Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / February 2007
Road Rage Futility
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C. E. White - 15 Feb 2007 12:31 GMT I was a peripheral participant in an interesting little drama on the way to work this morning.
The scene - Wade Ave., Raleigh, NC at the I-440 Beltline. The players - Me, a Scion xA, a Tractor-Trailer, and a 4 axle dump truck.
There are a series of stop light before and at the I-440 intersection. For traffic exiting I-440 from the south, planning to head west on Wade avenue there is a long straight ramp with a light at the bottom.
I was heading west on Wade, more or less trapped behind a Scion xA that was driving at just below the speed limit. As we approached the I-440 stop light, it turned green. However, a semi-truck was in the intersection. I can't say for sure that he ran the light, but he was certainly in the intersection after it had turned green for us. Amazingly the idiot in the Scion who had been poking along, floored it at this point. What happened next almost got the idiot killed. Not only was the semi in the intersection, a huge four axle dump truck was right on his tail, and clearly, no doubt about it, ran the light. The idiot in the Scion almost rammed the dump truck, and laid on the horn. I don't mean a short toot, I mean he laid on it for all it was worth. He got right on the dump truck's rear and also started flashing lights his lights. The Scion briefly pulled on the shoulder on the left and continued to flash lights and honk the horn. As the dump truck signaled his intention to move to the right lane, the Scion whipped around the truck on the right and drove along side the truck still honking the horn. He prevented the truck from getting in the right lane for a considerable distance before the truck driver slowed enough to fall in behind the Scion. The dump truck then took the next exit ramp. By the way, as is often the case, the dump truck was dropping rocks all over the road - so I had backed off from the unfolding drama.. After the dump truck exited, the Scion slowed back down and started clogging up the road again- but at least he was now trapped in the right lane, so I managed to escape this mad man (and it was a man).
Clearly the dump truck driver was at fault for running the stop light. However, I think the xA driver was also at fault. If he had continued at his original sedate pace, the dump truck would never have interfered with him (except for the rocks he was dropping). Instead the xA driver sped up to confront the dump truck. To me this was just lunacy, particularly the move to cut off the driver by going around him on the right. The dump truck could have crushed the xA like a bug. I don't know whether the dump truck driver deliberately blew the light, or if he under estimated the braking required (it is a high speed down hill ramp to the light and the truck appeared to be loaded), or if he didn't see the light change because he was tailgating the semi. Any of these are a possible explanation of why he ran the light. I go through this light on a daily basis, I and know better than to crowd it. This is not the first time I've seen vehicles run the light. I would bet the xA driver was local as well. I could understand him being irate at the trucks running the light. However, his response was insane. Particularly the way he sped up to confront the dump truck (and I mean he floored it to catch up to the truck), and the way he tried to prevent the truck from moving to the right lane. It was just crazy. I assume this was a case of road rage. However, it was like bringing a pea shooter to a gun fight.
Ed
Brent P - 15 Feb 2007 13:42 GMT > Clearly the dump truck driver was at fault for running the stop light. > However, I think the xA driver was also at fault. If he had continued > at his original sedate pace, the dump truck would never have > interfered with him (except for the rocks he was dropping). Instead > the xA driver sped up to confront the dump truck. He was defending his right of way against the dump truck driver's bullying.
> To me this was just lunacy, particularly the move to cut off the > driver by going around > him on the right. The dump truck could have crushed the xA like a bug. Enabling through might-makes-right is what leads many a driver to be such arseholes in the first place.
Having held my ground many a time with nothing more than a bicycle, I can say the risk of homicidal behavior on the part of the trucker was minimal. Like most bullies, all one needs to do is stand up to a road bully.
Harry K - 15 Feb 2007 15:34 GMT On Feb 15, 5:42 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> > Clearly the dump truck driver was at fault for running the stop light. > > However, I think the xA driver was also at fault. If he had continued [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > say the risk of homicidal behavior on the part of the trucker was minimal. > Like most bullies, all one needs to do is stand up to a road bully. Per the OP, the dump truck didn't encroach on the ROW. Only after he 'floored' it did ROW come into play.
Harry K
Brent P - 15 Feb 2007 15:56 GMT > On Feb 15, 5:42 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Per the OP, the dump truck didn't encroach on the ROW. Only after he > 'floored' it did ROW come into play. Truck had a red signal, car had a green. Right of way was the entire issue. Or are you saying that it is acceptable to run red lights if you can get through the intersection before you *think* someone else can?
Harry K - 16 Feb 2007 03:13 GMT On Feb 15, 7:56 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:
> In article <1171553646.208588.319...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, Harry K wrote: > > On Feb 15, 5:42 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Not at all. In the sense that the truck was causing him no problems - until he floored it- he didn't interfere with his ROW.
Technically yes, he violated ROW just as technically he would have if there had been no traffic at all. Not the point though.
