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Scott en Aztlán - 07 Jan 2007 00:19 GMT Those handfuls of marbles you like to toss could land you in the pokey!
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/012007/01052007/248844
Tossing bag nets 2 years
Woman sentenced to prison for flinging sack containing soft drink from her vehicle into another on Interstate 95.
Date published: 1/5/2007
By KEITH EPPS
A Stafford jury yesterday recommended that a woman serve two years in prison for throwing a McDonald's bag containing an ice cold drink at another motorist on Interstate 95 last year.
Jessica Julia Hall, a 25-year-old mother of three, was convicted of throwing a missile at an occupied vehicle, a felony, stemming from a July 2 incident on Interstate 95 in Stafford. No one was injured in the incident.
A jury deliberated nearly five hours over two days before announcing its decision yesterday in Stafford Circuit Court.
Hall was also convicted of three misdemeanors stemming from the incident, which some around the courthouse have dubbed the "McMissile Case."
Hall's bond was revoked yesterday and she will be in jail at least until her formal sentencing on Feb. 21, when defense attorney Terence Patton is sure to ask a judge to reduce or suspend altogether the two years Hall is facing.
Hall, whose husband is a Marine serving in Iraq, had no prior criminal record.
According to evidence presented by prosecutor George Elsasser, Hall and other family members were on their way from North Carolina to New York when they ran into stalled traffic in the North Stafford area.
A fatal accident in Prince William was the reason for what Elsasser described as "slow and go" traffic.
Pete Ballin, a Washington man who was also heading north from North Carolina, testified that he was in the left lane going only a few miles per hour when Hall passed him on the shoulder of the highway, then cut in front of him, forcing Ballin to hit his brakes to avoid a collision.
Ballin said he got into the middle lane to get away from Hall, who he said had been driving erratically for some time. He ended up passing her again when the left lane she was in came to a stop.
Ballin said that after he returned to the left lane, Hall got onto the shoulder of the road and passed him again. This time there wasn't room for her to cut back in front of him, and Ballin said he wouldn't have let her in anyway.
Ballin testified that as she passed him the second time, he gave her a gesture expressing exasperation with her driving. A short time later, he said, her car door opened and the McDonald's bag went flying past his face.
After liquid got all over him and his passenger, Eliza Fowle, Ballin said he pulled to the shoulder in part because he wasn't sure what had been thrown into his car.
Ballin said he got back onto the travel lane after a woman got out of Hall's car and moved hurriedly toward his vehicle.
He said Hall continued to follow him into Prince William County, where he saw a state trooper in the median. The trooper, Clinton Preston II, was finishing up paperwork from the fatal wreck that had traffic stalled.
As Ballin was telling Preston what had happened, Hall drove by. Preston stopped her after Ballin pointed her out.
Preston testified that Hall told him she threw the drink at Ballin because he'd angered her by cutting her off several times. She said she didn't mean to hit the passenger, Preston said.
Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her actions to "giving someone the finger."
Elsasser argued that it was much more serious than that, saying such actions could lead to serious accidents, especially on a major highway.
Hall was also convicted of reckless driving, assault and battery and assault. The jury recommended a total of $1,000 in fines for those convictions.
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Dave Head - 07 Jan 2007 01:28 GMT >Those handfuls of marbles you like to toss could land you in the >pokey! Hey, its Virginia. Anything you do can get you tossed in jail... including doing nothing.
DPH
>http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/012007/01052007/248844 > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >assault. The jury recommended a total of $1,000 in fines for those >convictions. Dave - 07 Jan 2007 02:08 GMT > Those handfuls of marbles you like to toss could land you in the > pokey! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > July 2 incident on Interstate 95 in Stafford. No one was injured in > the incident. I agree with this sentence, and hope it isn't reduced by even one day. Some presumably psychotic stranger throwing an unknown liquid at you is really f.cking scary, to put it bluntly. It doesn't matter if said liquid is in a McD's bag. Anything can be put in a McD's bag. I'd have been tempted to do whatever was necessary to get to an emergency room, and I mean RIGHT DAMNED NOW, to have it analyzed. It would have been tough (maybe impossible) to do that in the kind of traffic described, without taking many considerable risks, putting the general public in danger.
This was not road rage. It was felonious assault. If anything, the sentence is too light. -Dave
MLOM - 07 Jan 2007 04:10 GMT > > Those handfuls of marbles you like to toss could land you in the > > pokey! [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > This was not road rage. It was felonious assault. If anything, the > sentence is too light. -Dave Exactly. At least it wasn't a hamburger, which military folks call "gut grenades."
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 06:11 GMT >>Those handfuls of marbles you like to toss could land you in the >>pokey! [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > This was not road rage. It was felonious assault. If anything, the > sentence is too light. -Dave If nothing else, passing on the shoulder and cutting back into traffic is assaholic to begin with and personally I don't care what they charge her with as long as she loses her license.
