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And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPPgVNxgDGU Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 17 Jan 2007 02:57 GMT >And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering >their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. OMH! I can't believe the one idiot who got out of his vehicle while it was still rolling towards the vehicle it would eventually hit. Even more stupidity was demonstrated by the retards who were walking between the wrecked vehicles while other vehicles were approaching the fray. If it wasn't for the thickness of the snow, I'd think those morons were SC drivers.  Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in rec.autos.driving: > OMH! I can't believe the one idiot who got out of his vehicle while it > was still rolling towards the vehicle it would eventually hit. "All hands ABANDON SHIP! Repeat: All hands ABANDO... <<BOOM!!!>>" > Even > more stupidity was demonstrated by the retards who were walking > between the wrecked vehicles while other vehicles were approaching the > fray. Looks like Mr. Darwin was thwarted again.... > If it wasn't for the thickness of the snow, I'd think those morons > were SC drivers. Indeed.... Signature-- "I'm all for making the SUV owners park in the rear of the lot. It should be handled like handicapped parking. A special sticker on the plate designating this vehicle as a highway tank that must be parked in the tank area." --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 10/23/05 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/dnox5 http://tinyurl.com/c92qg Message ID:1130115926.511881.4700@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com necromancer <55_sux@worldofnecromancer_nospam_noway.org> said in rec.autos.driving: >Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - >President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >"All hands ABANDON SHIP! Repeat: All hands ABANDO... <<BOOM!!!>>" http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68542.html SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 17 Jan 2007 02:59 GMT >And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering >their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPPgVNxgDGU And right below that is this one which I came across some time back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUSLCe3S58&NR Definite proof that inattentiveness, and not velocity, is the contributing factor in most crashes. Fortunately 3,000+ losers learn this lesson per month. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUSLCe3S58&NR > >Definite proof that inattentiveness, and not velocity, is the >contributing factor in most crashes. [Begin wild tangent] Holy sh.t! That news anchor is Cindy Klose!! She used to be an anchor in Champaign, IL, when I lived there (WCIA, IIRC). Then, in the late 80s, she was an anchor on CNN Headling News for a brief time, then disappeared. I always wondered what happened to her... Looks like she got stuck in Wichita, KS! :( [End wild tangent] SignatureI hate speediots - especially Carl Troller. Ted Kennedy wrote: <brevity snip> > >And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering > >their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Definite proof that inattentiveness, and not velocity, is the > contributing factor in most crashes. Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. ----- - gpsman > Ted Kennedy wrote: <brevity snip> > > >And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - gpsman Where did anyone draw that conclusion? Signature'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.' "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) > Ted Kennedy wrote: <brevity snip> > > >And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver > inattentiveness. OMFG, not only can you not properly interpret the written word, you are also a failure at general observation. Which vehicle had a velocity of zero, genius? God you are just too damned stupid to be useful. At least you're entertaining. TedKennedyMurderedHisPregnantMistress.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com said in rec.autos.driving: >[GPSTroll is] just too damned stupid to be useful. > >At least you're entertaining. Entertainment is useful, innit? :) SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > >And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering > >their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Definite proof that inattentiveness, and not velocity, is the > contributing factor in most crashes. A roundabout would fix the problem there. Graham Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUSLCe3S58&NR > >A roundabout would fix the problem there. How many roads with vastly different speed limits (e.g. 30 MPH and 55 MPH) intersect at a roundabout? What would the roundabout's speed limit be in that case? How many crashes would occur there because either a) 55 MPH traffic had to suddenly slow down to 30 MPH, or b) 30 MPH traffic failed to speed up to 55 MPH? SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > I'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! So a roundabout that slows 55 traffic to 30 is hazardous but a stop sign or light that brings 55 to 0 isn't? Harry K "Harry