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BUSH, FIRES, GLOBAL WARMING, AND CAR SALES

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Laura Busch - 06 Nov 2007 04:28 GMT
Nature has an amazing way to teach scumbags lessons. The recent fires in
Southern California have "crimped a key market already impacted by the
housing downturn" said Jim Lentz, Toyota's executive vice president of
US sales.

The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil
bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the
environmental health, causing global warming. And because of such severe
upset in the climate, disasters like the fires in SoCal can have severe
economic impact. This a beautiful example of "what goes around, comes
around".

I definitely don't feel sorry for those auto makers for their slow
sales. They and those a.sholes in the oil business are terrorists. They
indirectly cause the destructive large-scale disasters by insisting on
making profits at the expense of the survival of the planet we live on.

So, how does Bush got any to do with all this? A lot. Bush is the
a.shole who abuses his power and side with the polluting industry to
damage the environment for more profits to his friends. In fact, it's
his evil friends who installed him in the White House in the first place.

Why any one would need to buy a new car, especially a super-ugly-vehicle
 (SUV) every year? Why would any decent human being would jump on an
SUV just to feel 'superior' over others on the road? Only scumbags
dumbshit terrorists like those who support Bush would do these stupid
things.

The other day I saw an idiot got beat up as he got out of his Excursion.
I am not sure what transpired the beating but I gratifying to see a
terrorist gets the proper treatment. So, any chance you get, beat the
sh.t out of those who drive a super-size SUV like Toyota Sequoia or GM
Suburban or Tahoe. These terrorists must be killed before they kill us all.

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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 13:00 GMT
> The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil
> bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the
> environmental health, causing global warming. And because of such severe
> upset in the climate, disasters like the fires in SoCal can have severe
> economic impact.

Really?  Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the
scene?

Here's a news flash for you:
If you live in California, you've always had, and will always have
fires.
If you live in a flood plane, you've always had, and you will always
have floods.
If you live in tornado alley, you've always had, and will always have
tornados.
If you live in the North East, you've always had, and will always have
severe snowfalls.

The fires in CA caused severe economic impact because people choose to
build in high risk areas, and because environuts won't allow for
managed conservation of the land to limit the possible damage by
fires.
Heather R. - 06 Nov 2007 15:20 GMT
>> The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil
>> bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Really?  Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the
> scene?

Larry: Of course, idiots like you would believe any thing Faux News
tells you. Your level of comphrension of the ecology is lower than my
five-year old kid. So, just shut up and listen. You may a thing or two.
But you got to get your head out of the toilet before you can learn any
thing. Okay dumbshit?

Now, on to the topic, yes,  it's a very interesting picture indeed: the
auto industry is hurting by the actions of its own doing. That's what
the greedy capitalists Bush's cronies get for being greedy and messing
around with mother nature. Pumping out tons of CO2, chopping down
forests, polluting rivers and oceans, exploiting natural resources at
unsafe rates, buying corrupt politicians like Dick Cheney, recklessly
dispose nuclear and chemical wastes are what Bush's buddies in the
American corporations doing best. Now, they export all that disgusting
and deadly pollution to China. Basically they only shift the pollution
from one part of the planet to another. We all are going to be killed
by these evil bastards. Then comes the corrupt, greed, and evil medical
industry. Those who are in the health care business don't care about
health - just money. So, the Americans are cooked. We get poisoned by
the greedy industry and being "cared for" by the same scumbags who just
want our money.

A serious revolution is needed to restore the dignity of life, the
integrity of government, and the true freedom for mankind.

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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 20:17 GMT
> > Really?  Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the
> > scene?
>
> Larry: Of course, idiots like you would believe any thing Faux News
> tells you.

Wow, good one!!  Did you think that up yourself?

So the fires in California are a new thing?    Now, obviously not.
Don't be silly.  Fires have happened in CA for thousands of years.
But that's just like the blind raged "environmentalist", EVERYTHING is
because of "global warming".  Hell, it's cold outside?  Global
warming.  It's raining?  Global warming.  Drought?  Global warming.
And somehow, an Earth that has been around for 4.5 billion years is
suddenly ruined by 7 years of Bush.   That is ONE powerful guy!

> Your level of comphrension of the ecology is lower than my five-year old kid. So, just shut up and listen.

And here I thought I was about to enter into a rational discussion.
I'm a forgiving guy.  Let's see if you can have a discussion without
name calling.  I won't hold my breath, however.

> Now, on to the topic, yes,  it's a very interesting picture indeed: the
> auto industry is hurting by the actions of its own doing. That's what
> the greedy capitalists Bush's cronies get for being greedy and messing
> around with mother nature. Pumping out tons of CO2, chopping down
> forests, polluting rivers and oceans, exploiting natural resources at
> unsafe rates

Why, because you say so?  Let's see some data.   All this started with
Bush?  Incredible.  And here I've been told that he's hasn't done
anything in 7 years...

