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Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. Seems someone is selling copies of license plates, all that is needed is to copy a plate one sees, order a 'fake' and put it over his. There are, supposedly, thousands of tickets being issued to the wrong people and one person even copied the plate of one of the Ministers. If true, it looks like the underground will bring the RLCs to their knees. Harry K >Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. Seems >someone is selling copies of license plates, all that is needed is to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Harry K That's brutal. With the technology available to the consumer, one could conceivably print their own paper tag, then purposely run red lights to send other people traffic tickets. Since it's a paper tag, all you have to do is go a few blocks then dispose of the evidence (out of view of a camera, of course). Even better is a case like mine, where the vehicle I drive has not been customized, and is evidently the most popular color for that model. :-) Vigilantism of this nature will do a great deal of damage to the RLC revenue generation scheme, as the bureaucracy will become mired down in it's own filth trying to straighten this mess out. Great idea! -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:09:59 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote: >>Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. Seems >>someone is selling copies of license plates, all that is needed is to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Great idea! I agree. Almost makes a guy want to try it. :) For purposes of poetic justice, he would target one of the politicians who supported the RLCs (like that moron city councilman in Chicago who wants to base the city budget on RLC fines). He'd find out what kind of car(s) he drives, as well as his license plate number(s). He'd rent or borrow a similar car, put paper versions of the mark's license plates on the car, wear a little makeup to look like him, and then go on a red light running spree (coming to a full stop at each intersection, checking for cross traffic, and then proceeding through the red when clear). After racking up a few flashes, he would pull over and dispose of the fake plates. > For purposes of poetic justice, he would target one of the politicians > who supported the RLCs (like that moron city councilman in Chicago who > wants to base the city budget on RLC fines). He'd find out what kind > of car(s) he drives, as well as his license plate number(s). He'd rent > or borrow a similar car, put paper versions of the mark's license > plates on the car, wear a little makeup to look like him, why bother? It's not like how the driver looks matters. It's the plate number they go by alone. They'll ticket a black guy who owns a green ford sedan when the photo shows a white guy driving a red chevy SUV. > In article <hv0lm359738tgkjh9mlvh68bj8pislh...@4ax.com>, Scott in SoCal wrote: > > For purposes of poetic justice, he would target one of the politicians [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > number they go by alone. They'll ticket a black guy who owns a green ford > sedan when the photo shows a white guy driving a red chevy SUV. Now all I need is a photo of the tag on one of the presidential limosines, or Ted Kennedy's car, assuming he's got any that aren't submarines. > Now all I need is a photo of the tag on one of the presidential > limosines, or Ted Kennedy's car, assuming he's got any that aren't > submarines. Why bother? He'll just fire that chauffeur and hire another. >> Now all I need is a photo of the tag on one of the presidential >> limosines, or Ted Kennedy's car, assuming he's got any that aren't >> submarines. > >Why bother? He'll just fire that chauffeur and hire another. Odd, I don't recall any mention of a chauffeur at chappaquidick. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy Brent P: > > For purposes of poetic justice, he would target one of the politicians > > who supported the RLCs (like that moron city councilman in Chicago who [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > number they go by alone. They'll ticket a black guy who owns a green ford > sedan when the photo shows a white guy driving a red chevy SUV. Here in GA, (where we don't have a license plate on the front of the vehicle), the RLC's photograph the rear of the, "offending," vehicle. IOW, you can't see who is driving the car.  SignatureSpeeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS demonstrates its Bartlo quality forecasting abilities: "At least they did where i live. It'll be $3 by turkey day and $4 by Xmas as exxon tries to make up for the money they lost lowering prices to help their bud Bush." Ref: http://tinyurl.com/y35dzw Msg ID:g1b6m2toqvke4g7jampip7d32kalsvvn74@4ax.com >Here in GA, (where we don't have a license plate on the front of the >vehicle), the RLC's photograph the rear of the, "offending," vehicle. >IOW, you can't see who is driving the car. Are you sure they don't photograph both? I have seen some RLC systems that have cameras pointing in both directions. Scott in SoCal: > >Here in GA, (where we don't have a license plate on the front of the > >vehicle), the RLC's photograph the rear of the, "offending," vehicle. > >IOW, you can't see who is driving the car. > > Are you sure they don't photograph both? I have seen some RLC systems > that have cameras pointing in both directions. Dunno, to be quite honest. I've never been photographed (because 1: I don't run red lights, unlike S&DDAM and 2: I tend to avoid the intersections that have the cameras), however, the setups I have seen around here only have one camera per intersection, so they have to photograph the rear of the car to get the tag #. SignatureLoco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend admits to being a red light runner: "The cameras don't catch everyone. I have never been nailed for this." Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 5/9/06 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/ee4wq Message ID: 9nb162p1idam39jhmv5s2g0b7booh67stc@4ax.com >> For purposes of poetic justice, he would target one of the politicians >> who supported the RLCs (like that moron city councilman in Chicago who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >why bother? It's not like how the driver looks matters. Just for fun. :) > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:09:59 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken > Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On the way in to work, I considered this further. I believe if RLC or Speed cameras come to the area, I'm going to duplicate the mayor's tags, as well as that of a few state senators. =)) Perhaps a few government tags recorded off of LEO vehicles would be prudent as well. > Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. What RLC problem ? > Seems someone is selling copies of license plates, all that is needed > is to > copy a plate one sees, order a 'fake' and put it over his. To get a licence plate made one now has to provide proof of ownership (registration document). It's been that way for some years now. > There are, supposedly, thousands of tickets being issued to the wrong > people and one person even copied the plate of one of the Ministers. > > If true, it looks like the underground will bring the RLCs to their > knees. There are relatively few RLCs here (that I know of) and there's no real institution of trying to run red lights. Where 'number plates' (as we call them) have been cloned the problem they cause is most evident with things like London's congestion charging zone. Graham >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > >What RLC problem ? The fact that you have them. >> Seems someone is selling copies of license plates, all that is needed >> is to >> copy a plate one sees, order a 'fake' and put it over his. > >To get a licence plate made one now has to provide proof of ownership >(registration document). It's been that way for some years now. You're a little slow on the uptake, aren't you? Anyone with a color printer can produce a PAPER facsimile of a number plate that can be temporarily taped on top of the real number plates and that will look real in a photograph. The paper plates can then be easily and quickly disposed of. Not quite as good as James Bond's revolving number plates, but much cheaper and much easier to install. :) Scott in SoCal: > >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > > > >What RLC problem ? IIRC, aren't speed cameras the problem over there, more than RLC's? > The fact that you have them. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > revolving number plates, but much cheaper and much easier to install. > :) Some of the more progressive elements over there have a more direct and straightforward means of voicing displeasure with the cameras: they torch them. Signature"Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS," admits to being a Red Light Runner on a regular basis: "All the paranoids out there like to claim that RLCs are set up to catch even law-abiding drivers. If that was true, i should have been caught but never have been!!" --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS (a.k.a, LBMHB/lb-VH, POA, aunt millie ad nauseum) 2/22/07 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/2rwacl Message ID: Xns98DFD82CC5A39riemann1850yahoocom@207.217.125.201 > Scott in SoCal: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > straightforward means of voicing displeasure with the cameras: they > torch them. a PAPER copy of a plate is not going to be highly reflective like a real plate is. At night,cops will spot them quickly.Probably during the day,too. I'd just make a plate holder that flips to horizontal with a push of a button.A simple solenoid. RLCs will not see much of a plate that's parallel-facing the ground. eventually,they'll push for RFID chipped license plates,scan them with an antenna like the E-Pass transponders. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net Jim Yanik: > a PAPER copy of a plate is not going to be highly reflective like a real > plate is. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > eventually,they'll push for RFID chipped license plates,scan them with an > antenna like the E-Pass transponders. Take a cigarette lighter to the area where the chip is. Problem solved. Signature-- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin > Jim Yanik: >> a PAPER copy of a plate is not going to be highly reflective like a real [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Take a cigarette lighter to the area where the chip is. Problem solved. Then you get pulled over for not having a valid license plate, much as you would get pulled over if you took a cigarette lighter to your renewal sticker. Before you ask how the cops would know, it stands to reason that every cop car would be equipped with an RFID late reader, much as cop cars in AZ are currently equipped with optical license plate scanners. The data logs of every car that the patrol car "sees" as it drives around are too valuable to leave uncollected. > Before you ask how the cops would know, it stands to reason that every > cop car would be equipped with an RFID late reader, much as cop cars > in AZ are currently equipped with optical license plate scanners. The > data logs of every car that the patrol car "sees" as it drives around > are too valuable to leave uncollected. Optical scan technology is already developed, already works, and doesn't require re-plating all the vehicles. It is also easier to get past the people than RFID chips in the license plates and it isn't vunerable to a car owner disabling the chip. >> Before you ask how the cops would know, it stands to reason that every >> cop car would be equipped with an RFID late reader, much as cop cars [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Optical scan technology is already developed, already works, and doesn't >require re-plating all the vehicles. The same is true of passports, but those all have RFID chips now. >It is also easier to get past the >people than RFID chips in the license plates RFID chips in