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Maine/New Hampshire Drivers - who taught them lane discipline???

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Ashton Crusher - 19 Aug 2007 06:24 GMT
Just came back from a visit to the Maine/New Hampshire area and drove
over several routes, both Interstate and local.  

I was amazed at how courteous they were and how they did NOT engage in
left lane blocking !!  Almost without exception they used the left
lane to pass slower traffic and then got back in the right lane.  How
can we spread this to the rest of the country??  Saw no tailgating
either or any of the other rude behavior so typical of most of the
freeways in the southwest.

Oh, here's a clue.... there were VERY few "immigrants" up there.  Is
there a relationship between their driving and the lack of illegal's
and immigrants- I don't know - but I almost never saw anyone driving
but old fashioned white people.  In fact, even in the fast food
restaurants the staff was almost entirely devoid of the barely
literate "immigrants" that infest the southwest.  It was mostly just
white  high school kids flipping the burgers.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 19 Aug 2007 20:12 GMT
>Just came back from a visit to the Maine/New Hampshire area and drove
>over several routes, both Interstate and local.  
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>literate "immigrants" that infest the southwest.  It was mostly just
>white  high school kids flipping the burgers.

The further you get from the equator, the greater the intelligence
quotient is for the "average" individual.

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necromancer - 20 Aug 2007 05:28 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> >Just came back from a visit to the Maine/New Hampshire area and drove
> >over several routes, both Interstate and local.  
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> The further you get from the equator, the greater the intelligence
> quotient is for the "average" individual.

You sure about that? Remember, SADDAM is from Colorado, and that's
pretty far north, IIRC...

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 21 Aug 2007 01:34 GMT
> Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
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>> The further you get from the equator, the greater the intelligence
>> quotient is for the "average" individual.
>
>You sure about that? Remember, SADDAM is from Colorado, and that's
>pretty far north, IIRC...

Nah, just demonstrating my usual sarcasm. :-)

Of course, SADDAM could be an immigrant from South America. :-)

That "saying" came from a girlfriend's father from my high school
days. We were sitting around shooting the breeze about something when
he made that statement (he's from Jersey.)

My immediate response was to ask him why he had lived in the south for
over half his life, and why he married a southerner. :-)

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necromancer - 21 Aug 2007 05:25 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> <snip>
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> Nah, just demonstrating my usual sarcasm. :-)

Gotchya.. ;)

> Of course, SADDAM could be an immigrant from South America. :-)

Wow. A republican, homosexual, jewish, immigrant from Mexico. S&DDAM
really gets around, doesn't it.  ;-)

> That "saying" came from a girlfriend's father from my high school
> days. We were sitting around shooting the breeze about something when
> he made that statement (he's from Jersey.)

He's from Jioseee, eh? Oh, well, nobody's perfect. :-)

> My immediate response was to ask him why he had lived in the south for
> over half his life, and why he married a southerner. :-)

Something I've oft wondered (speaking as the son of ex-Nooooo Yawkahs).
Though getting away from the winters comes to mind. That and about 100
years or so of rampant liberalism driving many companies and jobs
south....

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 22 Aug 2007 02:03 GMT
> Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
>> > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
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>Wow. A republican, homosexual, jewish, immigrant from Mexico. S&DDAM
>really gets around, doesn't it.  ;-)

I guess he's trying to follow in his mother's knee-tracks.

>> My immediate response was to ask him why he had lived in the south for
>> over half his life, and why he married a southerner. :-)
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>years or so of rampant liberalism driving many companies and jobs
>south....

Oddly enough, I've known a lot more people from the north who came
south, than vice-versa.

Can't say as I blame them, considering the winters, but then again our
summers aren't so cool. :-)

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necromancer - 22 Aug 2007 03:39 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> Oddly enough, I've known a lot more people from the north who came
> south, than vice-versa.

