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How often has your power window mechanism stopped working?
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NB - 28 Nov 2007 18:01 GMT Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal?
Larry Bud - 28 Nov 2007 20:12 GMT > Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? The only problem I've ever had with power windows was the nylon ribbon in my '86 breaking on one side. The car was about 15 years old at the time.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 28 Nov 2007 23:33 GMT >Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? Depends on how often you go through drive-thrus.
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NB - 29 Nov 2007 21:33 GMT On Nov 28, 6:33 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
> >Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? > > Depends on how often you go through drive-thrus. Maybe 2-3 times a week.
But plenty of people have to roll down their windows at least twice each day to pay the tolls during their commutes.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 29 Nov 2007 23:31 GMT >On Nov 28, 6:33 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver >(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >But plenty of people have to roll down their windows at least twice >each day to pay the tolls during their commutes. Each time you use that power window, you're pushing it one cycle closer to death. :-)
Although I would have to ask if you're driving a GM product; two failures in eight years seems about right, if memory serves.
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Nate Nagel - 29 Nov 2007 23:34 GMT >>On Nov 28, 6:33 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver >>(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Although I would have to ask if you're driving a GM product; two > failures in eight years seems about right, if memory serves. Or a VW product that hasn't been retrofitted with the proper parts. They had an issue with a supplier substituting a plastic part for a metal one in the window lift mechanism, and they didn't catch it until a bunch of cars had been built with the plastic parts, which turned out to be not quite up to the task. I got one of those and it was another one of those deals where VWoA pissed me off royally by their stupid policies - my driver's window failed, so you know it was only a matter of time until the passenger one failed, however they would only install the repair kit on the driver's side and sure enough a month later I had to go back to the dealer... VW builds great cars but their distribution and dealer network is a big reason why people don't buy more VWs.
nate
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Ad absurdum per aspera - 30 Nov 2007 16:52 GMT The long-term failure incidence on the power windows I've owned or spent much time with has been about one per window. The only car on which I've never had to repair any of the things has been a mid-90s Nissan Altima.
The failure modes are various and often include a switch on the blink, a burned-out motor, or a broken plastic gear-track. (And then there are more exotic failure modes like the neighbor's '74 Galaxie whose passenger side window jumped to its death within the door one day when something in the mechanical mechanism failed. And my own car, the Antichrysler, whose driver's door started to smoke one day -- in the Bay Bridge toll plaza at rush hour -- because, as it turned out, they hadn't seen fit to spend a nickel on a grommet where the wires went through the sheet metal. Don't get me started. Fortunately they *did* trouble themselves to install a circuit breaker, so at least I didn't get my 15 minutes of fame from the traffic copter.) For sure you want to start by isolating the (mostly electrical) causes that might be outside the door, then the ones that can be probed and eyeballed with minimal disassembly.
In the short term they're a great convenience that becomes affordable and easy to implement once you've got some economies of scale going. You can also choose to cut corners on component quality, or perhaps underdesign something in innocent ignorance, either of which really comes back to haunt the second or third owner. Of course, car makers are not especially concerned with second or third owners. The temptation to throw in cheap parts in order to show the first owner a "luxury" feature at little cost becomes obvious when you think about it that way.
I must say I've never repaired the same power window twice, so either the aftermarket parts are a bit better than original equipment or they're about the same and by the time their several year/several tens of thousands of miles turkey timer pops out, the car is no longer my problem.
All in all I have a love-hate relationship with the things and would just as soon have manual windows, though I have perforce learned how to keep the power ones on the air and do not base purchasing decisions on this feature.
--Joe
Jim Yanik - 29 Nov 2007 01:39 GMT NB <nobuyout@gmail.com> wrote in news:18415dfd-40dc-4405-8b52- ea9ccd0656eb@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? depends on what make and model of auto.
