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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / February 2007Speeding DUI kills 3 - Gets 45 years to life
Times are a-changing for reckless drivers. No more can they kill and say "hey dood - it was an accident" and have the matter dropped. Now lets go after Laura Bush for that guy she killed. http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_026222227.html Man Gets 45 Year Sentence For Fatal, Drunken Crash (CBS)Jan 26, 2007 7:21 pm US/Pacific SAN FERNANDO, Calif. A 38-year-old La Canada Flintridge man was sentenced to 45 years to life in state prison in connection with a drunk driving crash that killed a father and his two young children on the Ronald Reagan (118) Freeway. Timothy Whelan was driving a Chevrolet Corvette at speeds of up to 156 mph -- recorded by an event data recorder in the car -- near Louise Avenue in the San Fernando Valley when he rear-ended a Honda on Nov. 5, 2003. The Honda slammed into a center divider and the car exploded, killing the driver, Juan Tellez, 24, of Simi Valley, his 7-year-old daughter Nohemi and 5-year-old son Gerardo. The victims could not immediately be identified because their bodies were charred. Authorities used the Honda's vehicle identification number to track down their identities. Whelan, who had served time in state prison on two drug-related cases from 1991 and 1995, had a blood-alcohol content level of .26 -- more than three times the legal limit, according to Deputy District Attorney Greg Denton. Whelan was found guilty July 12, 2006, of three counts of second-degree murder and two counts of drunken driving. On Jan 27, 9:09 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Times are a-changing for reckless drivers. No more can they kill and say > "hey dood - it was an accident" and have the matter dropped. Now lets go [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Whelan was found guilty July 12, 2006, of three counts of second-degree > murder and two counts of drunken driving. 3rd strike, he's OUT! 156 mph and .26 BAC? Scheiskopf used his Corvette as a WMD in this case. Good call this time AJ. You may get the hang of it yet. The guy should be locked up forever for putting a good Corvette to waste like that; I'm sure Scott would agree. The crook should receive repeated beatings with a banana. > The guy should be locked up forever for putting a good Corvette to > waste like that; No such thing as a good corvette. That's as sick as saying a good Humvee. Good only to psychopaths who love to kill and terrorize on the highways. >> The guy should be locked up forever for putting a good Corvette to >> waste like that; >No such thing as a good corvette. That's as sick as saying a good >Humvee. Good only to psychopaths who love to kill and terrorize on the >highways. You deserve to be run down by a speeding Corvette for your continued crossposting to off-topic groups. MLOM even corrected it for you, but no, you had to go and set it back. Now if someone should run you down, that person should be given a VERY expensive ticket... ...one for the Superbowl on the 50 yard line, or a box seat to the 7th game of the World Series, or to a Broadway play or concert or whatever floats his boat, as a reward for removing a crossposting troll from the net. But if he wastes a Corvette doing so, perhaps the prize should be demoted to end zone seats or something. On Jan 28, 7:15 pm, nob...@anywhere.at.all wrote: > >> The guy should be locked up forever for putting a good Corvette to > >> waste like that; > >No such thing as a good corvette. That's as sick as saying a good > >Humvee. Good only to psychopaths who love to kill and terrorize on the > >highways >.You deserve to be run down by a speeding >Corvette for your continued > crossposting to off-topic groups. Now wait a minute. What is OT about a DUI thread in these 5 groups? THINK rec.autos.driving, misc.transport.road, alt.law-enforcement.traffic, talk.politics.misc, alt.true-crime Cross-posting moron wrote: > rec.autos.driving, It's not off-topic in that group. > misc.transport.road, That group is about road networks, not driving. > alt.law-enforcement.traffic, It's on topic for that group. Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS, a connisseur and consumate expert on gay kid porn, after a "session," spewed forth this crap in rec.autos.driving: > On Jan 28, 7:15 pm, nob...@anywhere.at.all wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Now wait a minute. What is OT about a DUI thread in these 5 groups? > THINK Anything that you spew forth is off topic by default. > rec.autos.driving, misc.transport.road, alt.law-enforcement.traffic, > talk.politics.misc, alt.true-crime Yep, still off topic and the newsgroups unrelated to each other. The majority has spoken.  