K" <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >So a roundabout that slows 55 traffic to 30 is hazardous but a stop >sign or light that brings 55 to 0 isn't? BOTH are hazardous when you have dumbass drivers behind you who aren't paying attention... SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > How many roads with vastly different speed limits (e.g. 30 MPH and 55 > MPH) intersect at a roundabout? What would the roundabout's speed > limit be in that case? How many crashes would occur there because > either a) 55 MPH traffic had to suddenly slow down to 30 MPH, or b) 30 > MPH traffic failed to speed up to 55 MPH? The largest roundabouts have a design speed of 30 mph. That would mean that traffic within the circle would be going around 30 to 40 mph. In any case, traffic outside is required to yield to traffic already in the roundabout. > > How many roads with vastly different speed limits (e.g. 30 MPH and 55 > > MPH) intersect at a roundabout? What would the roundabout's speed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The largest roundabouts have a design speed of 30 mph. LMFAO ! I've happily taken roundabouts here at 60+. Graham >> The largest roundabouts have a design speed of 30 mph. > I've happily taken roundabouts here at 60+. I guess they don't build large roundabouts here. The only roundabout I have experience with is signed at 15 mph (and I would be hard pressed to take it at more than 20 mph). In any case, my information comes from the roundabout design guide published by the FHWA. Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> said in rec.autos.driving: >> How many roads with vastly different speed limits (e.g. 30 MPH and 55 >> MPH) intersect at a roundabout? What would the roundabout's speed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >any case, traffic outside is required to yield to traffic already in the >roundabout. Which is why a roundabout won't do jack sh.t to solve the problem. Traffic at a stop sign is required to yield to traffic on the cross street, as well, but it didn't protect the driver of that pickup truck in the video. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> said in rec.autos.driving: >> The largest roundabouts have a design speed of 30 mph. That would mean >> that traffic within the circle would be going around 30 to 40 mph. In >> any case, traffic outside is required to yield to traffic already in the >> roundabout. > Which is why a roundabout won't do jack sh.t to solve the problem. Actually, it would in a way. Collisions in roundabouts are much less severe (i.e., property damage only) as compared to broadside collisions. Plus, they make it much easier for people to go straight or make a left since you only have to watch for traffic coming from the left. > > Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Actually, it would in a way. It would completely because of how they work. In the accident in that video for example the driver of the red car wouldn't have had her vision bloked by that white van. Also, *all* traffic has to proceed with caution round one. > Collisions in roundabouts are much less > severe (i.e., property damage only) as compared to broadside collisions. > Plus, they make it much easier for people to go straight or make a > left since you only have to watch for traffic coming from the left. Collisions on roundabouts are very rare IME. Graham Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 00:11 GMT >> > Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >example the driver of the red car wouldn't have had her vision bloked by that >white van. Hmm, I learned when I began to drive that you should never proceed across an intersection unless you're positive there is no oncoming traffic. Obviously the stupid bitch in the car didn't learn that lesson, or was more interested in something else than she was the road. She got what she asked for. >Also, *all* traffic has to proceed with caution round one. Yeah, that'll happen. >> Collisions in roundabouts are much less >> severe (i.e., property damage only) as compared to broadside collisions. >> Plus, they make it much easier for people to go straight or make a >> left since you only have to watch for traffic coming from the left. > >Collisions on roundabouts are very rare IME. They're very high in my area, which is one of the reasons they've been slowly replaced with standard intersections. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 00:08 GMT > Plus, they make it much easier for people to go straight or make a >left since you only have to watch for traffic coming from the left. Uh, I would *never* count on traffic *NOT* coming from the right in that type of setting. Impractical as it is, some idiot will be going the wrong way one day, and not paying attention to that little detail could get expen$ive. