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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / December 2007Houston to Use Aerial Drones to Catch Speeders
Speeders are kid-killers and i'm all for stopping them, but a better way would be to make speeding a felony and punish these criminals with prison time. I'm no coddler when it comes to kid-killers. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/20/2084.asp Houston, Texas to Deploy UAV Speeding Ticket Drones Unmanned spy planes could issue speeding tickets in Houston, Texas by June 2008. UAVBy June 2008, the city of Houston will use the same military drone aircraft currently used to hunt down terrorists overseas to write speeding citations on Texas freeways. Local television station KPRC exposed the Houston Police Department's plan by using the station's news helicopter to spy on what was supposed to be a confidential gathering of area law enforcement personnel where the unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) capabilities were demonstrated. The test took place seventy miles northwest of Houston in Waller County. While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, the practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft such as a Cessna 182 can run beyond $200 an hour, which cuts into ticketing revenue. The UAV manufactured by Insitu, however, can stay aloft for up to twenty hours using just over a gallon of gasoline. While it only cruises at 55 MPH with a top speed of 86 MPH, its powerful onboard camera can zoom in on a vehicle from a distance of 60 miles with full night- vision capabilities. Although Houston Police Executive Assistant Police Chief Martha Montalvo told reporters that the main mission of the device would be homeland security, KPRC confirmed that the department's traffic unit played the lead role in the demonstration. The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association has opposed unrestricted police use of UAVs in navigable airspace at altitudes including the 1500 feet level used in the Houston test. "The prospect of small UAVs flitting around in the same airspace we use is frightening," AOPA vice president of regulatory affairs Melissa Rudinger said in a statement last year. "What do you think your chances are of seeing this thing before you hit it? And it can't sense you or get out of the way." Depending on options, each UAV can cost up to $1 million. sh.t For Brains spewed: > Speeders are kid-killers And you are their king (see .sig). > and i'm all for stopping them, Unless it is you (see .sig). > but a better way would be to make speeding a felony and > punish these criminals with prison time. So, you'll be turning yourself in, then? > I'm no coddler when it comes to kid-killers. Yes, you are a coddler, toe-tapper. O,BTW, address the following long standing issue: Have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed limit?  SignatureLoco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend (a.k.a. SADDAM) admits to being a deadly speeder, psychopath and criminal coddler: "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/ laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE/Speeders And Drunk Drivers Are Murderers (SADDAM)), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Proof that POA is LBMHB/lbVH/SADDAM: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj speedie sez: "Houston, Texas to Deploy UAV Speeding Ticket Drones Unmanned spy planes could issue speeding tickets in Houston, Texas by June 2008..." _____________________________ Who wants to bet that Tex-el-Queda forces will be mounting AA guns in the back of pick-up trucks by then, too. >speedie sez: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Who wants to bet that Tex-el-Queda forces will be mounting AA guns in the >back of pick-up trucks by then, too. Not a bad idea, but jamming the control frequencies would be harder for them to detect. Be a damn shame if the ticketing UAV went flying into the ground. Must have wandered into a microwave beam. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. On Nov 24, 11:45 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Speeders are kid-killers and i'm all for stopping them, but a better way > would be to make speeding a felony and punish these criminals with prison [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Depending on options, each UAV can cost up to $1 million. "While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, the practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft such as a Cessna 182 can run beyond $200 an hour, which cuts into ticketing revenue." That is what Houston wants, a cheap way to get ticket income. And "each UAV can cost up to $1 million." The $1 million is paid for by the Feds, who will also probably reimburse Houston for part of the salaries of the HPD workers watching the video from the spy in the sky. There is no downside for Houston, the Feds pay for everything and Houston pockets the speeding fines. The auto insurance companies will also profit, raising the premiums of the speeders caught by this ripoff of Federal funds. Of course, Osama and his camel jockeys are safe from these UAVs. >The UAV manufactured by Insitu, however, can stay aloft for up >to twenty hours using just over a gallon of gasoline. While it only >cruises at 55 MPH with a top speed of 86 MPH, its powerful onboard camera >can zoom in on a vehicle from a distance of 60 miles with full night- >vision capabilities. And no doubt it also has a gyro-stabilized, high-resolution video camera. I WANT ONE!!!! :) >Depending on options, each UAV can cost up to $1 million. Well, maybe I'll get the next generation unit with the lower pricetag. :) > Speeders are kid-killers and i'm all for stopping them, but a better way > would be to make speeding a felony and punish these criminals with prison > time. I'm no coddler when it comes to kid-killers. > > http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/20/2084.asp Having flown in a helicopter at 2,000 feet, the only thing I could see were the tops of vehicles. The only way you could see the license plate at a height of 1500 feet is to be well behind the vehicle so that you have the proper angle to see the plate. Which would be several miles, well beyond the capability of the camera. 