passports made it past. People are becoming conditioned to the idea, so soon it will be possible to put them in license plates. It's all part of the government's master plan. >and it isn't vunerable to a car owner disabling the chip. Well, since disabling the chip will get you pulled over and cited by the first cop car you pass, very few people will even attempt to disable it. >>> Before you ask how the cops would know, it stands to reason that every >>> cop car would be equipped with an RFID late reader, much as cop cars [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The same is true of passports, but those all have RFID chips now. optical scanning of a passport requires handling it. They don't want to do that. >>It is also easier to get past the >>people than RFID chips in the license plates > RFID chips in passports made it past. When did the people get to vote on it? It was just done. The people who watch government complained and government ignored them because the masses consider people who watch government kooky conspiracy theorists because government said they were. > People are becoming conditioned > to the idea, so soon it will be possible to put them in license > plates. It's all part of the government's master plan. number plate scanning is quite clearly the chosen technology for logging where everyone drives and when. >>and it isn't vunerable to a car owner disabling the chip. > Well, since disabling the chip will get you pulled over and cited by > the first cop car you pass, very few people will even attempt to > disable it. If a cop is relying on the system he won't even notice that it doesn't beep for a violator. If he's using his eyes, what's the difference? >>>It is also easier to get past the >>>people than RFID chips in the license plates > >> RFID chips in passports made it past. > >When did the people get to vote on it? It was just done. Which is precisely how it will get into your license plate. > > Jim Yanik: > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > data logs of every car that the patrol car "sees" as it drives around > are too valuable to leave uncollected. You could probably 'zap' one without leaving any visible evidence using a microwave oven. It would then be for them to prove it wasn't a failed chip. OTOH it would be far better for this scenario never to arise. Graham > Jim Yanik: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Take a cigarette lighter to the area where the chip is. Problem solved. Not to mention that if you park in the street your plate can get bashed quite a bit by other cars. Porbably right where that chip is. ------------------- Alex > a PAPER copy of a plate is not going to be highly reflective like a real > plate is. > At night,cops will spot them quickly.Probably during the day,too. You don't see many cops on the roads these days. They reduced the number s and replaced wthem with speed cameras. Utterly moronic of course since speed cameras can't tell if you're an incompetent or dangerous driver. Graham >> Scott in SoCal: >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >plate is. >At night,cops will spot them quickly.Probably during the day,too. Cops are not who we're tryng to fool with this prank. As long as it looks OK in the RLC photograph, that's all that matters. >I'd just make a plate holder that flips to horizontal with a push of a >button.A simple solenoid. >RLCs will not see much of a plate that's parallel-facing the ground. Sure - as long as you know when to push the activation button. :) > Cops are not who we're tryng to fool with this prank. As long as it > looks OK in the RLC photograph, that's all that matters. Cops write tickets against plastic license plate decorations that people put on the front of their cars when they don't have a front plate. And that's in person. The RLCs should be much easier to fool. > I'd just make a plate holder that flips to horizontal with a push of a > button.A simple solenoid. > RLCs will not see much of a plate that's parallel-facing the ground. James Bond had something along these lines in one of his Aston Martins. Damn handy. Graham > Scott in SoCal: > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > IIRC, aren't speed cameras the problem over there, more than RLC's? Absolutely and they are a curse. Unlike running red lights, most speeding is not a safety concern. Everyone knows it's just a scam to make money now. One guy even invented the term 'scamera' to describe them. Graham > >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > > > >What RLC problem ? > > The fact that you have them. RLCs are GOOD. They mean that CRIMINALS who would happily KILL you because they want to get somewhere quicker (the ULTIMATE MFFY) get fined and will lose their licence if they're not careful. An excellent idea. Since when were you a MFFY defender ? Graham > > >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Graham If indeed the purpose were safety, I would be for them 100%. I have since learned the truth. D >> > >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > D Except that the RLrunners will NOT lose their license,as most RLC tickets do not assign points to the DL;thus they are only taxes for running RLs. IOW;REVENUE generation. They don't even stop RLrunning,as one doesn't even know they've been ticketed until weeks later,when it arrives in the mail. By then..... SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > >> RLCs are GOOD. They mean that CRIMINALS who would happily KILL you > >> because they want to get somewhere quicker (the ULTIMATE MFFY) get [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > do not assign points to the DL;thus they are only taxes for running RLs. > IOW;REVENUE generation. You need to change that then. Red light runners in the UK most certainly get points on their licence. Simple really. It's the one 'safety measure' by camera that I can't find fault with. Graham > > >> RLCs are GOOD. They mean that CRIMINALS who would happily KILL you > > >> because they want to get somewhere quicker (the ULTIMATE MFFY) get [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Graham I can't