I think the jobs thing has a lot to do with it as companies have moved
south where the employment laws and the union situation are more
favorable. Note that alot of "foreign," car manufacturers have located
assembly and/or parts operations down here in the last decade or so.

> Can't say as I blame them, considering the winters, but then again our
> summers aren't so cool. :-)

Its a trade off. Last month when I was in NY for a few days, the
afternoon high was about 85 at the most. When I took off on the AM of
the 13th, it was already approaching 90 (with attendant FL humidity)
when I got to the airport at 5:30AM.

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DanKMTB@gmail.com - 20 Aug 2007 16:49 GMT
> Just came back from a visit to the Maine/New Hampshire area and drove
> over several routes, both Interstate and local.
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> literate "immigrants" that infest the southwest.  It was mostly just
> white  high school kids flipping the burgers.

Interesting observation.  I live in NH & work in MA, and find that
most do not KRETP.  I believe that part of the reason is the way it's
taught in the handbook & drivers ed.
>From the NH drivers manual:  ""Drive in the lane that has the
smoothest flow of traffic. Smooth driving allows you to keep more
distance between yourself and other drivers. It also helps save you
money on gas.  If there are three or more lanes going in one
direction, the middle lane or lanes are usually the smoothest. The
left lane is for drivers who want to go faster, pass or turn left. The
right lane is used by drivers who go slower or who are entering or
turning off the road."

This weekend 95 was a mess with the airshow, and for quite a bit of
the time the fastest traffic was in the right lane.  I assume it's
partially because the left lane was overfilled with people who "wanted
to go faster" than the 35-55mph traffic, and the right lane was
basically empty since noone wanted "to go slower".  I'll admit this
weekends observations are based on very little highway driving, I did
what I could to stay on the backroads and avoid airshow traffic.
John B. - 20 Aug 2007 19:11 GMT
> > Just came back from a visit to the Maine/New Hampshire area and drove
> > over several routes, both Interstate and local.
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> weekends observations are based on very little highway driving, I did
> what I could to stay on the backroads and avoid airshow traffic.

I live in NH but am originally from Mass.  Huge difference even just between
these two states.  I drive more aggresively in Mass. than I do in NH mainly
because you have to.  You'll get run right over down there if you don't.
But even here in NH, there are some that stick to the left lane and won't
yield even with no cars around.  And guess what?  Most of the time they're
from Mass.!

As far as the immigrant thing goes, the O.P couldn't have driven through
Manchester or Nashua.  He almost would've felt right at home - heh.  But up
my way further north, there's more of a mix and even then it's not many.
(Actually mostly Asians.)  The road-ragers I've come across up here are
mainly local women - ha!

John B.
Ashton Crusher - 21 Aug 2007 06:15 GMT
>> Just came back from a visit to the Maine/New Hampshire area and drove
>> over several routes, both Interstate and local.
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>weekends observations are based on very little highway driving, I did
>what I could to stay on the backroads and avoid airshow traffic.

That's interesting.  My original comments were for traffic that was
going at normal speeds.  There was a stretch of traffic on the
Saturday  I was there where the road was packed for all 3 to 5 lanes
and I made the best headway by staying in the far right lane. Everyone
seem to have a bike or a kayak.
DanKMTB@gmail.com - 21 Aug 2007 13:42 GMT
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:49:55 -0000, "DanK...@gmail.com"
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I was generally referring to normal speed traffic as well, but felt
the air show traffic was an example of an the behavior I mentioned to
an extreme.  I find especially during rush hour, all 4 lanes get
filled and people have no problem pacing 3rd lane traffic in the 4th
lane for miles and miles at or slightly under the posted SL.
Admittedly, the farther you go from the MA border or Manchester, the
less this stuff happens.
Don't discount the bike or kayak as marking a tourist on the
weekends.  I have a bike or kayak with me most days, and live in NH.
Then again, I tend to know when traffic will be grid locked with
tourists, and take the back roads those days.
 
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