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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 29 Dec 2007 19:31 GMT
Snapped this some time back:

http://i15.tinypic.com/85ypw9g.jpg

Four entrances to the store this guy's doing business in, and he has
to completely block one of them off.

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Ashton Crusher - 29 Dec 2007 21:14 GMT
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
<drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:

>Snapped this some time back:
>
>http://i15.tinypic.com/85ypw9g.jpg
>
>Four entrances to the store this guy's doing business in, and he has
>to completely block one of them off.

Maybe it stopped running as he was leaving?
Scott in SoCal - 29 Dec 2007 22:54 GMT
>On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Maybe it stopped running as he was leaving?

See what I mean, Hector? :)
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 30 Dec 2007 06:58 GMT
>>On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>>Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>See what I mean, Hector? :)

I had no doubt. :-)

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Scott in SoCal - 29 Dec 2007 21:31 GMT
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
<drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:

>Snapped this some time back:
>
>http://i15.tinypic.com/85ypw9g.jpg
>
>Four entrances to the store this guy's doing business in, and he has
>to completely block one of them off.

Get ready for the apologists!

When I posted a couple of similar pictures not too long ago,

http://i18.tinypic.com/4dwun42.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/4cwcntf.jpg

I was offered all sorts of ridiculous excuses, such as "he must have
had a mechanical breakdown" or "it's hard to park along the curved
curb in a cul-de-sac" or "he's only blocking the sidewalk, part of the
street, and that family's driveway, what's the big deal?"

BTW, I saw another MFFY parker at the mall last night:

http://i19.tinypic.com/6z523pw.jpg

Believe me, I was *sorely* tempted to park in that first space to the
left of the hatched-out area, boxing this MFFY in, but I didn't want
this a.shole to damage my car in his attempts to escape.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 30 Dec 2007 20:19 GMT
>On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>curb in a cul-de-sac" or "he's only blocking the sidewalk, part of the
>street, and that family's driveway, what's the big deal?"

To a certain degree, I can side with them, if the MFFYers in question
are blocking driveways where they are visiting. Otherwise, the cars
should be impounded like the "ricers" seem to get from time to time.

>BTW, I saw another MFFY parker at the mall last night:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>left of the hatched-out area, boxing this MFFY in, but I didn't want
>this a.shole to damage my car in his attempts to escape.

I can imagine. That kind of crap makes me want to buy a mid-70's
bronco. :-)

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Nate Nagel - 30 Dec 2007 20:46 GMT
>>On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>>Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> I can imagine. That kind of crap makes me want to buy a mid-70's
> bronco. :-)

International Harvester Scout II.  Or, if you live in a rural area with
lots of space, a Travelall.

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 30 Dec 2007 20:56 GMT
>>>On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>>>Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>International Harvester Scout II.  Or, if you live in a rural area with
>lots of space, a Travelall.

Excellent suggestions; thanks!

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necromancer - 30 Dec 2007 22:31 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> >Believe me, I was *sorely* tempted to park in that first space to the
> >left of the hatched-out area, boxing this MFFY in, but I didn't want
> >this a.shole to damage my car in his attempts to escape.
>
> I can imagine. That kind of crap makes me want to buy a mid-70's
> bronco. :-)

I wouldn't mind having one of these to deal with idiot parkers. Though
day to day operations may be difficult with it.

http://tinyurl.com/2vq4n7

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 31 Dec 2007 01:09 GMT
> Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
>> >Believe me, I was *sorely* tempted to park in that first space to the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2vq4n7

I think with time, I could learn to adjust (and enjoy). :-)

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necromancer - 31 Dec 2007 05:19 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> >> >Believe me, I was *sorely* tempted to park in that first space to the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> I think with time, I could learn to adjust (and enjoy). :-)

Oh, the enjoyment would start immediately: when I put those forks
through the door/body of the idiot's truck and immediately transport and
deposit it into the nearest river.

Then there would be the joy of all the fear that necro and his forklift
would instill into the MFFY population.....

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 01 Jan 2008 17:03 GMT
> Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
>> > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>Then there would be the joy of all the fear that necro and his forklift
>would instill into the MFFY population.....

