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Frustrations over licenses well up
Some want laws eased; others seek tougher penalties
By LEE ROOD - REGISTER STAFF WRITER
February 4, 2007
Mark Melton bought the $4,000 car for his 17-year-old daughter in early
January. Nine days later, it was totaled in a crash with a woman who,
court records showed, had been driving unlicensed and uninsured on and
off for years.
"She ran a red light and hit the rear end of my daughter's car," said
Melton, of Des Moines, who filed a small-claims lawsuit against the
driver in Polk County. "Now I am left holding the bag."
The series "Who Deserves to Drive?" published last week in The Des Moines
Register triggered an outpouring of frustration from Melton and others
about the record number of Iowans who have lost their licenses and hefty
debate about what should be done to those who choose to drive anyway.
"There were a lot of people who didn't realize the issues raised," said
state Rep. Geri Huser, a Democrat who heads the House's transportation
committee.
The Register investigation found that the rate of driver's-license
sanctions by the Iowa Department of Transportation - a sanction occurs
when a license is suspended, revoked or barred - has doubled in a decade
and that more than 310,000 license sanctions were in effect last year.
Among other findings of the series:
- Failing to pay the state's escalating court fines and fees is by far
the No. 1 reason more Iowans are losing their driving privileges. More
than 200,000 license sanctions are in effect because of unpaid fines and
fees.
- Law changes giving the DOT broader oversight of drivers have led to new
license suspensions soaring by 82 percent over seven years.
- The state has failed to collect $438.7 million in fines and fees - a
record amount.
- Some of the most dangerous offenders face few serious penalties
compared with others convicted of driving with a suspended license.
- The young are some of the most likely to commit offenses, rack up
fines, get in crashes and lose their licenses.
Reaction to the series ranged from those who empathized with some low-
income Iowans - such as those who said they could not afford to pay court
fines because they have increased as much as 525 percent in the last
decade - to people who said they supported stiff consequences, such as
mandatory vehicle impoundment, for those who drive uninsured.
Richard Orta of Des Moines said policy-makers have been effectively
criminalizing people who need to drive but cannot afford to pay the
penalties for common traffic offenses.
A disabled veteran, Orta said he has tried unsuccessfully to get work so
he can pay off his own court fines. He said he has paid his traffic fines
to date but has been unable to pay the $400 civil penalty the state also
levies for driving unlicensed.
"Since when is it a privilege for most people to drive?" Orta asked. "If
you don't work, you don't feed your family, and you become a drain on
society."
Another issue is that drivers who have their licenses suspended, revoked
or barred by the DOT often cannot get insurance or cannot afford high-
risk insurance as a result. Many drive anyway.
"I think that's the only thing you can do to make it known that it's not
OK for them to drive," said retiree Mary Duncan of Ankeny.
Duncan said she recently moved from Windsor Heights, where she routinely
watched an elderly neighbor struggle to his car so he could drive. The
neighbor, she said, had lost his license after several accidents.
"It's just sad," she said. "It makes me wonder how many people there are
like that."
Others - even some who have broken the law themselves - expressed little
sympathy for unlicensed drivers.
"You can avoid most of the consequences by simply obeying traffic laws,"
said state Rep. Chuck Gipp, R-Decorah, who is currently on probation for
past speeding offenses. Gipp said the Iowa Department of Transportation
has notified him that he will lose his license if he is ticketed for
another moving violation before June.
State Rep. Rick Olson, D-Des Moines, said he is sponsoring legislation
this year to fix "quirks" in the law that result in drivers losing their
licenses for longer than is necessary. He said he believes the
Legislature should do two more things to allow more Iowans to stay on the
road legally.
First, he said, the state should ease the yearlong probationary period
for people who have had licenses suspended. In the late 1990s,
legislators agreed to a law change that provided for the DOT to re-
suspend the license of anyone who has a new moving violation in a year's
time.
Secondly, he said, if state leaders are going to increase court fines and
fees in lieu of raising taxes, they should at least let drivers keep
their licenses while making payments on that debt.
"It's crazy not to do that," said Olson, an attorney.
Ray Blase, a bureau chief for Polk County Attorney John Sarcone, said his
office plans to ask the Board of Supervisors on Monday for permission to
hire three new workers to collect fines.
The county believes the employees would be able to collect more than
their positions would cost using contempt-of-court proceedings, wage
garnishment and other actions.
About 38 percent of the fines levied in Polk County go uncollected, the
Register's investigation revealed.
The prosecutor's officials also would like to work with the courts on a
program that would allow low-income offenders to keep their licenses as
long as they make regular progress on their fines. "Nothing been agreed
to yet, but the goal is to keep more people on the road legally," Blase
said.
Melton said he understands how small problems can escalate, but he said
he believes authorities should crack down on those who repeatedly drive
uninsured. He said that he set up a meeting with the woman who hit his
daughter and that the woman never showed.
