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Re: Could you avoid your last accident?

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psych0hans - 03 Sep 2007 00:59 GMT
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Question: Could you avoid your last accident?
   
- No, absolutely nothing depended on me really
- Yes, I could yield, slow down, look around, accelerate, dodge, etc.
- I did not have any accident yet
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I've had two accidents, both because I was driving way too fast on a wet
road. So yes, I can safely say that they could have been avoided
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DYM - 03 Sep 2007 18:13 GMT
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> wet road. So yes, I can safely say that they could have been avoided
> runaround

Yes, I know this a troll post, from a web site that want you to blame
yourself for your crashes.

My last 'accident' was a broken mirror on a para-transit bus I was
driving. I was in my lane (right side wheels on the white line actually)
when a semi encrouched less than a foot over the double yellow, enough to
take out my side mirror.

Could I have avoided it, yes. I could have swerved and put the tires in
the ditch thus flipping the bus and causing a greater disaster. I also
had no choice in where and when (or what) I was driving as that is
dictated by my employer.

I was not charged with the accident at the safety board as one of my
clients had a escourt who was a reliable witness.

The web site wants you to think that ALL collisions are avoidable. This
is a dangerous falicy. There are just some things that cannot be avoided,
and you had better be prepared to deal with them. This whistling in the
dark thinking, "Oh I'm a great driver and I can aviod anything" attitude
will get you killed.

Doug
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 03 Sep 2007 20:38 GMT
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Could you have driven in such a manner as to not be pacing a semi?

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gpsman - 03 Sep 2007 20:57 GMT
On Sep 3, 2:38 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
> I was in my lane (right side wheels on the white line actually)
> >when a semi encrouched less than a foot over the double yellow, enough to
> >take out my side mirror.
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> Could you have driven in such a manner as to not be pacing a semi?

Could you have thunken in a manner to comprehend encroaching over a
double yellow" indicates the vehicles were traveling in opposite
directions...?

I'd guess not.
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DYM - 03 Sep 2007 23:37 GMT
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> Could you have driven in such a manner as to not be pacing a semi?

It was from the opposite direction on a 2 lane road, PA Rt 152 between
New Galena Rd & Upper Stump Rd.

Doug
N8N - 03 Sep 2007 21:02 GMT
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> Yes, I know this a troll post, from a web site that want you to blame
> yourself for your crashes.

Seriously.  But I can honestly answer "no, there is nothing I could
have done" for the last couple.  Last one was leaving a parking lot at
a strip mall, some kid apparently just didn't see the bright red GTI
in front of him and plowed into the back of it.  No damage so I told
him to get the hell out of there.  Even if I had seen him coming up
behind me (I didn't,) I couldn't have gotten out of his way because I
would have had to pull out into cross traffic.  Before that I was
sitting still on I-66 and again some guy not paying attention ran into
the back of my Scirocco.  I had nowhere to go there either; I saw him
coming but there were cars on both sides of me.  That takes us back
about 10 years or so.

nate
Studemania - 04 Sep 2007 06:53 GMT
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Come now, Nate. You certainly could have taken the bus or a cab or
hidden in the celler.
Scott in SoCal - 04 Sep 2007 14:40 GMT
Studemania <midlant@earthlink.net> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Come now, Nate. You certainly could have taken the bus or a cab or
>hidden in the celler.

Which school did you attend to learn your precognition?
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gpsman - 03 Sep 2007 21:53 GMT
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> The web site wants you to think that ALL collisions are avoidable.

They pretty much are... by one participant or another.

But I'd guess the website suggests that one contemplate what they
might have done differently to avoid a crash.

Crashes don't just happen instantaneously, they develop via a series
of events that a driver can miss detecting, or ignore, which
ultimately end in a crash.

You might have avoided the truck that encroached upon your ROW if you
had noticed the driver was having trouble staying in his lane 10
seconds earlier.  Not saying he did, but -if- he did.

> This
> is a dangerous falicy.

I don't know what might be "dangerous" about it.

> There are just some things that cannot be avoided,

Yes, of course.  But many if not most things are easily avoidable by
paying attention and practicing driving defensively.

> and you had better be prepared to deal with them. This whistling in the
> dark thinking, "Oh I'm a great driver and I can aviod anything" attitude
> will get you killed.

Well, it could, but most often it doesn't.

Personally, I'm more concerned with being crippled than killed.
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DYM - 03 Sep 2007 23:51 GMT
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> had noticed the driver was having trouble staying in his lane 10
> seconds earlier.  Not saying he did, but -if- he did.
Even if he had done something 10 seconds earlier, all I could have done
was begine braking, I would still be in the same position on the road,
just going slower. (And for the record as soon as I saw him com over the
line, I was on the brake.) I did see a choice to make, stay in my lane
and get hit on the side, or put it in the ditch and probably roll the
bus. I'm thinking the semi got spoked by something and just for a second
went on instinct instead of training.

I have an aquaintqnce who landed herself in the hospital and totaled her
car. Why? Because she swerved to avoid hitting a dog. Instead, she caught
her wheels in the ditch, over-corrected, went back across the road and
collided with a UPS truck. If she had held her couse and hit the dog, she
would have been in much better shape. Now, she's on the hook for the
wreck, and unable to work.

If you are going to change couse to avoid and accident, make damn sure
you don't cause a bigger one! That's my point.

Doug

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Rothart - 10 Sep 2007 23:59 GMT
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Question: Could you avoid your last accident?
   
- No, absolutely nothing depended on me really
- Yes, I could yield, slow down, look around, accelerate, dodge, etc.
- I did not have any accident yet
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I voted NO on this one. The last and only real accident I got into was
whe I hit a deer at 80mph. In retrospect, I look back on the incident
and actually avoided a much bigger wreck that could've done a lot more
damage to not only myself but others that were driving in traffic that
day.

Picture this; it's 5:00 am and your running late for work. You have 30+
miles to go and traffic is building on a 4 lane freeway. You switch
lanes to pass another motorist and you notice something moving across
the lanes on the opposite side and before you know it, a 150lb. buck
jumps and lands dead center in front of you. What do you do? Do what I
did, drive right through the bastard and try to calmly steer your car
off into the center divide. That thing flung across traffic an landed
perfectly on the shoulder and died. Luckily no one else hit it while it
was catapolting through the air.

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