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The fact that spitzer even considered giving them licenses is proof that he has been bought off by the corporations that make a fortune off the cheap labor of illegals. ILLEGALS HAVE NO RIGHTS. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21721382/ N.Y. governor sticks by license plan — for now But Spitzer may yet rescind controversial measure amid bipartisan pressure updated 4:57 a.m. MT, Sat., Nov. 10, 2007 NEW YORK - Facing growing pressure from his own party, Gov. Eliot Spitzer indicated he had not ruled out rescinding a heavily criticized plan to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, according to published reports. Spitzer's proposal has generated a politically charged debate that has reverberated in the presidential campaign. He said Friday he was standing by the plan for now, but he suggested he might consider backing off if he could not build enthusiasm for it, the reports said. The Democratic governor has weathered intense criticism since he announced the license plan in September. He said giving driving credentials to people now "living in the shadows" would make traffic safer, shrink auto insurance premiums by insuring more drivers and boost security by identifying more immigrants. But opponents in Albany and around the country have countered that there are security risks in giving government identification to as many as 1 million illegal immigrants in New York State. Some have also said the plan will encourage illegal immigration to the state. (snip) >The fact that spitzer even considered giving them licenses is proof that he >has been bought off by the corporations that make a fortune off the cheap >labor of illegals. ILLEGALS HAVE NO RIGHTS. The production of cheap products involves cheap labor. One would think that as a Wal-Mart dweller, you would be acutely aware of that.  Signature"Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein): << snip SFB's brains >> > The production of cheap products involves cheap labor. One would think > that as a Wal-Mart dweller, you would be acutely aware of that. SFB can afford wally-world, now? It's really moving up in the world, innit? ;) -- I ncompetence & C orruption E picenter >Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein): > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >SFB can afford wally-world, now? It's really moving up in the world, >innit? ;) Yeah, and to think that only last month our little troll was merely living behind the store. They grow up so fast, don't they? <sniff> Signature"Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein): << reply limited to r.a.d >> > They grow up so fast, don't they? <sniff> They come into existence too fast. <stomach churning> Signature"Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS," demonstrates its grasp of basic economics: "The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the govt; it's a group of private banks and borrowing from them means the taxpayers have to pay the interest to the banks. This has been going on for nearly a hundred years and it's just stealing from the public and giving to the bankers. JUST PRINT THE DAMN MONEY. " --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend (a.k.a S&DDAM or SFB) 2/20/2005 ref: http://tinyurl.com/243bw5 Message ID: 1108881725.557954.264830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein): > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >They come into existence too fast. <stomach churning> You'll have that with the lower denizens on the food chain. :-) -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein): > > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein): > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You'll have that with the lower denizens on the food chain. :-) Or reading the toxic waste that SFB spews... SignatureS&DDAM admits to being drunk and to possible drunk driving by way of a sentence with the poor grammar of the double negative: "I ain't not never been drunk none in my life. " --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS," a.k.a. LBMHB, lb-VH, Pride of America, aunt millie, Judy Diariya etc... May 1, 2007, 1331 hrs EDT Ref: http://snipurl.com/1j04u Message ID: 1QKZh.5840$Ut6.5643@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net SFB spewed: << nothing of importance snipped >> http://tinyurl.com/2n4beb -- D epartment of H ysterical S creaming > SFB spewed: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > H ysterical > S creaming ROTFL! Priceless link. It might keep Hector sober for roughly 15 minutes. :) >> SFB spewed: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >ROTFL! Priceless link. It might keep Hector sober for roughly 15 >minutes. :) LMAO. I keep that photo in my PDA, so that when a particular coworkers starts spewing crap, I open the device, select the photo, and show it to him. The running joke is that when we encounter each other in passing, we ask the other "how's your cup?" The usual retort from the individual being queries is "my cup runneth over." =)) -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy The vile and infidel swine, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS," in an affront to Allah and all that is Righetous and Holy, left this blasphemous prose in rec.autos.driving: > The fact that spitzer even considered giving them licenses is proof that he > has been bought off by the corporations that make a fortune off the cheap > labor of illegals. ILLEGALS HAVE NO RIGHTS. Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? Imam Widdershins >Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? Have you ever posted a message to USENET which did not contain the words quoted above? :) Signature"I no longer find MTR and RAD a useful medium" Carl Rogers, 9 September 2007 Message-ID: <t01Fi.49620$Um6.14486@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> >>Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? > >Have you ever posted a message to USENET which did not contain the >words quoted above? :) How many of your email posts don't include the name "Carl" in the .sig? :-) -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:49:16 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: >>>Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >How many of your email posts don't include the name "Carl" in the >.sig? :-) Until I upgraded computers recently, the majority of my .sigs were Carl-free. Now I have a new laptop and a new version of Agent, so I have to start over again from scratch. Besides, what's wrong with the Carl ones? I find them highly entertaining! :) Signature"Carl sleeps in his own bed [with] his yappy stupid a.s dog I want to punt out the balcony and into the dumpster." - Erika Lozaga Message-ID: <1194318485.287974.126750@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "I respect [Erika's] opinion though--not yours!" - Carl Rogers Message-ID: <1194332588.257951.197540@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> >On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:49:16 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken >Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Carl-free. Now I have a new laptop and a new version of Agent, so I >have to start over again from scratch. I never looked at your headers to see what reader you were using. I'm still back on 1.93, although I'm reluctant to upgrade as I know their .DAT/.NDX file format all too well. My extremely brief foray into 2.x was met with a major change in their structures for those files, so I did an immediate roll back to 1.93. What do you think about the latest and greatest? >Besides, what's wrong with the Carl ones? I find them highly >entertaining! :) No complaints; no complaints, merely an observation. I find them highly entertaining as well; keep up the good work! -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:57:00 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: >I never looked at your headers to see what reader you were using. I'm >still back on 1.93, although I'm reluctant to upgrade as I know their >.DAT/.NDX file format all too well. Oh? And what are you doing poking around in that data? ;) And how did you happen to find the format of the files? Every time I looked I couldn't find any sort of spec or description. >What do you think about the latest and greatest? It's much the same from a user's perspective. I upgraded because my new laptop came with Vista installed, and I needed a version of Agent that is "Vista Compliant." Signature"Carl sleeps in his own bed [with] his yappy stupid a.s dog I want to punt out the balcony and into the dumpster." - Erika Lozaga Message-ID: <1194318485.287974.126750@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "I respect [Erika's] opinion though--not yours!" - Carl Rogers Message-ID: <1194332588.257951.197540@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> >On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:57:00 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken >Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Oh? And what are you doing poking around in that data? ;) Building my own filters, building exports to whatever DBE, just messing, you know. :-) >And how did you happen to find the format of the files? Every time I >looked I couldn't find any sort of spec or description. Reverse engineering. I've got about 90 percent of it, enough that I can somewhat tie together database engines to Agent instances for the purposes of driving article selections. The format made a fairly radical change moving from 1.x to 2.x, and was increasingly difficult to reverse engineer, so I refrained from upgrading passed that point. It's obvious from the structure changes that the guys at Forte decided to take advantage of the extra computational power available, and made their data encoding scheme a little more complex. I didn't feel like expending the effort to figure it out, since it would have been starting from scratch. >>What do you think about the latest and greatest? > >It's much the same from a user's perspective. I upgraded because my >new laptop came with Vista installed, and I needed a version of Agent >that is "Vista Compliant." 1.93 operates fine and well under Vista Business Pro on my box. Indeed, the only apps I've had that flat out refused to run under Vista were older Mickeysoft products, like SQL Server 2000 and older versions of Office apps. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:34:20 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: >>On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:57:00 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken >>Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >can somewhat tie together database engines to Agent instances for the >purposes of driving article selections. I played around with this stuff at one point, but quickly gave it up. It was much easier to simply write an NNTP client to fetch the articles directly from the server. That worked fine for my application. >>>What do you think about the latest and greatest? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >1.93 operates fine and well under Vista Business Pro on my box. Really? I thought that the directories under "Program Files" were considered "Write-Only" under Vista, and since that's where Agent 1.x keeps its data files it had no hope of working. Ah well, the upgrade was only $19, and they made some other improvements, so I'm still happy. :) >Indeed, the only apps I've had that flat out refused to run under >Vista were older Mickeysoft products, like SQL Server 2000 and older >versions of Office apps. And Developer Studio 2003 :) Signature"Carl sleeps in his own bed [with] his yappy stupid a.s dog I want to punt out the balcony and into the dumpster." - Erika Lozaga Message-ID: <1194318485.287974.126750@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "I respect [Erika's] opinion though--not yours!" - Carl Rogers Message-ID: <1194332588.257951.197540@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> >On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:34:20 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken >Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >articles directly from the server. That worked fine for my >application. At the time I reverse engineered their format, I had no socket experience, much less any Doze experience, so authoring a client was beyond the realm of possibilities. I needed a quick and dirty way to perform external article selection via a command line app. The job I had before this one involved a great deal of reverse engineering, as we performed I/O on our competitor's formats as well as we did with ours. That ability came from various types of reverse engineering of game and software protection schemes. >>>>What do you think about the latest and greatest? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >was only $19, and they made some other improvements, so I'm still >happy. :) That might explain the difference; very little of the software that I use is "installed" into the Program Files folder. Indeed, Agent doesn't really need to be "installed", as once it's installed, you can copy it wherever you want. Whenever I decide I want to try a different news server, or start pulling a different "classification" of content, I copy an instance of Agent from it's current folder to a new one, enter the new parameters if necessary, delete all existing groups and messages, then perform a group listing refresh, and start using that. Most software I install that I use with any regularity gets installed to a folder outside of "program files", as I can perform the equivalent of an "xcopy" (You heard of ZTReeWin?) to copy the application to any number of thumb drives, portable hard drives, iPods, or systems lying around the house or office, and pretty well operate without the same regardless of the processor and version of Doze I'm utilizing. >>Indeed, the only apps I've had that flat out refused to run under >>Vista were older Mickeysoft products, like SQL Server 2000 and older >>versions of Office apps. > >And Developer Studio 2003 :) My coworkers poke a lot of fun at me because I hate Intellisense, nor will I use an IDE. I poke fun of them by replying "Why does a jet pilot need training wheels?" gvim/make/bcc|cl, man! :-) Oddly enough, the only copy of a Microsoft IDE I have is from Developer Studio 97, which I use ONLY for the resource editor. Once it's installed, it can be xcopied and executed on other boxes without issue, and it works fine under Vista. :-) -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:10:47 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: >My coworkers poke a lot of fun at me because I hate Intellisense, nor >will I use an IDE. I poke fun of them by replying "Why does a jet >pilot need training wheels?" gvim/make/bcc|cl, man! :-) Masochist. :) What do you use for a debugger? Signature"Carl sleeps in his own bed [with] his yappy stupid a.s dog I want to punt out the balcony and into the dumpster." - Erika Lozaga Message-ID: <1194318485.287974.126750@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "I respect [Erika's] opinion though--not yours!" - Carl Rogers Message-ID: <1194332588.257951.197540@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> >On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:10:47 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken >Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Masochist. :) Thanks. :-) >What do you use for a debugger? Don't need one of those, either, although I can see that would change with embedded systems development. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:18:22 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: >>Masochist. :) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Don't need one of those, either, although I can see that would change >with embedded systems development. You write code and don't use a debugger? You ARE a masochist!! Signature"Carl sleeps in his own bed [with] his yappy stupid a.s dog I want to punt out the balcony and into the dumpster." - Erika Lozaga Message-ID: <1194318485.287974.126750@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "I respect [Erika's] opinion though--not yours!" - Carl Rogers Message-ID: <1194332588.257951.197540@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> >On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:18:22 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken >Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >You write code and don't use a debugger? Use a debugger? I am the debugger. :-) Thursday a coworker came to me claiming he had been looking at something for some time, and he couldn't figure out why it was not working. I looked at it, and told him he had two problems. Described what they were, but he dismissed the second one saying it wasn't a problem. He fixed the first and retried it's operation, and it failed the way I told him it would. I was already headed out when he said "thanks." :-) >You ARE a masochist!! This is true, although I rarely have to debug my code. I developed and