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gpsman - 07 Jan 2007 06:19 GMT Nate Nagel wrote: <brevity snip>
> If nothing else, passing on the shoulder and cutting back into traffic > is assaholic to begin with and personally I don't care what they charge > her with as long as she loses her license. Why? She said the guy angered her. No harm/no foul. -----
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Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 13:54 GMT > Nate Nagel wrote: <brevity snip> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - gpsman That makes exactly as much sense as all your other posts. back under your bridge with you!
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Dave - 07 Jan 2007 18:22 GMT > Nate Nagel wrote: <brevity snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why? She said the guy angered her. No harm/no foul. No, I agree . . . the bitch should lose her license as well. That way the general public isn't in danger after she's released (hopefully no earlier than 2009). If she can't control her anger well enough to avoid committing FELONIOUS assault on a fellow driver, she has NO fricking business behind the wheel of a deadly weapon. -Dave
Brent P - 07 Jan 2007 09:17 GMT > Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she > did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her > actions to "giving someone the finger." Mutal my a.s. Shoulder passing bitch is 110% at fault.
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 13:58 GMT >>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her >>actions to "giving someone the finger." > > Mutal my a.s. Shoulder passing bitch is 110% at fault. Exactly. Oh noes, big meanie driver had the temerity to make a "gesture of exasperation" after being passed on the shoulder and cut off by this c.nt twice, so she throws her trash into his car? And then tries to confront him? I bet she's lots of fun at parties.
I can honestly say that I think I've only passed another driver on the shoulder once, and that was because the other driver was doing about 45 in the left lane of the beltway with nobody in front for about a mile or so. Barring something like that, or a police officer specifically directing me to do so, I can't imagine any circumstance where I'd think it was acceptable to pass on the shoulder.
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Jan 2007 16:34 GMT Someone wrote:
>I can honestly say that I think I've only passed another driver on the >shoulder once, and that was because the other driver was doing about 45 >in the left lane of the beltway with nobody in front for about a mile or >so. Were you in South Carolina at the time? Seems to be modus operandi for morons around here. Fortunately, according to a recently published article by our local rag, it appears Darwin is working overtime in our state correcting these driver education flaws. =))
 Signature gpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident?
"Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie.
: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash.
: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>
Scott en Aztlán - 07 Jan 2007 16:51 GMT Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>I can honestly say that I think I've only passed another driver on the >shoulder once, and that was because the other driver was doing about 45 >in the left lane of the beltway with nobody in front for about a mile or >so. Barring something like that, or a police officer specifically >directing me to do so, I can't imagine any circumstance where I'd think >it was acceptable to pass on the shoulder. I once used the acceleration lane at an on-ramp to pass one particularly horrendous rolling roadblock on I-57 some years ago. I also once used a left-turn-only lane to pass a Sloth Elder doing 15 MPH under the speed limit on a two-lane road striped for no passing. I can't recall even being tempted to pass a Sloth on a shoulder at normal road speeds - at the very least, there's going to be a bunch of debris sitting out there that, with my luck, will get kicked up and chip MY paint. :(
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Jan 2007 17:14 GMT Someone wrote:
>I >can't recall even being tempted to pass a Sloth on a shoulder at >normal road speeds - at the very least, there's going to be a bunch of >debris sitting out there that, with my luck, will get kicked up and >chip MY paint. :( I regret I'm not driving my old mustang. I bought is used from a friend of mine, who had also bought it used. The hood had some fairly serious rust spots on it.
To a degree, I miss driving that vehicle. When LLBers noticed that hood missing paint in their rear views, they moved out of the way faster than the red sea parted for Moses. It was like I had my own dedicated lane on the surface streets and interstates. =))
 Signature gpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident?
"Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie.
: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash.
: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>
gpsman - 07 Jan 2007 17:00 GMT Nate Nagel wrote: <brevity snip>
> I can honestly say that I think I've only passed another driver on the > shoulder once, and that was because the other driver was doing about 45 > in the left lane of the beltway with nobody in front for about a mile or > so. Only once! You -think-?!
> Barring something like that, or a police officer specifically > directing me to do so, I can't imagine any circumstance where I'd think > it was acceptable to pass on the shoulder. AFAICT, your accepted use of the shoulder is different than the driver's in question only by your velocity, which was many times hers. Oh, I guess she also wasn't you.
One should probably examine their acceptable level of hypocrisy when they find the behavior of another driver unacceptable, except when executed by themselves.
