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Carl Rogers - 08 Dec 2007 03:25 GMT
Hi Viatologists,

Accidents are a dime a dozen these days.  Seeing it in person is never fun.
In Scotts Valley, a community just north of Santa Cruz, a soft-shell
convertible flipped over onto both northbound lanes.  This caused traffic
delays lasting 30 minutes.

This may certainly be a coincidence, but there is heavy construction at the
Route 1/Route 17 interchange a few miles south.  While the California
Department of Transportation (CalTrans) widens the Route 1 freeway from four
lanes total to six, local traffic clogs the shoulderless pathway.  Once
traffic transitions onto Route 17 Northbound, motorists tend to accelerate
quickly to make up for lost time (~120 km/hr).  Slick roadways made the
asphalt more slippery than usual. :(

Let's hope that interchange construction ends soon; at the same time, from
one convertible driver to the next--know your soft-covered top will not
protect you much if you get overturned!

Happy Holidays,

Carl Rogers
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abda53@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 03:36 GMT
And for you people who drive manual, please learn how to take off from
a stop while on a hill. There are people out there like Carl Rogers
who continuously stalls while trying to take off from even the most
minute degree of an incline. Hell he stalls while going down hill.

Carl, let me make a public announcement now while I get the chance.
Yes your manual driving has gotten better these past few weeks, but
you really do need to take the time out and learn proper manual
driving. May I recommend to you Scott, Sherman, Adam, or Rich. I hear
they are all very well informed and educated on the proper techniques
and usages of any kind of stick or shaft.

> Hi Viatologists,
>
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ********
calrog@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 03:49 GMT
On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Carl, let me make a public announcement now while I get the chance.
> Yes your manual driving has gotten better these past few weeks, but
> you really do need to take the time out and learn proper manual
> driving.

Dude...  Automatic transmission is quite spoiling.  If you weren't so
busy chasing Desiree, I'd have time to take your advice.   ;)
abda53@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 03:56 GMT
Well. plus the fact that you aren't gay..

On Dec 7, 7:49 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 7:36 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Dude...  Automatic transmission is quite spoiling.  If you weren't so
> busy chasing Desiree, I'd have time to take your advice.   ;)
calrog@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 04:20 GMT
On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well. plus the fact that you aren't gay..

True.  But is plausible that one of any sexual orientation can use
manual or automatic transmission.

Yes, I do have room for improvement in manual transmission.
abda53@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 04:30 GMT
On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Yes, I do have room for improvement in manual transmission.

Yeah.. and there are some members here who could use a dose of not
being a f.cking queer faggot pussy.
Rich Piehl - 08 Dec 2007 04:41 GMT
> On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Yeah.. and there are some members here who could use a dose of not
> being a f.cking queer faggot pussy.

Trying to aggravate again, are you Eric?

You and Carl sitting at the same keyboard again, are you Eric?

You really need to come up with something besides pre-adolescent quips.

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necromancer - 08 Dec 2007 12:54 GMT
Rich Piehl:
> You really need to come up with something besides pre-adolescent quips.

Why? THis thread is some damned funny stuff. :)

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calrog@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 04:49 GMT
On Dec 7, 8:30 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah.. and there are some members here who could use a dose of not
> being a f.cking queer faggot pussy.

I think I can code-switch this one into general terms.  It seems those
(few) folks could use general social skills when dealing w/ different
people who perceive differently.

I'm hungry.  Let's grab a pizza, bro.
Adam Prince - 08 Dec 2007 14:57 GMT
On Dec 7, 11:49 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 8:30 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I'm hungry.  Let's grab a pizza, bro.

"I laugh at all of you.. who the f.ck has a hobby of highway shields
and freeways. You are all retarded losers. "

I hope you asked him what he meant by that
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 04:56 GMT
>On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Yeah.. and there are some members here who could use a dose of not
>being a f.cking queer faggot pussy.

Isn't it about time you got some new material?
abda53@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 05:00 GMT
> >On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Isn't it about time you got some new material?

Isn't it about time you got a life?

Didn't think so.
calrog@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 05:20 GMT
On Dec 7, 9:00 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> > >On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Didn't think so.

If you ask me, he could definitely use a variety of social activities
outside the web.  Perhaps his community offers a softball league,
bowling tournament or social mixers w/ different members of the
community.  Heck, even foosball tournaments!  These activities are a
proverbial foot-in-the door for to trigger spheres of the brain
previously untouched or under-utilised.

