicrous amount of money on this issue (probably close to $2K at this point) and it's not much better. I think it's likely either in the torque tube or transaxle, whatever it is. The clutch feels a little squirrelly as well, so if the torque tube has to come out I'm going to request a new clutch, assuming that it's not something terminal. As it is, though, I don't trust the car for more than driving around town, and I can't afford to keep useless machinery around. > Go to the Audiworld UrS4/S6 forum and poke around a while. You'll get > a flavor for both the costs and the benefits of ownership for these [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > '95 UrS6. Not stock. :) We'll see if I'm going to be car shopping or not... if I do end up buying something, it may be an old beater redneck pickup truck; now that I'm officially a homeowner I'm starting to have more and more uses for one. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > > Both the Corrado and the 944 are hideous cars to work on, as the engine > > bays are cramped, and the parts for both cars are fairly expensive. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm sure. Which is doubly sad because I sure would like to have an > Ur-Quattro as well, and they're almost in my price range :) Not the upkeep. These beasts, while sooo fun to drive, cost a bundle to keep on the road. > > Since the UrS-cars are C4 bodies, they'll have plenty of C4-type spares > > in the U.S. for quite some time. And because the 20VT AAN motor was [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I think it's likely either in the torque tube or transaxle, whatever it > is. The description sounded to me like torque tube as well. One of those bearings is shot, I'll betcha. Alfa GTV6s would get the same sort of thing. (Same driveline layout.) > The clutch feels a little squirrelly as well, so if the torque tube > has to come out I'm going to request a new clutch, assuming that it's > not something terminal. As it is, though, I don't trust the car for > more than driving around town, and I can't afford to keep useless > machinery around. Roger that. > > Go to the Audiworld UrS4/S6 forum and poke around a while. You'll get > > a flavor for both the costs and the benefits of ownership for these [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > buying something, it may be an old beater redneck pickup truck; now that > I'm officially a homeowner I'm starting to have more and more uses for one. Yeah, practicality. Pfffft. :) I wanted to get a mid-80's 911 for what I paid for my UrS. But car seats don't go well in those, and making the trip across the state and over a mountain pass wouldn't be much fun with two cramped kids in the back and ice on the roads. Damn family obligations. LOL. Yeah, a pickup would be nice. Or a mid-90's Dodge minivan. You can get one of those for $2500 and sometimes less. Good luck with the Porsche. Come on over to AW anyway - you might just like the witty banter. Heh. E.P. russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in rec.autos.driving: >>Q: Which part of the car actually contacts the road, and provides 100% >>of the frictional forces that allow a car to accelerate, steer, and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Nope. If you improve the pads and rotors, you can maintain braking at >the limit of the tires' adhesion longer. Without fade, you mean? OK, I'll buy that. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > OK, I'll buy that. LOL. You must have "missed" that when I first mentioned it, huh? E.P. "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in >> rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >LOL. You must have "missed" that when I first mentioned it, huh? Perhaps it was your disjointed and confusing presentation? SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > "Ed Pirrero" <gcmschemist@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Perhaps it was your disjointed and confusing presentation? Since you had to cobble quotes out of two posts together to make your point, I think we can dismiss that "explanation" as self-serving. E.P. > > > >Show me a speedo that ever under-read ! > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > To clear bigger brakes ... Dare I ask.... why bigger brakes ? Graham >> > > >Show me a speedo that ever under-read ! >> > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Graham High performance deceleration - some people's road cars are also their race cars on weekends. DPH >>> > > >Show me a speedo that ever under-read ! >>> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >>Dare I ask.... why bigger brakes ? Why not? Does EVERYTHING -have- to stay factory stock? There would be little or no innovation or advances in automotion without people who customize their vehicles. >>Graham > > High performance deceleration - some people's road cars are also their > race cars on weekends. > > DPH Or less fade under ordinary braking conditions. (and to add better tires for better road grip) SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > Why not? > Does EVERYTHING -have- to stay factory stock? In the world of claybrookian thought, yep. >>> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >>> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dave Head I like driving with my GPS. My Dodge turbo has plenty of torque and doesn't slow down even on a steep incline. It rides smooth, and if I don't use cruise, I tend to be going faster than I think I am when I glance down for a speed check. And then there's all that glancing down. With cruise, you look around more, and I think, drive