Well, I was thinking, if necro was going to pull a "falling down",
then perhaps hector could do one as well. You get yers going
northbound, er, westbound on I26, and I'll get mine going southbound,
er, eastbound on I26, and we'll lay waste to Columbia when we meet in
the middle.

After that rampage, we can trek north/west/whatever on I26 until we
get to the I85 corridor, at which point we'll flip for who gets
charlotte and who gets atlanta.

If we've still got time, we can make inroads into Floriduh. :-)

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Bill - 30 Dec 2007 21:14 GMT
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
> Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> left of the hatched-out area, boxing this MFFY in, but I didn't want
> this a.shole to damage my car in his attempts to escape.

So in what way was that car or it's driver in any way interfering with you
or your life? Or was it just the fact that the driver was thinking outside
of the box, so to speak, that annoyed you? He's not taking up two spaces
(heck, he's not taking up any spaces), he's no blocking anyone, and the
parking lot seems far from full. All I can gather from your post is that
you're a self-righteous, fascist prick who wakes up each day thinking "stay
within the line, stay within the lines...."

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Scott in SoCal - 31 Dec 2007 00:24 GMT
>> BTW, I saw another MFFY parker at the mall last night:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>So in what way was that car or it's driver in any way interfering with you
>or your life?

I never said he was interfering with my life. I said he was a MFFY.

>Or was it just the fact that the driver was thinking outside
>of the box, so to speak, that annoyed you?

We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
chaos ensues.

>He's not taking up two spaces
>(heck, he's not taking up any spaces),

That area was crosshatched off for a reason - probably because any
dumbass who parks there runs the risk of being blocked in if the two
adjacent legitimate spaces are occupied by large vehicles.

>he's no blocking anyone, and the parking lot seems far from full.

Indeed - which makes him even more of an a.s for parking in a
non-space when there are so many legitimate spaces available.

>All I can gather from your post is that
>you're a self-righteous, fascist prick who wakes up each day thinking "stay
>within the line, stay within the lines...."

What I gather from your post is that is your car in the picture.
Either that, or you regularly park like the folks on this page:

http://www.geocities.com/scottenaztlan/mffy.html
Brent P - 31 Dec 2007 01:22 GMT
> We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
> to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
> chaos ensues.

A law may or may not prevent chaos, a law could be the cause of it. Laws
that don't make a lick of sense like grossly underposted speed limits
cause a breakdown of respect for all laws.

In fact a reliance on government is where I think this MFFYism comes
from. People feel no problem treating other people like crap because
'only a cop' can stop them or tell them what to do. Also, since we
live in a society where there are so many laws, everyone is
breaking some sort of law the law also becomes meaningless. Instead of
treating people like they would like to be treated, they feel free to do
whatever won't get a cop to come down on them. Or they use ticky tacky
laws as a justification for their actions.
Scott in SoCal - 31 Dec 2007 03:26 GMT
>> We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>> to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>that don't make a lick of sense like grossly underposted speed limits
>cause a breakdown of respect for all laws.

So is that your explanation for why this MFFY parked his car in an
obvious non-parking-spot?
Brent P - 31 Dec 2007 06:19 GMT
>>> We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>>> to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> So is that your explanation for why this MFFY parked his car in an
> obvious non-parking-spot?

1) The government makes all sorts of idiotic no parking areas just to
collect revenue, much like speed limits. This erodes respect for legimate no
parking areas. Also people begin to think of it as just a tax as well.

2) There is no social correction. A cop or at least an agent of the
property owner has to see it for there to be any consquences to the car's
driver. It's just like these asshats who shoulder pass. They do it and
feel entitled to it because without a cop, there will be no consquences.
Someone will always let the shoulder passer back in and nobody was
willing to block this MFFY parker into the corner.

I suppose if the police actually worked for the people then things might
be different. But they don't work for us and haven't for a long time.
They work for government and government doesn't care if people are
a.sholes to each other. Actually it would prefer that because it is an
excuse for taking power and makes the people weaker. Anyway, the MFFY
parker is unlikely to be ticketed in an area that doesn't represent
enough money for government to waste its manpower on, nobody is going to
offer resistance, there are no social consquences, so he does it.
gpsman - 31 Dec 2007 04:34 GMT
> >> BTW, I saw another MFFY parker at the mall last night:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I never said he was interfering with my life. I said he was a MFFY.

