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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / March 2007Poll - stories of locking your keys in the car
I was inspired by this tale: http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nz.general/msg/32ed70a1e4745df4 What's your worst experience? > I was inspired by this tale: > http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nz.general/msg/32ed70a1e4745df4 > > What's your worst experience? I always have traveled with my vehicle keys on my person; but one time I had left my apartment key in the vehicle, and the vehicle was stolen (the giveaway: broken glass). I had to break in to get home and also had to replace the lock myself, along with providing the landlord a new key. > What's your worst experience? Being with someone so stunningly stupid and devoid of sense that they locked their keys in their car ? "Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> said in rec.autos.driving: >I was inspired by this tale: > http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nz.general/msg/32ed70a1e4745df4 > >What's your worst experience? I have *never* locked my keys in my car. They are either in my pocket, in my hand, in my ignition, or in my drawer at home. >After remotely unlocking the car, I opened up the passenger door and >placed the keys on the driver's seat so as to free my hands. I then [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >door that requires the keys to be either on ones person or in the >ignition to avoid this happening again. This is typical victim mentality. THIS IDIOT locked his keys in his car, - Holden Engineers had NOTHING to do with it. This 'tard needs to man up and accept responsibility for his own stupidity.  SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > >After remotely unlocking the car, I opened up the passenger door and > >placed the keys on the driver's seat so as to free my hands. I then [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > car, - Holden Engineers had NOTHING to do with it. This 'tard needs to > man up and accept responsibility for his own stupidity. Not really; he put his keys in the car and then the car locked itself. There is a popular school of thought that says that if an interface does not behave the way the user expects, then there is a problem with the interface design. "Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> said in rec.autos.driving: >> This is typical victim mentality. THIS IDIOT locked his keys in his >> car, - Holden Engineers had NOTHING to do with it. This 'tard needs to >> man up and accept responsibility for his own stupidity. > >Not really; he put his keys in the car and then the car locked itself. No, really. The car did not reach out and snatch the keys out of his hand, push him out, close the doors, and lock them. When you own a car, it's your responsibility to read the owner's manual and learn how it works. He should have known that the doors would lock automatically and put his keys in his hand (or into his pocket) before closing the door. In addition, some cars are programmable in that options such as automatic locking can be changed or disabled. Mine has a shitload of options that I can set (and there is a second set for a second driver which is independent of the first; the transponder fobs have numbers on the back so you know which is which). If he doesn'tr want his doors to lock automatically when he closes the doors, he should disable that option. >There is a popular school of thought that says that if an interface >does not behave the way the user expects, then there is a problem >with the interface design. That's exactly what I mean. The Victim Mentality absolves you from any responsibility for verifying whether your expectations are realistic. It also absolves you of the horribly difficult task of reading and learning how things actually work. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > "Old Wolf" <oldw...@inspire.net.nz> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > manual and learn how it works. He should have known that the doors > would lock automatically If you got a new PC that had a keyboard button to instantly format the hard drive, with no confirmation prompts once pressed, you wouldn't think it was a poor piece of engineering at all? "Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> said in rec.autos.driving: >> When you own a car, it's your responsibility to read the owner's >> manual and learn how it works. He should have known that the doors [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >pressed, you wouldn't think it was a poor piece of engineering >at all? Strawman. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > "Old Wolf" <oldw...@inspire.net.nz> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Strawman. Substituting "car" for "computer", in your above sentence, we have: When you own a computer, it's your responsibility to read the owner's manual and learn how it works. He should have known that the button would format the hard drive. If you think this is a straw man, then please explain why is it a user error in the car's case but a design error in the computer's case? > "Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > When you own a car, it's your responsibility to read the owner's > manual and learn how it works. Sometimes cars do not behave as they are supposed to. Granted, I should realize that Chryslers are not to be trusted even if they are not supposed to self-lock. Lesson learned though. If I ever have occasion to get out of it with the engine running (even for a moment), I roll the window down. > I was inspired