better. STeve >>>> > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >>>> > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >STeve Agree. Cruise is wonderful. Dave Head Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in rec.autos.driving: > > > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > > > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Actually he could driven at exactly the posted limit. Nothing illegal about going slightly under the limit. Hopefully I made him late for wherever he was going. SignatureLBMHB/lb-VH/SADDAM supports the troops: "Like hell. The Morons will just get a couple other jarheads to take the place of these two. " --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, Sept 13, 2006 10:43PM Ref: http://tinyurl.com/y6gbk2 Message ID: dujhg25i1fecsoh791df5qe1fmk7fiu0na@4ax.com necromancer wrote: <brevity snip> > Nothing illegal about going slightly under the limit. Hopefully I made > him late for wherever he was going. Seems rather unlikely over a distance of 4 miles. Your love for cruise control... might lead one to believe that without it you might not have this significant accomplishment to add to your driving resume... ----- - gpsman Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), gpsman said in rec.autos.driving: > necromancer wrote: <brevity snip> > > > Nothing illegal about going slightly under the limit. Hopefully I made > > him late for wherever he was going. > > Seems rather unlikely over a distance of 4 miles. The way that he was itching to get around me, he was late for something. > Your love for cruise control... Its just a tool for frustrating cops. > might lead one to believe that without > it you might not have this significant accomplishment to add to your > driving resume... No, just would have required a little more attention on my part. And I don't consider it an accomplishment of any significance save for providing me with my own entertainment over this drive. I take it that you are disappointed that this cop didn't wipe his a.s with my Constitutional Rights in a bogus traffic stop... Signature"Look down on me, you will see a fool. Look up at me, you will see your lord. Look straight at me, you will see yourself." - Charles Manson > necromancer wrote: <brevity snip> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it you might not have this significant accomplishment to add to your > driving resume... Driving at a constant speed without cruise is near impossible. Graham Eeyore wrote: <brevity snip> > Driving at a constant speed without cruise is near impossible. A competent driver can equal or better cruise control at maintaining a "constant" velocity, especially easily where elevation changes occur. YMMV. ----- - gpsman >> necromancer wrote: <brevity snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Graham Aw, jeez, the drivers in the Great Race, a speedometer only rally held each year here in the US, has drivers that arrive at checkpoints within several seconds of when they should, using only the speedometer, over distances of many miles. Dave Head > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Nothing illegal about going slightly under the limit. Hopefully I made > him late for wherever he was going. If that suited your purpose - fine by me for sure. I have no argument with traffic cops ( over here they are specialist units ) because they've always been 100% fair with me on the odd occasions they've pulled me over. I was in fact 'let off' a speeding ticket where the signage had been obscured and I was observing 40 rather than 30. I just got a written caution instead of a fine. On other occasions I've just had verbal cautions. I am in fact wholly ticket free for my entire driving career. Graham > > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > > snakes. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > short on making his performance objective, driving the speed of traffic > in response to his tailgating is just playing into his hand. This is why you should always make sure that even if your car is a beater that it has no obvious safety violations - repair/replace broken lenses, glass, burned out bulbs etc. as soon as possible, no sense risking a fix-it ticket in a situation like this. nate Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), C. E. White said in rec.autos.driving: > > ...Its so freaking great for annoying cops! > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > snakes. And just what did I do? Obey the law that he's paid to enforce? Signature"My tars have been bald for two years. Every month i glue some sandpaper to them and everythings cool." --Laura Buch murdered her boyfriend / laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE 10/25/05 Message ID: s2ttl1tgnpq5pr6p48lr111p3lnvr4blch@4ax.com http://tinyurl.com/7p7xq > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), C. E. White said > in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And just what did I do? Obey the law that he's paid to enforce? Just how far from your rear bumper was he ? Graham Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in rec.autos.driving: > > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), C. E. White said > > in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just how far from your rear bumper was he ? Couldn't tell exactly (oh to have had a range finder in the car...), save for I couldn't see his headlights in my rear view mirror, so I'm comfortable saying that he wasn't maintaining a 2 second gap between vehicles.... > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > comfortable saying that he wasn't maintaining a 2 second gap between > vehicles.... In vehicle lengths perhaps ? 