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NJ gov Corzine breaks leg in car crash - No seat belt??

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 13 Apr 2007 02:44 GMT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18081876/

(snip)

The governor does not usually wear a seat belt, the law enforcement
official said, but it is unknown whether he was wearing one at the time
of the crash.

(snip)

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And why doesn't he usually wear a seat belt?.  I checked the NJ law and
it says rear seat passengers ( which i assume Corzine usually is) don't
have to buckle up but i think he should anyway. Taxpayers are now gonna
have to pay for his busted leg.
Dave Head - 13 Apr 2007 03:38 GMT
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18081876/
>
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>it says rear seat passengers ( which i assume Corzine usually is) don't
>have to buckle up but i think he should anyway.

I'm sure he will too...

>Taxpayers are now gonna have to pay for his busted leg.

Naw, I'm sure the job comes with health insurnce.  The insurance co. will pay.

DPH
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 13 Apr 2007 04:23 GMT
>> Taxpayers are now gonna have to pay for his busted leg.
>
> Naw, I'm sure the job comes with health insurnce.  The insurance co. will pay.
>
> DPH

Many govt workers are covered by govt health insurance but even if
corzine is covered privately, the money will eventually come from the
premiums other subscribers pay in and they are taxpayers just like all
of us.

Wonder why NJ says rear seat passengers don't have to buckle up.
Granted the rear is safer than the front, but it's still plenty
dangerous if you start bouncing around as in a rollover.
gerry - 13 Apr 2007 04:58 GMT
On Apr 12, 11:23 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> Taxpayers are now gonna have to pay for his busted leg.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Granted the rear is safer than the front, but it's still plenty
> dangerous if you start bouncing around as in a rollover.

I doubt all of the people on this website are taxpayers, maybe their
parents are.  The news video seems to show bad impact damage to the
rear driver's side door, a sign that the vehicle may slammed into a
hard object, like a tree, when it went out of control.  The Governor
was on his way to meet Imus and the Rutgers basketball team when his
car was cut off.  How the red car that initiated the accident managed
to get away is a real puzzler.  Hopefully, unlike the mysterious white
car in the Princess Di accident, the NJ State troopers will locate the
driver of the red car.

This accident is an example of the real world intruding on the world
of tabloid journalism and smooth talking hypocrites big game hunting
celebrities.  Al Sharpton is still judging white people, even after
his actions in the Tawana Brawley and Duke lacrosse player fiascos.
Governor Corzine is facing multiple surgeries and months of painful
physical rehab all because of a stupid, mean-spirited and insulting
comment by Imus, a person who has made a career of being insulting.

CBS, which fired Dan Rather for telling the truth about Bush's Air
Force reserve duty, now fires Imus because he is crude and insulting
(what else is new).  And Governor Corzine pays a high price for Imus'
vulgar commentary.  Any news that does not involve the disaster in
Iraq and the slow meltdown of the US real estate market, accompanied
by gas back to almost $3 a gallon, is good news for CBS.

Imus is now doing the equivalent of a celebrity perp walk before
moving on to another show in a few months.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 13 Apr 2007 16:17 GMT
> This accident is an example of the real world intruding on the world
> of tabloid journalism and smooth talking hypocrites big game hunting
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> physical rehab all because of a stupid, mean-spirited and insulting
> comment by Imus, a person who has made a career of being insulting.

Oh come on now.  I realize corzine was on his way to meet Imus, but to
blame this crash on imus is crazy. And i hate imus.
Matthew T. Russotto - 14 Apr 2007 02:26 GMT
>This accident is an example of the real world intruding on the world
>of tabloid journalism and smooth talking hypocrites big game hunting
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>physical rehab all because of a stupid, mean-spirited and insulting
>comment by Imus, a person who has made a career of being insulting.

That's a lot of crap.  Neither Imus nor Sharpton bears any
responsibility for the governor's injuries.

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MaryL - 14 Apr 2007 12:19 GMT
> Governor Corzine is facing multiple surgeries and months of painful
> physical rehab all because of a stupid, mean-spirited and insulting
> comment by Imus, a person who has made a career of being insulting.

That's ridiculous.  Governor Corzine was seriously injured because of
reckless driving by the driver of the red pickup truck (if news reports are
accurate) and probably because he did not wear a seat belt (in clear
violation of a New Jersey law that he actually had promoted).  This reminds
me of the Princess Diana crash, although it did not end as tragically.  In
each case, they were not wearing seat belts and were probably thrown around
in a way that caused massive injuries that might have been prevented or at
least reduced in severity.

