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Time to ban "brights feature" on headlights?

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 20 Nov 2007 19:41 GMT
Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
crashes.
Paul Anderson - 20 Nov 2007 20:26 GMT
> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
> night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
> crashes.

I drive on many unlit local roads and need the high-beams to see the
road ahead and am not a deadly criminal speeder.

But those who don't turn off the high-beams when they approach a car (in
either direction) are rude.  The ones approaching you can be alerted by
flashing your lights, but the ones in back of you are more difficult
since they blind you for a longer period of time and there's no obvious
way to tell them to lower their lights.

Paul

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N8N - 20 Nov 2007 20:43 GMT
> In article <Xns99EE8128B24C7riemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> since they blind you for a longer period of time and there's no obvious
> way to tell them to lower their lights.

Agreed.

It ought to be legal to smash out the brights of the car behind you at
a stop light with a Mag-Lite or whatever suitable instrument you carry
under your seat.

nate

(who just had one of these pricks behind him this morning...)
Matthew T. Russotto - 20 Nov 2007 21:51 GMT
>It ought to be legal to smash out the brights of the car behind you at
>a stop light with a Mag-Lite or whatever suitable instrument you carry
>under your seat.

Finally, a use for .22 Short!
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Nate Nagel - 20 Nov 2007 23:26 GMT
>>It ought to be legal to smash out the brights of the car behind you at
>>a stop light with a Mag-Lite or whatever suitable instrument you carry
>>under your seat.
>
> Finally, a use for .22 Short!

LOL does that even exist?  I don't think I have seen any .22 ammo in
anything but .22 long rifle... ever.

nate

(unless you count .223 that is...)

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Matthew T. Russotto - 05 Dec 2007 03:15 GMT
>>>It ought to be legal to smash out the brights of the car behind you at
>>>a stop light with a Mag-Lite or whatever suitable instrument you carry
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>LOL does that even exist?  I don't think I have seen any .22 ammo in
>anything but .22 long rifle... ever.

Yes, .22 Short exists.  I've fired it out of a .22LR pistol (it won't
feed but you can load it directly into the chamber).

Wikipedia has a good picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Short
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Brent P - 20 Nov 2007 23:35 GMT
>> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
>> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I drive on many unlit local roads and need the high-beams to see the
> road ahead and am not a deadly criminal speeder.

It is amusing that the resident troll is against high-beams. In chicago,
the cheap a.s beater driving types think the high-beams are the spare
bulbs for the headlamps.

Some switch to highbeams once the first lowbeam burns out. Some wait
until both do. In either case they won't replace their headlamp bulbs
until all 4 are burned out.
Jorge W. Arbusto - 23 Nov 2007 17:49 GMT
>>> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
>>> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> until both do. In either case they won't replace their headlamp bulbs
> until all 4 are burned out.

For many cars built between the late '70s to the late '90s, the low beams
are useless.  Ever driven an Intrepid or T-bird down an unlit country road
at night?  Even the oncoming traffic can't tell you have your brights on.
Brent P - 23 Nov 2007 17:56 GMT
> For many cars built between the late '70s to the late '90s, the low beams
> are useless.  Ever driven an Intrepid or T-bird down an unlit country road
> at night?  Even the oncoming traffic can't tell you have your brights on.

I own a '73 Ford. The sealed beams are probably better than most cars
I've driven. Of course it has been upgraded to halogens.

I am guessing you are judging by people who flash high beams at you as
far as their perception is concerned. This is a poor measurement as it
is related to their degree of discomfort and their willingness to tell
another driver he's doing something wrong. Sealed beams are generally so
much less offensive to oncoming drivers they may not bother.

Now particular headlamps can be very bad, but the highbeams would still
often be noticable because of the aim if not so much the brightness.
larry_scholnick@yahoo.com - 21 Nov 2007 05:19 GMT
> In article <Xns99EE8128B24C7riemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Paul

I once found a brilliant solution for high-beam drivers from the
rear.  A friend's car was equipped with a specialized set if rear-view
mirrors that extended halfway across the car.  We carefully adjusted
the mirrors so as to return the high beams directly into the eyes of
the offending high-beam driver.  It worked so well that we left it
that way - at least until we got pulled over by a Cop driving with his
high beams on, who didn't realize that he was being blinded by his own
lights!
Brent P - 21 Nov 2007 05:40 GMT
> I once found a brilliant solution for high-beam drivers from the
> rear.  A friend's car was equipped with a specialized set if rear-view
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> high beams on, who didn't realize that he was being blinded by his own
> lights!

Why are some of the dumbest people in society given so much power?