support that simply because at least in the US most RLC intersections are set up to artificially create violators. Points on a license to boot would be just adding insult to injury. nate >> >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >RLCs are GOOD. ONLY if the yellow light times are set correctly. If the yellow light time is shortened, as so often happens when RLCs are deployed in the US, then it's just another SCAM. > >> >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > time is shortened, as so often happens when RLCs are deployed in the > US, then it's just another SCAM. The problem you seem to have in the USA is that you don't have proper standards for these, or the standards are flaunted by the authorities. If the local council (or other authorirty responsible) is breaking the rules, the best idea IMHO is to bring a case against them in court. That ought to fix it. Graham >> >> >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The problem you seem to have in the USA is that you don't have proper >standards for these Oh, we do: it's called the MUTCD. http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ >or the standards are flaunted by the authorities. Flouted. And yes, they are. >If the local council (or other authorirty responsible) is breaking the >rules, the best idea IMHO is to bring a case against them in court. That >ought to fix it. It certainly worked in San Diego, but I haven't heard of this sort of challenge being tried anywhere else. >> >> >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The problem you seem to have in the USA is that you don't have proper >standards for these, or the standards are flaunted by the authorities. We do have standards, but they are _flouted_ by authorities. You have now been corrected on your use of the English language by an American. Time to go hang your head in shame. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > RLCs are GOOD. They mean that CRIMINALS who would happily KILL you because > they want to get somewhere quicker (the ULTIMATE MFFY) get fined and will > lose their licence if they're not careful. The ultimate MFFY by a politician are RLCs. > An excellent idea. If your motive is to raise money and decrease intersection safety, yes they are excellent at doing both. -------------------- Alex > > Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Graham Thanks, it had slipped my mind but it is the London zone that the clip was about. The fake plates appeared to be stiff, so something more than paper. Possibly those flexible magnets used for advertising? Or would they stick to the regular plate? Harry K Harry K <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in news:f52720c4-eaa5-421b-9d98- 3964a3a5d603@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com: > The fake plates appeared to be stiff, so something more than paper. > Possibly those flexible magnets used for advertising? Or would they > stick to the regular plate? > > Harry K I think lic.plates are still made from steel. IIRC,they rust. You could use vacuum-formed plastic,with magnets on the back. It sure signals INTENT to run RLs,though.No more "OOPS" claims. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > > The fake plates appeared to be stiff, so something more than paper. > > Possibly those flexible magnets used for advertising? Or would they [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I think lic.plates are still made from steel. Not here. Reflective plastic. They used to be aluminium decades ago but the requirement for reflectivity killed those off. Graham >I think lic.plates are still made from steel. IIRC,they rust. >You could use vacuum-formed plastic,with magnets on the back. > >It sure signals INTENT to run RLs,though.No more "OOPS" claims. It's a strict liability offense. Since intent doesn't matter, there's no point in disguising it. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > > > Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Possibly those flexible magnets used for advertising? Or would they > stick to the regular plate? The modern plates are made of plastic and are of a reflective white (front) or yellow (rear) material for the base. Magnets certainly won't help typically. I'd expect that a convincing copy would be quite hard to make. Paper certainly wouldn't do it and anyway they'd last no time before it rained. Graham Eeyore: > The modern plates are made of plastic and are of a reflective white (front) or > yellow (rear) material for the base. Magnets certainly won't help typically. > > I'd expect that a convincing copy would be quite hard to make. Paper certainly > wouldn't do it and anyway they'd last no time before it rained. Well, I think the idea is to put on the paper, "plate," Hopefully with the number of some prominent politician or other, "celebrety," in town, run the light, get photographed and then remove the, "plate," when a safe distance from the camera. You would probablly need to use thick cardboard or even a piece of plastic to give the paper enough rigidity to pull off the stunt. Signature"Dick Cheney and Colon Powell: Somebody is going to get f.cked in the a.s!" --George Carlin > Eeyore: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >cardboard or even a piece of plastic to give the paper enough rigidity >to pull off the stunt. I was thinking about a piece of plexiglas with a reflective surface behind it that looked to be similar in color to your state's tags, with a few clips for a quick mount/dismount from your existing tag. Then you could just print transparencies and drop it into that. I don't think I'd want to spend very much time driving around with a fake tag on the car, so I'd wait until I was reasonably close to where I wanted to work the magic, and mount it there. Obviously, I would remove it as soon as I was comfortable I was far enough away to not be associated with the events, and I definitely wouldn't do this on a regular basis. :-) Not that I've given the idea any thought, though. -- Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy > > Eeyore: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. > - Admiral