Obviously had some impact on your life, you seem to practically insist
upon it.

> >Or was it just the fact that the driver was thinking outside
> >of the box, so to speak, that annoyed you?
>
> We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
> to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
> chaos ensues.

You seem to be implying the car is parked in violation of some rule or
law, without saying so, and without citing which rule or law.

> >He's not taking up two spaces
> >(heck, he's not taking up any spaces),
>
> That area was crosshatched off for a reason - probably because any
> dumbass who parks there runs the risk of being blocked in if the two
> adjacent legitimate spaces are occupied by large vehicles.

Occam's Razor; there isn't adequate area for another perpendicular
space.

> >he's no blocking anyone, and the parking lot seems far from full.
>
> Indeed - which makes him even more of an a.s for parking in a
> non-space when there are so many legitimate spaces available.

Maybe, but you don't know if it's been parked there for a minute, or a
week.

> >All I can gather from your post is that
> >you're a self-righteous, fascist prick who wakes up each day thinking "stay
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> http://www.geocities.com/scottenaztlan/mffy.html

Of course.  Anyone who might point out you don't know what the f.ck
you're talking about and that you assume all manner of facts you have
no method of learning must be "evil".

Yer an idiot.  Deal with it.
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 02 Jan 2008 02:30 GMT
>Of course.  Anyone who might point out you don't know what the f.ck
>you're talking about and that you assume all manner of facts you have
>no method of learning must be "evil".

Last I checked, he wasn't claiming to be a professional driving
instructor, telling people they had to stop their vehicles for parked
school buses.

>Yer an idiot.  Deal with it.

Advice you would be well served to take. :-)

I see you've already blown your resolution not to be a retard. Ah
well.

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Matthew T. Russotto - 31 Dec 2007 20:06 GMT
>We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
>chaos ensues.

The cry of every authoritarian from Draco on forward.
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Scott in SoCal - 01 Jan 2008 01:19 GMT
>>We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>>to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
>>chaos ensues.
>
>The cry of every authoritarian from Draco on forward.

Much to the chagrin of you Anarchists.
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Brent P - 01 Jan 2008 01:40 GMT
>>>We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>>>to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Much to the chagrin of you Anarchists.

(the state) "applies itself to loading everybody's brain with prejudices,
and everybody's heart with sentiments favorable to the spirit of disorder,
war, and hatred; so that, when a doctrine of order, peace, and comity
presents itself, it is in vain that it has clearness and truth on its
side; it cannot gain admittance." -Frederic Bastiat
Matthew T. Russotto - 01 Jan 2008 18:57 GMT
>>>We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>>>to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Much to the chagrin of you Anarchists.

Please, make that "anarchists", to capitalize "Anarchists" suggests
far more organization than is present.

(and I'm not one anyway)
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Scott in SoCal - 01 Jan 2008 19:30 GMT
>>>>We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>>>>to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>(and I'm not one anyway)

Sure sounds like it. Surely you wouldn't characterize those who obey
the law as "authoritarian Dracos" if you were one of them.
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Matthew T. Russotto - 01 Jan 2008 23:51 GMT
>>>>>We live in a society governed by rules and laws. When we allow people
>>>>>to violate those rules and laws then the social order breaks down and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Sure sounds like it. Surely you wouldn't characterize those who obey
>the law as "authoritarian Dracos" if you were one of them.

It's a false dilemma, Scott.  The choices are not between
authoritarianism and anarchy.  To oppose -- or even to violate, or
advocate violating -- a particular law is not to oppose rule of law.
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Scott in SoCal - 02 Jan 2008 14:33 GMT
>It's a false dilemma, Scott.  The choices are not between
>authoritarianism and anarchy.  To oppose -- or even to violate, or
>advocate violating -- a particular law is not to oppose rule of law.

So what is your rationale for violating the particular rule in
question (no parking zones)?
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Matthew T. Russotto - 02 Jan 2008 21:25 GMT
>>It's a false dilemma, Scott.  The choices are not between
>>authoritarianism and anarchy.  To oppose -- or even to violate, or
>>advocate violating -- a particular law is not to oppose rule of law.
>
>So what is your rationale for violating the particular rule in
>question (no parking zones)?