Some people use religion as a way to meet people.  It's definitely not
for me, but for others, it can work quite well.  If it works, go you!

Major point:  one person's happiness and congruity w/ others (w/ whom
he or she actively accepts) is not another's.  One form of happiness
is not universal.  That's why you have stamp-collectors, train-set
aficionados, avian experts out there, and someone who may be a little
of all of the above.

Now..  That doesn't mean than one form of happiness is superior than
the next.  The strength in numbers approach, a form of logical
fallacy, can be extremely misleading, and distort that reality.  While
one may create a code of conduct for happiness, it's strictly a narrow
interpretation.

Generation-X and forward innately understands that.  They also know
how to defend against those who thinks continued personal attacks are
acceptable.

Is one generation better than the next?  Depends on who you ask.  I
say, different strokes, different folks.

Personally, I'd like to see more females contributing to this group.
A few have tried over the years, but have frankly been scared off due
to the social comparison that goes on in here between male
participants.

The more people you meet, the more diversified you become.  Tolerance
is a byproduct.
Adam Prince - 08 Dec 2007 15:00 GMT
On Dec 8, 12:20 am, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 9:00 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> The more people you meet, the more diversified you become.  Tolerance
> is a byproduct.

Wouldn't you then agree that your friend needs the same..I mean he is
insulting other in his language.  I hope you would preach the same
message to him.
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 17:51 GMT
>On Dec 7, 9:00 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>outside the web.  Perhaps his community offers blah blah blah
>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying
nothing.
Jason Pawloski - 08 Dec 2007 05:49 GMT
On Dec 7, 10:00 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> > >On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Didn't think so.

Sweet jesus, that's a 3rd degree burn right there!

Getting a life, huh? So say's the person who posted no less than 3
separate messages to Scott's one.
abda53@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 05:59 GMT
> On Dec 7, 10:00 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Getting a life, huh? So say's the person who posted no less than 3
> separate messages to Scott's one.

The knee doctors must be lovin their jobs about now...
calrog@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 06:11 GMT
On Dec 7, 9:59 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> The knee doctors must be lovin their jobs about now...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Randy Hersh seems to be loving his job too...  After all, he passed on
his temperament onto Jason.  *Sigh*.

Puppet, string...

Moral to the story:  the dysfunctional interactions in this group are
quite deep-rooted.  They really grab them young and instill
intolerance...

How do we solve this problem?  Tolerance of one another.

BTW Jason, I hope you have a great weekend.  Hey, it should be fishing
season at Pyramid Lake if you need a little outdoor excursion.  I
certainly enjoyed my excursion in SC today!
Brent Jonas - 08 Dec 2007 06:31 GMT
On Dec 7, 10:11�pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 9:59 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> season at Pyramid Lake if you need a little outdoor excursion. �I
> certainly enjoyed my excursion in SC today!

Speaking of which, I need to go to Reno to cash in $192 worth of
winnings from NBA parlay bets.

That $192 will go toward Visa's stock offering in early 2008.  Can't
wait!


-Brent
Comrade Monster Sound - 08 Dec 2007 06:52 GMT
On Dec 8, 1:11 am, cal...@gmail.com wrote:

>A buncha contradictory and faux psychological nonsense.

I've never seen someone so totally clueless as to the workings of
groups and how to interact with them or within them. I've seen
schoolchildren function at a higher level than this.
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 18:09 GMT
>On Dec 8, 1:11 am, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>groups and how to interact with them or within them. I've seen
>schoolchildren function at a higher level than this.

What's truly amazing is that Carl has allegedly studied Psychology at
the university level. Judging from his behavior, he came out without
learning a danm thing! I guess they don't subscribe to "no child left
behind" and "every child gets an 'A' just for showing up to class" in
universities yet. Gosh, it must have been quite a shock for him to
actually have to WORK to pass a class. Poor, poor little victim Carl!!
Perhaps he didn't actually pass all that many classes; he just managed
to hang around long enough to pick up a few bits of
impressive-sounding (to him) psychobabble?

I can think of no other explanation for his complete incompetence in
what is allegedly his major field of study.
Adam Prince - 08 Dec 2007 15:04 GMT
On Dec 8, 1:11 am, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 9:59 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> How do we solve this problem?  Tolerance of one another.

Ah, do as I say not as I do eh?

> BTW Jason, I hope you have a great weekend.  Hey, it should be fishing
> season at Pyramid Lake if you need a little outdoor excursion.  I
> certainly enjoyed my excursion in SC today!