maintained 165,000 lines of C & Assembler at my prior assignment, and for the last five years, received bug reports about once every six months, usually in relation to some extremely rarely used and somewhat esoteric functions. Identification and resolution of them usually took an hour, max. For about a year of that time, my boss had no projects for me to work on, so I got really good at Quake. :-) -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy Scott in SoCal: > >Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? > > Have you ever posted a message to USENET which did not contain the > words quoted above? :) Its a jihad thing, Scott. You wouldn't understand. :) SignatureLBMHB/lb-VH/SADDAM supports the troops: "Like hell. The Morons will just get a couple other jarheads to take the place of these two. " --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, Sept 13, 2006 10:43PM Ref: http://tinyurl.com/y6gbk2 Message ID: dujhg25i1fecsoh791df5qe1fmk7fiu0na@4ax.com > Scott in SoCal: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Its a jihad thing, Scott. You wouldn't understand. :) IAWTP. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote > > The fact that spitzer even considered giving them licenses is proof that > he > has been bought off by the corporations that make a fortune off the cheap > labor of illegals. ILLEGALS HAVE NO RIGHTS. I dunno, I think he thinks that's how to get Latinos and liberals to vote for him. I've yet to hear exactly by what mechanism allowing an illegal alien to have a driver's license would induce him to get insurance. And I've yet to hear how identifying illegal immigrants for this program would have any benefit at all, since this program comes with an explicit promise that nothing will be done with the information that the person is an illegal immigrant. SignatureCiao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@ix.netcom.com > > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I dunno, I think he thinks that's how to get Latinos and liberals to vote > for him. Libs are also opposed to the illegal aliens. Even a lot of legal latins are opposed. Spitzer is on the take - that's all there is to it. >> > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Libs are also opposed to the illegal aliens. Even a lot of legal >latins are opposed. Spitzer is on the take - that's all there is to it. Say, have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? Signature"Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en > >> > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Say, have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit? Since I apparently have a number of posters in my kill-file, I'm a bit confused here as to who thinks what about the governors idea to give drivers liscenses to illegals??? td >> >> > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote >> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >confused here as to who thinks what about the governors idea to give drivers >liscenses to illegals??? I don't spend a whole lot of time contemplating what politician is doing what for which special interest group, since they are all, IMO, a bunch of rotten apples, as well as I have more interesting and relevant subjects to focus my attention on. SADDAM's thought processes are obviously so diminutive that all it can do is piss and moan about what the people are doing who aren't losers like it is. Signature"Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's homosexuallity: the guys at the bath-house stopped laughing at my 3 inch weenie. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/168e8e621dd649fb?hl=en "Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS" brags of it's ability to operate a vehicle: I must be doing something right to go 3 1/2 years without a fatal crash. : http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a376114ee8a61824?hl=en > > "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com Well, illegal aliens are going to drive anyway, why shouldn't they be able to legally comply? You wont solve the problem with this stupid black white approach, it's a flaw in conservative thinking. Spritzer is right, it's common sense to give immigrants driver's licenses, even in terms of terrorism, (ahem) it will establish a database for all those foreners..heh Simple minded conservatis, they really think like this, become frustrated when their solutions naturally dont work, and resorting to violent measures, like a child throwing a tantrum, strike out, as opposed to critically examing the problem, and working a solution. This, your analysis, is for dumb people, indicative of what went wrong with the reagan revolution...Cannot solve problems, at all. This is why, also, cheney feels, really feels, bombing Iran is the only solution, because he cannot brainstrom another solution, understanding abstract applications. Simple minded men... And the american electorate can recognize a problem solver, which is why we had such a strong government, before the simple minded republican revolution. Most 3rd world bananas think like Cheney, as do his people. American thinking was reflective of Kennedy, before the shift. Hope it's shifting back, now. > Well, illegal aliens are going to drive anyway, why shouldn't they be > able to legally comply? What kind of logic is that? If someone wants to steal your car we should make it okay for them to do it legally? If someone wants to abuse a spouse or a child we should make it okay for them to do it legally? They're ILLEGAL!!! Just because they're in this country should not mean they are afforded the same priviledges as citizens and legal immigrants. SignatureDon't forget to have your troll spayed or neutered >> Well, illegal