Signature"Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS," defends a known *drunk driver*: "Almost all vehicle 'accidents' are due to driver recklessness but the Chappaquidick incident is one instance where it may really have been no ones fault except the idiot who built the bridge." --"Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend," 11/10/2005 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/9jtjt Msg ID: 1131599968.267321.318380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com On Jan 28, 8:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote: > On Jan 28, 7:15 pm, nob...@anywhere.at.all wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > rec.autos.driving, misc.transport.road, alt.law-enforcement.traffic, > talk.politics.misc, alt.true-crime OT for m.t.r, possibly OT for t.p.m unless a politician is involved. OK for the others. 60% on topic, a passing grade (D) in most schools. A politician inolvement would be 80% solution, a B grade. Can't say that's too bad a try. > On Jan 28, 8:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > rec.autos.driving, misc.transport.road, alt.law-enforcement.traffic, > > talk.politics.misc, alt.true-crime >OT for m.t.r, possibly OT for t.p.m unless a politician is involved. > OK for the others. 60% on topic, a passing grade (D) in most > schools. A politician inolvement would be 80% solution, a B grade. MTR is a trucking NG so a thread about speeding drunk drivers is ok there. And TPM is about everything. THINK On Jan 29, 10:21 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > On Jan 28, 8:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > schools. A politician inolvement would be 80% solution, a B grade.MTR is a trucking NG so a thread about speeding drunk drivers is ok > there. And TPM is about everything. THINK You have m.t.r confused with m.t.t. (misc.transport trucking) which *is* about trucking. MTR is strictly about roads and signs. >> On Jan 28, 8:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > MTR is a trucking NG so a thread about speeding drunk drivers is ok > there. I don't know where you get that idea from. misc.transport.trucking is a trucking NG; misc.transport.road is an infrastructure NG. Note, not use-of-infrastructure but infrastructure itself (although we do tend to get some leakage from RAD, a good deal started by you). Signature--Andy -------------------------------------------------- Andrew G. Tompkins Software Engineer Beaverton, OR http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways -------------------------------------------------- [groups adjusted] > I don't know where you get that idea from. misc.transport.trucking is > a trucking NG; misc.transport.road is an infrastructure NG. Note, not > use-of-infrastructure but infrastructure itself (although we do tend > to get some leakage from RAD, a good deal started by you). Well, I guess Carl Rogers decided to fight fire with fire and infest r.a.d. with road-infrastructure designation debates ;) What I really find interesting is the "New Book on Michigan Highways" thread he started (only in r.a.d., which is rather unusual given that he didn't x-post it to m.t.r.). Somehow a porn spambot happened to "find" that post and has repeatedly responded to it in that thread (which is now over 3 months old and has close to 2000 posts). I begin to wonder if Carl had something to do with it. >>.You deserve to be run down by a speeding >Corvette for your continued >> crossposting to off-topic groups. >Now wait a minute. What is OT about a DUI thread in these 5 groups? >THINK >rec.autos.driving, misc.transport.road, alt.law-enforcement.traffic, >talk.politics.misc, alt.true-crime rec.autos.driving: It could be argued that since it is a REC group, it is for people who enjoy driving so your rants are off-topic, but since it is the driving group, it's on-topic. misc.transport.road: Off topic, it is on road infrastructure, nothing to do with driving, drunks etc. alt.law-enforcement.traffic: Probably on topic most of the time, not if you're not discussing traffic enforcement or the lack thereof at the time. talk.politics.misc: Off topic, except when you're talking about things like Senator Kennedy's famous drunk driving incident or Bill Janklow's stop sign running, AND how that involves politics. alt.true-crime: I don't know about that, but I suspect it's likely for famous, clever or unusual crimes. There are other off-topic groups that you've included in the past (not this time). The one I can think of is soc.culture.usa. Has nothing to do with culture at all, of any place. You mentioned in another posting you thought misc.transport.road was a trucking group. This shows a violation of simple ettiquette by yourself. You should always read a group to see what it's really about to before posting to it, to see if your post is appropiate. Obviously, you haven't read misc.transport.road. In addition, trucking groups are off-topic unless there's actually a truck involved. Out of the on-topic groups, simple ettiquette is to select the most appropiate group, maybe two at the most, and if more than one, set Followup-To: to the best group, one that