Emissions are the LOWEST they've ever been for automobiles.  But
obviously you're no an engineer or work for the auto industry, so how
would you know?  You just listen to the talking heads who aren't
rational thinkers in the first place.

There is more acreage of forests today than there was 100 years ago.
So your whole premise is flawed by your blind rage and hatred for
someone you've never met.  How can you stand to be so wrong so many
times?

> So, the Americans are cooked. We get poisoned by
> the greedy industry and being "cared for" by the same scumbags who just
> want our money.

I've got an idea:  You're more than free to put up your own capital
along with your other friends, start your own car company, and compete
in the free market.   You can even design your cars to emit 1% of what
current cars do.  You should be able to get all of your
environmentalist friends who are of the same line of thought as you to
buy one.

Of course, you won't have any buyers, because the low end of your line
will be $100,000 per unit, but hey, you're not living in reality
anyway, so it really shouldn't matter.

> A serious revolution is needed to restore the dignity of life, the
> integrity of government, and the true freedom for mankind.

Oh boy.  And here I thought I was talking to someone who's
rational.    Oh, how exactly is more regulations equate to "freedom"?

If you had any clue about the history of revolutions, rarely do they
turn out the way the revolutionists thought they would.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 07 Nov 2007 02:06 GMT
>I've got an idea:  You're more than free to put up your own capital
>along with your other friends, start your own car company, and compete
>in the free market.   You can even design your cars to emit 1% of what
>current cars do.  You should be able to get all of your
>environmentalist friends who are of the same line of thought as you to
>buy one.

I'm reasonably sure that the collective assets of that set aren't
sufficient to start a peanut stand, much less an automobile design and
manufacturing facility.

God knows they certainly aren't smart enough to actually DESIGN such a
vehicle, though, so even if their capital was endless it would be a
fruitless endeavor.

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Larry Bud - 07 Nov 2007 17:01 GMT
On Nov 6, 9:06 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
> >I've got an idea:  You're more than free to put up your own capital
> >along with your other friends, start your own car company, and compete
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> sufficient to start a peanut stand, much less an automobile design and
> manufacturing facility.

You got Al Gore and all the Hollywood liberals.  Lots of money flowing
around those people.   The problem is those people always want someone
ELSE to pay for their agenda.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 08 Nov 2007 00:53 GMT
>On Nov 6, 9:06 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
>(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>around those people.   The problem is those people always want someone
>ELSE to pay for their agenda.

But of course! If they could actually AFFORD their fantasies, they'd
be republicans. :-)

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 07 Nov 2007 02:04 GMT
>>> The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil
>>> bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Larry: Of course, idiots like you would believe any thing Faux News

LMAO. As best I recall, SoCal wild fires are a yearly occurrence, and
I recall them happening LONG before FauxNews came into being. I guess
your cronies on the communist news network didn't share that tidbit
with you, eh retard?

>tells you. Your level of comphrension of the ecology is lower than my
>five-year old kid. So, just shut up and listen. You may a thing or two.

"You may a thing or two?" And you're questioning someone else's
comprehensive abilities? LMAO. Perhaps if you'd stop smoking so much
of your "ecology," you might be able to form english sentences that
are coherent to adults.

>But you got to get your head out of the toilet before you can learn any
>thing. Okay dumbshit?

PKB, SFB.

>Now, on to the topic, yes,  it's a very interesting picture indeed: the
>auto industry is hurting by the actions of its own doing. That's what
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>the greedy industry and being "cared for" by the same scumbags who just
>want our money.

If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are
you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the
damage done to the ecology by the generation of power, of any sort, or
is your head too far up your a.s to see that?

>A serious revolution is needed to restore the dignity of life, the
>integrity of government, and the true freedom for mankind.

You could take a step in the right direction by subscribing to
sobriety.

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Larry Bud - 07 Nov 2007 17:04 GMT
> >> Really?  Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the
> >> scene?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> your cronies on the communist news network didn't share that tidbit
> with you, eh retard?

Don't you realize, before 2001 when Bush came into office, there never
were fires, earthquakes, floods, drought, pollution, war, terrorists,
or hurricanes!

> If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are
> you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the
> damage done to the ecology by the generation of power, of any sort, or
> is your head too far up your a.s to see that?

Pfft.  For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves!
Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 08 Nov 2007 00:56 GMT
>> >> Really?  Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the
>> >> scene?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>were fires, earthquakes, floods, drought, pollution, war, terrorists,
>or hurricanes!

