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BUSH, FIRES, GLOBAL WARMING, AND CAR SALES
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Laura Busch - 06 Nov 2007 04:28 GMT Nature has an amazing way to teach scumbags lessons. The recent fires in Southern California have "crimped a key market already impacted by the housing downturn" said Jim Lentz, Toyota's executive vice president of US sales.
The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the environmental health, causing global warming. And because of such severe upset in the climate, disasters like the fires in SoCal can have severe economic impact. This a beautiful example of "what goes around, comes around".
I definitely don't feel sorry for those auto makers for their slow sales. They and those a.sholes in the oil business are terrorists. They indirectly cause the destructive large-scale disasters by insisting on making profits at the expense of the survival of the planet we live on.
So, how does Bush got any to do with all this? A lot. Bush is the a.shole who abuses his power and side with the polluting industry to damage the environment for more profits to his friends. In fact, it's his evil friends who installed him in the White House in the first place.
Why any one would need to buy a new car, especially a super-ugly-vehicle (SUV) every year? Why would any decent human being would jump on an SUV just to feel 'superior' over others on the road? Only scumbags dumbshit terrorists like those who support Bush would do these stupid things.
The other day I saw an idiot got beat up as he got out of his Excursion. I am not sure what transpired the beating but I gratifying to see a terrorist gets the proper treatment. So, any chance you get, beat the sh.t out of those who drive a super-size SUV like Toyota Sequoia or GM Suburban or Tahoe. These terrorists must be killed before they kill us all.
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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 13:00 GMT > The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil > bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the > environmental health, causing global warming. And because of such severe > upset in the climate, disasters like the fires in SoCal can have severe > economic impact. Really? Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the scene?
Here's a news flash for you: If you live in California, you've always had, and will always have fires. If you live in a flood plane, you've always had, and you will always have floods. If you live in tornado alley, you've always had, and will always have tornados. If you live in the North East, you've always had, and will always have severe snowfalls.
The fires in CA caused severe economic impact because people choose to build in high risk areas, and because environuts won't allow for managed conservation of the land to limit the possible damage by fires.
Heather R. - 06 Nov 2007 15:20 GMT >> The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil >> bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Really? Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the > scene? Larry: Of course, idiots like you would believe any thing Faux News tells you. Your level of comphrension of the ecology is lower than my five-year old kid. So, just shut up and listen. You may a thing or two. But you got to get your head out of the toilet before you can learn any thing. Okay dumbshit?
Now, on to the topic, yes, it's a very interesting picture indeed: the auto industry is hurting by the actions of its own doing. That's what the greedy capitalists Bush's cronies get for being greedy and messing around with mother nature. Pumping out tons of CO2, chopping down forests, polluting rivers and oceans, exploiting natural resources at unsafe rates, buying corrupt politicians like Dick Cheney, recklessly dispose nuclear and chemical wastes are what Bush's buddies in the American corporations doing best. Now, they export all that disgusting and deadly pollution to China. Basically they only shift the pollution from one part of the planet to another. We all are going to be killed by these evil bastards. Then comes the corrupt, greed, and evil medical industry. Those who are in the health care business don't care about health - just money. So, the Americans are cooked. We get poisoned by the greedy industry and being "cared for" by the same scumbags who just want our money.
A serious revolution is needed to restore the dignity of life, the integrity of government, and the true freedom for mankind.
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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 20:17 GMT > > Really? Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the > > scene? > > Larry: Of course, idiots like you would believe any thing Faux News > tells you. Wow, good one!! Did you think that up yourself?
So the fires in California are a new thing? Now, obviously not. Don't be silly. Fires have happened in CA for thousands of years. But that's just like the blind raged "environmentalist", EVERYTHING is because of "global warming". Hell, it's cold outside? Global warming. It's raining? Global warming. Drought? Global warming. And somehow, an Earth that has been around for 4.5 billion years is suddenly ruined by 7 years of Bush. That is ONE powerful guy!
> Your level of comphrension of the ecology is lower than my five-year old kid. So, just shut up and listen. And here I thought I was about to enter into a rational discussion. I'm a forgiving guy. Let's see if you can have a discussion without name calling. I won't hold my breath, however.