you read. On Jan 31, 9:57 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > misc.transport.road: Off topic, it is on road infrastructure, nothing > to do with driving, drunks etc. So why isn't it called misc.infrstructure? It's called misc.transport.road and that means driving trucks. Now maybe it's been hijacked by the off-topic posters and turned into an infrrastructure NG, but then those posters are the ones you should yell at. THNK >On Jan 31, 9:57 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: >> misc.transport.road: Off topic, it is on road infrastructure, nothing >> to do with driving, drunks etc. >So why isn't it called misc.infrstructure? It's called >misc.transport.road and that means driving trucks. WRONG. misc.transport.road was NEVER about trucks. There is no reason for it to be about trucks! That's what misc.transport.trucking was (and is) for, fool! > Now maybe it's been >hijacked by the off-topic posters and turned into an infrrastructure >NG, but then those posters are the ones you should yell at. Why should a group called "misc.transport.road" be about trucking. Wouldn't "misc.transport.trucking" be a better name for discussing trucking? Wait, someone already thought of that, long ago! Sorry, road infrastructure is on topic for the group, and also the best group for such discussion. A name like misc.infrastructure doesn't restrict itself to roads. "Infrastructure" includes things like water and sewer systems, dams, power lines, pipelines, railroads etc. as well. Also, I noted that you deleted where I told you any trucking group would be off-topic unless trucks were involved. So why are you *still* trying to include misc.transport.road (and alt.politics.misc)? Oh, don't come back with a lame excuse like "it is about trucking, there may have been a truck nearby". > THNK Why do you never take your own advice? > On Jan 31, 9:57 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael > Moroney) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > infrrastructure NG, but then those posters are the ones you should > yell at. THNK Road infrastructure. It is not a driving NG. That's what RAD is there for. It is not a trucking NG. That's what misc.transport.trucking is for (and the MTR charter specifically says that it deals with aspects of roads not covered in other NGs with a specific mention of MTT). You might try reading the NGs that you blast to before blasting. You might try reading the FAQ (http://www.roadfan.com/mtrfaq.html) to get a general flavor of what is covered by the NG, too. Oh, and please respond to the correct post next time (the response is obviously to my previous post, not Michael's). Oh, and use your spell checker next time, too (1 a and 3 r's in infrastructure, 1 I in THINK). Signature--Andy -------------------------------------------------- Andrew G. Tompkins Software Engineer Beaverton, OR http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways -------------------------------------------------- > > On Jan 31, 9:57 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael > > Moroney) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Beaverton, ORhttp://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways > -------------------------------------------------- Andy, I fully agree. Since several m.t.r. regulars have web sites, I recommend looking some of them over (the FAQ should have some listed). AFAIK none deal with trucks, or traffic. We have roads, signs, bridges, and map stuff. When I have something dealing with traffic, not mentioning a road layout, I go to r.a.d. > > > On Jan 31, 9:57 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael > > Moroney) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > signs, bridges, and map stuff. When I have something dealing with > traffic, not mentioning a road layout, I go to r.a.d. Your tiny little brain still doesn't get it. Maybe you WANT m.t.r. to be about infrastructure and maybe it's flooded with lots of off-topic infrastructure threads, but the NG name says nothing about infrastructure. The NG name says it's about road transport and that means trucking and that's that. Go to the goup talk.politics.guns and you'l find tons of threads on the iraq war but that doesn't make it proper to start war threads there. >> > Road infrastructure. It is not a driving NG. That's what RAD is >> > there for. It is not a trucking NG. That's what [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> signs, bridges, and map stuff. When I have something dealing with >> traffic, not mentioning a road layout, I go to r.a.d. >Your tiny little brain still doesn't get it. Maybe you WANT m.t.r. to >be about infrastructure and maybe it's flooded with lots of off-topic >infrastructure threads, but the NG name says nothing about >infrastructure. The NG name says it's about road transport and that >means trucking and that's that. You are so wrong here, it's amazing. Even more wrong than usual for you. Misc.transport.trucking was