1 sec = 80ft @ 55 mph. Graham Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in rec.autos.driving: > > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > In vehicle lengths perhaps ? 1 sec = 80ft @ 55 mph. As I mentioned earlier, his headlights (and leading edge) were obscured by the rear deck lid, meaning (to me) that he was well within the 88 ft of a 1 second gap. I'd hazard that he was more like 15 feet off my bumper. Signature"God will take good care of you... Just do as I say, don't do as I do..." --Phil Collins > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > of a 1 second gap. I'd hazard that he was more like 15 feet off my > bumper. That's idiotic ! Any other cars around ? Graham Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in rec.autos.driving: > > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > That's idiotic ! That's the GA State Patrol for ya.... > Any other cars around ? Some heading the opposite direction. This is where the scenario played out (on the 2 lane road heading southeast toward one fo the barrier islands): http://tinyurl.com/yfrp2e Signature"God will take good care of you.... Just do as I say, don't do as I do!!" --Phil Collins from "Jesus, He knows me" > > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > That's idiotic ! Pretty normal cop behavior IME. nate >> > > In vehicle lengths perhaps ? 1 sec = 80ft @ 55 mph. >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pretty normal cop behavior IME. That's SOP for cop driving around here. 15 feet is a huge following distance for a cop in a hurry. It's less than 10 feet when headlamps vanish from my rear view mirror and I've had cops that close and closer a number of times and seen them do it to other people far more often. > >> > > In vehicle lengths perhaps ? 1 sec = 80ft @ 55 mph. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > vanish from my rear view mirror and I've had cops that close and closer a > number of times and seen them do it to other people far more often. 10 feet @ 55 mph = 125 milliseconds ! If you had to brake suddenly he'd be up your backside. Graham > > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > That's idiotic ! Pretty normal cop behavior IME. nate > > > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > > > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Pretty normal cop behavior IME. Not here I'm glad to say. Graham > Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle > snakes. So now driving the speed limit is provoking a state trooper? What's a guy to do? >> Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >> snakes. > > So now driving the speed limit is provoking a state trooper? > > What's a guy to do? Could be. Here in Las Vegas, about a year ago, a carful of people was doing the speed limit on the freeway. A highway cruiser running at 129 mph rearended them, killing four. The trooper said that he was in a hurry to get home to take an online history test, and had a deadline. There was talk of him trying to catch his wife with another man, but that was never proven. He was not running code. (red lights and siren) He was not running in the fast lane. The people in the Caddy were doing the speed limit and were dead right. Steve > The people in the Caddy were doing the speed limit and were dead right. There was no reasonable speed the Caddy could have been doing that would have had a preventive effect. There's a reason for speed limits. This is it. There is no excuse whatsoever for the cop's behavior. I hope he gets what any of us would have gotten. Not that that would help the victims or their families.... "C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >Provoking State Troopers makes about as much sense as poking at rattle >snakes. So what would you have done? SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. If anyone is looking to build a hobby/kit, take a look http://www.gpscruise.com It hooks to your cruise control and beeps if you are speeding. Nothing like it. I have about 4 of us putting speed limits in. The gizmo make it easy, fun and it helps pass the time in my car on long trips. Anyway, perhaps this will obsolete speed-limit signs.... -jim pruett > It hooks to your cruise control and beeps if you are speeding. > Nothing like it. over use of technology. My grandfather's 1976 oldsmobile had some sort settable buzzer on the speedo. Probably some way of reminding people about the double nickle or keeping it from sucking fuel. Or then again maybe it was something my grandfather rigged. It certainly didn't need GPS. "cellurl" <gpscruise@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >If anyone is looking to build a hobby/kit, take a look [Mindless SPAMmer's link omitted] >It hooks to your cruise control and beeps if you are speeding. >Nothing like it. You obviously have no idea how it works. If it has a GPS receiver, it can determine your speed without being hooked up to anything except a source of electric power. WTF is the cruise control connection for? >I have about 4 of us putting speed limits in. >The gizmo make it easy, fun and it helps pass the time in my car on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >-jim pruett I wish someone would invent a device that would allow me to remotely electrocute dumbass SPAMmers. Not only was your post completely moronic, but you hijacked a completely unrelated thread to post your bullshit. Never was a good PLONKing more deserved. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. |
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