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The new 90: 100-mph speeders plague police on I-5

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gpsman - 05 Nov 2007 17:07 GMT
The new 90: 100-mph speeders plague police on I-5
By Andrea Damewood The Register-Guard
http://www.registerguard.com
Published: Wednesday, October 24, 2007

The guy on the motorcycle thought he was in for a good race.

He'd been cruising at about 100 mph on Belt Line Road for a few miles,
and stopped in front of a 2002 Camaro at a red light at Roosevelt
Boulevard. After checking for cops, he revved his engines and sped
off, hoping the Camaro would give chase.

It did.

But inside the unmarked sports car was state police Senior Trooper
Jamin Van Meter, whose radar clocked him going 110 mph.

Matching the man's speed to catch him was a bit of an adrenaline rush,
Van Meter said, and it's a feeling that's become more common over the
past decade. Police say 100 mph has become the new 90.

Officers say they've seen speeds in the area go up by about 15 mph in
the past 15 years.

"I've had days when I've cited four people going over 100 mph," said
Van Meter, an eight-year veteran with the state police. "Everybody
who's driven I-5 has definitely had their doors blown off by somebody
going really fast."

Last year, despite stiffer penalties, the number of tickets handed to
people who hit triple-digit speeds went up by 16 percent over the
previous year, according to state police enforcement statistics.

In 2006, 537 drivers were caught topping 100 mph, up from 464 in 2005,
police said. The most common culprits were males between ages 15 and
24.

"It looks like they're just screaming," Van Meter said. "Nowadays,
with how cars are constructed, people just go faster."

The stretch of I-5 between Eugene and Cottage Grove is one of the most
common areas statewide for lead-footed drivers to go full throttle,
police said.

South of Eugene, commuter traffic thins, and speeders have room to
fly, Van Meter said.

"You can sit there on a weekend, and you'll get tons of 90s and at
least one over 100," he said. "It's been really productive as far as
catching speeders down there."

The fastest speeder Van Meter has clocked was a motorcyclist doing 128
just north of Creswell. Last week, he cited a driver going 101 mph
near Cottage Grove.

But it's not just super speeders who open it up on that segment of
highway. According to data collected from state Department of
Transportation speed monitors buried under the pavement, the average
speeds recorded there are the highest among the 14 speed monitors on
Oregon's interstate highways.

In the second week of August, the average speed was 72.6 mph - 7.6 mph
above the 65 mph speed limit - and the fastest drivers averaged 79.6
mph.

Though crash rates along I-5 between Eugene and Cottage Grove are not
on the rise, ODOT data show that in the past five years, speed was a
factor in about 65 percent of all accidents on the highway.

Speed increases the amount of time it takes to react to trouble ahead,
requires more time to stop and amplifies any mistakes drivers make,
Van Meter said.

Above 100 mph, the chances of dying in an accident also go up
exponentially, he said.

In an effort to curb climbing rates of super speeders, state lawmakers
passed a law slamming triple-digit speeders with fines of up to $1,103
and a license suspension of 30 to 90 days.

Though the law went into effect Jan. 1, 2006, the number of people who
have been caught going over 100 mph since that time has increased.

Only two or three state troopers from the Springfield offices are on
duty at any given time, said Lt. Mike Bloom, and traffic patrol takes
a backseat to emergency calls.

The only solution, he said, is to have enough police on the roads to
make speeders aware that they could be busted.

"The reality is, when (drivers) see a state policeman, they know
they're not going to see another one for 15 to 20 miles, if at all,"
Bloom said. "You can impose a stiff citation all you want, but if you
don't have any troopers, there's no deterrent. We can't legislate our
way into getting people to slow down."
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- gpsman
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 05 Nov 2007 18:00 GMT
gpsman <gpsman@driversmail.com> wrote in news:1194282478.303795.167910
@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> The only solution, he said, is to have enough police on the roads to
> make speeders aware that they could be busted.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> don't have any troopers, there's no deterrent. We can't legislate our
> way into getting people to slow down."