If I park in a no parking zone, it's because there's no practical and
legal place to park.  Of course, you likely consider it "practical" to
carry a 60" x 40" piece of framed (with glass) artwork 3-4 blocks down
a poorly-maintained sidewalk across several cross streets.  I don't.

In order to ensure a lack of parking, the city has had several streets marked
"temporary no parking zones" for several decades, and many of the legal
spots are typically filled with construction dumpsters and the like.
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Brent P - 02 Jan 2008 22:12 GMT
> In order to ensure a lack of parking, the city has had several streets marked
> "temporary no parking zones" for several decades, and many of the legal
> spots are typically filled with construction dumpsters and the like.

King Richard II has made at least one if not more temporary parking zones
become perm. no parking zones. At least the signage was changed. The idea
is to 'encourage transit use'. It's the usual try to make driving suck
more so it's sucks more than transit. Encouraging transit use would be
better and more useful transit service.

Under Richard II's reign, the local permit parking has blossomed. So now
when you find that space 3 blocks away, it will be by permit parking
only. (except for dumpsters)
necromancer - 03 Jan 2008 00:59 GMT
Brent P:

> > In order to ensure a lack of parking, the city has had several streets marked
> > "temporary no parking zones" for several decades, and many of the legal
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> when you find that space 3 blocks away, it will be by permit parking
> only. (except for dumpsters)

How can you stand living in Chicago?

For all my rants about living in the sticks, I'll take what I have over
an urban cesspool any day.

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Scott in SoCal - 03 Jan 2008 02:21 GMT
> Brent P:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>How can you stand living in Chicago?

I would love to live there if it weren't so goddamn COLD. Having all
sorts of things within easy walking distance is worth a LOT.

>For all my rants about living in the sticks, I'll take what I have over
>an urban cesspool any day.

I would rather live in Chicago that be utterly dependent on a persnoal
automobile for EVERY aspect of my life - especially now that oil has
topped $100/barrel.
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Matthew T. Russotto - 03 Jan 2008 02:30 GMT
>I would rather live in Chicago that be utterly dependent on a persnoal
>automobile for EVERY aspect of my life - especially now that oil has
>topped $100/barrel.

Better to be dependent on an automobile than subject to Mayor Daley.
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Brent P - 03 Jan 2008 06:19 GMT
>> Brent P:
>>>
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> automobile for EVERY aspect of my life - especially now that oil has
> topped $100/barrel.

You mean that the dollar has fallen to $100/bbl.

Gold passed $850/oz, silver is over $15/oz today. the dollar is falling,
not oil rising.
Brent P - 03 Jan 2008 06:18 GMT
>  Brent P:
>>
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>
> How can you stand living in Chicago?

I haven't lived in Daley's kingdom for over 10 years. Still go there
occasionally, like on NYE. (usually I just go through chicago) At least
they can keep the streets clear during a snow storm. I wish there was a
way to get suburban political office holders just as scared as the
reigme in chicago is of people on this topic.

> For all my rants about living in the sticks, I'll take what I have over
> an urban cesspool any day.
Scott in SoCal - 03 Jan 2008 02:18 GMT
>>>It's a false dilemma, Scott.  The choices are not between
>>>authoritarianism and anarchy.  To oppose -- or even to violate, or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>If I park in a no parking zone, it's because there's no practical and
>legal place to park.

Not the case here. There are plenty of empty *legal* spaces plainly
visible in the photograph.

So once again I ask you: on what basis can you defend what this MFFY
did?
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Matthew T. Russotto - 03 Jan 2008 02:29 GMT
>>>>It's a false dilemma, Scott.  The choices are not between
>>>>authoritarianism and anarchy.  To oppose -- or even to violate, or
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>So once again I ask you: on what basis can you defend what this MFFY
>did?

If you're referring to the guy blocking half the entrance to a parking
lot when there's several spots visible right behind him, I'm not
defending him; he's a moron, unless gpstroll is right and his truck
just happened to break down right there (fat chance).  I am, however,
opposing the principle that following the law is always the right thing to do.
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 04 Jan 2008 04:09 GMT
>I am, however,
>opposing the principle that following the law is always the right thing to do.

