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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / December 2007Another highway killer charged with manslaughter when it's really murder
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22154266/ 3 die when train hits van that ignored warning Police: Driver survives, faces charges for being ‘as reckless as you get’ updated 9:24 p.m. MT, Fri., Dec. 7, 2007 SPRING, Texas - A van whose driver disregarded a warning signal at a train crossing was hit by a freight train, killing three and critically injuring another, police said. The driver was the only occupant of the van to survive and was hospitalized in critical condition Thursday night. By Friday he was in fair condition in the medical ward of the Harris County Jail on bonds totaling $105,000, said sheriff's Lt. John Martin. The 25-year-old driver was charged with three counts of manslaughter. The driver steered around a crossing arm to beat the train, authorities said. "This is about as reckless as you get," Harris County Deputy Jeremy Thomas told the Houston Chronicle. "In an accident like this, with the recklessness of his actions, this is the most appropriate charge." The van's driver allegedly followed another car that also ignored the signal. "Apparently whoever was driving the van thought it was safe to continue across the tracks," Martin told The Associated Press. "They just followed the car and then got hit by the train." -------------------- Bet this monster never does a day in prison. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22154266/ > -------------------- > > Bet this monster never does a day in prison. Hell, if the guy is an illegal mexican you can be damned sure that he won't even see a trial. Pleads guilty, gets deported and returns in a month to do it again. richard: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22154266/ > > -------------------- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > won't even see a trial. Pleads guilty, gets deported and returns in a > month to do it again. A month? He'll wait that long to invade again?  SignatureLoco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend admits - yet again - to being a deadly speeder (spelling and gramatical errors (and hissy fit) left intact): "How many times do i have to explain that? It was an experiment not a crime, you morn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend/laurs bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE, 6/4/06 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/rue7x Message ID: 5n0682p1t9ohhdauh4mcpkeumqh0o0g7ue@4ax.com SFB spewed: << ECP removed >> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22154266/ > > 3 die when train hits van that ignored warning > Police: Driver survives, faces charges for being =3Fas reckless as you get=3F Hey, SFB: have I ever told you about the time I cut a live armadillo in half with my car? OH yeah and have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed limit? SignatureAunt Judy demonstrates its lack of understanding of the concept of "</killfile>," and "<killfile>," and what a "thread," is: "Now that takes nerve. You claim to killfile me TWICE in the same thread and you expect people to take you seriously???" Ref: http://tinyurl.com/r5qp9 On Dec 8, 7:10 pm, necromancer > SFB spewed: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Hey, SFB: have I ever told you about the time I cut a live armadillo in > half with my car? Cool. I murder thousands of insects with my vehicle every year. Show me a driver who doesn't! ;) > OH yeah and have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed > limit? > > -- Keep prodding until it cries *uncle* - or until the Imam's upcoming fatwa takes effect. -- "Speed Limit: (n) The minimum speed by which ticket revenues may be generated." -- Devil's Missouri Road Dictionary at http://www.mylandofmisery.com/roads/mo/mo-devil.htm > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22154266/ > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Bet this monster never does a day in prison. He's incarcerated right now. The article says so. > In article <Xns9A006F2108AFFriemann1850yahoo...@216.168.3.70>, > > Bet this monster never does a day in prison. > > He's incarcerated right now. The article says so. That ain't prison you idiot. He's in the hospital of the county jail. If he lives he'll plead guilty to reckless driving and that'll be it. A sh.t For Brains toe tapping neo-con sez: > That ain't prison you idiot. He's in the hospital of the county > jail. If he lives he'll plead guilty to reckless driving and that'll > be it. As it should be. He has comitted no crime. Oh, yeah, I'll have to dig through the archives and see if I have a picture of my car covered in dead love bugs. And one more thing: have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed limit? The Imam will be home soon and wants an answer so he can prepare the next fatwa. SignatureLoco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend foams like a Bartlo (and spelling or gramatical errors are left as is): "Hey - necromancer is a criminal coddler. BTW the article says 4X and then it says the BAC was .187 which doesn't make much sense. Not that it matters. Drunk drivers who kill should get life wo parole." Ref: http://tinyurl.com/rqvtg Message ID:i2k082lf3gv2p6h1sosge2bqma6uvce2ft@4ax.com > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22154266/ > > 3 die when train hits van that ignored warning > Police: Driver survives, faces charges for being as reckless as you get Amerikanee ignore all warnings dont they. As the economy of the entire world slips into oblivion Amerikanee can no longer avoid the speeding truth! Repent before its too late. > updated 9:24 p.m. MT, Fri., Dec. 7, 2007 > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Bet this monster never does a day in prison. AWS Bush: > Amerikanee ignore all warnings dont they. As the economy of > the entire world slips into oblivion Amerikanee can no longer > avoid the speeding truth! Repent before its too late. Americans (sic) are generally not the sharpest knives in the drawer, IMNSHO. Case in point, S&DDAM, the person you replied to. However, americans (sic) are starting to come around as they find they can't make their mortgage payments and they owe more on that mortgage than the house is worth. -- P lague O n T he U nited S tates You're a freaking moron. The reason he's not being charged with murder, is because it isn't murder. Murder requires premeditation. An accident, even if you clearly caused it, cannot be murder by definition. > You're a freaking moron. > > The reason he's not being charged with murder, is because it isn't > murder. Murder requires premeditation. An accident, even if you > clearly caused it, cannot be murder by definition. You're the moron cause you don't know a damn thing about the law. Lots of drunk drivers who kill on the highways are charged with murder even though they weren't actually trying to kill anyone. The law equates extreme recklessness with premeditation. You are a legal ignoramus. On Dec 9, 9:22 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <beta...