Harry K
Brent P - 16 Feb 2007 06:27 GMT > Not at all. In the sense that the truck was causing him no problems - > until he floored it- he didn't interfere with his ROW.
> Technically yes, he violated ROW just as technically he would have if > there had been no traffic at all. Not the point though. Personally, I am sick of enablers holding up traffic so arseholes can run red signals. When you're driving the 6th or more vehicle back and you have to wait an extra cycle because because the lead driver didn't have the balls to confront a red light running arsehole, but sat there while three of them went through the red day in and day out it causes one to see this sort of thing differently.
In this me first, f.ck you society part of being the lead driver in queue at a red signal is getting out there and defending the right of way to stop the conga-line red light running. The conga-line-red-light-runners see it the way you do, counting on sluggish sloth like reaction times and outright enabling by the lead drivers for the cross traffic. They think they can beat them through the intersection and no harm no foul. They will continue until either someone gets a turn in the conga-line who doesn't play that game or the lead driver for cross traffic just goes. The problem is, there is harm because the lead drivers are often too timid to get out there quick and put an end to the nonsense. And that harm is felt by the drivers further back in the queue who are stuck for another cycle if they don't run the red signal themselves.
With regards to reacting quickly and getting on the go pedal to stop the conga line nonsense the driver the OP witnessed did the right thing IMO. (neglecting the later actions) He got out there and stopped the conga line. IME if the lead driver sits there, 1-3 more vehicles *AFTER* the dump truck also go through.
If one fails to defend his right of way, someone will take it from him. And even though this guy drove slower than most, it's red signals that dominate travel time over shorter distances, not speed. So there isn't and inconsistancy in behavior as I see it. Nothing drove home how traffic signals can dominate travel time as my commute to my previous job. My bicycling and driving times were within a minute or two of each other most of the time.
gpsman - 16 Feb 2007 14:44 GMT On Feb 16, 1:27 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote: <brevity snip>
> In this me first, f.ck you society part of being the lead driver in queue > at a red signal is getting out there and defending the right of way to > stop the conga-line red light running. Why, aren't they just "optimizing throughput"?
It's more than a little ironic you think the drivers to your front should risk their vehicles and safety, and perhaps a shitload of their time, to save you a light cycle. -----
- gpsman
C. E. White - 15 Feb 2007 16:19 GMT > Per the OP, the dump truck didn't encroach on the ROW. Only after > he > 'floored' it did ROW come into play. The dump truck clearly ran the red light. It wasn't even close. The semi before the dump truck may have been in the intersection before the light turned red on his side (even that is debatable), but the dump truck didn't even enter the intersection until the light had been green on my side for a perceptible time.
I was very unhappy about the dump truck running the light. I hate being behind those guys. They accelerate poorly and drop rocks all over the road. And, once they are up to speed, they don't mind trying to run you down from behind at speeds well over the posted limit. In this particular case, the dump truck was taking the second exit after he ran the light (only a short distance), so ignoring him would have been a reasonable thing to do. Under no circumstance would I have acted like the xA driver. At a minimum the xA driver created a dangerous situation by weaving back and forth and then deliberately cutting the truck off. As far as I can see all his antics got him nothing. The truck driver still went where he wanted and the xA driver went back to clogging up traffic (but at least I got in front of him).
One more thing - none of the big dump trucks around here have rear license plates. NC only requires one plate, and the DMV enforcement people allow dump trucks to put them on the front bumper. Supposedly this is because they get damaged when dump trucks are backing up to a pile to dump a load. I figure the drivers like them on the front so you can't read them when they dump rocks on the road that hit your car. I hate the signs on the back of the trucks that say "Stay Back 200 Feet" and/or "Not Responsible for Windshields." These are particularly galling when the truck roars past you at 10 over the limit and then cuts in front of you to squeeze into a line of traffic. The only way to "Stay Back 200 Feet" would be to lock up the brakes.
Sorry about the anti-dump truck rant, but they are my least favorite vehicles to deal with (second place is the wood chip trucks that spray wood chips all over the road).
Ed
Studemania - 17 Feb 2007 00:40 GMT On Feb 15, 8:19 am, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com> wrote:
> > Per the OP, the dump truck didn't encroach on the ROW. Only after > > he [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Ed I lived in Massachusetts way back and liked one law that they had. Any truck (vehicle?) used for business needed to have the company name and telephone number clearly painted on it.
That might help.
Fred G. Mackey - 17 Feb 2007 06:14 GMT > I lived in Massachusetts way back and liked one law that they had. > Any truck (vehicle?) used for business needed to have the company > name and telephone number clearly painted on it. > > That might help. Yeah - like today on the way to work, I felt like complaining about the LLB 18-wheeler in front of me that had trouble maintaining his lane and kept going onto the shoulder and sending up showers of gravel on my car. He finally moved to the right and I passed him. How safe would have been for me to have written the phone number down while I was passing him at 70 mph?
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