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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / January 2007Are you a flasher?
Scenario: You are in the right lane. A car comes from a side street, or the exit from a parking lot. The car is going fast enough to make you wonder if the car is going to stop or run out far enough to pull in front of you. I flash my high beams that are on the turn signal. My wife has chided me several times telling me that (here in Las Vegas) some people may take offense at that, and come after me. I tell her that I'm just driving ahead and trying to get their attention. I'm really not worried because I am always carrying a 9mm. with a 17 shot clip, or my favorite S&W .357. So far, so good. But I can say that I have had a lot of people slam on their brakes and not come as far out as I think they might have had I not "flashed" them. How about you? Steve > Scenario: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > How about you? I don't rely on them seeing my signal and interpreting it, then taking the appropriate action. I take defensive action immediately, and act as though they are going to cross my path. If they don't, fine. If they do, I'm covered. E.P. > Scenario: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Steve I would never do it because I would expect some people to interpret that as a "go ahead" signal. nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > I would never do it because I would expect some people to interpret that > as a "go ahead" signal. > > nate So, what happens? You proceed and they keep coming out. You're doing the speed limit, about 30. Steve >>I would never do it because I would expect some people to interpret that >>as a "go ahead" signal. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Steve Then they get pissed off because I don't slow down because they thought that I was essentially waving them on (since in a highway context, that's what flashing lights means, unless it's used as a "please yield the passing lane" signal.) Instead of flashing my lights, I just do nothing, hold my line and speed, and assume that they see me. If they insist on coming out, I'm prepared to brake, but will not do so unless they actually pull out. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Nate Nagel <njnagel@flycast.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >Instead of flashing my lights, I just do nothing, hold my line and >speed, and assume that they see me. If they insist on coming out, I'm >prepared to brake, but will not do so unless they actually pull out. And THEN I flash them. When someone pulls out in front of me and forces me to take evasive action, they need to know what a hazardous situation they have created. At night, flashing the brights is much more effective at communicating their error than the horn is. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > >>I would never do it because I would expect some people to interpret that > >>as a "go ahead" signal. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > nate Right you are, Nate. Here's a ('drive on the right" nation) question. You're driving along, approaching a road coming from the right, with a car waiting at the stop sign on that road. Just beyond that road is an entrance to a shop where you want to get something. (Optional confusion factor: There's a cop car parked in front of the shop.) Cars are following you a long distance back. You're slowing for the shop. Would you put your RH turn signal on? >> >>I would never do it because I would expect some people to interpret >> >>that [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > You're slowing for the shop. > Would you put your RH turn signal on? Not until I'm even with or just past the road........... Vee-One "Studemania" <midlant@earthlink.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >Here's a ('drive on the right" nation) question. >You're driving along, approaching a road coming from the right, with a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >You're slowing for the shop. >Would you put your RH turn signal on? Yes, but AFTER I pass the waiting car. If I put it on before, I run the risk of the driver waiting at the stop sign pulling out in front of me because he thinks I want to turn right on the street he is on, rather than the driveway just beyond. Similarly, if I were the one waiting at the stop sign, and a car approaching from the left had its right turn signal on, I would wait until it either made its turn or passed by completely. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > Scenario: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > How about you? America's a funny place. Over here if you flashed somone it would normally be taken to mean you were going to let them out in front of you ! Graham >>Scenario: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Graham It is in America, too, which was the point of my post. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Scenario: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I flash my high beams that are on the turn signal. In my area, flashing your high beams at traffic waiting to cross your path, indicates that you are yielding right of way to them. If you did that here, then people would take it as a sign that you are going to stop, so they would pull out in front of you. >> Scenario: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If you did that here, then people would take it as a sign that you > are going to stop, so they would pull out in front of you. I did not realize that international rules of the road were different. I live in the US, and here, it means for the other driver to dim their lights, or take notice that I am here. In no way, in my country, does it mean for the idiot who can't even stop before entering a traffic lane, to go on ahead and pull out. If they would