> Now, on to the topic, yes, it's a very interesting picture indeed: the > auto industry is hurting by the actions of its own doing. That's what > the greedy capitalists Bush's cronies get for being greedy and messing > around with mother nature. Pumping out tons of CO2, chopping down > forests, polluting rivers and oceans, exploiting natural resources at > unsafe rates Why, because you say so? Let's see some data. All this started with Bush? Incredible. And here I've been told that he's hasn't done anything in 7 years...
Emissions are the LOWEST they've ever been for automobiles. But obviously you're no an engineer or work for the auto industry, so how would you know? You just listen to the talking heads who aren't rational thinkers in the first place.
There is more acreage of forests today than there was 100 years ago. So your whole premise is flawed by your blind rage and hatred for someone you've never met. How can you stand to be so wrong so many times?
> So, the Americans are cooked. We get poisoned by > the greedy industry and being "cared for" by the same scumbags who just > want our money. I've got an idea: You're more than free to put up your own capital along with your other friends, start your own car company, and compete in the free market. You can even design your cars to emit 1% of what current cars do. You should be able to get all of your environmentalist friends who are of the same line of thought as you to buy one.
Of course, you won't have any buyers, because the low end of your line will be $100,000 per unit, but hey, you're not living in reality anyway, so it really shouldn't matter.
> A serious revolution is needed to restore the dignity of life, the > integrity of government, and the true freedom for mankind. Oh boy. And here I thought I was talking to someone who's rational. Oh, how exactly is more regulations equate to "freedom"?
If you had any clue about the history of revolutions, rarely do they turn out the way the revolutionists thought they would.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 07 Nov 2007 02:06 GMT >I've got an idea: You're more than free to put up your own capital >along with your other friends, start your own car company, and compete >in the free market. You can even design your cars to emit 1% of what >current cars do. You should be able to get all of your >environmentalist friends who are of the same line of thought as you to >buy one. I'm reasonably sure that the collective assets of that set aren't sufficient to start a peanut stand, much less an automobile design and manufacturing facility.
God knows they certainly aren't smart enough to actually DESIGN such a vehicle, though, so even if their capital was endless it would be a fruitless endeavor.
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: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Larry Bud - 07 Nov 2007 17:01 GMT On Nov 6, 9:06 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
> >I've got an idea: You're more than free to put up your own capital > >along with your other friends, start your own car company, and compete [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sufficient to start a peanut stand, much less an automobile design and > manufacturing facility. You got Al Gore and all the Hollywood liberals. Lots of money flowing around those people. The problem is those people always want someone ELSE to pay for their agenda.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 08 Nov 2007 00:53 GMT >On Nov 6, 9:06 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver >(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >around those people. The problem is those people always want someone >ELSE to pay for their agenda. But of course! If they could actually AFFORD their fantasies, they'd be republicans. :-)
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: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 07 Nov 2007 02:04 GMT >>> The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil >>> bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Larry: Of course, idiots like you would believe any thing Faux News LMAO. As best I recall, SoCal wild fires are a yearly occurrence, and I recall them happening LONG before FauxNews came into being. I guess your cronies on the communist news network didn't share that tidbit with you, eh retard?
>tells you. Your level of comphrension of the ecology is lower than my >five-year old kid. So, just shut up and listen. You may a thing or two. "You may a thing or two?" And you're questioning someone else's comprehensive abilities? LMAO. Perhaps if you'd stop smoking so much of your "ecology," you might be able to form english sentences that are coherent to adults.
>But you got to get your head out of the toilet before you can learn any >thing. Okay dumbshit? PKB, SFB.
>Now, on to the topic, yes, it's a very interesting picture indeed: the >auto industry is hurting by the actions of its own doing. That's what [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >the greedy industry and being "cared for" by the same scumbags who just >want our money. If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the damage done to the ecology by the generation of power, of any sort, or is your head too far up your a.s to see that?
>A serious revolution is needed to restore the dignity of life, the >integrity of government, and the true freedom for mankind. You could take a step in the right direction by subscribing to sobriety.
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: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Larry Bud - 07 Nov 2007 17:04 GMT > >> Really? Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the > >> scene? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > your cronies on the communist news network didn't share that tidbit > with you, eh retard? Don't you realize, before 2001 when Bush came into office, there never were fires, earthquakes, floods, drought, pollution, war, terrorists, or hurricanes!