created first, and people who discussed things as roads and urban transportation went there, since at the time, misc.transport.trucking was the closest group to their interests. These off-topic (non trucking) posts became enough of a problem that people had misc.transport.misc, misc.transport.marine and misc.transport.road created to get these posts out of their trucking newsgroup. The charter for misc.transport.road reads: CHARTER: misc.transport.road For discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: *individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. *announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. and the one line description (which shows up on many newsreaders 'subscribe' function is: misc.transport.road Road transportation except trucking, urban transit So there you have it. misc.transport.road was created to explicitly exclude trucking. Read the newsgroup creation and voting discussion at http://www.faqs.org/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.transport.misc >>>> On Jan 31, 9:57 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael > > > Moroney) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > infrastructure. The NG name says it's about road transport and that > means trucking and that's that. WRONG!! The NG name doesn't specify what is acceptable content and what is off-topic. The NG charter does that. The name is merely a translation of the charter into the limited capabilities of the Usenet naming structure and conventions. The MTR charter is: ------ misc.transport.road is for discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. ------ Note the specific example of MTT for stuff that is not included in MTR. One of the things implied here is that if you are cross-posting, it doesn't belong in MTR (the part about 'not included in other groups'). The reason MTR was created was because a lot of the infrastructure stuff was going into other existing groups like MTT and MTUT (there wasn't a specific place for it), and readers of those NGs didn't want it there. If you read MTR you would find that 95% of the msgs are these road infrastructure topics (construction projects/design specifications, signs/fonts, designation/marking/classification, operations/financing, maps/trip planning/trip reports, structures, etc). That indicates to me that the 5% that you blast us with on DUI/speeding/coddling topics are the ones that are off-topic in MTR. The charter confirms this. Signature--Andy -------------------------------------------------- Andrew G. Tompkins Software Engineer Beaverton, OR http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways -------------------------------------------------- "Andrew Tompkins" <andytom@comcast.net> wrote in news:8L2dnUpAYIndw1 _YnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com: > WRONG!! The NG name doesn't specify what is acceptable content and > what is off-topic. The NG charter does that. The name is merely a > translation of the charter into the limited capabilities of the Usenet > naming structure and conventions. The MTR charter is: For the tenth time - If you want it to be about infrastructure, then change the name to misc.infrastructure.road. Or maybe misc.highwayconstruction. Otherwise STFU. >"Andrew Tompkins" <andytom@comcast.net> wrote in news:8L2dnUpAYIndw1 >_YnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com: >> WRONG!! The NG name doesn't specify what is acceptable content and >> what is off-topic. The NG charter does that. The name is merely a >> translation of the charter into the limited capabilities of the Usenet >> naming structure and conventions. The MTR charter is: [unsnip charter] CHARTER: misc.transport.road For discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: *individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. *announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. Binary and encoded posts of any sort are prohibited. END CHARTER. [end unsnip] >For the tenth time - If you want it to be about infrastructure, then change >the name to misc.infrastructure.road. Or maybe misc.highwayconstruction. >Otherwise STFU. If you had even bothered to read the charter instead of just snipping it, you'd see it is about roads themselves, not simply infrastructure or highway construction. The group is properly named, and is being properly used (except for your crossposts). Fortunately, nobody made you Queen of Usenet, so we'll continue to enjoy our on-topic road discussions here, and please take your off-topic crap some place more appropiate. May I suggest alt.stupidity? Of course, you never did give a justification for crossposting your crap to a trucking newsgroup, whatever its name. > "Andrew Tompkins" <andytom@comcast.net> wrote in news:8L2dnUpAYIndw1 > _YnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com: MLOM, if you are replying to this person, don't reply only in MTR. He doesn't read it (obviously). He only spams to it thinking erroneously that his