MaryL
KLM - 13 Apr 2007 06:01 GMT
He was on his way to mediate the meeting between Imus-Fungus
and Vivian and her team. I knew Vivian Stringer for 20+ years.

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18081876/
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> have to buckle up but i think he should anyway. Taxpayers are now gonna
> have to pay for his busted leg.
223rem - 13 Apr 2007 09:51 GMT
> He was on his way to mediate the meeting between Imus-Fungus
> and Vivian and her team. I knew Vivian Stringer for 20+ years.

He got injured for such a noble cause! LOL
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 13 Apr 2007 16:18 GMT
> He was on his way to mediate the meeting between Imus-Fungus
> and Vivian and her team. I knew Vivian Stringer for 20+ years.

I know that and so what?
KLM - 15 Apr 2007 07:03 GMT
> > He was on his way to mediate the meeting between Imus-Fungus
> > and Vivian and her team. I knew Vivian Stringer for 20+ years.
>
> I know that and so what?

He wouldnt have been on that road at that time except for the
meeting.

Strange how one bad thing leads to another.
MaryL - 13 Apr 2007 10:31 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18081876/
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> to buckle up but i think he should anyway. Taxpayers are now gonna have to
> pay for his busted leg.

His injuries were apparently much more serious than earlier reports
indicated.  This report says a breathing tube was inserted, which will
remain for "days to weeks."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/13/corzine.crash.ap/index.html

The fact that he was so badly injured when others weren't made me suspicious
that he wasn't wearing a seat belt, although that hasn't been confirmed.

(On a *personal* side note:  My parents were injured a number of years ago,
and one of the doctors said they would not have survived without their seat
belts.  The original police report said they were not wearing seat belts.
However, they *always* wore seat belts, and my mother even had a bruise from
the belt,  When I questioned it, they re-checked and found that paramedics
had cut the belts to remove my parents from the accident.  A drunk driver
had crossed over into their lane and slammed head-on into them.  He wasn't
even injured.  Police said he was driving a large "tank-like" truck.)

MaryL
Rob - 13 Apr 2007 17:20 GMT
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:44:19 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are On Fri,
13 Apr 2007 01:44:19 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>
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>
>(snip)

Oh I just love this. A news conference just said it did not appear he
was wearing his seat belt. I get pulled over and ticketed if I do not
wear a seat belt. Yet here you have the person that signs in the laws
of a state not wearing his seat belt. His driver was a state trooper
of all things. Talk about turning a blind eye.

From now on, I'd love to see everyone in New Jersey that gets a seat
belt ticket take it to court and tell the judge " Well the Governor
thought it was OK not to wear one". To add insult to injury they will
probably use this for a new "see what happens when you don't wear a
seatbelt campaign". And everyone will quickly forget what a hypocrite
he is, as are so many of our leaders.

Brings new meaning to "do as I say, not as I do".

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DYM - 14 Apr 2007 01:44 GMT
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:44:19 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are On Fri,
> 13 Apr 2007 01:44:19 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Brings new meaning to "do as I say, not as I do".

I don't know. He at least serves as a warning, if not a sining example.
He is in for some major pain with his injuries.

Doug
Jim Yanik - 14 Apr 2007 03:59 GMT
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:44:19 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are On Fri,
>> 13 Apr 2007 01:44:19 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
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>
> Doug

The news said he has a broken tibia,several broken ribs,broken
collarbone(s?)  He's gonna be in a cast for quite a while.

A hard lesson to learn.

The news PC-graphic showed they punched thru a guardrail,I wonder if that
is accurate? (or maybe the SUV just went -over- the rail)

the news also said that he "usually wears his seatbelt".
yeah,r_i_g_h_t,sure,uh-huh.Yup.

Myself,after a coworker smashed his head into his windshield after being
hit by another car,that is when I began wearing the belt ALL the time.

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Matthew T. Russotto - 14 Apr 2007 16:20 GMT
>The news PC-graphic showed they punched thru a guardrail,I wonder if that
>is accurate? (or maybe the SUV just went -over- the rail)

A news photo taken shows the SUV against a damaged guardrail; it
appears it neither went through nor over.
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Sancho Panza - 15 Apr 2007 03:47 GMT
> the news also said that he "usually wears his seatbelt".
> yeah,r_i_g_h_t,sure,uh-huh.Yup.