"We need to come down a lot harder on these people," he said. "I did what
I was supposed to do to make sure my daughter was covered. She should
have to too. Not carrying insurance is a very big deal."
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Amazing how some of these iowans want to coddle the reckless drivers who
kill and maim innocent people.
Scott en Aztlán - 06 Feb 2007 06:36 GMT
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said in
rec.autos.driving:
>Reaction to the series ranged from those who empathized with some low-
>income Iowans - such as those who said they could not afford to pay court
>fines because they have increased as much as 525 percent in the last
>decade - to people who said they supported stiff consequences, such as
>mandatory vehicle impoundment, for those who drive uninsured.
Brent is on record as being opposed to impounding the vehicles of
unlicnsed/uninsured drivers. I guess that makes Brent a criminal
coddler. :)

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Brent P - 06 Feb 2007 13:43 GMT
> Brent is on record as being opposed to impounding the vehicles of
> unlicnsed/uninsured drivers. I guess that makes Brent a criminal
> coddler. :)
Remember when I kill filed you scott? This sort of assinine comment is
why. I am opposed to the removal of due process. If you can't figure out
the difference, may CA have a data entry error, show your license as
suspended and your nice yellow corvette mauled by tow hooks, taken to
cook county style impound yard where the engine, trans, and wheels are
stolen, and then after you pay $1000 or so in fines you get it back.
Then, and maybe only then, you'll understand the difference and why our
basic rights are important. For you, for me, and yes even for the poor
people, the illegal aliens, and everyone else.
Scott en Aztlán - 06 Feb 2007 14:20 GMT
tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in
rec.autos.driving:
>> Brent is on record as being opposed to impounding the vehicles of
>> unlicnsed/uninsured drivers. I guess that makes Brent a criminal
>> coddler. :)
>
>Remember when I kill filed you scott? This sort of assinine comment is
>why.
Pointing out that Aunt Judy probably thinks you're a criminal coddler
is asinine?

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Brent P - 06 Feb 2007 14:36 GMT
> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) said in
> rec.autos.driving:
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> Pointing out that Aunt Judy probably thinks you're a criminal coddler
> is asinine?
Misrepresenting my views is.
gpsman - 06 Feb 2007 14:52 GMT
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> In article <6a8gs2peoojoitelg88tn1058rnobli...@4ax.com>, Scott en Aztlán wrote:
> > Brent is on record as being opposed to impounding the vehicles of
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> Remember when I kill filed you scott? This sort of assinine comment is
> why.
Interesting...
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- gpsman
MLOM - 06 Feb 2007 16:48 GMT
> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> said in
> rec.autos.driving:
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> --
> I'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it!
Considering AJ's comments, the use of fines rather than permanent
incarceration and vehicle confiscation is criminal coddling. Do you
suppose that tax money would be saved, and the commutes safer, if
fines and incarceration were to be replaced by execution? That would
further reduce the criminal-coddler factor.
Idiot
Out
Wandering
Around
More Advertising - 06 Feb 2007 08:47 GMT
> http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
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> Amazing how some of these iowans want to coddle the reckless drivers who
> kill and maim innocent people.
The rest of the story!
Iowa has only 2mil people, a very poor State killed in the 1980's
Regean Depression - many have never recovered while the rich
sped away taking oevr the whole State. Most small towns were
killed off. Iowa is still in one very bad condition socially and
economically with a ruling class who REFUSES to tax alcohol
but love to tax cigarettes (and demonise smokers!). Iowa's
priorities are all f.cked up, plain and simple, and the poor fell
off the edge 20+ years ago! 100,00 jobs lost l;ast year alone.
But Iowa is a business friendly State and will let business people
get away with anything, includng 300% car loan interest! The
new governor clamped down yesterday and said he will now
push for a maximum %40%? interest on loans in this State???
Into this whorry mix comes the issue of driving insurance. Many
cant afford it literally. Drivers insurance was made mandatory
about 12 years ago and its strictly enforced when discovered.
Our prisons are FULL TO THE CEILING!
So I dont know what the guy in DesMoines is talking about!
Mandatory insurance is strictly encforced with a vengence.
IT IS A $700 FINE JUST FOR NOT HAVING YOUR PAPERS EVEN IF YOU HAVE INSURANCE!
Most Judges
will reduce that to $300 if you prove you have insurance but it is
still a very hard fine for a small offense or forgetfullness.
Iowa has become a Fascist enterprise with petty crime being a major industry
and the jails full!
More than likely this fellow in DesMoines is pissed because his
speeding rampaging teenage daughter in her little red race car got wolloped
when she wasnt out terrorising the county for a change
and just sitting there waiting to stomp down on the gas pedal!
The worst offenders are the loudest most self righteous complainers who can
afford insurance, while many can't.