Not meaning to sound like an smart-a.s, but that SHOULD be common
sense, in my opinion. "Legal" and "right" are not synonyms, and for
that matter, neither is "safety," but I digress. That people believe
otherwise, to me, is indicative of a problem with the educational
system. Whether that problem is the teachers or the pupils I'm unsure,
but the evidence of the problem is there.

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Matthew T. Russotto - 06 Jan 2008 22:09 GMT
>>I am, however,
>>opposing the principle that following the law is always the right thing to do.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>system. Whether that problem is the teachers or the pupils I'm unsure,
>but the evidence of the problem is there.

Control freaks have been with us always, both the type who want to
control everything and the more common type who just want
everything to be controlled.  It's a problem that these people are in
charge of the "educational system", but I don't think the educational
system causes these people to exist.
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Scott in SoCal - 07 Jan 2008 01:54 GMT
>>>I am, however,
>>>opposing the principle that following the law is always the right thing to do.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>control everything and the more common type who just want
>everything to be controlled.

What's wrong with expecting people to control themselves and act like
civilized human beings instead of MFFY animals? The reason we have
laws in the first place is because not everyone is willing to do that.
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Brent P - 07 Jan 2008 02:06 GMT
>>>>I am, however,
>>>>opposing the principle that following the law is always the right thing to do.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> civilized human beings instead of MFFY animals? The reason we have
> laws in the first place is because not everyone is willing to do that.

All these controlling laws are counter productive. People behaved more
civilized before all the laws and the reliance on government enforcement.

The problem is a lack of social correction. It's so bad that the person
who objects to the rude behavior is now considered to be the bigger problem.
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 31 Dec 2007 01:11 GMT
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>> Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>or your life? Or was it just the fact that the driver was thinking outside
>of the box, so to speak, that annoyed you? He's not taking up two spaces

There's "thinking outside the box", and then there's just plain
"stupid." Do you think parking a vehicle illegally, in such a manner
that you could easily be blocked in, is an intelligent thought
process? Thank God I'm not a member of your family tree.

>(heck, he's not taking up any spaces), he's no blocking anyone, and the
>parking lot seems far from full. All I can gather from your post is that
>you're a self-righteous, fascist prick who wakes up each day thinking "stay
>within the line, stay within the lines...."

You should try doing a little more reading before making yourself look
like an idiot.

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gpsman - 31 Dec 2007 05:19 GMT
On Dec 30, 8:11 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:

> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
> >> Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> that you could easily be blocked in, is an intelligent thought
> process?

Which law is being violated?

> >(heck, he's not taking up any spaces), he's no blocking anyone, and the
> >parking lot seems far from full. All I can gather from your post is that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You should try doing a little more reading before making yourself look
> like an idiot.

You seem to assume (surprise!), incorrectly, that that has assisted
you.
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Larry Bud - 31 Dec 2007 13:21 GMT
> Which law is being violated?

So you think that anything that you can do with a car, as long as it's
legal, is OK to do?

Of course this a.shole is blocking the entrance.  The way he's parked,
two cars can't enter and exit at the same time as they normally would
do.
Bill - 31 Dec 2007 18:57 GMT
>> Which law is being violated?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> two cars can't enter and exit at the same time as they normally would
> do.

You're looking at the wrong picture. We're discussing
http://i19.tinypic.com/6z523pw.jpg
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 01 Jan 2008 16:49 GMT
>On Dec 30, 8:11 pm, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver
>(Hector Goldstein)" <drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
>Which law is being violated?

I dunno; perhaps the one about passing a parked school bus, o
masterful driving instructor? lmao.

>> >(heck, he's not taking up any spaces), he's no blocking anyone, and the
>> >parking lot seems far from full. All I can gather from your post is that
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>You seem to assume (surprise!), incorrectly, that that has assisted
>you.

That comment might bother me, if it came from someone who had proven
they weren't a moron.

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Scott in SoCal - 01 Jan 2008 19:46 GMT
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:49:46 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
<drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:

>GPSTroll's tired refrain:

>>Which law is being violated?
>
>I dunno; perhaps the one about passing a parked school bus, o
>masterful driving instructor? lmao.

So by now we know that GPSTroll thinks that any behavior is OK as long
as it doesn't violate any laws. Want to park in the middle of the
aisle in a parking lot? No problem - after all, in most states, the
vehicle code does not apply on private property, so feel free to do
whatever you want!