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> > Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> said in rec.autos.driving: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > street, as well, but it didn't protect the driver of that pickup truck > in the video. A roundabout would have though. Graham Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán said in rec.autos.driving: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > MPH) intersect at a roundabout? What would the roundabout's speed > limit be in that case? Knowing most localities, the 55MPH traffic would probablly be reduced to 30MPH for the roudabout and in the US become a constantly patrolled speed trap or in the UK would have Gatsoes spring up like mushrooms... > How many crashes would occur there because > either a) 55 MPH traffic had to suddenly slow down to 30 MPH, or b) 30 > MPH traffic failed to speed up to 55 MPH? IME, quite a few. Followed by more calls for lower speed limits. :/ SignatureLoco Laura Bush murdered her boyfrined finally admits to what we have known all along: ">You're an idiot. > >Graham Coming from you that's a compliment. " Ref: http://tinyurl.com/qa5wx Message ID: 0d3da2hgigdhgl9ck484tj0p8jtlhlsb20@4ax.com > Scott en Aztlán said > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 30MPH for the roudabout and in the US become a constantly patrolled > speed trap or in the UK would have Gatsoes spring up like mushrooms. Simply not so. Also I have *never* seen a Gatso on a roundabout. > > How many crashes would occur there because > > either a) 55 MPH traffic had to suddenly slow down to 30 MPH, or b) 30 > > MPH traffic failed to speed up to 55 MPH? > > IME, quite a few. Followed by more calls for lower speed limits. :/ You haven't a clue. On a decent dual carriageway here I might often be driving at 90. Coming up to a roundabout with its 300, 200 and 100 yard warning markers, I'd adjust my speed to be 80, 70, 60 mph and ~ 50 at the entrance to the roundabout. Given good visibilty from 100 yards, you can easily come to a complete halt if required from 60. If the roundabout's clear you can accelerate away. Graham Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in rec.autos.driving: > You haven't a clue. > > On a decent dual carriageway here I might often be driving at 90. Coming up to a > roundabout with its 300, 200 and 100 yard warning markers, I'd adjust my speed > to be 80, 70, 60 mph and ~ 50 at the entrance to the roundabout. And just doing 80 in the US would earn you a ticket in and of itself. I was talking about traffic circles on surface streets, not freeways. > Given good visibilty from 100 yards, you can easily come to a complete halt if > required from 60. If the roundabout's clear you can accelerate away. Good visibility for this in the USA? Are you kidding? By the time they get finished with the cost cutting and pacifying the NIMBY's and the asthetics nuts in the area, you'd be lucky to have 100 ft visibility and you'd almost certainly have a stop sign at the minimum at the entrance. Signature"You can't legislate away people's right to be a.sholes!" --Wesley Snipes as Simon Phoenix in "Demolition Man." > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And just doing 80 in the US would earn you a ticket in and of itself. I > was talking about traffic circles on surface streets, not freeways. This is about roundabouts not traffic circles. What exactly do you mean by 'surface streets' btw - as opposed to those in tunnels or on overpasses ? > > Given good visibilty from 100 yards, you can easily come to a complete halt if > > required from 60. If the roundabout's clear you can accelerate away. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > asthetics nuts in the area, you'd be lucky to have 100 ft visibility and > you'd almost certainly have a stop sign at the minimum at the entrance. Roundabouts do not have stop signs. The junction in that example had plenty of visibility btw. A roundabout would stop almost all accidents there. Graham Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in rec.autos.driving: > This is about roundabouts not traffic circles. > What exactly do you mean by 'surface > streets' btw - as opposed to those in tunnels or on overpasses ? Surface street = non limited access (i.e. non interstate) roads; especially those in cities. > > > Given good visibilty from 100 yards, you can easily come to a complete halt if > > > required from 60. If the roundabout's clear you can accelerate away. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Roundabouts do not have stop signs. Wait untill some safety hound over here gest its hands on them (and I am referring to roundabouts, traffic circles or what ever here in the US). > The junction in that example had plenty of visibility btw. A roundabout would stop > almost all accidents there. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. But the simple fact is that to get one built would be a feat similar to raising the Titanic when you factor in all the legal hurdles that must be jumped through first. Signature"If a pastor buys meth, does that make him a Methodist?" --Jay Leno > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > rec.autos.driving: >>>> Given good visibilty from 100 yards, you can easily come to a complete halt if >>>> required from 60. If the roundabout's clear you can accelerate away. >>> Good visibility for this in the USA? Are you kidding? By the time they >>> get finished with the cost cutting and pacifying the NIMBY's and the >>> asthetics nuts in the area, you'd be lucky to have 100 ft visibility and >>> you'd almost certainly have a stop sign at the minimum at the entrance. >> Roundabouts do not have stop signs. > Wait untill some safety hound over here gest its hands on them (and I am > referring to roundabouts, traffic circles