Spell it with me, won't you? R A T I O N A L I Z A T I O N. -----
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Jan 2007 17:15 GMT Someone wrote:
>One should probably examine their acceptable level of hypocrisy when >they find the behavior of another driver unacceptable, except when >executed by themselves. You should look that up.
>Spell it with me, won't you? R A T I O N A L I Z A T I O N. Let's try these:
C H A N C E
T I M E
I hope this helps to clarify the situation, moron.
 Signature gpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident?
"Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie.
: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash.
: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 19:19 GMT > Nate Nagel wrote: <brevity snip> > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - gpsman Totally different. In my instance the driver in front was impeding the normal flow of traffic. (at least two other drivers passed him on the shoulder as well.) In the case described in the news article everything apparently happened in stop and go traffic, which certainly makes it sound like the woman was just a MFFY bitch who couldn't be bothered to wait for traffic to sort itself out.
Oh, and to you, spell this: B L O W M E Y O U M O R O N.
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gpsman - 07 Jan 2007 19:47 GMT Nate Nagel wrote: <brevity snip>
> > One should probably examine their acceptable level of hypocrisy when > > they find the behavior of another driver unacceptable, except when > > executed by themselves.
> Totally different. In my instance the driver in front was impeding the > normal flow of traffic. That hardly seems a difference of totality.
> (at least two other drivers passed him on the > shoulder as well.) Ah. The ol' "He did it too!" excuse. Two -other- drivers acted, if not stupidly and unsafely, in violation of the law, which mitigates -my- violation. That won't fly in kindergarten... but few attending kindergarten would fail to omit the word "first".
> the woman was just a MFFY bitch who couldn't be bothered to > wait for traffic to sort itself out. So... she's "just a MFFY bitch who couldn't be bothered to wait for traffic to sort itself out"... and your action perfectly justified by the space before the vehicle to your front, and your much higher velocity totally inconsequential to the equation. I think I've got it now.
> Oh, and to you, spell this: B L O W M E Y O U M O R O N. But of course, I'm the moron. Probably should have occurred to me. -----
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Jan 2007 20:33 GMT Someone wrote:
>> Oh, and to you, spell this: B L O W M E Y O U M O R O N. > >But of course, I'm the moron. Probably should have occurred to me. Your inability to grasp even the most trivial of concepts precludes you from such a venture. Perhaps you should focus your efforts on something less taxing, say, like sorting out the difference between the definitions of "time" and "chance", or perhaps "safe" and "legal?" That is, if you're not too busy gleeing over your ability to write "spurious conclusion."
 Signature gpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident?
"Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie.
: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash.
: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6>
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 21:14 GMT > Nate Nagel wrote: <brevity snip>
>>Oh, and to you, spell this: B L O W M E Y O U M O R O N. > > But of course, I'm the moron. Probably should have occurred to me. I don't see why it hasn't; it's been pointed out to you many times by many people.
nate
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Brent P - 07 Jan 2007 22:31 GMT > Exactly. Oh noes, big meanie driver had the temerity to make a "gesture > of exasperation" after being passed on the shoulder and cut off by this > c.nt twice, so she throws her trash into his car? And then tries to > confront him? I bet she's lots of fun at parties. Wonder what she would have done to someone who put two wheels on the shoulder to block her.
> I can honestly say that I think I've only passed another driver on the > shoulder once, and that was because the other driver was doing about 45 > in the left lane of the beltway with nobody in front for about a mile or > so. Barring something like that, or a police officer specifically > directing me to do so, I can't imagine any circumstance where I'd think > it was acceptable to pass on the shoulder. There was one particular a.shole who forced me on to the shoulder.... I then passed him before getting back on the road. One of these control freak LLBs. I passed him on the right and then he felt the need to kick it up to 90+ mph (too much traffic for me to go faster than he was) to pass me (and cut me with very little space btw) and then nail the brakes to go slow again. I avoided a collision by going on the shoulder rather than nailing the brakes and being rear ended by the guy behind me and then punched it and got away from him. In hindsight I should have stayed behind him and waited until I could get all the way to the right. But I did what it took to keep the tin straight.
Dave Head - 07 Jan 2007 16:54 GMT >> Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >> did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her >> actions to "giving someone the finger." > >Mutal my a.s. Shoulder passing bitch is 110% at fault. Did you miss:
"Pete Ballin, a Washington man who was also heading north from North Carolina, testified that he was in the left lane going only a few miles per hour when Hall passed him on the shoulder of the highway, then cut in front of him, forcing Ballin to hit his brakes to avoid a collision."
The thing was, the guy was traveling at "a few mph". I imagine that hitting the brakes from a few mph was not a huge trauma-inducing maneuver.
For my part, there's just no way in hell that I believe that this guy Ballin had no part in this. I'd bet a lot of money that he was just as involved somehow, either gestures, eye contact, moving to block, accelerating or decelerating with an intent to cause frustration to the woman... something.