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NB - 29 Nov 2007 21:34 GMT > NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> wrote in news:18415dfd-40dc-4405-8b52- > ea9ccd065...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com: > > > Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? > > depends on what make and model of auto. Honda Accord
Jim Yanik - 29 Nov 2007 22:38 GMT NB <nobuyout@gmail.com> wrote in news:dd51902d-fd2a-4fe2-b2a3- bc4560c0682c@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
>> NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> wrote in news:18415dfd-40dc-4405-8b52- >> ea9ccd065...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Honda Accord now try Google to find "Accord power window problems".
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websurf1@cox.net - 29 Nov 2007 02:11 GMT > Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? Mine failed in an Olds Silhouette. The dealer wanted about $180 for a new motor assembly. All I needed was the motor itself--I could grease up the rest.
It was a bit of work because I had to drill out the original rivets and put in the new bolts, but it all worked out all right. The motor cost about $30, IIRC.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 29 Nov 2007 07:36 GMT > Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? Only an idiot has power anything in a car. You must like throwing away money.
Bugalugs - 29 Nov 2007 09:54 GMT >> Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? > > Only an idiot has power anything in a car. You must like throwing away > money. Well unless you have manual transmission i.e. not power assist automatic, and no power assist on the brakes and no power assist on the steering, then you have just labeled yourself an IDIOT.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 29 Nov 2007 12:18 GMT >>> Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >automatic, and no power assist on the brakes and no power assist on the >steering, then you have just labeled yourself an IDIOT. It labels itself an idiot every time it posts. :-)
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 29 Nov 2007 12:22 GMT >> Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? > >Only an idiot has power anything in a car. You must like throwing away >money. You can't answer a simple question like "Have you ever exceeded the posted speed limit?" and you call me an idiot? That's funny!
By the way, if you're NOT an idiot, you'll make enough money to throw away. Perhaps if you'd sober up, you'd finally move off the fry vat, loser!
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necromancer - 29 Nov 2007 17:40 GMT SFB spewed:
> > Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? > > Only an idiot has power anything in a car. You must like throwing away > money. Have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed limit? Address the issue, idiot.
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Eeyore - 29 Nov 2007 13:50 GMT > Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? No.
Graham
John B. - 29 Nov 2007 19:11 GMT Sounds like a short somewhere. Those are always fun to find. Especially in wires leading to the doors, etc.
John B.
> > Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? > > No. > > Graham Shawn Hirn - 02 Dec 2007 13:00 GMT In article <18415dfd-40dc-4405-8b52-ea9ccd0656eb@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? I have no idea. The car I have now is the only one I have owned with power windows. It is around 9 years old and the power windows have never given me a problem, except that sometimes the front passenger window sticks. My previous car had hand crank windows and the passenger side window got stuck too and it required a visit to a mechanic to repair it.
Scott in SoCal - 02 Dec 2007 14:55 GMT >In article ><18415dfd-40dc-4405-8b52-ea9ccd0656eb@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >sticks. My previous car had hand crank windows and the passenger side >window got stuck too and it required a visit to a mechanic to repair it. I once dated a girl who had a Plymouth Volare' (yes, this was a while ago :). The window crank on her front passenger side window had broken off, leaving the window inoperable.
Power window mechanisms aren't the only kind that break.
The Real Bev - 03 Dec 2007 02:43 GMT >>> Mine has broke twice in 8 years. Is that normal? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Power window mechanisms aren't the only kind that break. The little roller that actually lifts the window-glass was made of cheesy plastic on my old Ford. It required replacement twice, requiring disassembly of the door. Yes, we did it ourselves. I don't remember if it was a power window or a hand crank, but it was a piece of sh.t.
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John David Galt - 06 Dec 2007 19:00 GMT > I once dated a girl who had a Plymouth Volare' (yes, this was a while > ago :). The window crank on her front passenger side window had broken > off, leaving the window inoperable. > > Power window mechanisms aren't the only kind that break. I've known people to remove the cranks to make it harder to break in. They would keep a pair of Vise-Grips in the glove compartment.
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