by this tale: > http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nz.general/msg/32ed70a1e4745df4 > > What's your worst experience? Haven't ever locked the keys *in* a car (unintentionally, that is), but I have locked my keys *out* once. About a decade ago I was getting stuff out of the cargo area of my Mustang. Shortly after closing the hatch, I discovered to my surprise that there was *just* enough space (with the hatch closed) on top of the taillight housings of a FOX Mustang for a set of keys. D'oh. Fortunately I was able to use a narrow stick under the lip of the hatch to slide them over to the license plate recess, where the gap was large enough to pull them out. No more than a couple minutes hassle, and that was mostly finding something I could use to slide the keys out without damaging either the paint or the hard-to-replace taillights... Signature~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) > I was inspired by this tale: > http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nz.general/msg/32ed70a1e4745df4 > > What's your worst experience? They all suck, but I was on a roll perhaps 10 years ago. I swear I locked them in my Vette 3 times in about 3 months. I got so good at getting them out by the 3rd time, I wondered why I locked my car in the first place. Twice it happened that they fell out of my pocket (turn the car off, stick the keys in the pants pocket, screw around trying to get something out of the back hatch, and they fall out). Anyone with a Vette understands with the way the seats are designed, crap falls out of your pockets constantly.... You'd think I would have applied that to keys as well. The other time I was doing some maintenance on the car and accidentally left them in there. Other than that, I'm good for the last 10 years. >>I was inspired by this tale: >> http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nz.general/msg/32ed70a1e4745df4 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Other than that, I'm good for the last 10 years. Only time I remember ever doing it, I had just started my new job. I was using someone else's (who'd left the company) company car while waiting for mine to be delivered. I had just picked it up and it was a sweltering hot day, and also the interior was filthy. I stopped at an auto parts store and bought some shop towels, leather cleaner, etc. and started dunging it out in the parking lot, with the engine running to keep the A/C on as it would have been unbearable without it. After finishing the driver's side, I closed the doors and walked around to the other side. You guessed it, I must have inadvertantly bumped the power lock button... had to wait an hour and a half (in 90 degree heat) for a locksmith to show up, and the a-hole charged me $50 more than his dispatcher had quoted over the phone. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> What's your worst experience? > >They all suck, but I was on a roll perhaps 10 years ago. I swear I >locked them in my Vette 3 times in about 3 months. I got so good at >getting them out by the 3rd time, I wondered why I locked my car in >the first place. People like you must be the reason that the current generation of Corvettes don't use keys and refuse to lock if you leave your transponder fob in the car when you close the door. :) >Twice it happened that they fell out of my pocket (turn the car off, >stick the keys in the pants pocket, screw around trying to get >something out of the back hatch, and they fall out). Anyone with a >Vette understands with the way the seats are designed, crap falls out >of your pockets constantly.... It has never happened to me... SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > "Larry Bud" <larrybud2...@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Corvettes don't use keys and refuse to lock if you leave your > transponder fob in the car when you close the door. :) I would have been a good test case, that's for sure. Hasn't happened in quite some time though! > >Twice it happened that they fell out of my pocket (turn the car off, > >stick the keys in the pants pocket, screw around trying to get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It has never happened to me... Stuff doesn't fall out of your pockets? Your newer seats must be shaped differently. In my '86, the buckets really tilt back. Coins CONSTANTLY fall out. So much so I never have coins when I sit down. "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >> >something out of the back hatch, and they fall out). Anyone with a >> >Vette understands with the way the seats are designed, crap falls out [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >shaped differently. In my '86, the buckets really tilt back. Coins >CONSTANTLY fall out. Not for me. I guess Chevy learned some things in 20 years. ;) SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > "Larry Bud" <larrybud2...@yahoo.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > I'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! I would have figured that you have no problem with coins due to using the credit/debit card for your purchases. ;) "MLOM" <grvan@netzero.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >I would have figured that you have no problem with coins due to using >the credit/debit card for your purchases. ;) The self-service car wash doesn't take credit cards. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > "MLOM" <g...@netzero.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > I'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! Including the bill changer IIRC. A $5 note should be plenty to keep the Vette looking sharp, right? ;) "MLOM" <grvan@netzero.