20 hours on a single gallon of fuel? I doubt that seriously. At that price tag, it would be cheaper to fly the cessna with a human than to buy one UAV. > At that price tag, it would be cheaper to fly the cessna with a human than > to buy one UAV. But what would they do with their federal homeland security funds then? Of course now the feds probably own them... but hey, it's all for new soviet america and nothing is too much for that. >Having flown in a helicopter at 2,000 feet, the only thing I could see were >the tops of vehicles. The only way you could see the license plate at a >height of 1500 feet is to be well behind the vehicle so that you have the >proper angle to see the plate. Which would be several miles, well beyond >the capability of the camera. According to the article, the camera has a 60 mile range. >20 hours on a single gallon of fuel? I doubt that seriously. That's probably its max, basically gliding most of the time. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > Speeders are kid-killers and i'm all for stopping them, but a better way > would be to make speeding a felony and punish these criminals with prison [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Depending on options, each UAV can cost up to $1 million. The Feds want someone to finance their Orwell scheme why not let Motorists do it and get the help of Houston communists and dirt bags politicians, to help, by letting them make some money. > While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, > the > practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft > such as > a Cessna 182 can run beyond $200 an hour, which cuts into ticketing > revenue. This statement is the crux of the matter for me. The concern is not for safety, it is for "ticketing revenue." Ed >> While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, the >> practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft such as a >> Cessna 182 can run beyond $200 an hour, which cuts into ticketing revenue. >This statement is the crux of the matter for me. The concern is not >for safety, it is for "ticketing revenue." No kidding - and it doesn't help that both of Houston's major airports are situated near major thoroughfares (IAH has the North Sam and Hardy about two to two and a half miles from the runways, HOU has I-45 around 1½ miles to the northeast and the South Sam about 2½ to the south - which would put flights coming through the UAV 1500-foot zone right around those highways.) SignaturePatrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (SO) (November 25) NEXT GAME: Tuesday, November 27 at Iowa, 7:05 The Chief Instigator: << reply limited to r.a.d and m.t.r >> > No kidding - and it doesn't help that both of Houston's major airports are > situated near major thoroughfares (IAH has the North Sam and Hardy about two > to two and a half miles from the runways, HOU has I-45 around 1=3F miles to the > northeast and the South Sam about 2=3F to the south - which would put flights > coming through the UAV 1500-foot zone right around those highways.) AT 2 miles out, I believe most airliners will be well above the 1500' altitide that the drones are operating at. Though, the thought of one of the drones being caught in the jet blast of an A320 or a 777 does have its appeal. SignatureLoco laura bush - VEHICULAR shows us all - yet again - what an idiot it really is: "Radios shouldn't be in cars either. Only an idiot would argue that." --laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE, 8/5/06 Ref:http://tinyurl.com/hwevv Message ID: fp68d21f99pa2bnn471lsss02nq0pkfa7j@4ax.com >AT 2 miles out, I believe most airliners will be well above the 1500' >altitide that the drones are operating at. Though, the thought of one of >the drones being caught in the jet blast of an A320 or a 777 does have >its appeal. I doubt you'll feel that way if the drone stalls out and falls on top of your car. :) Scott in SoCal: > >AT 2 miles out, I believe most airliners will be well above the 1500' > >altitide that the drones are operating at. Though, the thought of one of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I doubt you'll feel that way if the drone stalls out and falls on top > of your car. :) More than likely, I'll be too dead to care. I'll just let my estate's lawyers handle that one. ;) Signature-- "I'm all for making the SUV owners park in the rear of the lot. It should be handled like handicapped parking. A special sticker on the plate designating this vehicle as a highway tank that must be parked in the tank area." --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 10/23/05 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/dnox5 http://tinyurl.com/c92qg Message ID:1130115926.511881.4700@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com > The Chief Instigator: ><< reply limited to r.a.d and m.t.r >> >> No kidding - and it doesn't help that both of Houston's major airports are >> situated near major thoroughfares (IAH has the North Sam and Hardy about >> two to two and a half miles from the runways, HOU has I-45 around 1=3F >> miles to the northeast and the South Sam about 2=3F to the south - which >> would put flights coming through the UAV 1500-foot zone right around those >> highways.) >AT 2 miles out, I believe most airliners will be well above the 1500' >altitide that the drones are operating at. Though, the thought