Of course cops in IL tend to aim their headlamps up so even the low beams
will create a lot of glare. I was told they do this to mask the lightbar
on the top. As if people won't notice the extra glare and the high aimed
headlamps. I'd say about 90% of the cars that approach from the rear with
abnormally high aimed headlamps turn out to be cops or people/taxi
drivers driving old police cruisers.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 21 Nov 2007 14:48 GMT
>I once found a brilliant solution for high-beam drivers from the
>rear.  A friend's car was equipped with a specialized set if rear-view
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>high beams on, who didn't realize that he was being blinded by his own
>lights!

If you've got a passenger, vehicle powered hand held spot lights are
useful and quick. I've also found flash lights suited for scuba diving
to be rather effective as well.

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Jorge W. Arbusto - 23 Nov 2007 17:50 GMT
>>I once found a brilliant solution for high-beam drivers from the
>>rear.  A friend's car was equipped with a specialized set if rear-view
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> --

Not too smart.  The guy behind you may be equipped with a .44 Magnum.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 25 Nov 2007 03:51 GMT
>>>I once found a brilliant solution for high-beam drivers from the
>>>rear.  A friend's car was equipped with a specialized set if rear-view
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>
>Not too smart.  The guy behind you may be equipped with a .44 Magnum.

The one time I tried it, the guy was too busy figuring out how to keep
his vehicle on the road to be messing with firearms. The nose of his
vehicle *dived* when I lit him up. He had decent dental work (at least
his grimace was nice and shiny).

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Jorge W. Arbusto - 23 Nov 2007 17:47 GMT
>> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
>> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Paul

I have auto-dimming inside and outside mirrors, so it's no longer a problem.
necromancer - 20 Nov 2007 20:32 GMT
SFB spewed:

<< ECP removed >>

> Nobody but the deadly criminal spe <PAF!>

Another stupid idea from a typical product of the american (sic)
educational system. Go back to your double wide, your budweiser, your
inbred children and your Dr. Phil and let the adults carry on with
rational discussion.

Here's a better idea: lets mandate a keg cooler in each car. Lord knows
that warm beer doesn't taste as good. Right, Hector? ;)

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"Well - that's what our highway terrorists, the speeders and drunk
drivers and red light runners and other criminal drivers do. Over 3000
americans killed every month"

--Speeders  & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS,  1/29/07
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/2rfqhp
Message ID: <Xns98C7BC0AA36FDriemann1850yahoocom@207.217.125.201>

"Another 43,000 americans were killed on our highways=3F"

--Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are DEADLY PSHCHOPATHS, 1/20/07
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/2utsnx
Message ID: <1169317176.400941.294860@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

(And we know they are both YOU, so don't even try to deny it!)

MLOM - 20 Nov 2007 22:37 GMT
>  SFB spewed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> (And we know they are both YOU, so don't even try to deny it!)

S&DDAM probably gets its legal ideas from TV, as in "Judge Judy."  The
"Aunt Judy" parody of the show is a nice fit.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 21 Nov 2007 01:33 GMT
>  SFB spewed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Here's a better idea: lets mandate a keg cooler in each car. Lord knows
> that warm beer doesn't taste as good. Right, Hector? ;)

The board notes that you ignored the issue and engaged in childish
namecalling.  Hope you have a better day tmrw.
necromancer - 21 Nov 2007 02:45 GMT
SFB spewed:

<< ECP removed >>

> >  SFB spewed:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> The board notes

What board? Or are you referring to that board of toe-tappers you serve
on?

> that you ignored the issue

Its a stupid issue and was flagged as such. Try again, luzer.

> and engaged in childish namecalling.

Pot --> Kettle --> Black.

> Hope you have a better day tmrw.

Nice spelling, american (sic).

O,BTW speaking of issues, have you ever driven a car faster than the
posted speed limit? The Imam says he would like to see you address this
long standing issue before he leaves for hajj.

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Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend admits
to being a deadly speeder:

"There's a 55mph freeway near where i live and
if i do 50, everybody passes me. But if i do
60 very few do."
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Sir Ray - 21 Nov 2007 17:09 GMT
On Nov 20, 8:33 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"

> The board notes that you ignored the issue and engaged in childish
> namecalling.  Hope you have a better day tmrw.

The 'board' laughs at you SADAM, and recognizes you as the real dim
bulb in this discussion.
You do realize that outside of your bubble there are areas which don't
have bright streetlamps all along the way, and so the extra visibility
that high-beams provide in, say, roads through heavily forested rural
areas, make driving much safer. OTOH, one headlight aimed toward space
and one pointing at the ground makes driving dangerous, regardless of
high-beams or not, so get rid of that beater of yours.

