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_ Prof. Jonez _ - 05 Dec 2007 22:47 GMT

You guessed it !

2 People Confirmed Dead

POSTED: 2:17 pm MST December 5, 2007
UPDATED: 3:32 pm MST December 5, 2007

PHOENIX -- A bank robbery suspect being chased by officers through several
Phoenix-area suburbs crashed into an oncoming car, killing at least two people.

The bandit robbed a Bank of America branch at gunpoint early Wednesday
afternoon, then was chased through several cities east of Phoenix by numerous
police officers, said Sgt. Mike Horn of the Tempe Police Department.

Speeds at one point reached 100 miles an hour, police said.

The bandit slammed head-on into an oncoming car near McKellips Road and the Loop
101 freeway.

News Hawk 5 images showed the crumpled wreckage of a small white sedan covered
with a yellow tarp and the bandit's dark sedan with major damage.

Columns of smoke billowed into the air.

The FBI said the bandit was wanted in connection with four Valley bank
robberies, including the one on Wednesday.

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Paul Hyett - 06 Dec 2007 08:49 GMT

In uk.legal on Wed, 5 Dec 2007, _ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof@jonez.net>
wrote :

>You guessed it !
>
>2 People Confirmed Dead
>
>PHOENIX -- A bank robbery suspect being chased by officers through several
>Phoenix-area suburbs crashed into an oncoming car, killing at least two people.

And the point of this post is? The robber bears 100% of the blame - the
police were only doing their job.

From the context, the robber survived - in which case he should face the
death penalty for the two people he killed!

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vertuas - 06 Dec 2007 09:08 GMT

> In uk.legal on Wed, 5 Dec 2007, _ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof@jonez.net> wrote
> :
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> From the context, the robber survived - in which case he should face the
> death penalty for the two people he killed!

I second that.

I believe if the police car had hit someone, than the robbers would have
taken the blame also.....if they haden't run.....

The UK justice system has some lessons to learn fro the US where they take
no sh.t and protect the public. Not like the UK attitude of "its too much
paperwork"

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Shaun - 06 Dec 2007 10:39 GMT

>In uk.legal on Wed, 5 Dec 2007, _ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof@jonez.net>
>wrote :
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>And the point of this post is? The robber bears 100% of the blame - the
>police were only doing their job.

The job of the police is to protect the public.

Forcing someone to drive dangerously in an urban area because plod is
to macho to wait an extra few minutes for an arrest isn't

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Eeyore - 06 Dec 2007 09:39 GMT

> PHOENIX -- A bank robbery suspect being chased by officers through several
> Phoenix-area suburbs crashed into an oncoming car, killing at least two people.

I am forever astonished that American police continue with high speed pursuits in
situations where innocent bystanders will be subjected to serious risk.

In Britain it's highly likely that the car would have been shadowed by a police
helicopter, allowing the police cars to fall back slightly. This tends to result in
lower speeds as the criminals tend not to be aware they are in fact under effective
surveillance.

Graham

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Nick & Natalie - 06 Dec 2007 10:04 GMT

>I am forever astonished that American police continue with high speed pursuits in
>situations where innocent bystanders will be subjected to serious risk.

I'm not.

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Peter Hucker - 09 Dec 2007 19:51 GMT

>> I am forever astonished that American police continue with high speed pursuits in
>> situations where innocent bystanders will be subjected to serious risk.
>
> I'm not.

ROTFPMSL!

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Paul Hyett - 06 Dec 2007 18:11 GMT

In uk.legal on Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote :

>> PHOENIX -- A bank robbery suspect being chased by officers through several
>> Phoenix-area suburbs crashed into an oncoming car, killing at least
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>pursuits in
>situations where innocent bystanders will be subjected to serious risk.

Perhaps they get paid by the reality TV shows for each high speed chase
that happens... :)

>In Britain it's highly likely that the car would have been shadowed by a police
>helicopter, allowing the police cars to fall back slightly. This tends
>to result in
>lower speeds as the criminals tend not to be aware they are in fact
>under effective
>surveillance.

No shortage of police helicopters in the US...

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necromancer - 06 Dec 2007 22:52 GMT

Eeyore:

> > PHOENIX -- A bank robbery suspect being chased by officers through several
> > Phoenix-area suburbs crashed into an oncoming car, killing at least two people.
>
> I am forever astonished that American police continue with high speed pursuits in
> situations where innocent bystanders will be subjected to serious risk.

It doesn't surprise me at all.

> In Britain it's highly likely that the car would have been shadowed by a police
> helicopter, allowing the police cars to fall back slightly.

But that would not make for good footage for the american (sic) news
media. Plus, the cops probablly get a big rush out of it also.

> This tends to result in lower speeds as the criminals tend not to be aware
> they are in fact under effective surveillance.

True, but then there would be no, "BREAKING NEWS," or, "THE BIG STORY,"
for the likes of Fox News etc... to show over and over....

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John David Galt - 08 Dec 2007 00:43 GMT

>> In Britain it's highly likely that the car would have been shadowed by a police
>> helicopter, allowing the police cars to fall back slightly.

> But that would not make for good footage for the american (sic) news
> media. Plus, the cops probablly get a big rush out of it also.

On the contrary. It's becoming common here for one of the TV news
station copters to do the shadowing -- and broadcast it live. The
only piece missing for that to happen in all parts of the US is for
the police to be willing to back off once the copter starts following
the bad guy -- and some police agencies have dummies in charge.
I don't know if that's so in Phoenix, but it sure is in Los Angeles.

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John B. - 06 Dec 2007 19:14 GMT

Watching the video, it was obvious that this loser hit that other car
head-on deliberately. Traffic was very light there, he veered and purposely
drove to the other side, going right for that car. Frickin' lowlife P.O.S.
Sorry, but can't blame the cops for this one.

John B.

> You guessed it !
>
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> The FBI said the bandit was wanted in connection with four Valley bank
> robberies, including the one on Wednesday.

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