Hmm, do you all notice something.  Carl lately has been saying while
you guys "have no life", he's doing all these great things.  Funny not
that long ago..Carl said.

"I never quite understood the phrase "...have no life".  Is it some
negative
sort if social-comparison towards someone who, or some group that's
considered the social norm?

In my opinion, Mr Slater, you're quite the jock in the MTR group! "

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a62e0aa6830f3ed9

Wow, Carl certainly wanted to be like one of the folks he dislikes
less than two years ago.
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 19:04 GMT
>On Dec 8, 1:11 am, cal...@gmail.com wrote:

>> Puppet, string...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>Wow, Carl certainly wanted to be like one of the folks he dislikes
>less than two years ago.

There has been a noticeable change in Carl's behavior ever since his
old buddy Erika moved in with him. It must have happened sometime
after his most recent Drama Queen Exit back in September. Carl had
sworn off m.t.r forever, but then Erika showed up and convinced Carl
to change his mind. Carl seems to have found in Erika the courage he
lacked within himself, and together they have become a transportology
tag team, constantly on the attack.

"Puppet...string." Ironically, that may be exactly what is going on
here. Erika publicly ridicules Carl and his hobby. He makes fun of
Carl's inability to drive stick; he wants to punt Carl's dog off the
balcony and into the dumpster; he thinks people who study roads are
homosexual geeks with no lives. Now, if *my* houseguest said that kind
of sh.t about me, he'd be out on the street. But not Tolerant Carl!
Tolerant Carl "respects his opinion!" Well, maybe he *has to* - after
all, Erika is a former Navy Seal and could effortlessly slit Carl's
throat with a big Rambo knife. Carl may feel compelled not only to
agree with Erika, but to do his bidding, as well. The Psychological
concept known as "Stockholm Syndrome" comes immediately to mind.

Whatever the cause(s), it appears we have a new and "improved" Carl
Rogers on our hands. No longer the meek little victim, New Carl is now
on the attack! Prepare yourselves for the Ambuscade of Annoyance!! The
Blitzkrieg of Bullshit!! The Siege of Shite!! The Paroxysm of
Psychobabble!! :)
necromancer - 08 Dec 2007 20:43 GMT
Scott in SoCal:
> Whatever the cause(s), it appears we have a new and "improved" Carl
> Rogers on our hands. No longer the meek little victim, New Carl is now
> on the attack! Prepare yourselves for the Ambuscade of Annoyance!!

You mean that krl rgrz is really Carl Troller/twisty creek/borked
whatever?

> The Blitzkrieg of Bullshit!!

You mean he is now Scott Weisner (or whatever his name was)?

> The Siege of Shite!! The Paroxysm of Psychobabble!! :)

Now he's S&DDAM?????  :)

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"You're making a left turn right behind some semi or fedex or ups truck
and you can't see the light but you follow the truck anyway while he
slowly makes the left and when the light is finally visible to you it's
red."

--Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, 8/8/07
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Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 22:26 GMT
> Scott in SoCal:
>> Whatever the cause(s), it appears we have a new and "improved" Carl
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Now he's S&DDAM?????  :)

Scary thought, isn't it?

It's kinda like that video game when Mario eats one of those magic
mushrooms, swells up into Super Mario, and starts whacking everything
in his path. This lasts for a few seconds, then Carl blows his load,
his erection subsides, and his penis shrinks back down to normal size
again. :)
Comrade Monster Sound - 09 Dec 2007 14:55 GMT
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:43:34 -0500, necromancer
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> his erection subsides, and his penis shrinks back down to normal size
> again. :)

Now that's something I want to read just before breakfast! Thx for the
mennil scar.
Scott in SoCal - 09 Dec 2007 16:50 GMT
>Now that's something I want to read just before breakfast! Thx for the
>mennil scar.

Sorry, bro! That said, if you had read the message when it was still
fresh instead of leaving it to sit out on the counter overnight, the
timing juxtaposition with your morning meal might have been less
unfortunate.
necromancer - 12 Dec 2007 01:06 GMT
Scott in SoCal:
> Scary thought, isn't it?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> his erection subsides, and his penis shrinks back down to normal size
> again. :)

A little belated, but, TMI, Scott.... TM f.cking I!  :)

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Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 17:54 GMT
>Moral to the story:  the dysfunctional interactions in this group are
>quite deep-rooted.  They really grab them young and instill
>intolerance...
>
>How do we solve this problem?  Tolerance of one another.

