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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / February 2007

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Snow Tires and Chains

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Steve B - 07 Feb 2007 22:15 GMT
I need a set of winter tires for my '06 Dodge 2500 Quadcab 4wd.  265/70/17's
These tires need to take me up two miles of icy (at times) road, then 1/2
mile on a dirt road that will have packed snow, ice, and drifted snow up to
two feet high.

These tires will be put on the truck for about three months a year.

What I WANT are some Mongo tires that will allow me to just drive up the icy
two miles, go through the gate, and do the last half mile without having to
stop and put on chains.

For those of you who have Mongo snow tires and encounter this type of
driving, could you tell me if I can realistically have what I want?

This winter was colder and more snow than most.  Some years, there's very
little.  It is in Southern Utah at 7500', and surely not as bad as lots of
other places.  Yet, it only takes 30' of it to get stuck in.

Hints, caveats, models, brand names, and opinions welcome.

Steve
Mike T. - 08 Feb 2007 13:59 GMT
>I need a set of winter tires for my '06 Dodge 2500 Quadcab 4wd.
>265/70/17's These tires need to take me up two miles of icy (at times)
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>
> Steve

Head thee on over to tirerack and read, read, read....
N8N - 08 Feb 2007 14:11 GMT
> I need a set of winter tires for my '06 Dodge 2500 Quadcab 4wd.  265/70/17's
> These tires need to take me up two miles of icy (at times) road, then 1/2
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>
> Steve

I suspect that despite what you may think, what you really want is a
*narrow* set of tires with an aggressive tread.  In snow, especially
loose snow, a narrow tire provides better traction because they tend
to resist the tendency of the tire to float on top of the snow without
biting through it.  On ice, tread compound is really more important
than anything else unless you get studded tires, which I am guessing
you do not necessarily want.

Unfortunately, it's been years since I've had to drive in the kind of
conditions you describe regularly; back then snow tires were typically
bias ply, so any brand recommendations I could make would probably
involve calling my dad and would be woefully out of date :)

nate
Ulf - 08 Feb 2007 17:27 GMT
>> I need a set of winter tires for my '06 Dodge 2500 Quadcab 4wd.  265/70/17's
>> These tires need to take me up two miles of icy (at times) road, then 1/2
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> than anything else unless you get studded tires, which I am guessing
> you do not necessarily want.

Why not? I have studded snow tires on my car all winter, and it's not a
big deal. Sure you can't corner as hard as with the summer tires,
there's a little more road noise at high speeds, and you have to keep
your speed down below about 130 mph or you'll have studded wheel wells,
but the increased grip on wet ice makes up for all that several times
over. Speaking of width, if ice is the big problem wider tires are
preferable since they have more studs, compared to a narrower tire. So
basically, if studded tires are legal where you live, get some, and
remember that a M+S off road tire doesn't compare to a real snow tire
designed to be used only in the winter when it comes to snow and ice.

Nokian Hakkapeliitta is a really good snow tire, and it's available in
your size.

http://www.nokiantyres.com/suv_product_en?product=610500&name=NOKIAN+HAKKAPELIIT
TA+SUV
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> Unfortunately, it's been years since I've had to drive in the kind of
> conditions you describe regularly; back then snow tires were typically
> bias ply, so any brand recommendations I could make would probably
> involve calling my dad and would be woefully out of date :)
>
> nate

Ulf
Motorhead Lawyer - 08 Feb 2007 18:32 GMT
> I have studded snow tires on my car all winter, and it's not a big deal.

It is here.  They're illegal in Wisconsin and Minnesota, among others.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Dunlop Winter M3s)
Ulf - 09 Feb 2007 13:33 GMT
>> I have studded snow tires on my car all winter, and it's not a big deal.
>
> It is here.  They're illegal in Wisconsin and Minnesota, among others.

Obviously, if studded tires are illegal he should avoid 'em, but I
already said that in my previous post. Anyway, I guess you don't get
much snow where you live...

> --
> C.R. Krieger
> (Dunlop Winter M3s)

Replace "Dunlop Winter" with "E92"... :-)

Ulf
Motorhead Lawyer - 14 Feb 2007 18:36 GMT
> Anyway, I guess you don't get
> much snow where you live...

Huh?  You know all those 'Alberta Clippers' that come through the
eastern half of the US?  Guess what 2 states are in between Alberta
and the eastern half of the US.

Yes, we do get snow where I live.  However, we are not allowed to use
studded tires.  They are too damaging to the roads.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
Ulf - 15 Feb 2007 21:01 GMT
>> Anyway, I guess you don't get
>> much snow where you live...
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> Yes, we do get snow where I live.  However, we are not allowed to use
> studded tires.  They are too damaging to the roads.

Yes, I know you do, I was just being an a.shole... :-)

The extra wear with studded tires isn't as great as people think, and if
people use real snow tires the amount of salt dumped on the roads every
winter would be reduced. Don't know about your 535, but mine has got a
fair amount of rust on it and I'd rather be driving a little slower on
snow and ice than through the salt/slush sh.t that's the result of the
salt trucks after every snowfall.

> --
> C.R. Krieger
> (Been there; done that)

Ulf
Motorhead Lawyer - 16 Feb 2007 18:51 GMT
> >> Anyway, I guess you don't get
> >> much snow where you live...
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>
> Yes, I know you do, I was just being an a.shole... :-)

Sorry; was it your day?  I forgot!  ;^)

> The extra wear with studded tires isn't as great as people think, and if
> people use real snow tires the amount of salt dumped on the roads every
> winter would be reduced.

Well, if *everyone* is using 'em, I don't see how it couldn't be
pretty severe.  That said, the reason we have all that salt dumped on
the roads is that people refuse to accept driving on snow as normal,
so all the politicians insist on a 'dry roads' policy.  IOW,
'passable' isn't enough, as it was 50-60 years ago.  It's gotta be
completely snow-free so all the braindead soccermoms can't possibly
slide their minivans off the road while texting their friends on their
cellphones..  And that's just stupid.

> Don't know about your 535, but mine has got a
> fair amount of rust on it and I'd rather be driving a little slower on
> snow and ice than through the salt/slush sh.t that's the result of the
> salt trucks after every snowfall.

Mine's not too bad, which is why it gets to sit in a nice garage while
Da Jeep gets all the winter crap all over it.
--
C.R. Krieger
(BT, DT)
Fred G. Mackey - 17 Feb 2007 05:43 GMT
> Well, if *everyone* is using 'em, I don't see how it couldn't be
> pretty severe.  That said, the reason we have all that salt dumped on
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> slide their minivans off the road while texting their friends on their
> cellphones..  

It still doesn't keep them from sliding off the roads.  I saw a minivan
that had driven off the road on the way home from work tonite.  Maybe
the driver was blown off course.  The wind was horrible here today.

There was also a pickup and I think an SUV, although the latter was hard
to identify since it was on its side.

All that and the temperature was just above freezing as I drove home and
there was no accumulation from the snow that fell today.  The roads
weren't dry, but they werent' covered in ice or snow.
 
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