I'm sure there was some kind of dumb manuever by one or the other, and then a bunch of retaliations back and forth. I don't necessarily think that the passing on the shoulder was the 1st dumb maneuver, either.
Before I moved here, I thought I'd spend a lot of time in DC, enjoying the city. But after getting here, and experiencing I-95 a few times, I concluded it just isn't worth it to drive that road - there's always a bunch of idiot things going on, this being one, and a long life is not coincident to driving such a road continuously without a lot of luck. I hate to rely on luck.
Dave Head
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 19:18 GMT >>>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > somehow, either gestures, eye contact, moving to block, accelerating or > decelerating with an intent to cause frustration to the woman... something. SHE WAS PASSING ON THE SHOULDER. She DESERVES to be cut off, blocked, and run off a cliff.
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Dave Head - 07 Jan 2007 19:22 GMT >>>>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>>>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >nate Whatever happened to, "Live and let live". Lost in the good old days, I think.
DPH
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 19:26 GMT >>>>>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>>>>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > DPH I have no trouble whatsoever believeing that the c.nt was 100% at fault, as I have had people pull this maneuver on me many times. Sometimes people just deliberately act like a.sholes because they don't care. The fact that enough people "JLEDI" is responsible for more people acting like a.sholes. Finally some guy makes a rude gesture at her, which I imagine she richly deserved and then some, and she snaps and throws trash at him? Unbelievable. She must think the f.cking world revolves around her. Have fun in jail, princess.
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Dave Head - 07 Jan 2007 19:55 GMT >>>>>>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>>>>>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >nate Well, maybe she was wrong, and maybe she was the only one responsible, but... for 2 years in jail, I'd like to either see some blood flowing or some sort of property damage or a credible health threat or... something besides just being a prick.
I guess I'm sensitive to these things because it seems to me that people that are just having a bad day, and don't really hurt anyone, are getting treated worse than people that come and steal the radio out of your car.
Dave Head
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 20:49 GMT >>>>>>>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>>>>>>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Dave Head If that's your idea of "having a bad day" then I'd hate to see what you think a real problem is! And yes, I agree that people who steal should be dealt with just as harshly, but these idiots who can't be bothered to drive correctly and courteously are costing me valuable time every day, as well as millions of other commuters. And let's not forget that she did throw her trash through the open window of another car; I think that's a little above and beyond the norm and it's certainly reasonable to think that a) that would be unexpected by the recipient and b) could easily be mistaken for something far more dangerous, like a hand grenade, thus escalating the situation.
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Dave Head - 07 Jan 2007 21:01 GMT >>>>>>>>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>>>>>>>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >If that's your idea of "having a bad day" then I'd hate to see what you >think a real problem is! Like I said, bleeding, real property damage, and/or a real threat to health would be "problems".
>And yes, I agree that people who steal should >be dealt with just as harshly, Far worse, I think.
>but these idiots who can't be bothered to >drive correctly and courteously are costing me valuable time every day, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >easily be mistaken for something far more dangerous, like a hand >grenade, Only if you're suffering from PTSD.
DPH
>thus escalating the situation. > >nate Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 21:11 GMT >>>>>>>>>Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>>>>>>>>did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Like I said, bleeding, real property damage, and/or a real threat to health > would be "problems". It is only through luck that there wasn't "real property damage."
>>And yes, I agree that people who steal should >>be dealt with just as harshly, > > Far worse, I think. It's exactly the same thing. These people are stealing my time and the time of those around me. My time is actually more important to me than my car stereo.
>>but these idiots who can't be bothered to >>drive correctly and courteously are costing me valuable time every day, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > DPH Even a brick could cause serious injury or death, and it's not unheard of for people to throw bricks at traffic (although that seems to be more traditionally done from overpasses, not from other vehicles.) What would have happened if the guy had swerved to avoid the bag of trash and ended up hitting someone else?
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 08 Jan 2007 01:58 GMT Someone wrote:
>>but these idiots who can't be bothered to >>drive correctly and courteously are costing me valuable time every day, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Only if you're suffering from PTSD. LMAO. So what do you do, ask the "recipient" of such projectiles if they're suffering from PTSD? That's too freakin' stupid, er, funny.
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Scott en Aztlán - 07 Jan 2007 21:14 GMT Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>Well, maybe she was wrong, and maybe she was the only one responsible, but... >for 2 years in jail, I'd like to either see some blood flowing or some sort of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >are just having a bad day, and don't really hurt anyone, are getting treated >worse than people that come and steal the radio out of your car. Let's see: this bitch threw a McDonald's soft drink all over the interior of the victim's car. Have you ever had someone spill a cup of soda in your car? That sh.t NEVER comes out, especially from the deeper recesses of the foam cushions. That's "some sort of property damage."