look, they would see that a 7500# truck was coming directly at their driver's door. Steve >>>Scenario: >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > In no way, in my country, does it mean for the idiot who can't even stop > before entering a traffic lane, to go on ahead and pull out. generally, it does! > If they would look, they would see that a 7500# truck was coming directly at > their driver's door. > > Steve And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>>Scenario: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > nate You are either on drugs or an idiot. I'm bearing down at 30 mph, flash my lights, and it means for them to pull out. You are a moron. Steve >>>>>Scenario: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > You are either on drugs or an idiot. I'm bearing down at 30 mph, flash my > lights, and it means for them to pull out. That's what it always has meant. > You are a moron. > > Steve It's not *I* that doesn't know how to drive. I see the week in the killfile hasn't done you any good so back in with you. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>>>>Scenario: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > nate I apologize. I only wrote about how things are in the USA. From which country or planet are you posting? I have been driving for 42 years now. Yours is the first time I have heard that the blinking of headlights means a "go ahead". In the USA, that is. However, I could be mistaken about your country or planet. So, a blinking of lights means that I relinquish all rights of way, rules of the road and common sense? Just want to understand this. Steve Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 09 Jan 2007 02:44 GMT Someone wrote: >>>>>>>Scenario: >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >Just want to understand this. Look it up in your state's driver's manual (that is, if you can read) and see what it says the meaning of flashing headlights are. After you locate said text, inform us what planet you're posting from, moron. Signaturehttp://www.last.fm/user/dwpj65 > >>>>>>Scenario: > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Steve Steve, when you pass a truck and want to get back into line in front of him, how does that other driver tell you it's OK to do so? "Studemania" <midlant@earthlink.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >Steve, when you pass a truck and want to get back into line in front of >him, how does that other driver tell you it's OK to do so? Good point. The meaning of flashing headlights clearly varies with the context. If you're in the left lane, and a car behind you flashes his lights, it means "get your Sloth a.s out of the passing lane." If you're passing a Trucker, and he flashes his lights, it means "the rear of your vehicle is clear; it's safe to return to the right lane." And, if you're off the road waiting to merge onto it, a flash from an oncoming car says "don't pull out in front of me, dumbass!" SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > "Studemania" <midlant@earthlink.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And, if you're off the road waiting to merge onto it, a flash from an > oncoming car says "don't pull out in front of me, dumbass!" Holy Minoli! A rational human being! Thanks, Scott. >> >>>>>>Scenario: >> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Steve, when you pass a truck and want to get back into line in front > of him, how does that other driver tell you it's OK to do so? *in that context* it means OK. In other contexts,flashing headlights may just be to get your attention. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net "Studemania" <midlant@earthlink.net> wrote in > Steve, when you pass a truck and want to get back into line in front of > him, how does that other driver tell you it's OK to do so? I'm sorry, but I am discussing the situation where I am trying to get the attention of someone who is pulling out from a side street or a driveway. In what way does that equate to a truck out on the highway? >> I have been driving for 42 years now. Yours is the first time I have >> heard that the blinking of headlights means a "go ahead". In the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Steve, when you pass a truck and want to get back into line in front > of him, how does that other driver tell you it's OK to do so? A real truck driver will turn their lights off and then on a couple of times real fast. After you move over, you respond with a thankyou by turning off & on your clearance [you know, the ones that tell how tall you are:^) ] lights. Doug >>> I have been driving for 42 years now. Yours is the first time I have >>> heard that the blinking of headlights means a "go ahead". In the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Doug Please focus. Please concentrate. The discussion is not about dipping lights on the open highways on truckers and telling them it is okay to change lanes. The original discussion was flashing lights to warn people who are coming into oncoming active traffic lanes from side streets and driveways. HTH, but I doubt it, as no one seems to be able to follow the conversation or comprehend the question. Steve > "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message > > > > And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! > > You are either on drugs or an idiot. I'm bearing down at 30 mph, flash my > lights, and it means for them to pull out. In this case your speed indicates the obvious. I'd leave the lights on for a few secs though rather than flash when it's meant as a warning. Or flash repeatedly. Graham > And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! > > nate Is there anyone else following this thread? I would appreciate your input in the case that I might be missing something here. A flash of headlights means for the person to go ahead and break the right of way rules and pull into oncoming traffic? Am I missing something here, or is Nate right? Steve Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 09 Jan 2007 02:45 GMT Someone wrote: >> And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Am I missing something here, or is Nate right? Look it up in your state's driver's manual. That is, if you can read. Signaturehttp://www.last.fm/user/dwpj65 >> And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Am I missing something here, or is Nate right? IME that depends on the length of the flash. Quick, like under .5 sec, means "go ahead" or "thank you", while longer is equivalent to honking. So assuming your flash is at least a few seconds you should be alright. > Steve Ulf Ulf <asdf@asdf.