of one of >the drones being caught in the jet blast of an A320 or a 777 does have >its appeal. True, but as the areas around both airports are getting more developed, the only question is how soon the first drone will be brought down on top of someone's residence or business. (In that respect, IAH is a bit better off, having more open space close to it than HOU has had in a couple of decades.) SignaturePatrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (SO) (November 25) NEXT GAME: Tuesday, November 27 at Iowa, 7:05 >>> While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, the >>> practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft such as a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > northeast and the South Sam about 2½ to the south - which would put flights > coming through the UAV 1500-foot zone right around those highways.) The problem isn't the approach airspace. The altitude at any given location on the approach is well known whether it be step-down altitudes for non-precision approaches, VASI's for visual approaches or glide slope for precision approaches. Stay well below or well above those altitudes and you're clear. The problem is the VFR pilots that use the highways for navigation and choose the same altitudes that the UAV flies at for monitoring. Signature--Andy >>>> While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, the >>>> practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft such as a >>>> Cessna 182 can run beyond $200 an hour, which cuts into ticketing revenue. >>> This statement is the crux of the matter for me. The concern is not for >>> safety, it is for "ticketing revenue." >> No kidding - and it doesn't help that both of Houston's major airports are >> situated near major thoroughfares (IAH has the North Sam and Hardy about >> two to two and a half miles from the runways, HOU has I-45 around 1½ miles >> to the northeast and the South Sam about 2½ to the south - which would put >> flights coming through the UAV 1500-foot zone right around those >> highways.) >The problem isn't the approach airspace. The altitude at any given location >on the approach is well known whether it be step-down altitudes for >non-precision approaches, VASI's for visual approaches or glide slope for >precision approaches. Stay well below or well above those altitudes and >you're clear. >The problem is the VFR pilots that use the highways for navigation and choose >the same altitudes that the UAV flies at for monitoring. That has occurred to me since I posted that...and fortunately, at least we won't be likely to have _that_ problem at Ellington (which is about seven miles southeast of HOU). SignaturePatrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (SO) (November 25) NEXT GAME: Tuesday, November 27 at Iowa, 7:05 >>>>> While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, the >>>>> practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft such as a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > won't be likely to have _that_ problem at Ellington (which is about seven > miles southeast of HOU). I doubt that they will be using the drones in Class B/C/D airspace. Too much coordination with ATC needed, as well as the need for a transponder (more weight) in most of that airspace. Signature--Andy >>>>>> While police have used aircraft to issue speeding tickets for years, >>>>>> the practice can be quite expensive. The cost to operate an aircraft >>>>>> such as a Cessna 182 can run beyond $200 an hour, which cuts into >>>>>> ticketing revenue. >>>>> This statement is the crux of the matter for me. The concern is not for >>>>> safety, it is for "ticketing revenue." >>>> No kidding - and it doesn't help that both of Houston's major airports are >>>> situated near major thoroughfares (IAH has the North Sam and Hardy about >>>> two to two and a half miles from the runways, HOU has I-45 around 1½ miles >>>> to the northeast and the South Sam about 2½ to the south - which would put >>>> flights coming through the UAV 1500-foot zone right around those >>>> highways.) >>> The problem isn't the approach airspace. The altitude at any given >>> location on the approach is well known whether it be step-down altitudes >>> for non-precision approaches, VASI's for visual approaches or glide slope >>> for precision approaches. Stay well below or well above those altitudes >>> and you're clear. >>> The problem is the VFR pilots that use the highways for navigation and >>> choose the same altitudes that the UAV flies at for monitoring. >> That has occurred to me since I posted that...and fortunately, at least we >> won't be likely to have _that_ problem at Ellington (which is about seven >> miles southeast of HOU). >I doubt that they will be using the drones in Class B/C/D airspace. Too much >coordination with ATC needed, as well as the need for a transponder (more >weight) in most of that airspace. That makes sense, but since we're dealing with the city of Houston, stranger things have happened. SignaturePatrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (SO) (November 25) NEXT GAME: Tuesday, November 27 at Iowa, 7:05 On Nov 24, 11:45 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Speeders are kid-killers and i'm all for stopping them, but a better way > would be to make speeding a felony and punish these criminals with prison > time. I'm no coddler when it comes to kid-killers. You still seem to be under the impression that speed limits are for safety when they're really for revenue generation. > On Nov 24, 11:45 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You still seem to be under the impression that speed limits are for > safety when they're really for revenue generation. WHY does anyone respond to this schmuck? You just encourage the idiots. 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