Well, I had considered writing that, as far as I was aware, over the
course of my lifetime, California has had 2.1 seasons. There's mud
slide season, followed by wild fire season, with an occasional brief
earthquake season. But that observation was formed LONG before either
Bush was elected into the white house.

>> If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are
>> you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Pfft.  For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves!
>Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output.

But of course! What amazes me is how the greentards can fall in line
behind such a hypocrite.

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necromancer - 08 Nov 2007 21:06 GMT
Larry Bud:
> > >> Really?  Why did those fires occur long before automobiles were on the
> > >> scene?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> were fires, earthquakes, floods, drought, pollution, war, terrorists,
> or hurricanes!

Funny, I seem to remember being chased out of here by Floyd long before
chimpzilla got anywhere near the whitehouse. And when I was in school,
years ago, an approaching storm with a name meant a day off from
classes. Again, long before anyone had heard of George W Bush.

> > If you're such an "environmentally conscious" individual, then why are
> > you using a computer to post this message? Aren't you aware of the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Pfft.  For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves!
> Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output.

Or Ted "Sub Captain," Kennedy vetoing a wind farm of the coast of
Hyannisport.

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 09 Nov 2007 02:52 GMT
>> Pfft.  For statists, rules only apply to OTHERS, not themselves!
>> Hence Al Gore and his 20 times the average CO2 output.
>
>Or Ted "Sub Captain," Kennedy vetoing a wind farm of the coast of
>Hyannisport.

Yup; you reminded me of yet another reason to hold Mr. Kennedy in such
high regards. LMAO.

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nitendas@yahoo.com - 06 Nov 2007 15:54 GMT
> Nature has an amazing way to teach scumbags lessons. The recent fires in
> Southern California have "crimped a key market already impacted by the
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Yeap! The Americans are perhaps the most hypocritical people on Earth.
They justify for their convenience by spending trillions of dollars on
wars to steal oil from other countries, just so that they can drive
around in a huge super obnoxious trucks and SUVs. In so doing they are
contributing to the pollution that is pushing the threshold of
nature's tolerance. The results? Well, you Americans are eating in the
consequences of your own doing. Your auto industry - an industry that
gets in bed with the oil companies to make profits - is taking a
shameful dip in sales. The "Big Three" are posting billion-dollar
losses. American auto workers are sent home to watch Married With
Children with a super-size potato chip bags and 12-pack Budwiser.
This is the picture of America today. The picture that is created by
greed and evil in corporate America.

The American people have been 're-educated' (brainwashed) to seek
comfort in materialism that is choking liberty, freedom, and dignity.
They have traded in their souls to the devils for a few more bucks in
their pocket. Their children cannot locate their own country on the
world map. Yet, these children get sent to a country from the other
side of the world to fight to war for the oil cartels, inflicting
misery, pain, and suffering upon people they don't even know. Then
they turn around and ask the question "why they hate us?"!

This is the picture of America today - the picture that has been
created by a very bad and evil creature named George W. Bush, a.k.a
international terrorist, a moron, a retarded a.shole, and a traitor.
Frank Arthur - 06 Nov 2007 16:02 GMT
>> Nature has an amazing way to teach scumbags lessons. The recent
>> fires in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> on
> wars to steal oil from other countries,
You mean Americans get free oil from Islamic countries? I always
thought it
cost dollars, lots of dollars. In fact those Muslims are making more
dollars than
ever before in the history of Islam and are getting richer by the
minute!
Fred the Red Shirt - 06 Nov 2007 20:40 GMT
> <niten...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> You mean Americans get free oil from Islamic countries?

No, we pay thieves to steal it for us.

>  I always
> thought it
> cost dollars, lots of dollars. In fact those Muslims are making more
> dollars than
> ever before in the history of Islam and are getting richer by the
> minute!

I always thought that a dictator had no legitimate claim to authority,
and thus a dictator who sells his country's resources is a thief.

--

FF
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 07 Nov 2007 02:08 GMT
>> <niten...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>I always thought that a dictator had no legitimate claim to authority,
>and thus a dictator who sells his country's resources is a thief.

Fortunately we don't find ourselves in this situation.

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Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 20:35 GMT
> Yeap! The Americans are perhaps the most hypocritical people on Earth.
> They justify for their convenience by spending trillions of dollars on
> wars to steal oil from other countries,

Really?  How many barrels of oil have we "stolen" thus far?

> just so that they can drive
> around in a huge super obnoxious trucks and SUVs. In so doing they are
> contributing to the pollution that is pushing the threshold of
> nature's tolerance.

Vehicle emission standards are the lowest they've EVER been.

> consequences of your own doing. Your auto industry - an industry that
> gets in bed with the oil companies to make profits - is taking a
> shameful dip in sales. The "Big Three" are posting billion-dollar
> losses.