Hyman Rickover, U.S. Navy You mean you don't know someone who can make up one at a small Halfords for you when no one is looking? (Sneaking the makings out the back door in the dark and picking them up later and makeing it later is not James Bond level.) it at home. > Eeyore: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > cardboard or even a piece of plastic to give the paper enough rigidity > to pull off the stunt. You'll need to be driving the same model and colour of car for that to work. They note these things AIUI. Graham > > Eeyore: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Graham Having been behind more than one desk pushing paper, I seriously doubt that the clerk mailing out the tickets pays much attention to "does that plate, match that car?". Maybe now that the underground is screwign with the system. Harry K >I'd expect that a convincing copy would be quite hard to make. Paper certainly >wouldn't do it and anyway they'd last no time before it rained. They only need to last long enough to run through a few red lights. Then they can (and should) be discarded before a cop sees them on your car. > >I'd expect that a convincing copy would be quite hard to make. Paper certainly > >wouldn't do it and anyway they'd last no time before it rained. > > They only need to last long enough to run through a few red lights. > Then they can (and should) be discarded before a cop sees them on your > car. As I said before, there is no culture of red light running in this country as some kind of sport (aside maybe from a few extreme MFFY types). Any small advantage it might offer (assuming an accident is avoided) would be lost by the time required to fit and then remove the fake plates. Graham >> >I'd expect that a convincing copy would be quite hard to make. Paper certainly >> >wouldn't do it and anyway they'd last no time before it rained. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Any small advantage it might offer (assuming an accident is avoided) would be lost >by the time required to fit and then remove the fake plates. As noted previously, you're completely missing the point of this subthread. Kindly (re-)read the following post before commenting further: Message-ID: <hv0lm359738tgkjh9mlvh68bj8pislhg2j@4ax.com> Eeyore: > As I said before, there is no culture of red light running in this country as some > kind of sport (aside maybe from a few extreme MFFY types). Nor is there one here. Now tampering with traffic signals inorder to increase revenue..... > Any small advantage it might offer (assuming an accident is avoided) would be lost > by the time required to fit and then remove the fake plates. Better yet, who checkes their license plate everytime they approach and enter their vehicle? Maybe instead of afficing the bogus plate to your car, affix it to someone else's (espicially if its the plate number of a promement politician or other, "pillar of the community). Sure it might take a while before the mark runs a light.... SignatureS&DDAM indicating that it runs red lights: "You're making a left turn right behind some semi or fedex or ups truck and you can't see the light but you follow the truck anyway while he slowly makes the left and when the light is finally visible to you it's red." --Speeders & Drunk Drivers Are MURDERERS, 8/8/07 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/26x4o2 Message ID: 13bl47n4ut7fib6@corp.supernews.com >The modern plates are made of plastic and are of a reflective white (front) or >yellow (rear) material for the base. Magnets certainly won't help typically. > >I'd expect that a convincing copy would be quite hard to make. Paper certainly >wouldn't do it and anyway they'd last no time before it rained. If you want a convincing copy, you can hand-carve one out of wood (after making the stencil on a computer). Or use one of several types of prototyping machines to make one out of plastic. Paint with reflective paint, which is commercially available. If you want something which will work for the red light cameras, paper is probably sufficient. Attach with tape. US plates are still made from metal, so magnets would work if you wanted to print plates on magnetic vinyl. Probably paper is a better idea; easier to destroy when done. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > > Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > To get a licence plate made one now has to provide proof of ownership > (registration document). It's been that way for some years now. Glad to hear that. I haven't had one made since one got smashed in an accident. I probably could have taped it up, considdring the condition of the car, but after repairs, it would have loked strange. > Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. Seems > someone is selling copies of license plates, all that is needed is to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Harry K I don't know about Britain, but getting caught with a fake plate isn't a good idea here in the states. Any little clues that give a plate away as a possible fake will attract the attention of the police. They may assume that the vehicle is stolen or otherwise involved in some serious crime. This assumes that they are paying attention. On second thought, go ahead and put a dummy plate on. Just don't pull into the donut shop parking lot with it. SignaturePaul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. >> Caught the last part of a segment on Bitains problem with RLC. Seems >> someone is selling copies of license plates, all that is needed is to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > On second thought, go ahead and put a dummy plate on. Just don't pull > into the donut shop parking lot with it. Given my observations, equipment and license plate violation enforcement seems to be driven by cop boredom and the expense of the vehicle.... Given the number of mercedes benz vehicles (more than all other makes combined) I see with multiple tail lamps out I can only guess that cops don't stop them. It's also more expensive vehicles that I see with expired tags as well. |
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