You mean like your high school chum Erika's "tolerance" of homsexuals?

Is that the example we are to follow, bro?
Studemania - 08 Dec 2007 09:20 GMT
On Dec 7, 9:00 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> > >On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Didn't think so.

Go up the the hill going up by the St Francis in SF with a manual car.
Stop on the hill, with cars ahead of you advancing, one by one,
through the stop sign.
Now, break of your seat back so you have to hold yourself upright with
your hands and then operatwe the clutch brake and gas at the same
time. You will learn how to start on a hill that way. (Fortunatly, I
kne beforehand.)

Are the bikes still leaving their tire marks on the concrete dividers
on 17? (That's what some dumb-a.s lady thought was leaving the skid
marks on them -Bikes!!!)
Rich Piehl - 08 Dec 2007 15:05 GMT
> On Dec 7, 9:00 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> time. You will learn how to start on a hill that way. (Fortunatly, I
> kne beforehand.)

Didn't have the broken seat back but the high school I went to had a
hill to get out of the parking lot and on to the main street.  There was
a stop light at the top of the hill and a bridge on the hill that would
ice up easily.  You quickly learned how to either hold the car in place
with with the clutch and gas (on the ice) or how to get from brake to
gas or you became a laughing stock.

And you could always tell the newbie clutch drivers as they would try to
make it so no car was pulled up too close behind them

Take care,
Rich

God bless the USA
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Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 19:07 GMT
>Are the bikes still leaving their tire marks on the concrete dividers
>on 17? (That's what some dumb-a.s lady thought was leaving the skid
>marks on them -Bikes!!!)

See for yourself:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4709189342105295049
Adam Prince - 08 Dec 2007 14:57 GMT
On Dec 8, 12:00 am, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> > >On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Didn't think so.

"I laugh at all of you.. who the f.ck has a hobby of highway shields
and freeways. You are all retarded losers. "

Isn't it true you have sent photos to Carl's site and helped him with
his website.

Doesn't that make you a "retarded loser"
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 19:18 GMT
>On Dec 8, 12:00 am, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
>Doesn't that make you a "retarded loser"

Don't try to examine Erika's logic too closely. After all, he was too
dumb to get into college, so his best option after high school was to
enlist in the military. Cannon fodder doesn't need to be smart, it
only needs to follow orders. :)
Adam Prince - 08 Dec 2007 15:06 GMT
On Dec 8, 12:00 am, abd...@gmail.com wrote:

> > >On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Dec 7, 7:56 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Didn't think so.

I never quite understood the phrase "...have no life".  Is it some
negative
sort if social-comparison towards someone who, or some group that's
considered the social norm?

In my opinion, Mr Slater, you're quite the jock in the MTR group!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.road/msg/a62e0aa6830f3ed9

Hmm are you then saying Carl doesn't either?
calrog@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 05:35 GMT
> Isn't it about time you got some new material?

If he decides to get new material, he will.  That's Eric's decision,
not yours.  Not a single one of your insults or diatribes can change
that.

Will you label him a troll because he doesn't get along w/ you?  Given
your past behaviour, I wouldn't be surprised if you did.
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 19:21 GMT
>> Isn't it about time you got some new material?
>
>If he decides to get new material, he will.  

You mean if he has the BRAINS, he will. Which is why he doesn't - he's
as dumb as a box of rocks. He has the creativity of a gerbil. He's a
one-trick pony. And he's becoming repetitive and boring.
calrog@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 05:36 GMT
> >> Yes, I do have room for improvement in manual transmission.
>
> >Yeah.. and there are some members here who could use a dose of not
> >being a f.cking queer faggot pussy.
>
> Isn't it about time you got some new material?

That's his decision, not yours.
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 19:25 GMT
>> >> Yes, I do have room for improvement in manual transmission.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>That's his decision, not yours.

Wow, that little comment must have really struck a nerve - you
responded to it TWICE! :)

Isn't it funny? You and your little attack Chihuahua come here, trying
to stir up some sh.t and irritate people, and yet every time the
result is that WE get under YOUR skin.

You must really enjoy that feeling of having your goat gotten... :)
Adam Prince - 08 Dec 2007 14:56 GMT
On Dec 7, 11:30 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 7, 8:20 pm, cal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Yeah.. and there are some members here who could use a dose of not
> being a f.cking queer faggot pussy.