Sorta on topic, I remember in the past automatic high-beam dimmers
being available on many vehicle models, but haven't heard about them
much recently - how common are they nowadays? Are they offered on high
end vehicles only?
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 22 Nov 2007 14:45 GMT
> SFB spewed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Here's a better idea: lets mandate a keg cooler in each car. Lord knows
>that warm beer doesn't taste as good. Right, Hector? ;)

That's right, and I'm tired of having to pour them down (me) to get
them drank while they're still cold!

Speaking of which, good morning, and Happy Thanksgiving! Everyone
needs to be thankful for something, and I'm thankful I've got a fully
stocked fridge!

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Rich Piehl - 20 Nov 2007 22:54 GMT
> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
> night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
> crashes.

You, OBVIOUSLY, never drive on any rural roads at night.

How about we just disconnect yours since you seem so disconnected from
reality.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 21 Nov 2007 01:32 GMT
Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in news:2BJ0j.83
$2D7.23@newsfe06.lga:

>> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
>> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> How about we just disconnect yours since you seem so disconnected from
> reality.

I drive rural roads at night.  But i don't speed on them,
Nate Nagel - 21 Nov 2007 01:47 GMT
> Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in news:2BJ0j.83
> $2D7.23@newsfe06.lga:
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>
> I drive rural roads at night.  But i don't speed on them,

So?

You can't drive safely at the legal speed limit on many rural roads with
average low beams.

nate

(you can have my relay-fed E-code high beams when you pry the stalk from
my cold, dead fingers.)

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Rich Piehl - 21 Nov 2007 01:51 GMT
> Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in news:2BJ0j.83
> $2D7.23@newsfe06.lga:
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>
> I drive rural roads at night.  But i don't speed on them,

Speeding has nothing to do with it.  Visibility does.

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA

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Larry Bud - 21 Nov 2007 17:12 GMT
> Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHIS...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in news:2BJ0j.83
> $2D7...@newsfe06.lga:
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>
> I drive rural roads at night.  But i don't speed on them,

You live in Boulder Co, for crissake.
Sherman L. Cahal - 21 Nov 2007 01:57 GMT
> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
> night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
> crashes.

I absolutely agree. High beams, like radios, are nothing more than
nuances for people to kill others with.
MLOM - 21 Nov 2007 02:03 GMT
> On Nov 20, 2:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I absolutely agree. High beams, like radios, are nothing more than
> nuances for people to kill others with.

Don't forget to put killer coffee on the list. ;)
US 71 - 21 Nov 2007 09:54 GMT
> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
> night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
> crashes.

What about the blue headlights that blind people?
Jorge W. Arbusto - 23 Nov 2007 17:54 GMT
>> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
>> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
>> night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
>> crashes.
>
> What about the blue headlights that blind people?

You mean HIDs?  My car came with those, and they're great.  If they're
properly aimed, they shouldn't blind oncoming drivers.
Larry Bud - 21 Nov 2007 17:10 GMT
> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
> night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
> crashes.

Answer to your question:  No

Any more stupid questions?
Garth Almgren - 22 Nov 2007 08:07 GMT
> On Nov 20, 2:41 pm, "Aunt Judy (AKA Pride of Diarrhea, AKA "Saddam") <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz>"
> <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <nothing worth saving>

> Any more stupid questions?

Judy has plenty more where that came from, I have no doubt.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E. - 22 Nov 2007 18:41 GMT
Don't drive stoned and then bright lights and sudden movements won't
bother you.

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Jorge W. Arbusto - 23 Nov 2007 17:46 GMT
> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
> night but then forget about them and blind oncoming traffic and cause
> crashes.

Plenty of people drive on rural roads or unlighted interstates at night,
sh.t-for-brains.  Maybe you need to focus on the road  instead of on the
lights of oncoming cars.
Premier Bush - 24 Nov 2007 06:04 GMT
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote
in message news:Xns99EE8128B24C7riemann1850yahoocom@216.168.3.70...
> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night
> need them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their
> brights at night but then forget about them and blind oncoming
> traffic and cause crashes.

I drove over 70 last night, and used my bright lights.  All perfectly
legally.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 26 Nov 2007 01:04 GMT
>> Nobody but the deadly criminal speeders who drive over 70 at night need
>> them and they obviously don't count.  Many people use their brights at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>sh.t-for-brains.  Maybe you need to focus on the road  instead of on the
>lights of oncoming cars.

He's like most lower forms of mammalian life; goes into vapor lock at
the sight of head lights.

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