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >>> And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >IME that depends on the length of the flash. Quick, like under .5 sec, >means "go ahead" or "thank you" So if you are in the passing lane making a Sloth pass and I come up behind you and flash my lights, that means "go ahead" and continue your Sloth pass, or "thank you" for blocking the passing lane? SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. >>> And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Steve > Ulf Are we talking about the same thing? I am referring to a car that is entering the roadway from a side street or a driveway. All the rules of the road I learned were that they were supposed to stop, wait for all oncoming traffic to pass, then enter the roadway when it was clear and safe to do so. Under what circumstances would it be advisable for me to stop on a roadway, and allow a car to enter? The only situation I can perceive is an emergency vehicle with its emergency lights flashing. I guess I am really missing something here, because I don't believe I should yield to someone coming out of a driveway or side street. Steve > Under what circumstances would it be advisable for me to stop on a roadway, > and allow a car to enter? If you were a polite driver, you might want to let someone in who'd been waiting for ages because of congested traffic. > The only situation I can perceive is an emergency > vehicle with its emergency lights flashing. That too. > I guess I am really missing something here, because I don't believe I should > yield to someone coming out of a driveway or side street. It's done here in the UK ( subject to circumstances ). Graham Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> Under what circumstances would it be advisable for me to stop on a roadway, >> and allow a car to enter? > >If you were a polite driver, you might want to let someone in who'd been waiting >for ages because of congested traffic. So you think it's OK to inconvenience the dozens of drivers who are in the lane behind you for the convenience of ONE driver waiting to enter traffic? May you be stuck behind 1000 "courteous" drivers who unexpectedly stop dead in front of you to let someone merge onto the road in front of them. >> I guess I am really missing something here, because I don't believe I should >> yield to someone coming out of a driveway or side street. > >It's done here in the UK ( subject to circumstances ). Cite the law ehich requires it. SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. > Under what circumstances would it be advisable for me to stop on a > roadway, and allow a car to enter? The only situation I can perceive is > an emergency vehicle with its emergency lights flashing. > > I guess I am really missing something here, because I don't believe I > should yield to someone coming out of a driveway or side street. The point is that you may give the motorist the perception that you will yield by giving them a quick flash of your lights. I don't think anyone is saying that you should yield, or that it would be safe to slow down and yield. Given the situation that you described, most people would assess your speed and realize that you are not slowing down. But someone who is in a hurry might not take the time to assess the situation and proceed in front of you, thinking that the flash was the "go ahead" signal. If I was in this situation, I would do nothing except prepare myself to brake and use the horn if they pulled out. -=- Tom > The point is that you may give the motorist the perception that you will > yield by giving them a quick flash of your lights. I don't think anyone [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -=- Tom Let's reverse the situation, just for the sake of discussion. You are exiting a driveway. A car is in the right lane of the highway you are entering, and it is traveling 35 mph. He flashes his lights at you. Do you take that to mean, go ahead and pull out? I would not considering pulling out in front of a vehicle coming at me and not slowing down. If I wanted to go into the exit they were coming out of, I would stop, and wave them on. But usually in that circumstance, they are not content to just enter the roadway in the right lane, but must wait until it is clear to go over all of the lanes so they can make a left hand turn or a U turn. Steve > Let's reverse the situation, just for the sake of discussion. You are > exiting a driveway. A car is in the right lane of the highway you are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > enter the roadway in the right lane, but must wait until it is clear to go > over all of the lanes so they can make a left hand turn or a U turn. I guess it would depend on how far away the vehicle was, but in general, I would take the time to assess the speed of the vehicle before pulling out, and would not rely on the flash to mean "go ahead". I would not pull out unless I perceived the vehicle to be slowing down, or if I felt that there was sufficinet room for me to go without forcing the vehicle to alter its speed. All I'm saying