or what ever here in the US). This illustrates the unfortunate fact that many people in the US do not know what a roundabout really is. It's even more unfortunate that this includes the majority of posters in this newsgroup. FYI, roundabouts in the US do not have stop signs on approaches. They have deflected entry points controlled by yield signs. Traffic in the circle itself has the right of way over entering traffic. Traffic circles, on the other hand required traffic in the circle to yield to entering traffic. Here's some more information on roundabouts: http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/00068.htm > Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. But the simple fact is that to get > one built would be a feat similar to raising the Titanic when you factor > in all the legal hurdles that must be jumped through first. That's not the case at all. I know that NC has several roundabouts. There's also one that I know of in VA. Just GIS for roundabout to find many more examples. > This illustrates the unfortunate fact that many people in the US do not > know what a roundabout really is. It's even more unfortunate that this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > circles, on the other hand required traffic in the circle to yield to > entering traffic. You forget that most implementation is done half assed to outright wrong. Thusly, most drivers in the USA have never seen a properly constructed roundabout. I certainly haven't seen one. What is seen are poorly constructed traffic circles with stop signs and even traffic lights. I've seen all sorts of farked up arrangements but never a proper roundabout in the USA. > > This illustrates the unfortunate fact that many people in the US do not > > know what a roundabout really is. It's even more unfortunate that this [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > seen all sorts of farked up arrangements but never a proper roundabout in > the USA. They do exist in the USA and where they've been introduced have resulted in fewer accidents and have proven popular. http://www.roundaboutsusa.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout Graham > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Eeyore said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wait untill some safety hound over here gest its hands on them (and I am > referring to roundabouts, traffic circles or what ever here in the US). The whole *CONCEPT* of roundabouts involves them not having stop signs ! With stop signs it's no longer a roundabout. > > The junction in that example had plenty of visibility btw. A roundabout would stop > > almost all accidents there. > > Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. But the simple fact is that to get > one built would be a feat similar to raising the Titanic when you factor > in all the legal hurdles that must be jumped through first. There are none. Roundabouts are becoming gradually accepted in the USA. Their use prevents all those high speed T-bone accidents. Graham Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >This is about roundabouts not traffic circles. What exactly do you mean by 'surface >streets' btw - as opposed to those in tunnels or on overpasses ? In America, urban freeways are typically grade-separated from the surrounding streets (mostly elevated, but occasionally in a depression as in the case of LA's "downtown slot" or completely underground as in Boston's "Big Dig." The term "surface streets" is commonly used to refer to any non-freeway street/road/highway. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The term "surface streets" is commonly used to refer to any > non-freeway street/road/highway. Thanks for the explanation. This is sometimes done here but not so often I guess. Graham > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> said > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How many roads with vastly different speed limits (e.g. 30 MPH and 55 > MPH) intersect at a roundabout? Lots. In fact one comes to mind instantly that's 30 and 70. > What would the roundabout's speed limit be in that case? I've never some across anyone ask that before ! It would be the higher speed. > How many crashes would occur there because > either a) 55 MPH traffic had to suddenly slow down to 30 MPH Doesn't happen. In any case why does slowing down cause crashes ? That sounds a bit odd to me ! > or b) 30 MPH traffic failed to speed up to 55 MPH? You clearly don't understand how roundabouts work. Graham >>>And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering >>>their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > A roundabout would fix the problem there. Congratulations! You've reached a new plateau of stupidity. > Graham > > "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad > Mothers)" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Congratulations! You've reached a new plateau of stupidity. Do explain why it wouldn't rather than make a silly unsupported assertion. I suspect you know very little about modern roundabouts as found widely in Europe and pioneered in the UK since 1963 as a combined accident reduction and traffic flow enhancement method. Graham >>>"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad > Mothers)" wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Do explain why it wouldn't rather than make a silly unsupported assertion. A roundabout is NOT going to make roads any less icy. A roundabout 50 feet ahead cannot affect the laws of physics before a driver even reaches it. > I suspect you know very little about modern roundabouts as found widely in Europe You (as usual) are dead wrong and in fact I'm an advocate of roundabouts. I am not, however, an advocate of morons like you > and > pioneered in the UK since 1963 as a combined accident reduction and traffic flow > enhancement method. > > Graham >>>> "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >>>> > Mothers)" wrote: >>>>> And right below that is this one which I came across some time back. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUSLCe3S58&NR >>>>> >>>>> Definite proof that inattentiveness, and not velocity, is the >>>>> contributing factor in most crashes. >>>> A roundabout would fix the problem there. >>> Congratulations! You've reached a new plateau of stupidity. >> Do explain why it wouldn't rather than make a silly unsupported >> assertion. > A roundabout is NOT going to make roads any less icy. He was referring to the video link that was posted in <g14rq2paa69bgk3v507buo5gk09blegvhl@4ax.com>, not the one I originally posted. The roads weren't icy there. Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 00:05 GMT >> >And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering >> >their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >A roundabout would fix the problem there. Teaching people how to drive would also fix the problem. If you don't teach them how to drive, then the results are similar to those presented by the video. No loss; I thought the situation was pretty funny. What amazed me about the incident is that the truck driver on 53rd *had* to see the car at the intersection, and didn't take defensive driving maneuvers. Even more amazing is the dullard on 119th, who obviously looked at the van crossing 53rd, and used that for their visual clue that it was safe for them to cross 53rd. Fortunately both inattentive drivers got what they deserved. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyUSLCe3S58&NR >What amazed me about the incident is that the truck driver on 53rd >*had* to see the car at the intersection, and didn't take defensive >driving maneuvers. Actually, he was probably distracted and/or his view was blocked at a critical moment by the white van that crossed between the pickup truck and the car. By the time the white van was out of the way, the red car was already directly in front of the pickup truck. >Even more amazing is the dullard on 119th, who obviously looked at the >van crossing 53rd, and used that for their visual clue that it was >safe for them to cross 53rd. I'm guessing the dullard assumed it was a 4-way stop. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 15:16 GMT >"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and the car. By the time the white van was out of the way, the red car >was already directly in front of the pickup truck. Watch the video again, and tell me what percentage of time the red car's view was actually obscured by the white van. The red car begins to move through the intersection before the white van completes it's cross. The driver of the truck wasn't paying proper attention to cross traffic, so he contributed to the incident. This type of inattentiveness will get you killed in my locale. Interestingly enough, the camera man pans the camera to include the red car at just the correct time, as if the incident were staged. >>Even more amazing is the dullard on 119th, who obviously looked at the >>van crossing 53rd, and used that for their visual clue that it was >>safe for them to cross 53rd. > >I'm guessing the dullard assumed it was a 4-way stop. I'm with the anchor, who at the beginning plainly states people aren't paying enough attention. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >>"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >>Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Watch the video again, and tell me what percentage of time the red >car's view was actually obscured by the white van. Yes, they both COULD have seen each other had they been paying full attention. That's why I used the word "distracted." >The driver of the truck wasn't paying proper attention to cross >traffic, so he contributed to the incident. In all fairness, the pickup driver had no reason to expect the dumbass car driver not to yield the right-of-way. Think about it: do you expect cross traffic to jump out in front of you every time you go through a green light? >This type of >inattentiveness will get you killed in my locale. Lots of failure-to-yield scofflaws where you live? >Interestingly enough, the camera man pans the camera to include the >red car at just the correct time, as if the incident were staged. Perhaps the cameraman, unlike the two drivers, was paying attention and has good reflexes? SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > In all fairness, the pickup driver had no reason to expect the dumbass > car driver not to yield the right-of-way. Think about it: do you > expect cross traffic to jump out in front of you every time you go > through a green light? Unfortunately it happens. Roundabouts fix the