Maybe when he's not supine.
Scott en Aztlán - 15 Apr 2007 16:24 GMT
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said in
rec.autos.driving:

>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18081876/
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>official said, but it is unknown whether he was wearing one at the time
>of the crash.

That's not the most bizarre part of this story. Apparently the guy who
caused the governor's oh-so-safe SUV to crash didn't know he had been
involved in a collision. The description given in the story is
PRECISELY the way Sloth Kills: Mr. Magoo does something stupid,
causing other vehicles to take evasive action and crash; Mr. Magoo,
oblivious and unscathed, drives off into the sunset, and the police
end up pinning the blame on "speed" or lack of a seatbelt or some
other equally ridiculous cause.

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/northeast/view.bg?articleid=194906

Police find driver in crash involving N.J. Gov. Corzine, but charges
not expected
By Associated Press
Sunday, April 15, 2007 - Updated: 08:46 AM EST

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J - State Police declined to charge the 20-year-old
driver of a pickup truck for leaving the scene of a crash that
critically injured Gov. Jon Corzine because the man said he was trying
to make room for the governor’s motorcade.

   The pickup truck driver, who is blamed for Thursday night’s wreck,
told investigators he did not stop because he did not realize he was
involved. The man’s name was not released by state police because he
was not charged.
   "He hadn’t any inkling that he contributed to it," New Jersey
State Police Capt. Al Della Fave said. "That alleviates him of the
responsibility of remaining at the accident scene. There’s nothing he
did here criminally. He did what he felt was the best he could."

   Della Fave said the driver saw Corzine’s motorcade with its
flashing lights traveling in the left lane, and edged his pickup truck
further to the right to give the official vehicles a wide berth.
   In so doing, the red pickup’s right wheels went onto the grassy
highway shoulder, alarming the driver. He looked up to see a highway
mile marker sign directly in front of him, and steered hard to the
left to avoid hitting it.
   That brought the red pickup back onto the roadway and into the
path of a white pickup truck, which also swerved to the left to avoid
the red truck. The white vehicle struck Corzine’s sport utility
vehicle, sending it careening into a guard rail.
   The driver of the red truck was found Friday night at an Atlantic
City casino where he works and interviewed by police. He was found
using information from local police and leads generated from parkway
surveillance cameras and toll information, police said.
   The driver could not be located Saturday night at the casino where
he works.

   The 60-year-old governor, who was apparently not wearing his seat
belt in the front passenger’s seat, broke his leg, 12 ribs, his
breastbone and suffered a broken collarbone. He also had a head
laceration and a minor fracture on a lower vertebra.
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Brent P - 15 Apr 2007 18:32 GMT
> That's not the most bizarre part of this story. Apparently the guy who
> caused the governor's oh-so-safe SUV to crash didn't know he had been
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> end up pinning the blame on "speed" or lack of a seatbelt or some
> other equally ridiculous cause.

And the only reason Mr. Magoo was found, or even believed to have existed
is because the governor was the ultimate victim. And that if NJ is
anything like IL, the vehicle the NJ governor was in was driven by a
state trooper.

If it were ordinary folks, the driver of the white pickup would have been
given a ticket for improper lane usage with optional tickets of speeding
for both the SUV driver and the white pick up driver.

Notice also how Mr. Magoo is not being charged with anything. Yet, in the
other thread, the bicyclist is being charged. This Mr. Magoo nearly kills
a governor and doesn't face charges, what does a Mr. Magoo driver have to
cause to get charged?
Sancho Panza - 16 Apr 2007 01:55 GMT
>> That's not the most bizarre part of this story. Apparently the guy who
>> caused the governor's oh-so-safe SUV to crash didn't know he had been
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> a governor and doesn't face charges, what does a Mr. Magoo driver have to
> cause to get charged?

Not be a special needs person.
Brent P - 16 Apr 2007 02:20 GMT
>>> That's not the most bizarre part of this story. Apparently the guy who
>>> caused the governor's oh-so-safe SUV to crash didn't know he had been
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Not be a special needs person.

What is that supposed to mean? Every MFFY driver out there thinks their
need is special. If you meant that they have some sort of physical or
mental impairment that keeps them executing the task of driving well,
then why are they driving in the first place?
 
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