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > You're a freaking moron. > > > The reason he's not being charged with murder, is because it isn't > > murder. Murder requires premeditation. An accident, even if you > > clearly caused it, cannot be murder by definition. Murder (under Texas and Common law) is "the unlawful killing of a human being with malice and aforethought". "Preditation" is only required for first degree murder in Texas. It would be possible for someone who drove drunk and could reasonably have known that they were drunk and basically said to themselves "I don't care if I kill someone today. I'm drunk!" to be charged with murder. That would be "malice and aforethought" but not premeditation, so it would be second degree. In this case the defendant here will likely be convicted of either manslaughter "Illegally killing a human being either with malice or aforethought, but not both" or criminally negligent homicide "illegally killing a human being with neither malice nor aforethought." Sometimes (as we sometimes see on "Law and Order") these things plead down to Reckless Endangerment "Undertaking an inherently dangerous activity without proper care for what kind of injury or death may result". This often results when they can't prove that the defendant might reasonably have known someone might die as a result of the activity (like leaving your baby in a car that got too hot faster than you might have expected or failing to fix a large hole under your doormat or when the victim, in some way, contributes to his own demise, but it is clearly the defendant's fault that they got into the position that resulted in the death). Doing something dumb, idiotic, illegal, and "as reckless as you can get" doesn't usually rise to the level of "mailice and aforethought". In California, they have gotten one or two convictions for murder of people invloved in street racing when someone got killed due to a malicious racing manouver. It's a tough sell to the jury to get malice into the equation when someone just does something reckless (no matter how selfish or stupid), but I suppose that it COULD happen. > Bet this monster never does a day in prison. Really? You want to really make a bet on that? Please bet EVERYTHING you own. >> Bet this monster never does a day in prison. > >Really? You want to really make a bet on that? Please bet EVERYTHING >you own. Why would you want a rusted out '86 Chevy Celebrity with bald tires, no functional instrument cluster, and vomit stains all over the interior? -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy >>> Bet this monster never does a day in prison. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >no functional instrument cluster, and vomit stains all over the >interior? Although I forgot to add, it comes with quite the extensive collection of gay pornography magazines in the trunk, and all you'll need is a screw driver to access them! -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22154266/ > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Bet this monster never does a day in prison. Who gives a sh.t? I'll bet he'll be trying for another Darwin real soon now, and his checking out will be much cheaper than paying for his incarceration. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Dec 9, 7:21 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: > >Bet this monster never does a day in prison. > > Who gives a sh.t? I'll bet he'll be trying for another Darwin real > soon now, and his checking out will be much cheaper than paying for > his incarceration. I care because he just killed three people and if he's free, he'll kill more. >On Dec 9, 7:21 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver >(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I care because he just killed three people and if he's free, he'll >kill more. Good for him; the more idiots he can get into his vehicle, the better. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Dec 9, 9:17 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: > >On Dec 9, 7:21 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver > >(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. > - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy IAWTP: anyone who willingly gets into a vehicle with that Scheiskopf is a Darwin contender. SOT: looks like evidence Aunt Judy was not the operator of the firearms in either Colorado Springs incident. >On Dec 9, 9:17 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver >(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >SOT: looks like evidence Aunt Judy was not the operator of the >firearms in either Colorado Springs incident. I was betting against it. I think when SADDAM finally melts down, it's going to be an un-newsworthy event. I mean, how excited can someone get about some moron balling up in the fetal position, drooling and spewing green jello while all the while screaming "Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend?" -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Dec 9, 10:03 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: > >On Dec 9, 9:17 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver > >(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - An event like that wouldn't even make the cut on TMZ. MLOM: << reply limited to r.a.d and m.t.r >> << snip >> > An event like that wouldn't even make the cut on TMZ. Maybe if it happened in Lindsey Lohan's garage? -- F ools E gomaniacs & M orons A ssociation SFB spewed: > On Dec 9, 7:21 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I care because he just killed three people and if he's free, he'll > kill more. Let's hope he does. Starting with you. -- necromancer Official Overseer Of Kooks And Trolls In rec.autos.driving |
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