> If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are > you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the > damage done to the ecology by the generation of power, of any sort, or > is your head too far up your a.s to see that? Pfft. For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves! Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 08 Nov 2007 00:56 GMT >> >> Really? Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the >> >> scene? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >were fires, earthquakes, floods, drought, pollution, war, terrorists, >or hurricanes! Well, I had considered writing that, as far as I was aware, over the course of my lifetime, California has had 2.1 seasons. There's mud slide season, followed by wild fire season, with an occasional brief earthquake season. But that observation was formed LONG before either Bush was elected into the white house.
>> If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are >> you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Pfft. For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves! >Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output. But of course! What amazes me is how the greentards can fall in line behind such a hypocrite.
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: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en necromancer - 08 Nov 2007 21:06 GMT Larry Bud:
> > >> Really? Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the > > >> scene? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > were fires, earthquakes, floods, drought, pollution, war, terrorists, > or hurricanes! Funny, I seem to remember being chased out of here by Floyd long before chimpzilla got anywhere near the whitehouse. And when I was in school, years ago, an approaching storm with a name meant a day off from classes. Again, long before anyone had heard of George W Bush.
> > If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are > > you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pfft. For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves! > Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output. Or Ted "Sub Captain," Kennedy vetoing a wind farm of the coast of Hyannisport.
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 09 Nov 2007 02:52 GMT >> Pfft. For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves! >> Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output. > >Or Ted "Sub Captain," Kennedy vetoing a wind farm of the coast of >Hyannisport. Yup; you reminded me of yet another reason to hold Mr. Kennedy in such high regards. LMAO.
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: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en nitendas@yahoo.com - 06 Nov 2007 15:54 GMT > Nature has an amazing way to teach scumbags lessons. The recent fires in > Southern California have "crimped a key market already impacted by the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Yeap! The Americans are perhaps the most hypocritical people on Earth. They justify for their convenience by spending trillions of dollars on wars to steal oil from other countries, just so that they can drive around in a huge super obnoxious trucks and SUVs. In so doing they are contributing to the pollution that is pushing the threshold of nature's tolerance. The results? Well, you Americans are eating in the consequences of your own doing. Your auto industry - an industry that gets in bed with the oil companies to make profits - is taking a shameful dip in sales. The "Big Three" are posting billion-dollar losses. American auto workers are sent home to watch Married With Children with a super-size potato chip bags and 12-pack Budwiser. This is the picture of America today. The picture that is created by greed and evil in corporate America.
The American people have been 're-educated' (brainwashed) to seek comfort in materialism that is choking liberty, freedom, and dignity. They have traded in their souls to the devils for a few more bucks in their pocket. Their children cannot locate their own country on the world map. Yet, these children get sent to a country from the other side of the world to fight to war for the oil cartels, inflicting misery, pain, and suffering upon people they don't even know. Then they turn around and ask the question "why they hate us?"!
This is the picture of America today - the picture that has been created by a very bad and evil creature named George W. Bush, a.k.a international terrorist, a moron, a retarded a.shole, and a traitor.
Frank Arthur - 06 Nov 2007 16:02 GMT >> Nature has an amazing way to teach scumbags lessons. The recent >> fires in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on > wars to steal oil from other countries, You mean Americans get free oil from Islamic countries? I always thought it cost dollars, lots of dollars. In fact those Muslims are making more dollars than ever before in the history of Islam and are getting richer by the minute!
Fred the Red Shirt - 06 Nov 2007 20:40 GMT > <niten...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You mean Americans get free oil from Islamic countries? No, we pay thieves to steal it for us.
> I always > thought it > cost dollars, lots of dollars. In fact those Muslims are making more > dollars than > ever before in the history of Islam and are getting richer by the > minute! I always thought that a dictator had no legitimate claim to authority, and thus a dictator who sells his country's resources is a thief.
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 07 Nov 2007 02:08 GMT >> <niten...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >I always thought that a dictator had no legitimate claim to authority, >and thus a dictator who sells his country's resources is a thief. Fortunately we don't find ourselves in this situation.
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: http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 20:35 GMT > Yeap! The Americans are perhaps the most hypocritical people on Earth. > They justify for their convenience by spending trillions of dollars on > wars to steal oil from other countries, Really? How many barrels of oil have we "stolen" thus far?
> just so that they can drive > around in a huge super obnoxious trucks and SUVs. In so doing they are > contributing to the pollution that is pushing the threshold of > nature's tolerance. Vehicle emission standards are the lowest they've EVER been.
> consequences of your own doing. Your auto industry - an industry that > gets in bed with the oil companies to make profits - is taking a > shameful dip in sales. The "Big Three" are posting billion-dollar > losses. Your delusions are getting mixed up. How could the big 3 post billion dollar losses if they're in bed with the oil companies?