problem at source ! Graham Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 19:11 GMT >"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Yes, they both COULD have seen each other had they been paying full >attention. That's why I used the word "distracted." You also used "and/or", but we'll let that slide. :-) >>The driver of the truck wasn't paying proper attention to cross >>traffic, so he contributed to the incident. > >In all fairness, the pickup driver had no reason to expect the dumbass >car driver not to yield the right-of-way. Think about it: do you That's the "unexpected" that Carl Troller keeps harping about, and I keep suggesting that doesn't exist. You've got to "drive ahead", or your situational awareness factor will be insufficient for survival on these streets. >expect cross traffic to jump out in front of you every time you go >through a green light? Actually I do. And if I don't drive in an anticipatory stance in this regard, I will be involved in an accident, most likely severe. That link I posted some time back regarding this state's drivers being among the worst in the nation wasn't fiction. :-) >>This type of >>inattentiveness will get you killed in my locale. > >Lots of failure-to-yield scofflaws where you live? You got it. >>Interestingly enough, the camera man pans the camera to include the >>red car at just the correct time, as if the incident were staged. > >Perhaps the cameraman, unlike the two drivers, was paying attention >and has good reflexes? That would have been my guess. They're lucky the truck driver didn't hit the white van, or the resultant vector would have directed them into the reporter and camera man. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> "Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >>In all fairness, the pickup driver had no reason to expect the dumbass >>car driver not to yield the right-of-way. Think about it: do you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >your situational awareness factor will be insufficient for survival on >these streets. There's no question the pickup driver was not paying proper attention. Even as he approached the car, there was no discernable effort on his part to alter course or brake to avoid a collision - he just plowed right on ahead and T-boned the car. I'd split the culpability 80/20 between the car driver and the truck driver. >>expect cross traffic to jump out in front of you every time you go >>through a green light? > >Actually I do. And if I don't drive in an anticipatory stance in this >regard, I will be involved in an accident, most likely severe. I don't normally do that unless I see something out of the ordinary, like a vehicle that doesn't seem to be slowing down or something. If I weren't selective about it, I'd have to crawl through every intersection at 5 MPH like firetrucks do. >>Perhaps the cameraman, unlike the two drivers, was paying attention >>and has good reflexes? > >That would have been my guess. They're lucky the truck driver didn't >hit the white van, or the resultant vector would have directed them >into the reporter and camera man. Damn right! That reporter would never have known what hit him. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 21 Jan 2007 16:35 GMT >"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" <stfu@microsoft.com> said in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >right on ahead and T-boned the car. I'd split the culpability 80/20 >between the car driver and the truck driver. Sounds like a reasonable culpability split to me. :-) >>>expect cross traffic to jump out in front of you every time you go >>>through a green light? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >weren't selective about it, I'd have to crawl through every >intersection at 5 MPH like firetrucks do. I'm not saying I reduce my speed to 5mph, but it does drop. >>>Perhaps the cameraman, unlike the two drivers, was paying attention >>>and has good reflexes? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Damn right! That reporter would never have known what hit him. But he would have had a decent witness, even more so if it were a live broadcast. :-) Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 19:34 GMT >>This type of >>inattentiveness will get you killed in my locale. > >Lots of failure-to-yield scofflaws where you live? In thinking about this further, the incident recorded by the camera man smells strikingly familiar to the event I encountered at the gas station a couple of weeks back. Only difference was that instead of cross traffic obscuring the view, it was someone in the right lane. Either way, it was the inattentiveness and the incompetence of the drivers at a stand still that lead to both situations; in the case at the gas station the driver of the truck was at least attentive enough to respond appropriately. By the way, I came back by the same gas station a week later, albeit earlier in the day, and some other dullard was blocked in the middle of the entrance again. Too bad I didn't need any gas. :-) Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> > Watch the video again, and tell me what percentage of time the red > car's view was actually obscured by the white van. At the critical time. This is the trouble with this kind of junction. That's all it needed unless