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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ 50-car pileup in Pa. snowstorm kills one Interstate 90 shut for hours after accident; several people slightly injured ERIE, Pa. - A chain-reaction crash on a snowy interstate highway involving about 50 vehicles, including an ambulance carrying patients, killed one person Thursday, officials said. Authorities were not releasing information on the death. It was unclear whether anyone in the ambulance was injured. Erie was expected to get up to 6 inches of snow Thursday. ----------------- > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > > 50-car pileup in Pa. snowstorm kills one > Interstate 90 shut for hours after accident; several people slightly > injured Where does it say that excessive speed was involved? There are other factors that can also contribute to accidents. THINK (heh, I've wanted to say that for a while :) (yeah, I know, don't feed the troll)  SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >Where does it say that excessive speed was involved? There are other > factors that can also contribute to accidents. THINK HAHAHA. Have you ever driven a car in america? Do you even know what a car is? In america no one ever slows down for a snowstorm. That would mean the snowstorm has won. On Jan 26, 1:01 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >Where does it say that excessive speed was involved? There are other > > factors that can also contribute to accidents. THINK >HAHAHA. Have you ever driven a car in america? Do you even know what a > car is? Took the bait, didn't you? > In america no one ever slows down for a snowstorm. That would mean the > snowstorm has won. And Darwin has a party. BTW, are you aware of the difference between maximum legal speed and "too fast for conditions"? I was taught as a teen not to drive faster than visibility allows. It could be that the storm appeared to come out of nowhere. Remember, this is winter, storms can move fairly fast. > In america no one ever slows down for a snowstorm. That would mean the > snowstorm has won. LMAO. You're probably right about that one for a change. I can soooo believe that with the American psyche. Graham >> In america no one ever slows down for a snowstorm. That would mean the >> snowstorm has won. >LMAO. >You're probably right about that one for a change. I can soooo believe that with >the American psyche. You haven't seen anything until you see what happens in Houston when the highways ice up. With sheriffs deputies furiously flagging traffic out in the middle of the road, the idiots continue along at high speed until they hit an overpass. Then they slide right into the pileup ahead of them, the one they could not see until after it's too late. One thousand five hundred (1,500) cars crashed in 24 hours. -- "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson spam@uce.gov (Citizen Bob) said in rec.autos.driving: >You haven't seen anything until you see what happens in Houston when >the highways ice up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >One thousand five hundred (1,500) cars crashed in 24 hours. Now that's a spectacle worth booking a hotel room for. Get a room with a balcony overlooking the freeway, sit out there with your camcorder on a tripod, and repeatedly take beers from your cooler while you watch the show. Then sell a copy of the tape to the local TV station, which covers the cost of your room, your beer, and maybe even a couple of hookers. :) SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! >>Where does it say that excessive speed was involved? There are other >> factors that can also contribute to accidents. THINK > > HAHAHA. Have you ever driven a car in america? I am no longer an American licensed driver. Drove in Ohio for years, but now I am licensed to drive in California, and we all know living in California is like living on another planet. <chuckle> > Do you even know what a > car is? *pat on the head* You poor, poor troll. You're delusional. > In america no one ever slows down for a snowstorm. Right. You obviously have never driven in Cleveland. :) Traffic slows to a crawl during bad snowstorms there. (I lived there for over 30 years, about half of which I spent driving) SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >>Where does it say that excessive speed was involved? There are other >> factors that can also contribute to accidents. THINK [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >In america no one ever slows down for a snowstorm. They do however slow down for the kind of traffic density that leads to 50 car pileups. >>They do however slow down for the kind of traffic density that leads >to 50 car pileups. Not in Houston. The last ice storm we had in 1996 (IIRC) led to 1,500 car accidents because of slippery roads. The fools drive 70-80 mph and hit a slick overpass and then run right into the pileup that they could not see until it was too late. I saw it live on TV once. It is a frightful sight seeing cars speed right into that pileup, completely ignoring the sheriffs deputies who are furiously trying to flag motorists down. The traffic authorities did not take any chances when we were threatened this time ( a couple weeks ago). They simply shut down many of the roads before hand. Fortunately the ice storm never got to Houston. -- "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson >>>They do however slow down for the kind of traffic density that leads >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The fools drive 70-80 mph and hit a slick overpass and then run right > into the pileup that they could not see until it was too late. It's safer when it snows - then some cars can't get up the overpass. Some drivers think if their front wheels are spinning, it will help if they stomp the accelerator even more. > In article <Xns98C47856EA49Briemann1850yahoo...@207.217.125.201>, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. Steve, as you saw, it DOESN'T say they were speeding. And as you guess it, it's troll feeding time. In a group like this, it would be enough to simply summarize the article and provide a URL to it, but Laura is pulling her usual and trying to start a flamefest. Charles R. Whealton Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ----------------- How do you know they were speeding? Signature"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- "I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone and how he missed the demo of the iPhone speakerphone. Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS screwed a goat and then spewed forth this crap in rec.autos.driving: << ECP removed >> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Authorities were not releasing information on the death. It was unclear > whether anyone in the ambulance was injured. I'm disappointed. Only one death in this accident. Darwin is slipping in the quality of his work. > Erie was expected to get up to 6 inches of snow Thursday. Damn, I'm glad I live where it doesn't snow. SignatureLBMHB/lb-VH/SADDAM supports the troops: "Like hell. The Morons will just get a couple other jarheads to take the place of these two. " --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, Sept 13, 2006 10:43PM Ref: http://tinyurl.com/y6gbk2 Message ID: dujhg25i1fecsoh791df5qe1fmk7fiu0na@4ax.com On Jan 26, 1:49 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > > 50-car pileup in Pa. snowstorm kills one > Interstate 90 shut for hours after accident; several people slightly > injured The problem is with linear thinkers like yourself, believing that posted speed limits are always right, and anything else is always wrong. What IS right is to drive the proper speed for conditions, whether it's 85 MPH on a dry day with light traffic, or 15 MPH in a blizzard. > What IS right is to drive the proper speed for conditions, whether it's > 85 MPH on a dry day with light traffic, or 15 MPH in a blizzard. Ah yes. Another nut who thinks laws don't apply to him. > > What IS right is to drive the proper speed for conditions, whether it's > > 85 MPH on a dry day with light traffic, or 15 MPH in a blizzard. > > Ah yes. Another nut who thinks laws don't apply to him. One speed fits all, 60 mph on a dry day with light traffic and 60 mph in pouring rain, bumper to bumper in the black of night. Signature"The ultimate test is always your own serenity." Robert M Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS screwed an armadillo and then left this crapola for all to smell in rec.autos.driving: > > What IS right is to drive the proper speed for conditions, whether it's > > 85 MPH on a dry day with light traffic, or 15 MPH in a blizzard. > > Ah yes. Another nut who thinks laws don't apply to him. Look who's talking.... Signature-- Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend (a.k.a. SADDAM) admits to being a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler: "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/ laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj <*Hic!!*>Speeders & Drunk Drivers <*Hic!!*> are MURDERERS s<*Hic!!*>aid in rec.autos.driving<*Hic!!*><*Hic!!*>: > Ah yes. Another nut who thinks laws don't apply to him. <*Hic!!*> Hey!!!! <*Hic!!*> I <*Hic!!*> resemble tha<*Hic!!*>t!! <*Hic!!*> Ted "Chappaquidd<*Hic!!*>" Kennedy > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ----------------- The variable message sign on the NY Thruway in Syracuse said "I90 WESTBOUND / CLOSED IN PA" last night, with the traffic info AM stations as far east as Utica (that I know of), proclaiming the same thing and why. Apparently all westbound traffic was being detoured from Thruway Exit 61 to US 20 to get to "Pennsylvania and Ohio" per the traffic announcements. They were talking about significant snow fall in the area as well. Was all of I-90 closed or just the portion between exits 32 and 35? SignatureJ.P. Wing, Road Scholar, Civil Engineering student upstatenyroads.com renumbernewyork.com > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ----------------- What's even more aggravating are morons with keyboards and ISPs. Steve > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Erie was expected to get up to 6 inches of snow Thursday. That area is notorious for sudden heavy snow. I've been caught in that exact same area where 2 feet of snow has fallen...in early April. The problem isn't necessarily that people are speeding but rather that most don't know how to drive in snow. Look at what happens when snow falls in Virginia and points southward. A lot of seasoned veterans have a better idea of how to drive in snow but when a sudden whiteout occurs and you can't see the cars around you, all bets are off. >> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > idea of how to drive in snow but when a sudden whiteout occurs and you can't > see the cars around you, all bets are off. Laura or whatever its name is nows there was no mention of speeding. Don't feed this troll. > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16820445/ > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > idea of how to drive in snow but when a sudden whiteout occurs and you can't > see the cars around you, all bets are off.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - In most cases of multple car pile-ups it is a case of following too close vice speed. Of course there is the 'sudden white-out' (snow) or 'brown out' (dust). where there just isn't time to establish a good following distance before you are in the soup. Harry K > The problem isn't necessarily that people are speeding but rather that most > don't know how to drive in snow. Look at what happens when snow falls in > Virginia and points southward. If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should slow down or pull over. Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal coddler. > If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should slow down or > pull over. Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal coddler. Dammit. No matter how much I taunt you, I can't get you to call ME a criminal coddler! I'm hurt! :( SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > > If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should slow down or > > pull over. Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal coddler. > > Dammit. No matter how much I taunt you, I can't get you to call ME a > criminal coddler! I'm hurt! :( You're just not very good at it. You'd have better luck if you told how great it is to drive two hundred mph in school zones tossing out Jim Bean empties while fiddling with your in-dash CD player. Signature"The ultimate test is always your own serenity." Robert M Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Bill Bonde said in rec.autos.driving: > > > If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should slow down or > > > pull over. Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal coddler. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > great it is to drive two hundred mph in school zones tossing out Jim > Bean empties while fiddling with your in-dash CD player. And talking on a cellphone. -- necromancer Criminal coddler. And proud of it, man!! >> You're just not very good at it. You'd have better luck if you told how >> great it is to drive two hundred mph in school zones tossing out Jim >> Bean empties while fiddling with your in-dash CD player. >And talking on a cellphone. This is not a topic for humor. When I first moved to Houston I used to drive past a school and there was this middle-aged woman working the school zone crossing. Every morning she was there, even in bad weather. She was a local fixture. Then one day she disappeared. A couple days later there was a wreath of flowers at the intersection. Later they named the nearby park after her. Some drunk cretin mowed her down. -- "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson > On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:46:30 -0500, necromancer > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Some drunk cretin mowed her down. And i bet nothing was done to the DUI. That's why the highway killing continues. People know they can get away with it just like laura bush did. Anyone found at fault in a fatal car crash should do a minimum of 20 years. Stop the coddling. > > On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:46:30 -0500, necromancer > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > And i bet nothing was done to the DUI. That's why the highway killing > continues. Usually they get a slap. (But since they usually need that to just wake up, it's not much) > People know they can get away with it just like laura bush > did. She wasn't drunk. It was an accident. > Anyone found at fault in a fatal car crash should do a minimum of > 20 years. Stop the coddling. So you are going to be driving around shaking in your car for fear you'll do twenty in the big house? Signature"The ultimate test is always your own serenity." Robert M Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" > > People know they can get away with it just like laura bush > > did. >She wasn't drunk. It was an accident. So? Reckless drivers that kill people go to prison all the time for ":accidents". >> Some drunk cretin mowed her down. >And i bet nothing was done to the DUI. I believe it was hit and run. >People know they can get away with it just like laura bush did. Was she illegally intoxicated? >Anyone found at fault in a fatal car crash should do a minimum of 20 years. If we lived in an anarcho-capitalist society, once the posse apprehended the bastard, out would come the rope - or the chains if it is East Texas. >Stop the coddling. LOL. I am not coddling. You quit projecting. If it had been up to me, I would have chained the bastard to the back of my Jeep and paraded him thru the streets of Houston. -- "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson > On 27 Jan 2007 08:58:53 -0800, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are > >People know they can get away with it just like laura bush did. >Was she illegally intoxicated? Probably though nobody knows for sure. But she definitely blew the stop sign and that made it manslaughter at the least. But no charges were filed!!!! Pure corruption. > > On 27 Jan 2007 08:58:53 -0800, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stop sign and that made it manslaughter at the least. But no charges > were filed!!!! Pure corruption. Wasn't the sign obstructed by tree limbs or something? And why do you assume without evidence that she was drunk? Signature"The ultimate test is always your own serenity." Robert M Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" > >> You're just not very good at it. You'd have better luck if you told how > >> great it is to drive two hundred mph in school zones tossing out Jim [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Some drunk cretin mowed her down. So it was the lawn maintenance man on his tractor? Signature"The ultimate test is always your own serenity." Robert M Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" >> Some drunk cretin mowed her down. >So it was the lawn maintenance man on his tractor? No, it was a hit and run driver who killed her. -- "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> said in misc.transport.road: >> If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should slow down or >> pull over. Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal coddler. > >Dammit. No matter how much I taunt you, I can't get you to call ME a >criminal coddler! I'm hurt! :( STFU, you goddamn criminal coddler! (Happy now?) SignatureMy driving videos: http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/videos.html "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS" <josegoldberg@yahoo.com> wrote: >> The problem isn't necessarily that people are speeding but rather >> that most don't know how to drive in snow. Look at what happens when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pull over. Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal > coddler. Pulling over on an interstate in such circumstances is the last thing you want to do. Guaranteed to cause an accident. People who do that should be arrested. Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS screwed a skunk and then left this crap in rec.autos.driving for all to smell: << ECP removed >> > If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should slow down or > pull over. If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should get the f.ck off the road. > Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal coddler. Take your own advice, criminal coddler. -- necormancer Deadly psychopath. And proud of it, man!! > > The problem isn't necessarily that people are speeding but rather that most > > don't know how to drive in snow. Look at what happens when snow falls in > > Virginia and points southward. > > If they don't know how to drive in snow, then they should slow down or > pull over. Stop making excuses for these killers, you criminal coddler. Well waddaya' know? I think I might actually agree with you on something for once. ;-) I'd go further and say that if they honestly don't know how to drive in snow or are more than just mildly nervous about it, they should stay the hell off the roads. :-# -- L8r, Uncle Clover __________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Every birth carries within it the seed of its own demise __________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >The world would be a much better place if everyone would learn to sit down, shut up and just *BE* once in awhile....< __________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blog: "Family - The Binds That Tie" http://bindsthattie.blogspot.com/ >> > The problem isn't necessarily that people are speeding but rather that most >> > don't know how to drive in snow. Look at what happens when snow falls in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > in snow or are more than just mildly nervous about it, they should stay the hell > off the roads. :-# While I know how to drive in snow, so many people in Albuquerque don't know or have forgotten. I'm better off staying home where I'm not a target. SignaturePat O'Connell [note munged EMail address] Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints, Kill nothing but vandals... > Re: 50 car pile-up in PA as idiot americans insist on right to speed during snowstorm 85 mph on glare ice not a problem, just "steer into the skid". |
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