aliens are going to drive anyway, why shouldn't they be >> able to legally comply? > >What kind of logic is that? Liberal Politician Logic. Signature"Carl sleeps in his own bed [with] his yappy stupid a.s dog I want to punt out the balcony and into the dumpster." - Erika Lozaga Message-ID: <1194318485.287974.126750@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "I respect [Erika's] opinion though--not yours!" - Carl Rogers Message-ID: <1194332588.257951.197540@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> > "Charlie Carnitas, AKA the pirate, rogue dick" <plantainhume@aol.com> > wrote > > Well, illegal aliens are going to drive anyway, why shouldn't they be > able to legally comply? You mean except for the bit about being in the country illegally? > You wont solve the problem with this stupid black white approach, it's > a flaw in conservative thinking. What's "black white" about it? For that matter, what's stupid about it? If someone is stopped for rolling through a stop sign, or having a tail light out, and he's got a license, he gets a ticket and goes on his way. If he doesn't have a license because he's an illegal alien, he gets arrested, and the police can then discover that he's an illegal alien and turn him over for deportation. That's a Good Thing. People who are bothered by that fundamentally don't accept the basic notion that we have a right to tell anyone they can't come here, or if they're here, that they have to leave. Your problem is with the very idea of immigration restrictions, not with the driver's license thing. > Spritzer is right, it's common sense to give immigrants driver's > licenses, even in terms of terrorism, (ahem) it will establish a > database for all those foreners..heh But as I said, the proposal promises not to actually do anything with the knowledge that they're here illegally. If they said, "We'll give you a driver's license without asking if you're here legally," then they won't have actually created a database of anything, just added them to the existing database of people with driver's liceneses--big deal. If they said, "We'll give you a driver's license if you're here illegally, and just add you to a special database, not deport you," no one who would have any other reason to fear the law, such as a terrorist, would sign up; they'd just continue to drive illegally. > Simple minded conservatis, they really think like this, become > frustrated when their [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > his people. American thinking was reflective of Kennedy, before the > shift. Hope it's shifting back, now. You should read what you just wrote. Cheney? Iran? What do they have to do with this issue, and what do you know about what Cheney thinks about Iran either? You're the one who sounds like an ignorant child having a temper tantrum. Maybe you need to up your meds. SignatureCiao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@ix.netcom.com >> Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco >> Paul mailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com > > Well, illegal aliens are going to drive anyway, why shouldn't they be > able to legally comply? If you give an illegal alien a driver's license, that STILL wouldn't allow the illegal alien to drive legally in the state of NY, or anywhere else in the U.S. Simply by BEING here, they are breaking the law. If they also drive, then they are breaking the law behind the wheel of an automobile, and having a driver's license doesn't change that. -Dave >> "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I've yet to hear exactly by what mechanism allowing an illegal alien to have >a driver's license would induce him to get insurance. That strategy worked wonders for Gray Davis... Signature"I no longer find MTR and RAD a useful medium" Carl Rogers, 9 September 2007 Message-ID: <t01Fi.49620$Um6.14486@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> >> The fact that spitzer even considered giving them licenses is proof that >> he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I dunno, I think he thinks that's how to get Latinos and liberals to vote >for him. I'm not certain, either, but I know I'll never vote for him. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy > The fact that spitzer even considered giving them licenses is proof that he > has been bought off by the corporations that make a fortune off the cheap [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > (snip) I say we should give them all licenses. Surely they wouldn;t drive worse than the NY'ers that manage to slide out of that state already. Spitzer himself is a conniving one, if you look at the sleezy way he used other innocent people to put his name in the news then run for dog catcher, er, governor. Nut, who are we to say to anyone they can't drive because of their natural origin? GK ["Followup-To:" header set to misc.transport.road.] > Spitzer himself is a conniving one, if you look at the sleezy way he > used other innocent people to put his name in the news then run for dog > catcher, er, governor. > > Nut, who are we to say to anyone they can't drive because of their > natural origin? The problem here in SoCal is that many illegals are migrant workers that get paid a couple bucks per hour and aren't going to be able to afford insurance. You get hit, you are paying out of your own pocket or filing a claim with YOUR insurance carrier under your uninsured motorist coverage. Sue 'em? Ha. They have no money. Another problem is that a lot of them don't speak any English. There are others, but those are the two big ones (in my opinion). SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol |
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