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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / February 2007

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Brent P - 30 Jan 2007 14:40 GMT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6380274,00.html

Eco-friendly homes 'face tax hike'
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Homeowners who spend money on eco-friendly wind turbines may face higher
council taxes, MPs have warned.

An all-party Commons trade and industry committee report says that "if
home owners invest in solar panels, wind turbines or energy efficiency
measures, this is likely to increase the value of their properties and
result in higher council tax bills."

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Scott en Aztlán - 30 Jan 2007 15:41 GMT
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in
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>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6380274,00.html
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>measures, this is likely to increase the value of their properties and
>result in higher council tax bills."

No worries. In America, having big ugly solar panels on your roof is
considered an eyesore, and will LOWER your property value. That is, if
your HOA allows you to have them at all... :)
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Dave Head - 31 Jan 2007 02:12 GMT
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Don't I remember someone telling us that there absolutely, positively no
property tax in the UK?  If so, what is this?  It it a property tax by a
roundabout name, or is this not the UK as it sounds to be?

Dave Head
Matthew T. Russotto - 31 Jan 2007 13:53 GMT
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6380274,00.html
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>measures, this is likely to increase the value of their properties and
>result in higher council tax bills."

Hold on, that's England (where according to Graham there aren't any
property taxes, but that's a side issue).  We're not quite so far down
that path in the US -- here, you could probably get a tax break
because the solar panels and wind turbines are aesthetically not to
the liking of the local busybodies and therefore lower their property
value.
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Eeyore - 31 Jan 2007 14:58 GMT
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6380274,00.html
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> Hold on, that's England (where according to Graham there aren't any
> property taxes, but that's a side issue).

Yup. No property taxes.

As you see above you pay 'council tax' which pays for local services. This varies
according to your property on a sliding scale but not in direct relation to its
value.

The fact it's not a property tax is shown by the fact that it was preceded by the
'community charge' which all individuals paid.

Graham
Dave Head - 31 Jan 2007 22:22 GMT
>> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6380274,00.html
>> >
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>according to your property on a sliding scale but not in direct relation to its
>value.

Do renters pay it directly to the government, or only homeowners?

>The fact it's not a property tax is shown by the fact that it was preceded by the
>'community charge' which all individuals paid.

>Graham
Brent P - 31 Jan 2007 23:11 GMT
>>> Hold on, that's England (where according to Graham there aren't any
>>> property taxes, but that's a side issue).

>>Yup. No property taxes.

>>As you see above you pay 'council tax' which pays for local services. This varies
>>according to your property on a sliding scale but not in direct relation to its
>>value.

> Do renters pay it directly to the government, or only homeowners?

It doesn't matter, this council tax is just another name for what we call
property tax in at least some parts of the USA. In c(r)ook county IL,
property tax is almost practically on a "sliding scale but not in direct
relation to its value" after all the convoluted is done, with various
assement rules, exemptions, freezes, adjustments, and different rates for
different towns, townships, etc and ones connections to government are
factored in.
Eeyore - 01 Feb 2007 03:29 GMT
> >> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6380274,00.html
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> Do renters pay it directly to the government, or only homeowners?

I'm not sure now. In the 'old days' when they were called rates, the property owner
was responsible. When it became council tax it was down to whoever lived in the
property. I suspect it's back to the owner now.

It doesn't get paid to central government btw. It's paid to the local city / district
council and some of it also goes to the local county council. None goes to central
government ( 'Whitehall' as it's sometimes called - similar idea to your Feds ).

How do you guys finance your local council services - education - police - upkeep of
local roads etc ?

Graham
Dave Head - 06 Feb 2007 23:49 GMT
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>Graham

Mostly with property taxes, which are mostly voted on by the people that get
taxed, at least where I come from.  They issue bonds to do things, or have an
education levee.  There's much politicing, and ads for and against on the radio
and TV, and then people vote.  Education levees are hard to get passed a lot of
the time.

Also, in some places, there are local income taxes.  Those too get voted on by
the people that get taxed, often but not 100%.  The city says they'll have to
cut (something dear - like police, fire, or ambulance) and we'd better pass it
or else, but of course they could have made it up by cutting fluff that nobody
cares about - everybody knows it - and so there's sometimes that the extra tax
doesn't pass anyway.  Then the city figures out how not to cut the cops, fire,
or ambulace and go ahead and cut the fluff anyway, or maybe not, if they were
actually telling the truth (rare...)

Its fairly contentious, tho - but keeps the city elected leaders from just
arbitrarily raising taxes whenever they feel like it.  That was is the way to
have huge taxes.

Dave Head
Matthew T. Russotto - 06 Feb 2007 18:37 GMT
>> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6380274,00.html
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>according to your property on a sliding scale but not in direct relation to its
>value.

That's a property tax.

>The fact it's not a property tax is shown by the fact that it was preceded by the
>'community charge' which all individuals paid.

So you don't mind having a poll tax as long as it's called a
"community charge", nor a property tax if it's called "council tax".
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Larry Bud - 31 Jan 2007 15:33 GMT
> Homeowners who spend money on eco-friendly wind turbines may face higher
> council taxes, MPs have warned.
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> measures, this is likely to increase the value of their properties and
> result in higher council tax bills."

The fact that property taxes are calculated on the value of your land
and anything on it is ridiculous.  It's a disincentive to improve ones
property.  It should ONLY be calculated as a flat % on the amount of
land you have.
Ed Pirrero - 31 Jan 2007 18:48 GMT
> > Homeowners who spend money on eco-friendly wind turbines may face higher
> > council taxes, MPs have warned.
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> property.  It should ONLY be calculated as a flat % on the amount of
> land you have.

So big farms get pounded, while high-rise owners get off easy?

LOL.

E.P.
websurf1@cox.net - 01 Feb 2007 02:48 GMT
> The fact that property taxes are calculated on the value of your land
> and anything on it is ridiculous.  It's a disincentive to improve ones
> property.  It should ONLY be calculated as a flat % on the amount of
> land you have.

The guys who own the multi-million dollar lots and ranches would love
THAT!

The property taxes for all should be low enough that they are not a
disincentive to improve.
Tax water and energy use instead.
 
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