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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / January 2007

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Brent P - 23 Jan 2007 16:15 GMT
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1562.asp
http://thechandlertimes.com/jan07-feature1.asp

"Mooney is not the first Valley driver to learn during a routine traffic
stop that she was driving on a suspended license. The current system of
photo ticket prosecution is resulting in the suspension of numerous
drivers. licenses without the drivers. knowledge. Some learn of their
suspended licenses by mail, others by a traffic police officer. All
agree: in addition to the time and money lost trying to reinstate their
licenses, unknown suspensions leave Valley residents feeling like victims
of an impersonal and unjust system."
<...>
"The server then submits a delivery affidavit to the court, even if the
process server left the citation on the porch, with the landscaper or
with a nine-year-old. A hearing date is then scheduled, and when the
registered vehicle owners don.t show, their licenses are suspended, even
if they never knew of the citation and even if they weren.t the actual
the drivers."

Combine this with the prior thread on AZ's impoundment profit center:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1555.asp

An error with the photo radar process can result in a driver having his
license suspended, thousands in court costs and fines, being jailed, and
having his car impounded. All so much without a day in court until the
appeals.

Seem's one of the 'speed kills, law is the law types will have a change
of heart because of the system though:

".If you don.t like photo-radar, don.t speed.. This is advice 60-year-old
Lydia D.Agosto used to give photo-radar complainers. Then Scottsdale
Judge Herbert Pierpan suspended D.Agosto.s license even though she was
never photographed speeding.

D.Agosto appeared in court to prove she was not the 35-year-old,
black-haired driver of a Mini Cooper cited for speeding. D.Agosto is 60,
has curly, light hair and drives a van. She did not own the speeding
vehicle and was clearly not the driver.

D.Agosto.s daughter, who has a different legal name, had registered the
car at her mother.s address. As a result, the 60-year-old grandmother.s
license was suspended after 40 years of driving without a single traffic
infraction.

During her trial, Judge Pierpan pushed D.Agosto.s default license
suspension through even though she was physically present and clearly not
the driver. D.Agosto says the Scottsdale judge ignored the facts
altogether. The superior court agreed with her appeal, reversing all
judgments, fines and defaults, but D.Agosto.s justice came at a cost of
$1,000 paid to a traffic attorney and hundreds more in court fees.

.It.s unfortunate that most people do not want to fight it,. D.Agosto
says of the Scottsdale traffic courts. .The court system as a result just
takes advantage of that. It.s disheartening to see that people are
getting tickets for something they didn.t do,. D.Agosto adds. .Think of
all the people who can.t afford to fight it..

D.Agosto says the most infuriating step in the process was standing
before a judge, expecting justice, and feeling ignored. .They just rubber
stamp. They don.t even hear what you.re saying,. D.Agosto says. .Judges
need to know people are looking over their shoulders.."

And the prosecutor is from the corporation contracted to run the photo
radar:

"Defendants who take a day off work and show up to prove they weren.t the
driver, weren.t speeding or weren.t legally served may be surprised to
find a salaried prosecutor arguing against them. Redflex Traffic Systems,
which makes around $70 from each paid ticket, also serves as the
prosecutor and key witness in the trials. What some see as a financial
conflict of interest goes mostly unnoticed, as many drivers assume the
prosecutor is a city employee."

Corporatism at its finest.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 23 Jan 2007 16:25 GMT
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1562.asp
> http://thechandlertimes.com/jan07-feature1.asp
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> of an impersonal and unjust system."
> <...>

Oh boo hoo. The poor deadly speeders actually get punished and lose
their license and have to go a few months without killing anyone with
their reckless driving.  You criminal coddlers are pathetic. Bet you
also whine  about how mean it is to put those nice child molesters in
prison. HAHAHA
N8N - 23 Jan 2007 17:05 GMT
> > http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1562.asp
> > http://thechandlertimes.com/jan07-feature1.asp
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> also whine  about how mean it is to put those nice child molesters in
> prison. HAHAHA

the lady in the article wasn't speeding.  THINK (if you can)

nate
Sir Ray - 23 Jan 2007 20:24 GMT
Hmm, sounds like somebody we all know and love on this newgroup  would
post this nonsense:
"If you don.t like photo-radar, don't speed.. This is advice
60-year-old
Lydia D.Agosto used to give photo-radar complainers."
Ooops.

" Then Scottsdale Judge Herbert Pierpan suspended D.Agosto.s license
even though she was never photographed speeding."
I wonder if there's anyway to get these corrupt judges suspended - what
kind of mechanism, if any, does the Arizona court system support?
Matthew T. Russotto - 24 Jan 2007 19:11 GMT
>I wonder if there's anyway to get these corrupt judges suspended - what
>kind of mechanism, if any, does the Arizona court system support?

Same as anywhere else... you waylay them in an alley, put a rope
around their neck, and lift them up.  That's about the only way to get
a judge suspended, unless they're caught diddling the Superior Court
judge's daughter.

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bob zee - 24 Jan 2007 03:26 GMT
>Oh boo hoo. The poor deadly speeders actually get punished and lose
> their license and have to go a few months without killing anyone with
> their reckless driving.  You criminal coddlers are pathetic. Bet you
> also whine  about how mean it is to put those nice child molesters in
> prison. HAHAHA

i like you.  i really do.  we should meet.  i want to touch you.  i
want to feel the power.  you are great.  it still hurts a little that
you insulted me in the past.  maybe when you see my great face, you
will like me.

bob z.
GetYoHansUpCracker - 23 Jan 2007 19:08 GMT
> ".If you don.t like photo-radar, don.t speed.. This is advice 60-year-old
> Lydia D.Agosto used to give photo-radar complainers. Then Scottsdale
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> judgments, fines and defaults, but D.Agosto.s justice came at a cost of
> $1,000 paid to a traffic attorney and hundreds more in court fees.

Hopefully her daughter reimbursed her.  If not, then it is just the cost
of raising a bad kid.
Scott en Aztlán - 24 Jan 2007 04:53 GMT
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in
rec.autos.driving:

>"Mooney is not the first Valley driver to learn during a routine traffic
>stop that she was driving on a suspended license. The current system of
>photo ticket prosecution is resulting in the suspension of numerous
>drivers. licenses without the drivers. knowledge.

Same sh.t happened in Wisconsin a few years ago. Some chick from IL
was driving through America's Dairyland, got pulled over, and a
records check showed that her WISCONSIN license had been suspended.
IIRC, they impounded her car.

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/4154b167c1942cc9?dmode=sou
rce&hl=en


AZ is actually a little late getting into the game.
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Brent P - 24 Jan 2007 05:55 GMT
> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in
> rec.autos.driving:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> IIRC, they impounded her car.
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/4154b167c1942cc9?dmode=sou
rce&hl=en
 
She turned out to be sun times writer as I recall. Not going to look it
up.

> AZ is actually a little late getting into the game.

Of course. And that's a big reason why government isn't to be trusted and
the protections of rights should never be lessoned one bit.
 
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