Then there's the fear factor of not knowing just exactly what this mysterious liquid was that was throwin into the car. For all the victims knew, it couls have been gasoline, or anthrax in a liquid solution, or piss from a Trucker Bomb, or bodily fluids from an HIV-infected person, or any of a thousand other noxious substances. There's your credible health threat.
This bitch deserves those two years in prison and more.
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Dave Head - 07 Jan 2007 21:56 GMT >Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >deeper recesses of the foam cushions. That's "some sort of property >damage." Well, that is a good point.
The perp should be made to pay for that, for sure.
>Then there's the fear factor of not knowing just exactly what this >mysterious liquid was that was throwin into the car. For all the >victims knew, it couls have been gasoline, or anthrax in a liquid >solution, or piss from a Trucker Bomb, or bodily fluids from an >HIV-infected person, or any of a thousand other noxious substances. >There's your credible health threat. Well, no, 'cuz it was not of those things. It was a "fear of" credible threat... etc.
It was a Coke!
>This bitch deserves those two years in prison and more. Harsh, man. Her husband's in the service - in Iraq - does she have any kids to take care of?
Lessee, she'll never be able to vote again, own guns, maybe have trouble getting a good job, be suspect for some kinda not so good jobs like school bus driving, etc. over throwing a Coke. She will probably have trouble traveling internationally, and who knows what else for this "felony" of throwing a Coke.
I still think it's pretty 'round the bend.
Dave Head
Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 22:08 GMT >>Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Dave Head GOOD! She's obviously not in control of her emotions enough to be allowed out into polite society.
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Brent P - 07 Jan 2007 22:47 GMT >> Lessee, she'll never be able to vote again, own guns, maybe have trouble >> getting a good job, be suspect for some kinda not so good jobs like school bus >> driving, etc. over throwing a Coke. She will probably have trouble traveling >> internationally, and who knows what else for this "felony" of throwing a Coke. >> I still think it's pretty 'round the bend.
> GOOD! She's obviously not in control of her emotions enough to be > allowed out into polite society. I doubt she'll get the two years, but just the few days works for me and I don't feel sorry for her getting the two years. I am sick and tired of driving along minding my own buisness when some MFFY driver decides that I'm going to be push over and just be pushed out their way, run off the road, or worse.
Given that much of this I experience on a bicycle probably has made me more sensitive to it than most. After all, on a bicycle it's not sheet metal that gets hit first, but my left leg.
Dave Head - 07 Jan 2007 23:01 GMT >>> Lessee, she'll never be able to vote again, own guns, maybe have trouble >>> getting a good job, be suspect for some kinda not so good jobs like school bus [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >more sensitive to it than most. After all, on a bicycle it's not sheet >metal that gets hit first, but my left leg. I'd just kinda like to reserve the 'felony' thing for stuff like armed robbery, murder, rape, even embezzlement - stuff where people actually get hurt, or suffer a great risk of getting hurt. Pretty soon, a simple 'f.ck you' will be worth a year in jail if somebody actually complains about it.
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Nate Nagel - 07 Jan 2007 23:21 GMT >>>>Lessee, she'll never be able to vote again, own guns, maybe have trouble >>>>getting a good job, be suspect for some kinda not so good jobs like school bus [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Dave Head There's a big difference between honking at someone and/or making a rude gesture when they do something stupid and actual assault. What the woman in the article did was clearly assault. In fact, I would say that forcing your way into a line of traffic when there's no space for you is a form of assault, although it's never punished.
I am also not surprised that this model citizen is apparently relatively local. There's enough just like her on the roads that I am losing all tolerance and forgiveness for my fellow man, which is being replaced by contempt and indifference. If she doesn't like prison, perhaps she shouldn't have a) been driving like a MFFY c.nt and b) assaulted another driver for (rightly) pointing out her MFFY cuntiness.
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Fred G. Mackey - 07 Jan 2007 23:41 GMT > There's a big difference between honking at someone and/or making a rude > gesture when they do something stupid and actual assault. Certainly, but I would question the fairness of filing felony charges.
Anyone remember the baseball player who threw a chair into the stands breaking a woman's nose?
In the words of the DA: "He has no record. He threw a plastic chair. It's not a gun. It's not a knife,"
He was charged with misdemeanor assault, not felony assault.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/rangers/2004-10-28-francisco_x.htm
> What the > woman in the article did was clearly assault. In fact, I would say that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > nate Scott en Aztlán - 08 Jan 2007 00:43 GMT "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> said in rec.autos.driving:
>> There's a big difference between honking at someone and/or making a rude >> gesture when they do something stupid and actual assault. > >Certainly, but I would question the fairness of filing felony charges. Which is more dangerous: throwing a Coke at the driver of a moving vehcile, or growing a pot plant?