Like hell we can't legislate this problem.  If doing 20 or more mph over
the limit was a felony and carried an automatic prison sentence and
permanent loss of license, people wouldn't do it.
gpsman - 05 Nov 2007 18:59 GMT
On Nov 5, 1:00 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> gpsman <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote in news:1194282478.303795.167910
> @d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> the limit was a felony and carried an automatic prison sentence and
> permanent loss of license, people wouldn't do it.

Apparently you are now sailing the sea of idiocy where few dare to
venture; including the refutation of your perspective in your own
post.  But I have to give you a D-, on the rad curve, because you
managed to not write that refutation yourself.
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- gpsman
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 05 Nov 2007 23:48 GMT
>On Nov 5, 1:00 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>post.  But I have to give you a D-, on the rad curve, because you
>managed to not write that refutation yourself.

Aww, ain't that sweet. The two fruit cakes found in other, just in
time for the holidays!

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MLOM - 06 Nov 2007 00:14 GMT
On Nov 5, 5:48 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 5, 1:00 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
> ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> --

Let's drink to that, Hector! ;)
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 06 Nov 2007 01:32 GMT
>> >Apparently you are now sailing the sea of idiocy where few dare to
>> >venture; including the refutation of your perspective in your own
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>Let's drink to that, Hector! ;)

Always! Rum goes decent with fruitcake, right?

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necromancer - 06 Nov 2007 00:21 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):

> Aww, ain't that sweet. The two fruit cakes found in other, just in
> time for the holidays!

But, sadly, too late for Halloween which would ab an appropriate holiday
for those two.

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MLOM - 06 Nov 2007 00:24 GMT
On Nov 5, 6:21 pm, necromancer
>  Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Ref:http://tinyurl.com/qqaeq
> Message ID: 1143700563.098595.106...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

And about 5 months early for the equally-appropriate April Fools' Day.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 06 Nov 2007 01:31 GMT
>On Nov 5, 6:21 pm, necromancer
>>  Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>And about 5 months early for the equally-appropriate April Fools' Day.

Perhaps that's the gestation period for members of their species?

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necromancer - 05 Nov 2007 23:35 GMT
SFB spewed:

<< ECP removed >>

> Like hell we can't legislate this problem.  If doing 20 or more mph over
> the limit was a felony and carried an automatic prison sentence and
> permanent loss of license, people wouldn't do it.

Why 20 over? is there some reason why 15 over isn't a good enough
threshold?

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Imam Widdershins - 08 Nov 2007 21:44 GMT
The vile and infidel swine, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS,"
left this insult to all that is Righetous and Holy in rec.autos.driving:

> Like hell we can't legislate this problem.  If doing 20 or more mph over
> the limit was a felony and carried an automatic prison sentence and
> permanent loss of license, people wouldn't do it.

Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit?

Imam Widdershins
Alan Baker - 05 Nov 2007 18:28 GMT
<snip>

> Though crash rates along I-5 between Eugene and Cottage Grove are not
> on the rise, ODOT data show that in the past five years, speed was a
> factor in about 65 percent of all accidents on the highway.

<snip>

There. That's better.

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Scott in SoCal - 05 Nov 2007 19:00 GMT
><snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>There. That's better.

That's what it all boils down to. The REAL statistic, the only one
with any meaning (crash rates) relative to real-world safety, HAS NOT
GONE UP. The stat that HAS gone up is the totally contrived and
meaningless "speed-related crashes." No surprises there. Since speed
"is a factor" in EVERY crash, that figure should really be 100% - and
ignored as meaningless. Saying a car crash is "speed-related" is like
saying the crash is "wheel-related" because both of the cars involved
had wheels on them.

What's really interesting is how that number is only 65% - how was
speed NOT a factor in 35% of crashes? If both vehicles were sitting
still at the time of impact, HTF did they collide?

What's really happening is the "speed-related" stat is being
manipulated in order to create a sense of panic and build support for
even more stringent punishments (i.e. BIGGER FINE$) when speeders are
caught. That means more money for Mayor Daley and other government
entities.