Your delusions are getting mixed up.  How could the big 3 post billion
dollar losses if they're in bed with the oil companies?

> American auto workers are sent home to watch Married With
> Children with a super-size potato chip bags and 12-pack Budwiser.
> This is the picture of America today. The picture that is created by
> greed and evil in corporate America.

Did you write this 15 years ago?

This is a picture of America in your delusional mind, obviously.

> The American people have been 're-educated' (brainwashed) to seek
> comfort in materialism that is choking liberty, freedom, and dignity.
> They have traded in their souls to the devils for a few more bucks in
> their pocket.

> This is the picture of America today - the picture that has been
> created by a very bad and evil creature named George W. Bush, a.k.a
> international terrorist, a moron, a retarded a.shole, and a traitor.- Hide quoted text -

Man, the loonies are out in force today!  You guys get election day
off?
Larry Bud - 06 Nov 2007 20:32 GMT
> The beauty is it's those auto makers who collaborate with the evil
> bastards in the petroleum industry to make profits at the expense of the
> environmental health, causing global warming.

Exactly what collaboration has gone on, in your demented mind?

Please, get a clue before you comment.  You have no idea how the auto
industry works.

The auto industry has gotten KILLED from higher oil prices.  Half the
car is made of plastic.  Thousands of jobs, good jobs,  have been lost
just because of higher raw material costs.  But don't let facts get in
your way of your blind hatred.

Emissions from cars are the lowest they've EVER been.   Fuel economy
is the highest it's ever been.  If you want to bitch about pollution,
the US isn't the place to look.  You should be looking at China and
India who have no standards, and a hell of a lot more people.

Fact of the matter is that the nutjobs like yourself will NEVER be
satisfied on those two topics.
Ruby Martinez - 07 Nov 2007 15:57 GMT
>  This a beautiful example of "what goes around, comes around".

That's exactly right! The kicker is those scumbags in the petroleum
industry think they own this planet and can do anything they want with
it. They've killed democracy, installed phony government, exploit host
country's natural resources, then leave a huge mess (environmental and
health disaster) behind.

> So, how does Bush got any to do with all this? A lot. Bush is the
> a.shole who abuses his power and side with the polluting industry to
> damage the environment for more profits to his friends. In fact, it's
> his evil friends who installed him in the White House in the first
> place.

Bush is only an operative to the evil corporations that is choking us
all. Since Bush occupied the White House, the US took a dive into the
pool of shame, disgrace, uncertainty, and chaos. Yet, we have a.sholes 
like this piece of sh.t Larry  Bud (or whatever his stupid real name
is) insist on support an evil regime, defending Bush with more lies,
deception, and simply garbages.

Bush represents stupidity. People who support Bush are mentally
incapacitated by propagandas pump into their little retarded brains by
the Neo-con's spin machines like Fox News. These scumbags are not human
because their souls have been traded in to the devils for money, power,
and more money. They have no real God (despite their stinking mounths
talk of "God") but worship money, wealth, power, and everything earthly
and evil.

To win the war on terror is to kill all the terrorists. We should start
with Bush's supporters.

Look, virtually every single day, the US dollar loses value against
almost all currecny on this planet. In the past few days, we see the
sharp climb of oil prices, which will soon translate to higher cost of
living for the Americans. The oil companies can literally choke up the
US economy in a magnitude far worse than what the so-called Muslim
terrorists could do. Yet, we are spending trillions of dollars fighting
the losing battle against Bush's enemies and not seeing our real
enemies: Bush and his friends in corporate America like Exxon Mobil and
alike.

How do spell F R E E D O M? Answer: R E V O L U T I O N.

All incumbent congressmen and congresswomen who backed the Iraq war and
are supporting Bush and his evil regime MUST be removed from all and
any public offices.

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Larry Bud - 07 Nov 2007 17:12 GMT
> > So, how does Bush got any to do with all this? A lot. Bush is the
> > a.shole who abuses his power and side with the polluting industry to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Bush is only an operative to the evil corporations that is choking us
> all.

You realize individuals work for those "evil corporations", right?
Those individuals buy houses, raise families, buy products, and keep
this economy going.

> Since Bush occupied the White House, the US took a dive into the
> pool of shame, disgrace, uncertainty, and chaos. Yet, we have a.sholes
> like this piece of sh.t Larry  Bud (or whatever his stupid real name
> is) insist on support an evil regime, defending Bush with more lies,
> deception, and simply garbages.

Can't you liberals discuss anything without name calling?  I'd like to
see it once.

What lie have I told?  You don't agree that fires happened in
California before the automobile?  Do you live in reality?

I'll snip the rest of your ridiculous global conspiracy theory.  I
mean, you guys really have gone off the deep end.
 
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