In CA, growing even one pot plant is a felony.
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Fred G. Mackey - 08 Jan 2007 01:22 GMT > "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > In CA, growing even one pot plant is a felony. While I'm only questioning the fairness of filing felony charges in this case as opposed to misdemeanor charges I am unequivocally against filing ANY charges for anyone for possession, cutlivation or use of marijuana.
Brent P - 07 Jan 2007 23:55 GMT > I'd just kinda like to reserve the 'felony' thing for stuff like armed robbery, > murder, rape, even embezzlement - stuff where people actually get hurt, or > suffer a great risk of getting hurt. I don't think it needs to be a felony, but even a paperwork violation with a firearm can be too. There is a certain degree of turning everyone into a felon or at least a violator of the law.
> Pretty soon, a simple 'f.ck you' will be > worth a year in jail if somebody actually complains about it. Google up the ADL hate crime bill that will probably pass with the new congress. Well on our way.
Dave Head - 08 Jan 2007 01:41 GMT >> I'd just kinda like to reserve the 'felony' thing for stuff like armed robbery, >> murder, rape, even embezzlement - stuff where people actually get hurt, or >> suffer a great risk of getting hurt. > >I don't think it needs to be a felony, but even a paperwork violation >with a firearm can be too. That ain't right, either...
>There is a certain degree of turning >everyone into a felon or at least a violator of the law. Yeah, that's the way I feel - it seems there's an effort to get absolutely everbody into jail for something.
>> Pretty soon, a simple 'f.ck you' will be >> worth a year in jail if somebody actually complains about it. > >Google up the ADL hate crime bill that will probably pass with the new >congress. Well on our way. I'm scared to even think about it. <G>
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Scott en Aztlán - 08 Jan 2007 00:35 GMT Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>I'd just kinda like to reserve the 'felony' thing for stuff like armed robbery, >murder, rape, even embezzlement - stuff where people actually get hurt, or >suffer a great risk of getting hurt. Let's see how safely YOU handle your car when someone throws a Coke across your nose. If you don't crash into another car or a concrete abutment, you'll probably end up upside-down in the ditch.
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Dave Head - 08 Jan 2007 01:04 GMT >Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >across your nose. If you don't crash into another car or a concrete >abutment, you'll probably end up upside-down in the ditch. They were going "a few mph" - it was a big back-up.
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Fred G. Mackey - 08 Jan 2007 01:42 GMT >>Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > They were going "a few mph" - it was a big back-up. Of course had the traffic not been stop-and-go chances are she wouldn't even have hit the car and she would just be another litterer.
> DPH Scott en Aztlán - 08 Jan 2007 03:29 GMT Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >They were going "a few mph" - it was a big back-up. So you agree with Aunt Judy that driving slowly makes your car crash-proof?
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Brent P - 08 Jan 2007 01:34 GMT > Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > >>I'd just kinda like to reserve the 'felony' thing for stuff like armed robbery, >>murder, rape, even embezzlement - stuff where people actually get hurt, or >>suffer a great risk of getting hurt.
> Let's see how safely YOU handle your car when someone throws a Coke > across your nose. If you don't crash into another car or a concrete > abutment, you'll probably end up upside-down in the ditch. I dunno about loss of control.
I've been hit by a bottled 'coke' (cap on) while biking. I maintained control.
That was the taurus passenger that found me too slow even though I out accelerated the neon in the next lane which is what allowed him to come along side me and pass.
Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 08 Jan 2007 02:38 GMT Someone wrote:
>I've been hit by a bottled 'coke' (cap on) while biking. I maintained >control. I've taken out pedestrians with bottled sodas before. As a teen, I was riding down the street one night when I passed three youths walking down the street. One of them through his cup into the street, without looking, and as a coincidence I ended up with soda and crushed ice all over the inside of my vehicle. I stopped at the nearest convenient store, bought a over-sized bottle of soda (fortunately they were still glass in those days) and went back around the block. Identified the three morons by their clothes, did a u-turn, went back passed them for a block or two, u-turned again, and came back by them at a good clip. Out the window the full glass bottle of soda went, and I managed to catch one in the small of the back. As I sped away from the pedestrians, all I saw were two guys standing over the one piled up on the sidewalk.
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Scott en Aztlán - 08 Jan 2007 03:32 GMT "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>I've taken out pedestrians with bottled sodas before. As a teen, I was >riding down the street one night when I passed three youths walking [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >pedestrians, all I saw were two guys standing over the one piled up on >the sidewalk. Pity you couldn't buy a paintball gun.