Of course, GPSTroll knows this - Truckers speed as much as anyone, if
not more. Here in CA, the speed limit for Truckers is 55 MPH, but you
NEVER see them going that slowly (nor do you see them getting ticketed
for it - at least I don't). He's only posting this to troll. I guess
it worked, 'cuz here I am responding. :-/
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 05 Nov 2007 23:51 GMT
>He's only posting this to troll.

gpstard? trolling? Perish the thought!

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MLOM - 06 Nov 2007 01:42 GMT
On Nov 5, 5:51 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
> >He's only posting this to troll.
>
> gpstard? trolling? Perish the thought!
>
> --

Who'd-a believed it?

"You can't be serious!" --John McEnroe
gpsman - 06 Nov 2007 04:07 GMT
> >In article <1194282478.303795.167...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> with any meaning (crash rates) relative to real-world safety, HAS NOT
> GONE UP.

The injuries and fatalities that result from crashes are also real
statistics that relate to "real-world safety".

> The stat that HAS gone up is the totally contrived and
> meaningless "speed-related crashes." No surprises there. Since speed
> "is a factor" in EVERY crash, that figure should really be 100% - and
> ignored as meaningless. Saying a car crash is "speed-related" is like
> saying the crash is "wheel-related" because both of the cars involved
> had wheels on them.

While that is somewhat amusing it does make obvious the fact that you
have not completed the reading required to make informed comments
regarding your subject.*

> > What's really interesting is how that number is only 65% - how was
> speed NOT a factor in 35% of crashes? If both vehicles were sitting
> still at the time of impact, HTF did they collide?

You are now on the opposite side of your repeatedly posted opinion
that speed is in no way related to any crash, or the consequences
thereof.

> What's really happening is the "speed-related" stat is being
> manipulated in order to create a sense of panic and build support for
> even more stringent punishments (i.e. BIGGER FINE$) when speeders are
> caught. That means more money for Mayor Daley and other government
> entities.

So vote against it, where you have the opportunity, and let majority
rule as you have postulated it does on the highways as it relates to
velocity.

> Of course, GPSTroll knows this - Truckers speed as much as anyone, if
> not more.

And...?!

You have repeatedly forwarded your "fact" that slower drivers are
dangerous and that it is not speeders but in fact "sloths" who are in
compliance with the speed limits who kill.

Like Nate's drivers who are "perfectly safe" to operate at 90 in a 55
but become totally incompetent if they ever have to slightly reduce
their velocity against their will, you can't have it both ways.

> Here in CA, the speed limit for Truckers is 55 MPH, but you
> NEVER see them going that slowly

Never?!  How about going up or down either side of the Grapevine?  My
example is no more exaggerated than your "never", but I do agree that
many truck drivers often drive "in excess of the speed limit and/or
too fast for conditions".*

> (nor do you see them getting ticketed
> for it - at least I don't)

You can not hear the conversation between a truck driver and a CHP
officer as you drive by, so you seem to be forwarding the idea that
you've never seen a truck and a cop car stopped together on or near
any roadway, ever.

> He's only posting this to troll. I guess
> it worked, 'cuz here I am responding. :-/

If posting news articles that stimulate discussion (or a simulation
thereof) or argument qualifies as "trolling" I plead guilty, but
propose that despite the manipulation of the term in order to create a
sense of panic and build support for even more stringent punishments
that the fine remain constant.
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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 12:54 GMT
> > > What's really interesting is how that number is only 65% - how was
> > speed NOT a factor in 35% of crashes? If both vehicles were sitting
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that speed is in no way related to any crash, or the consequences
> thereof.

No, what he's doing is calling the bluff, and playing out the statists
view of "speed", using their "logic" to come to a conclusion.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 07 Nov 2007 01:47 GMT
>> That's what it all boils down to. The REAL statistic, the only one
>> with any meaning (crash rates) relative to real-world safety, HAS NOT
>> GONE UP.
>
>The injuries and fatalities that result from crashes are also real
>statistics that relate to "real-world safety".

Wow, just when I find myself believing your posts couldn't get any
dumber, you go an surprise me.