> American auto workers are sent home to watch Married With > Children with a super-size potato chip bags and 12-pack Budwiser. > This is the picture of America today. The picture that is created by > greed and evil in corporate America. Did you write this 15 years ago?
This is a picture of America in your delusional mind, obviously.
> The American people have been 're-educated' (brainwashed) to seek > comfort in materialism that is choking liberty, freedom, and dignity. > They have traded in their souls to the devils for a few more bucks in > their pocket.
> This is the picture of America today - the picture that has been > created by a very bad and evil creature named George W. Bush, a.k.a > international terrorist, a moron, a retarded a.shole, and a traitor.- Hide quoted text - Man, the loonies are out in force today! You guys get election day off?
Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 20:32 GMT > The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil > bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the > environmental health, causing global warming. Exactly what collaboration has gone on, in your demented mind?
Please, get a clue before you comment. You have no idea how the auto industry works.
The auto industry has gotten KILLED from higher oil prices. Half the car is made of plastic. Thousands of jobs, good jobs, have been lost just because of higher raw material costs. But don't let facts get in your way of your blind hatred.
Emissions from cars are the lowest they've EVER been. Fuel economy is the highest it's ever been. If you want to bitch about pollution, the US isn't the place to look. You should be looking at China and India who have no standards, and a hell of a lot more people.
Fact of the matter is that the nutjobs like yourself will NEVER be satisfied on those two topics.
Ruby Martinez - 07 Nov 2007 15:57 GMT > This a beautiful example of "what goes around, comes around". That's exactly right! The kicker is those scumbags in the petroleum industry think they own this planet and can do anything they want with it. They've killed democracy, installed phony government, exploit host country's natural resources, then leave a huge mess (environmental and health disaster) behind.
> So, how does Bush got any to do with all this? A lot. Bush is the > a.shole who abuses his power and side with the polluting industry to > damage the environment for more profits to his friends. In fact, it's > his evil friends who installed him in the White House in the first > place. Bush is only an operative to the evil corporations that is choking us all. Since Bush occupied the White House, the US took a dive into the pool of shame, disgrace, uncertainty, and chaos. Yet, we have a.sholes like this piece of sh.t Larry Bud (or whatever his stupid real name is) insist on support an evil regime, defending Bush with more lies, deception, and simply garbages.
Bush represents stupidity. People who support Bush are mentally incapacitated by propagandas pump into their little retarded brains by the Neo-con's spin machines like Fox News. These scumbags are not human because their souls have been traded in to the devils for money, power, and more money. They have no real God (despite their stinking mounths talk of "God") but worship money, wealth, power, and everything earthly and evil.
To win the war on terror is to kill all the terrorists. We should start with Bush's supporters.
Look, virtually every single day, the US dollar loses value against almost all currecny on this planet. In the past few days, we see the sharp climb of oil prices, which will soon translate to higher cost of living for the Americans. The oil companies can literally choke up the US economy in a magnitude far worse than what the so-called Muslim terrorists could do. Yet, we are spending trillions of dollars fighting the losing battle against Bush's enemies and not seeing our real enemies: Bush and his friends in corporate America like Exxon Mobil and alike.
How do spell F R E E D O M? Answer: R E V O L U T I O N.
All incumbent congressmen and congresswomen who backed the Iraq war and are supporting Bush and his evil regime MUST be removed from all and any public offices.
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Larry Bud - 07 Nov 2007 17:12 GMT > > So, how does Bush got any to do with all this? A lot. Bush is the > > a.shole who abuses his power and side with the polluting industry to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Bush is only an operative to the evil corporations that is choking us > all. You realize individuals work for those "evil corporations", right? Those individuals buy houses, raise families, buy products, and keep this economy going.
> Since Bush occupied the White House, the US took a dive into the > pool of shame, disgrace, uncertainty, and chaos. Yet, we have a.sholes > like this piece of sh.t Larry Bud (or whatever his stupid real name > is) insist on support an evil regime, defending Bush with more lies, > deception, and simply garbages. Can't you liberals discuss anything without name calling? I'd like to see it once.
What lie have I told? You don't agree that fires happened in California before the automobile? Do you live in reality?
I'll snip the rest of your ridiculous global conspiracy theory. I mean, you guys really have gone off the deep end.
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