Can you explain why you insulted Carl, not only in the post above.
But in this quote:

"I laugh at all of you.. who the f.ck has a hobby of highway shields
and freeways. You are all retarded losers. "

And I thought he said he wouldn't accept your behavior.  Why aren't
you listening to your friend?

Is he really your friend after all?  Or are you just free loading off
of him?
Adam Prince - 08 Dec 2007 14:52 GMT
On Dec 7, 10:36 pm, abd...@gmail.com wrote:
> And for you people who drive manual, please learn how to take off from
> a stop while on a hill. There are people out there like Carl Rogers
> who continuously stalls while trying to take off from even the most
> minute degree of an incline. Hell he stalls while going down hill.

"I laugh at all of you.. who the f.ck has a hobby of highway shields
and freeways. You are all retarded losers. "

Why did you insult Carl like that?
necromancer - 08 Dec 2007 07:07 GMT
Carl Rogers:

> Hi Viatologists,
>
> Accidents are a dime a dozen these days.  Seeing it in person is never fun.
> In Scotts Valley, a community just north of Santa Cruz, a soft-shell
> convertible flipped over onto both northbound lanes.  This caused traffic
> delays lasting 30 minutes.

I've seen more than my share of accidents (including those with
fatalities) in my days driving. Its never a pretty sight (nor sound).
I can't fathom how cops can handle it.

--
P lague
O n
T he
U nited
S tates
Scott in SoCal - 08 Dec 2007 19:28 GMT
>Hi Viatologists,
>
>Accidents are a dime a dozen these days.  Seeing it in person is never fun.
>In Scotts Valley, a community just north of Santa Cruz, a soft-shell
>convertible flipped over onto both northbound lanes.  This caused traffic
>delays lasting 30 minutes.

Are they gonna be all right?
John David Galt - 12 Dec 2007 05:03 GMT
> Let's hope that interchange construction ends soon; at the same time,
> from one convertible driver to the next--know your soft-covered top will
> not protect you much if you get overturned!

I commuted on that route for a year, and saw (among other things) a
car get winched back up after going off the highway near Summit Road.
It went over the Jersey barrier, then down the hill into trees, upside
down.  That car was NOT a convertible, but it might as well have been:
the entire roof was crunched down to the bottom of the windows.

So a hard top won't necessarily protect you either, except maybe if
it's a Volvo.

While I've never been a big believer in speed limits, there IS such a
thing as going too fast, especially in the rain.  And Darwin doesn't
give warning tickets.
Mark Roberts - 13 Dec 2007 03:25 GMT
John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> had written:

| While I've never been a big believer in speed limits, there IS such a
| thing as going too fast, especially in the rain.  And Darwin doesn't
| give warning tickets.

Darwin's remit doesn't appear to extend to rec.autos.driving....

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Rich Piehl - 13 Dec 2007 03:31 GMT
> John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> had written:
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> Darwin's remit doesn't appear to extend to rec.autos.driving....

During my California trip in 1978 with two friends in a Volkswagen
camper van (VERY top heavy)we drove CA 1 from Monterey to Santa Barbara.
 I was driving and one of the other guys was urging me to drive faster,
disregarding the cautionary speeds on the tight curves.  He finally shut
up when I asked him how will I know if I go too fast.

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Rich

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Scott in SoCal - 13 Dec 2007 14:23 GMT
>> John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> had written:
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>disregarding the cautionary speeds on the tight curves.  He finally shut
>up when I asked him how will I know if I go too fast.

I drove the Cabrillo down from Santa Cruz a couple of years ago. I
wanted to drive faster, too, but there were too many people in campers
(VW and otherwise) who were afraid to exceed 35 or 40 MPH and who
refused to use the turnouts.
Rich Piehl - 13 Dec 2007 14:49 GMT
>>> John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> had written:
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> (VW and otherwise) who were afraid to exceed 35 or 40 MPH and who
> refused to use the turnouts.

We had one section that was narrowed to one lane for paving for several
miles, and the construction crew alternated directions of traffic
through the section.  Of course we were in the middle of a line of cars.
 So once we cleared the construction the other cars were just annoying.
 After a few miles we encountered a state park and pulled out of the
line of traffic and just spent 10 minutes or so stretching our legs.  We
then started out again and were able to drive our own speed.

As you said, the slower drivers in the line (I only remember there being
cars, but there may have been campers) refused to use the pullouts.
Completely self centered.

Take care,
Rich

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