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 08 Jan 2007 12:46 GMT Someone wrote:
>"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Pity you couldn't buy a paintball gun. Paintball was probably not even conceived in those days; it would have been the early 80's. Even if it weren't, with my luck I'd end up blinding someone with it. I'd rather they have a lifetime of back problems than to be blinded.
Pity I didn't have the soda on me when I went by the group the first time. It's more effective when you're training dogs if the negative behavior/punishment events are a little closer together.
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Scott en Aztlán - 08 Jan 2007 00:31 GMT Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>Then there's the fear factor of not knowing just exactly what this >>mysterious liquid was that was throwin into the car. For all the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Well, no, 'cuz it was not of those things. It was a "fear of" credible >threat... etc. It's still traumatic to the victims.
>>This bitch deserves those two years in prison and more. > >Harsh, man. Her husband's in the service - in Iraq - does she have any kids to >take care of? She should have thought of that before going apeshit on public roads.
BTW, if she's this out of control in public, what do you suppose happens in the privacy of her home? Maybe taking her away from those kids would be doing them a big favor.
>Lessee, she'll never be able to vote again, own guns, maybe have trouble >getting a good job, be suspect for some kinda not so good jobs like school bus >driving, etc. over throwing a Coke. She will probably have trouble traveling >internationally, and who knows what else for this "felony" of throwing a Coke. Throwing the Coke wasn't the half of it. She has serious anger management issues and is totally irresponsible. She needs more than just a slap on the wrist.
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Dave Head - 08 Jan 2007 01:43 GMT >Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >It's still traumatic to the victims. Not something you'd go to a trauma center for.
>>>This bitch deserves those two years in prison and more. >> >>Harsh, man. Her husband's in the service - in Iraq - does she have any kids to >>take care of? > >She should have thought of that before going apeshit on public roads. How about a $5K fine and 200 hrs community service?
>BTW, if she's this out of control in public, what do you suppose >happens in the privacy of her home? Maybe taking her away from those >kids would be doing them a big favor. I could maybe see it if she had thrown something sharp or something heavy.
>>Lessee, she'll never be able to vote again, own guns, maybe have trouble >>getting a good job, be suspect for some kinda not so good jobs like school bus [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >management issues and is totally irresponsible. She needs more than >just a slap on the wrist. Maybe some anger management classes too...
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Fred G. Mackey - 08 Jan 2007 01:53 GMT >>>Harsh, man. Her husband's in the service - in Iraq - does she have any kids to >>>take care of? >> >>She should have thought of that before going apeshit on public roads. > > How about a $5K fine and 200 hrs community service? Throw in 1-year suspension of driving privileges.
> Maybe some anger management classes too... > > Dave Head Dave Head - 08 Jan 2007 02:01 GMT >>>>Harsh, man. Her husband's in the service - in Iraq - does she have any kids to >>>>take care of? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Throw in 1-year suspension of driving privileges. Yeah, maybe, if she could still drive to work. Don't want to end up payin' welfare for her.
>> Maybe some anger management classes too... >> >> Dave Head Scott en Aztlán - 08 Jan 2007 03:35 GMT Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>>>>Harsh, man. Her husband's in the service - in Iraq - does she have any kids to >>>>>take care of? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Yeah, maybe, if she could still drive to work. Don't want to end up payin' >welfare for her. You are already paying a subsidy for public transit - seems only appropriate she make use of it.
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Scott en Aztlán - 08 Jan 2007 03:34 GMT Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Not something you'd go to a trauma center for. So that makes it OK?
>>>>This bitch deserves those two years in prison and more. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >How about a $5K fine and 200 hrs community service? Throw in a suspended license and you've got yourself a plea bargain.
:)
>>BTW, if she's this out of control in public, what do you suppose >>happens in the privacy of her home? Maybe taking her away from those >>kids would be doing them a big favor. > >I could maybe see it if she had thrown something sharp or something heavy. How do you know she wouldn't have if they had been available?
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 08 Jan 2007 02:00 GMT Someone wrote:
>>Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Harsh, man. Her husband's in the service - in Iraq - does she have any kids to >take care of? Sounds like the kind of person who shouldn't be breeding, much less raising children.
>Lessee, she'll never be able to vote again, own guns, maybe have trouble >getting a good job, be suspect for some kinda not so good jobs like school bus >driving, etc. over throwing a Coke. She will probably have trouble traveling >internationally, and who knows what else for this "felony" of throwing a Coke. > >I still think it's pretty 'round the bend. She was pretty 'round the bend. She should expect no less in return.
She could have easily avoided the situation. She decided not to do so.
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Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 07 Jan 2007 20:43 GMT Someone wrote:
>Whatever happened to, "Live and let live". Lost in the good old days, I think. > >DPH Perhaps it went out the window.
You know, like what she threw?