you're to suggest the driver of the red car was intentionally attempting to kill themselves. Graham Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 19:14 GMT >> Watch the video again, and tell me what percentage of time the red >> car's view was actually obscured by the white van. > >At the critical time. The driver of the red car initiated motion before the white van was half way through the intersection. Not recognizing that should result in mandatory license suspension, although Darwin usually catches up to these types. >This is the trouble with this kind of junction. > >That's all it needed unless you're to suggest the driver of the red car was intentionally attempting to kill themselves. Depends on how you want to interpret "intentionally." I consider someone cleaning a loaded firearm to be "intentionally" trying to kill themselves. I also believe inattentive drivers are "intentionally" trying to kill themselves. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in rec.autos.driving: > What amazed me about the incident is that the truck driver on 53rd > *had* to see the car at the intersection, and didn't take defensive > driving maneuvers. Really. When ever I approach an intersection where I don't have a stop sign, I am looking for apporaching vehicles and from time to time, I have started easing away from one side of the intersection and preparing to take evasive action due to an approaching vehicle that I think is not going to stop. SignatureF ools A nd A rrogance > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - > President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to take evasive action due to an approaching vehicle that I think is not > going to stop. There was a stop sign there wasn't there but it was a bit back from the junction itself. Graham > What amazed me about the incident is that the truck driver on 53rd > *had* to see the car at the intersection, and didn't take defensive > driving maneuvers. His view was blocked by the white van crossing. This is another advantage of roundabouts. Your view of traffic can't be blocked this way. Graham Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 15:19 GMT >> What amazed me about the incident is that the truck driver on 53rd >> *had* to see the car at the intersection, and didn't take defensive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Graham The driver of the red car began to proceed through the intersection prior to it's view being blocked by the white van. Though the driver of the red car is the main cause of the accident, the truck driver contributed to it by not being more aware of his situation. If I drove with the level of attentiveness evidenced by either driver in the video, I'd have been killed in an automobile "accident" years ago. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> > >"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The driver of the red car began to proceed through the intersection > prior to it's view being blocked by the white van. No. It proceeded to the edge of the intersection. Graham Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 19:14 GMT >> >"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >No. It proceeded to the edge of the intersection. Then it failed to come to a complete stop, also another suicidal maneuver at a busy intersection. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> > >"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Then it failed to come to a complete stop, also another suicidal > maneuver at a busy intersection. It also slowed down to a near stop, then took off again with the view of the road blocked by the white van. I presume the driver of the red car assumed that if it was safe for the van to cross the junction it must be for them too. A foolish error. Graham Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 22:01 GMT >> >"Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad >Mothers)" wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >It also slowed down to a near stop, then took off again with the view of the road blocked by the white van. To me it appears that it took off before the van blocked the view, not after. >I presume the driver of the red car assumed that if it was safe for the van to cross the junction it must be for them too. > >A foolish error. We get a fair amount of those assumptions around here. The only way I would even remotely consider such an assumption would be if my "white van" were a slow moving semi, and other conditions were favorable. Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> > And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering > their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPPgVNxgDGU Can't tell the location, but it looks like Kansas City every year in the first snowstorm of the season. >> And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering >> their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPPgVNxgDGU > Can't tell the location, but it looks like Kansas City every year in > the first snowstorm of the season. From comments I read in the thread I got the link from, it took place in Denver, CO. > >> And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering > >> their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > From comments I read in the thread I got the link from, it took place > in Denver, CO. Ouch...my guess missed by almost exactly 600 miles. Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Arif Khokar said in rec.autos.driving: > >> And we thought that taking their hands off the steering wheel, covering > >> their eyes and screaming in panic was the worst they could do. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > From comments I read in the thread I got the link from, it took place > in Denver, CO. Aunt Judy's neck of the woods, innit?? Signature"My tars have been bald for two years. Every month i glue some sandpaper to them and everythings cool." --Laura Buch murdered her boyfriend / laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE 10/25/05 Message ID: s2ttl1tgnpq5pr6p48lr111p3lnvr4blch@4ax.com http://tinyurl.com/7p7xq Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 15:19 GMT >Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Arif Khokar said >in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Aunt Judy's neck of the woods, innit?? Why am I not surprised? Think AJ got some air time? Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in rec.autos.driving: > >Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Arif Khokar said > >in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Why am I not surprised? Think AJ got some air time? I wouldn't mind seeing SADDAM star in a snuff film. SignatureLBMHB/lb-VH/SADDAM supports the troops: "Like hell. The Morons will just get a couple other jarheads to take the place of these two. " --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, Sept 13, 2006 10:43PM Ref: http://tinyurl.com/y6gbk2 Message ID: dujhg25i1fecsoh791df5qe1fmk7fiu0na@4ax.com Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) - 20 Jan 2007 21:44 GMT >Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - >President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I wouldn't mind seeing SADDAM star in a snuff film. You might be hard pressed to find a co-star for it, though. :-/ Signaturegpstard (gpsman@driversmail.com) demonstrates his inability to comprehend the simple differences of the definitions of the monosyllabic words "time" and "chance:" (Message-ID: <1167151218.287827.24230@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>) Why don't you argue that the faster one drives the less time spent driving and available to be involved in an accident? GPSboi demonstrates he doesn't understand the concept of "zero velocity": : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/4b00dc234d5fd559 Please explain how you concluded a vehicle with a velocity of zero might be -the- contributing factor to a collision due to driver inattentiveness. "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Joshua Calvert <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> demonstrates his lack of understanding of the terms "sarcasm", "irony", and "hypocrisy": Poor rightard, forced to whine about an 40 year old event. Message-ID: <Xns970A68202F1C5joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in rec.autos.driving: > >Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - > >President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > You might be hard pressed to find a co-star for it, though. :-/ No need to. We'll just soup up about a couple of dozen M1A1 tanks to be capable of about 180 or so, rent a racetrack like Daytona or Talladega, set up a few hundred cameras (may need to consult with FOX here) and then have a race: AJ's in its beater vs the tanks. I'd hazard that AJ wouldn't last the first lap.... :P I'm sure we wouldn't have trouble finding a couple dozen "jarheads," to do the driving... SignatureLBMHB/lb-VH/SADDAM supports the troops: "Like hell. The Morons will just get a couple other jarheads to take the place of these two. " --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, Sept 13, 2006 10:43PM Ref: http://tinyurl.com/y6gbk2 Message ID: dujhg25i1fecsoh791df5qe1fmk7fiu0na@4ax.com > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - > President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I'm sure we wouldn't have trouble finding a couple dozen "jarheads," to > do the driving... Hey ! Make it more fun. Forget hotrodding the tanks. Set the speed limit for the track at 55 ! ;~) Graham > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - > President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I'm sure we wouldn't have trouble finding a couple dozen "jarheads," > to do the driving... Hell, you don't have to go that far. How about some fully loaded tri-axle dump trucks. When AJ drafts, the dump a load of rip-rap. Doug >>Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Ted Kennedy - >>President of DDDAMM (Drunk Driving Divers Against Mad Mothers) said in [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Doug I can't wait for it to snow! The girlie's Corrado is out of commission for a while so I bit the bullet and got some real snow tires for the 944. It has been YEARS since I've had a RWD car to play in the snow with, and never one this well balanced! I didn't want to spend the money, but now that I have, I want to play! BTW the tires I got were Dunlop "Winter Sport M3s" on sale at the Tire Rack for about $250 a set. size 195/65-15, they look like itty |
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