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >> >I would have figured that you have no problem with coins due to using >> >the credit/debit card for your purchases. ;) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Including the bill changer IIRC. A $5 note should be plenty to keep >the Vette looking sharp, right? ;) The self-service car wash is really only good for washing off a bit of road dust and bird poop. To make the car look sharp you need a REAL car wash where someone washes it with sheepskin wash mitts and dries it with chamois and an air hose. :) SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > "MLOM" <grvan@netzero.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > car wash where someone washes it with sheepskin wash mitts and dries > it with chamois and an air hose. :) That's good to hear - I just thought I was always too lazy to get it thoroughly washed in those self-serve washes. "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> said in rec.autos.driving: >> The self-service car wash is really only good for washing off a bit of >> road dust and bird poop. To make the car look sharp you need a REAL [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >That's good to hear - I just thought I was always too lazy to get it >thoroughly washed in those self-serve washes. Well, the ones I've been to have signs posted that say "no hand washing in bays." Thus, if you follow the rules, it is impossible to get a car really clean in a self-service bay. SignatureI'm a wreckless driver and damn proud of it! > "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > washing in bays." Thus, if you follow the rules, it is impossible to > get a car really clean in a self-service bay. When I would use them, the one I would go to had 'no drying in the bays' or something like that. I would just go there when it was really slow and most of the bays were open. I dried my car in the bay and nobody ever said a word to me. When I had to go at busy times I just pulled out of the bay and dried the car. I washed the car with the high pressure soap setting and then do hand washing with a bucket. (even would have old washer fluid jugs filled with water in the trunk to use) then stick some more quarters in and do a good rinse. Thankfully I don't need to go to such places any longer. >>"Fred G. Mackey" <nospam@dont.spam> said in rec.autos.driving: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I would just go there when it was really slow and most of the bays were > open. I dried my car in the bay and nobody ever said a word to me. They wouldn't have a problem with that since you aren't preventing other customers from using the service. > When I > had to go at busy times I just pulled out of the bay and dried the car. > > I washed the car with the high pressure soap setting and then do hand > washing with a bucket. (even would have old washer fluid jugs filled with > water in the trunk to use) If they saw you do that, they would say something as you're not pumping quarters into it while you're doing the hand-wash. > then stick some more quarters in and do a good > rinse. > > Thankfully I don't need to go to such places any longer. >> I washed the car with the high pressure soap setting and then do hand >> washing with a bucket. (even would have old washer fluid jugs filled with >> water in the trunk to use) > > If they saw you do that, they would say something as you're not pumping > quarters into it while you're doing the hand-wash. Nope. Never a peep, even when it was crowded. The fact I ended up paying for multiple cycles and was still done before most people probably was part of it. >>>I washed the car with the high pressure soap setting and then do hand >>>washing with a bucket. (even would have old washer fluid jugs filled with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for multiple cycles and was still done before most people probably was > part of it. I find that somewhat surprising unless they just didn't see you doing it - quite possible if you're as quick as you say. Many are not monitored at all, and others which are attached to other businesses (the one I currently use is part of an oil-change shop) probably wouldn't notice. I have seen signs in some of them which say "No buckets!" They would probably insist you use their brush if they saw you. Of course, using the brush is probably not all that good of an idea since it is most likely covered in dirt and grime from other customers so you're just rubbing dirt into your car. I only use it after cleaning it with the high-pressure hose. > I find that somewhat surprising unless they just didn't see you doing it > - quite possible if you're as quick as you say. Many are not monitored > at all, and others which are attached to other businesses (the one I > currently use is part of an oil-change shop) probably wouldn't notice. The ones I went to, durring the crowded times usually had one guy around to keep the change machine filled. There was no other attached business. One might have been owned by the same people who had the used car lot next door. > They would probably insist you use their brush if they saw you. Of > course, using the brush is probably not all that good of an idea since > it is most likely covered in dirt and grime from other customers so > you're just rubbing dirt into your car. I only use it after cleaning it > with the high-pressure hose. I only used it on the car once when I was being real lazy after cleaning it. I would use it for the wheels nearly everytime (cleaning before and after) |
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