that if I'm the one coming down the street, I would not want to send a signal that different drivers may interpret differently. I think as others have said, that a long flash of the lights would more likely be interpreted as the "don't even think of pulling out" signal. -=- Tom >> Let's reverse the situation, just for the sake of discussion. You are >> exiting a driveway. A car is in the right lane of the highway you are [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > -=- Tom A very high percentage of people I see pulling out of driveways or side streets neither look nor slow down. And when they do look, their front fender is almost in the travel lane. I have had a temptation to hit one or two of them, but figure that ust because they're driving a banged up piece of sh.t, I don't have to also. STeve >> Under what circumstances would it be advisable for me to stop on a >> roadway, and allow a car to enter? The only situation I can perceive [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -=- Tom just where is it written that flashing the headlights is always a "go ahead' signal? It's more of an attention-getting signal. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net Take it to mean, "I see you. Here I am." Let's hope that there is no one else who seen it that you haven't seen. <g> > >> Under what circumstances would it be advisable for me to stop on a > >> roadway, and allow a car to enter? The only situation I can perceive [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > It's more of an attention-getting signal. > just where is it written that flashing the headlights is always a "go > ahead' signal? Who said that they thought it was always a "go ahead" signal? I said that in the situation described, someone may interpret it as a go ahead signal. As others have said on this thread, a flash of the headlights can mean different things in different contexts. In a situation where a flash of the lights may be misinterpreted, I'll use my horn instead. :-) -=- Tom > As others have said on this thread, a flash of the headlights can mean > different things in different contexts. In a situation where a flash of > the lights may be misinterpreted, I'll use my horn instead. :-) > > -=- Tom Let me try it again. You are driving in the right hand lane or a five lane street. Two lanes one way, two lanes the other, and the other a center turn lane. Here comes a MFFY driver from a driveway or side street, looking like he is not going to slow down or yield to oncoming traffic. The car pulls past the sidewalk, and is now about to enter the YOUR travel lane. Do you 1. Flash your lights to alert the driver that they are about to be T boned. 2. Just proceed at speed and know if they pull out, they will be T boned. 3. Stop and let this MFFY person interrupt your right of way. 4. Flash your lights and indicate they can go ahead and say, I'm so sorry to have gotten in your way. 5. Turn into the parking lot, stop, abandon your vehicle, and turn in your keys and drivers license. Just wondering. For me, it's flash them, and then hit them. STeve > > As others have said on this thread, a flash of the headlights can mean > > different things in different contexts. In a situation where a flash of [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 5. Turn into the parking lot, stop, abandon your vehicle, and turn in your > keys and drivers license. None of the above, Moron. Read my original post in this thread. E.P. >> > As others have said on this thread, a flash of the headlights can mean >> > different things in different contexts. In a situation where a flash [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > E.P. I agree. Just pass them up, and go to the next exit. Unless, of course, they have pulled out too far. Steve >> As others have said on this thread, a flash of the headlights can >> mean different things in different contexts. In a situation where a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > STeve How come one of the options isn't leaning on the horn? Doug >>>As others have said on this thread, a flash of the headlights can >>>mean different things in different contexts. In a situation where a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Doug Because that would make sense. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > >> And they think you're waving them on. So stop flashing at them! > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > means "go ahead" or "thank you", while longer is equivalent to honking. > So assuming your flash is at least a few seconds you should be alright. That's not an official meaning of course. Graham > Am I missing something here, or is Nate right? Nate's right (as usual). Signature~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) > "Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> wrote in message > >> Scenario: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I did not realize that international rules of the road were different. There aren't any such rules. > I live in the US, and here, it means for the other driver to dim their lights, > > or take notice that I am here. In the UK it would just be the latter. There is no agreed signal for requesting dimmed lights but you might be tempted to draw their attention by flashing. > In no way, in my country, does it mean for the idiot who can't even stop > before entering a traffic lane, to go on ahead and pull out. Nor here but that method is still widely used informally. Not usually with fast moving traffic though. Graham > > Scenario: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you did that here, then people would take it as a sign that you > are going to stop, so they would pull out in front of you. And if he didn't maybe that why his passenger was concerned that he'd be tailed and likely shot at ? Graham |
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