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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 12:55 GMT
> What's really interesting is how that number is only 65% - how was
> speed NOT a factor in 35% of crashes? If both vehicles were sitting
> still at the time of impact, HTF did they collide?

Because, if they said 100% then even the morons would catch on that
it's a manipulated and totally irrelevant stat.
N8N - 05 Nov 2007 18:53 GMT
<snip>

> But it's not just super speeders who open it up on that segment of
> highway. According to data collected from state Department of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> above the 65 mph speed limit - and the fastest drivers averaged 79.6
> mph.

Therefore a 75 or 80 MPH speed limit would not be unreasonable, unless
there's an unusual crash history.

> Though crash rates along I-5 between Eugene and Cottage Grove are not
> on the rise,

Yup, just as I thought.

> ODOT data show that in the past five years, speed was a
> factor in about 65 percent of all accidents on the highway.

Sure sounds like rectal data to me.

(shakes head)

obviously the author of this article is unfamiliar with the 85th
percentile, Solomon, Cirillo, the MUTCD, etc...

nate
Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 05 Nov 2007 20:45 GMT
[snip]

> "I've had days when I've cited four people going over 100 mph," said
> Van Meter, an eight-year veteran with the state police. "Everybody
> who's driven I-5 has definitely had their doors blown off by somebody
> going really fast."

Odds are that it was their right door.

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 05 Nov 2007 23:51 GMT
>[snip]
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Odds are that it was their right door.

LMAO. IAWTP.

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necromancer - 05 Nov 2007 23:39 GMT
gpsman:
> The guy on the motorcycle thought he was in for a good race.
>
> He'd been cruising at about 100 mph on Belt Line Road for a few miles,
> and stopped in front of a 2002 Camaro at a red light at Roosevelt
> Boulevard. After checking for cops, he revved his engines and sped
> off, hoping the Camaro would give chase.

Lesseeee: Idiot on motorcycle, triple digit speeds and challenging,
"high performance," cars to races. Sounds like a Darwin Award in the
making.

Though I do consider it to be poetic justice that the car he challenged
to a race was a police car. Especially since he lacked the situational
awareness to note that it was a cop when he pulled along side the car.
At the minimum, the moron on the motorcycle should have noted the
uniformed cop sitting in the vehicle.

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Studemania - 06 Nov 2007 05:29 GMT
> But inside the unmarked sports car was state police Senior Trooper
> Jamin Van Meter, whose radar clocked him going 110 mph.
> - gpsman

Ahhh, So where did the "Camero" go what the "Sports Car" came on the
scene?
N8N - 06 Nov 2007 13:47 GMT
> > But inside the unmarked sports car was state police Senior Trooper
> > Jamin Van Meter, whose radar clocked him going 110 mph.
> > - gpsman
>
> Ahhh, So where did the "Camero" go what the "Sports Car" came on the
> scene?

Uh, oh, I think you've just offended Ulf :)

nate
Scott in SoCal - 06 Nov 2007 15:04 GMT
>> > But inside the unmarked sports car was state police Senior Trooper
>> > Jamin Van Meter, whose radar clocked him going 110 mph.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Uh, oh, I think you've just offended Ulf :)

Ulf knows as well as anyone that the Camaro is a PONYcar, not a SPORTS
car.
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Scott in SoCal - 06 Nov 2007 14:59 GMT
>> But inside the unmarked sports car was state police Senior Trooper
>> Jamin Van Meter, whose radar clocked him going 110 mph.
>> - gpsman
>
>Ahhh, So where did the "Camero" go what the "Sports Car" came on the
>scene?

Typical clueless mainstream media: they think anything with 2 doors
and more than 150 horsepower is a "sports car."
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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 12:51 GMT
>> "You can sit there on a weekend, and you'll get tons of 90s and at
>> least one over 100," he said. "It's been really productive as far as
>> catching speeders down there."

An incredibly curious statement.  One generally attaches the word
"productive" as something that is a good thing.

Obviously the cops love this, as it's a revenue generator.
 
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