topics have any relevance here. I don't know which of the 5 he actually does read, although he obviously reads one of RAD or ALET (in the NG list of the header). >> WRONG!! The NG name doesn't specify what is acceptable content and >> what is off-topic. The NG charter does that. The name is merely a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > then change the name to misc.infrastructure.road. Or maybe > misc.highwayconstruction. You can't just go and change a NG's name. The current name was established more than 10 years ago and fit within the existing classification system. For the eleventh time - read the charter, FAQ and NG before posting. ------ misc.transport.road is for discussion of all aspects of road/highway transportation and design not included in other groups (such as misc.transport.trucking and misc.transport.urban-transit). Commercial posts and advertising are not appropriate for this group, with the following exceptions: * individuals seeking to buy or sell books, magazines, collector's items, memorabilia, etc. are permitted. * announcements of commercial or semi-commercial web sites and other resources are permitted. All such commercial or advertising posts should be brief, should not be posted repeatedly and must be clearly related to the topics the group is meant to discuss. Frequent reposting of the same or similar articles is specifically prohibited. ------ From http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/good-proposal.faq, a description on how to write NG proposals (Requests for Discussion), something needed to create a new newsgroup (MTR's one is at http://www.faqs.org/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/misc/misc.transport.misc about a quarter to a third of the way down the page): ------ THE CHARTER: In addition to a brief sketch of the general topic of the group, the charter should mention the types of articles that would be welcome in the group, and perhaps a mention of types that might seem welcome, but would be inappropriate. ... Because the charter is a formal description of the anticipated context and scope of the proposed group, an informal "contract" between the proponent (you) and the future readers of the group, and a primary reference source about the group (even more important than a group FAQ), the charter should be written in a simple, self-contained manner that will still convey the same meaning a decade from now. ------ Signature--Andy -------------------------------------------------- Andrew G. Tompkins Software Engineer Beaverton, OR http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways -------------------------------------------------- Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Michael Moroney said in rec.autos.driving: > Out of the on-topic groups, simple ettiquette is to select the most > appropiate group, maybe two at the most, and if more than one, set > Followup-To: to the best group, one that you read. Just apply the KISS principle and just deem anything from somebody with a name like "Laura Bush...," or "Speeders & Drunk Drivers...," is off topic by default. Makes life alot easier. Signature-- "I'm all for making the SUV owners park in the rear of the lot. It should be handled like handicapped parking. A special sticker on the plate designating this vehicle as a highway tank that must be parked in the tank area." --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 10/23/05 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/dnox5 http://tinyurl.com/c92qg Message ID:1130115926.511881.4700@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com > Times are a-changing for reckless drivers. No more can they kill and say > "hey dood - it was an accident" and have the matter dropped. Now lets go > after Laura Bush for that guy she killed. > The Honda slammed into a center divider and the car exploded, killing the > driver, Juan Tellez, 24, of Simi Valley, his 7-year-old daughter Nohemi and > 5-year-old son Gerardo. Sounds like they were hispanic - I thought you didn't like them and would be rejoicing. >> Times are a-changing for reckless drivers. No more can they kill and >> say "hey dood - it was an accident" and have the matter dropped. Now [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sounds like they were hispanic - I thought you didn't like them and > would be rejoicing. I hate illegals, not beaners in general. And BTW, i am rejoicing - over the severe sentence given to the killer >>>Times are a-changing for reckless drivers. No more can they kill and >>>say "hey dood - it was an accident" and have the matter dropped. Now [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I hate illegals, not beaners in general. Sure you do. Of course you also believe that anyone who looks "Mexican" must be an illegal. How do you feel about the recent ICE raids in your community? > And BTW, i am rejoicing - over the > severe sentence given to the killer |
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