They always claim innocence and abuse when in fact they and
their families are the very worst offenders and constant abusers
and manipulators of the laws -
Iowa is know as the cheapest most Hypocritical State in the Union! Every
State around Iowa has a dozen Iowa-Hypocrit
jokes or Cheap-Iowan jokes.
The politicians in DesMoines are the worst hypocrits of all.
Iowa is in deep social and economic trouble, with all the toumoil
and ideological bullshit that goes along with that.
Im surprised they didnt also claim the guy was a child molester
and predatory .... since they couldnt prove he was an axe
murderer and a member of AlQuaida too! Thats Iowa for you.
o.20.tbim@spamgourmet.com - 06 Feb 2007 09:35 GMT
More Advertising spewed forth this in rec.autos.driving:
> The worst offenders are the loudest most self righteous
Which you so aptly demonstrate.
--
necromancer
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 06 Feb 2007 17:03 GMT
> The rest of the story!
>
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> and predatory .... since they couldnt prove he was an axe
> murderer and a member of AlQuaida too! Thats Iowa for you.
Interesting. Iowa sounds about as corrupt as ohio or florida. Do you
still live there and if so why?
Randal - 07 Feb 2007 07:19 GMT
> > The rest of the story!
> >
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> Interesting. Iowa sounds about as corrupt as ohio or florida. Do you
> still live there and if so why?
The real trouble began here in during the Inflationary 70's with farmers
and land speculators over extending during the Inflationary
1970's - most lost their shirts, thousands lost their jobs, State
Agencies went broke, and by 1980 it was a true Depression.
I worked for a State agency and they closed the doors in '78.
I never could get back into an academic job - the people with
jobs would not let outsiders in - so I was forced to start a new
life. Those that kept their jobs inherited everything here. About
200,000 Iowans left Iowa.
I stayed because I had family here including 3 sons. My ancestors settled
in Iowa in 1830 out of the Shenendoah Valley of Virgina from an early
Virginia family.
I stay because I still have family here, there are still large rural
areas and clear skies to enjoy (but the whole State is now being
urbanised), and I dont have the brains or the stamina or the
resources to move... and Im not sure anything else would be
better at my age. I was in my thirties when this hit (70's) and my
children were very young. My wife wanted a divorce and I
vowed to stay to have an active part of my son's lives which I
have had. My children became good human beings and rather successful
thanks to me and their mother. I was a WWII orphan
so Ive come a long way.
By the way, I enjoy your posts here. Keep them coming.
Sincerely,
Jerry
More Advertising - 06 Feb 2007 08:49 GMT
also - the real problem in Iowa is Drunk Drivers. Im a member
of MADD. They wont stop drunks from driving but they will
stop drivers with no insurance! Go figure.
> http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
> AID=/20070204/NEWS10/702040349
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> Amazing how some of these iowans want to coddle the reckless drivers who
> kill and maim innocent people.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 06 Feb 2007 17:04 GMT
> also - the real problem in Iowa is Drunk Drivers. Im a member
> of MADD. They wont stop drunks from driving but they will
> stop drivers with no insurance! Go figure.
Because drunk driving is the rich person's crime.
MLOM - 06 Feb 2007 18:12 GMT
On Feb 6, 11:04 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > also - the real problem in Iowa is Drunk Drivers. Im a member
> > of MADD. They wont stop drunks from driving but they will
> > stop drivers with no insurance! Go figure.
>
> Because drunk driving is the rich person's crime.
"Rich" as in being able to afford a beer or two? Being 30 miles out
of Iowa, most of the DUI bozos in my area drive beaters (not all, so
you can save a bit of breath) and have liability-only insurance (if at
all).
Then again, the politicians' definition of "rich" appears to be "not
requiring government assistance" given the income tax structure in
which anyone making over 8K pays taxes.
necromancer - 06 Feb 2007 23:14 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), MLOM said in
rec.autos.driving:
> "Rich" as in being able to afford a beer or two? Being 30 miles out
Already *way* out of Loco Laura's league...

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Randal - 07 Feb 2007 07:24 GMT
> > also - the real problem in Iowa is Drunk Drivers. Im a member
> > of MADD. They wont stop drunks from driving but they will
> > stop drivers with no insurance! Go figure.
>
> Because drunk driving is the rich person's crime.
The drunks here split both directions, rich and poor. Its simply
my contention that if State officials had had the guts to tax alcohol
commensurate with the need 20+ years ago, Iowa might have
softened some of its hard years for many, including me perhaps
holding a State job at the time. It's not that Im defending smoking
even though I smoke. It is that alcohol has always been a menace
in every catagory youc an measure, far far far beyond anything
related to smoking, and the liquor lobby rules State Legislators
and every Governor. Drinking is like a religion here -
The consequences of all this alcoholism here in Iowa not only
affects driving but every other aspect of life here. And nobody
wants to talk about it!
Thanks
J