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Brent P - 07 Jan 2007 22:40 GMT > Whatever happened to, "Live and let live". Lost in the good old days, I think. When the shoulder passers do that, I'll return it. Otherwise they are going to shove their way in directly in front of me or somewhere up ahead and make the traffic jam worse for everyone behind that point. Live and let live is if they were in a legal travel lane and were just passing by.
Dave - 07 Jan 2007 19:23 GMT > SHE WAS PASSING ON THE SHOULDER. She DESERVES to be cut off, blocked, and > run off a cliff. > > nate ...in a car filled with a couple tons of nitroglycerine, I might add
Brent P - 07 Jan 2007 22:39 GMT >>> Hall testified at her sentencing hearing that she regretted what she >>> did, but said it was a mutual road-rage incident. She compared her [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The thing was, the guy was traveling at "a few mph". I imagine that hitting > the brakes from a few mph was not a huge trauma-inducing maneuver. How does low speed make shoulder passing and cutting off less wrong?
> For my part, there's just no way in hell that I believe that this guy Ballin > had no part in this. I'd bet a lot of money that he was just as involved > somehow, either gestures, eye contact, moving to block, accelerating or > decelerating with an intent to cause frustration to the woman... something. Let's say he was outright trying to block the shoulder passing bitch from getting back into the lane. She's still 110% at fault. Personally I am sick and tired of shoulder passers in congested traffic. They think that they are special, priviledged people who should get to go first. They make the congestion worse when they get to a point where they are forced to merge back in. I never let a shoulder passer in if I can help it.
> I'm sure there was some kind of dumb manuever by one or the other, and then a > bunch of retaliations back and forth. I don't necessarily think that the > passing on the shoulder was the 1st dumb maneuver, either. Having personally had a shoulder passing bitch throw a pen at my car, I can tell you for a fact that the shoulder passing was probably the first thing. Remember, these are people who have grown a sense of entitlement to their MFFY driving as enablers back down to them continously. All it takes to send them into a rage is not to back down them.
Scott en Aztlán - 16 Mar 2007 15:21 GMT Scott en Aztlán <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>Those handfuls of marbles you like to toss could land you in the >pokey! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >prison for throwing a McDonald's bag containing an ice cold drink at >another motorist on Interstate 95 last year. A possible loophole:
If the other driver calls you a nigger, it may be OK to throw hot coffee into their car. Note how the woman above was charged with a FELONY for throwing an ice-cold drink, but Kendra Davis (below) was only charged with MISDEMEANOR battery for throwing a cup of hot coffee.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/298291,CST-NWS-davis15.article
Ex-Bull's wife allegedly threw coffee at driver But she says other woman used racial slur
March 15, 2007 BY DAN ROZEK Staff Reporter A minor traffic dispute prompted the wife of former NBA player Antonio Davis to toss a cup of hot coffee at another motorist, DuPage County prosecutors said Wednesday.
But Kendra Davis' attorney argued it was a racial slur -- not the traffic altercation -- that caused the Naperville woman to throw her coffee on the ground near Kathleen Bessner, the other driver.
Davis, 32, faces a misdemeanor charge of battery for allegedly dousing the Minooka woman with coffee during a dispute in a Naperville shopping center parking lot on Oct. 27, 2005.
Vehicles nearly collided Bessner testified that she never spoke to Davis after the two women nearly collided in the parking lot, although she said both rolled down their windows as their vehicles stopped near each other.
"I saw a cup of coffee in her hand, and I saw her throw it," Bessner, 41, told jurors Wednesday as Davis' trial opened in Wheaton. "The coffee hit me -- it was hot."
'I never said a word to her' Defense attorney Kathleen Colton said Davis threw the "lukewarm" coffee on the ground in anger and disgust after Bessner yelled a racial slur at her. Colton clashed repeatedly with a sometimes tearful Bessner, who insisted she never insulted Davis. "You screamed out she was a nigger, didn't you?" Colton asked.
"No, I did not," Bessner replied. "I never said a word to her."
Davis and her 12-year-old son, who was in the car, are expected to testify today.
Colton highlighted the three-month time lag between the dispute and when Davis was charged with the misdemeanor offense, which carries a maximum one-year jail sentence and a $2,500 fine.
Kendra Davis wasn't charged until after her husband, a former Chicago Bull then playing for the New York Knicks, rushed into the United Center stands during a game against the Bulls on Jan. 18, 2006. Antonio Davis, who received a five-game suspension, said he went to the aid of his wife after she argued with fans sitting near her.
Kendra Davis, an Aurora native who was living in Naperville at the time of the parking lot dispute, was charged with misdemeanor battery on Feb. 2, 2006, after Bessner signed a formal complaint against her.
Bessner denied waiting to file charges in hopes of receiving a cash settlement from Davis.
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