Here's another case where great harm was done but no actual laws were
broken. No doubt GPSTroll fully supports what this woman did. And,
since it's pretty likely that GPSTroll has children of his own (his
previous nym was MidnightDad), it would be true poetic justice if some
similar *legal* fate befalls one of HIS kids.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/28hoax.html

A Hoax Turned Fatal Draws Anger but No Charges

By CHRISTOPHER MAAG
Published: November 28, 2007

DARDENNE PRAIRIE, Mo., Nov. 21 — Megan Meier died believing that
somewhere in this world lived a boy named Josh Evans who hated her. He
was 16, owned a pet snake, and she thought he was the cutest boyfriend
she ever had.

Josh contacted Megan through her page on MySpace.com, the social
networking Web site, said Megan’s mother, Tina Meier. They flirted for
weeks, but only online — Josh said his family had no phone. On Oct.
15, 2006, Josh suddenly turned mean. He called Megan names, and later
they traded insults for an hour.

The next day, in his final message, said Megan’s father, Ron Meier,
Josh wrote, “The world would be a better place without you.”

Sobbing, Megan ran into her bedroom closet. Her mother found her
there, hanging from a belt. She was 13.

Six weeks after Megan’s death, her parents learned that Josh Evans
never existed. He was an online character created by Lori Drew, then
47, who lived four houses down the street in this rapidly growing
community 35 miles northwest of St. Louis.

That an adult would plot such a cruel hoax against a 13-year-old girl
has drawn outraged phone calls, e-mail messages and blog posts from
around the world. Many people expressed anger because St. Charles
County officials did not charge Ms. Drew with a crime.

But a St. Charles County Sheriff’s Department spokesman, Lt. Craig
McGuire, said that what Ms. Drew did “might’ve been rude, it might’ve
been immature, but it wasn’t illegal.”

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 01 Jan 2008 23:23 GMT
>>I dunno; perhaps the one about passing a parked school bus, o
>>masterful driving instructor? lmao.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>previous nym was MidnightDad), it would be true poetic justice if some
>similar *legal* fate befalls one of HIS kids.

I dunno, "MidnightDad" sounds fitting for some loser who's picked up
the role of "father" for some else's little squirt. It's difficult to
believe someone would be desperate enough to consummate a relationship
with gpstard, much less procreate with him. That's got to be one
hideously ugly, er, woman.

>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/28hoax.html
>
>A Hoax Turned Fatal Draws Anger but No Charges

Caught that earlier; that's fouled.

Why people like that are allowed to breath U.S. oxygen is beyond me.

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Scott in SoCal - 02 Jan 2008 15:04 GMT
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:23:46 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
<drunk_and_distracted@the_wheel.com> wrote:

>I dunno, "MidnightDad" sounds fitting for some loser who's picked up
>the role of "father" for some else's little squirt. It's difficult to
>believe someone would be desperate enough to consummate a relationship
>with gpstard, much less procreate with him. That's got to be one
>hideously ugly, er, woman.

As the local Harley-Davidson dealer likes to say, "There's an a.s for
every seat."

>>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/28hoax.html
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Why people like that are allowed to breath U.S. oxygen is beyond me.

You were wondering what kind of woman who would coupulate with
GPSTard? I think you might have your answer...
gpsman - 02 Jan 2008 05:45 GMT
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:49:46 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
> Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> vehicle code does not apply on private property, so feel free to do
> whatever you want!

<spit take>  You have no support for your assertion, as usual, so
let's just change the subject to gpsman and pretend asking for it was
unreasonable, and extrapolate from that that gpsman is unreasonable.

Why not just address the question?

> Here's another case where great harm was done but no actual laws were
> broken. No doubt GPSTroll fully supports what this woman did.

Wow, twice in the same post.  I guess that allows me an additional
question:

Which rule or law was being violated?

How did you determine the vehicle did not belong to the property
owner?

And, if you would be so kind, what is it about the sound of your
keyboard that makes looking like an idiot worth it, and why do you
think you can't stop?
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Bill - 31 Dec 2007 18:55 GMT
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>>> Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> that you could easily be blocked in, is an intelligent thought
> process? Thank God I'm not a member of your family tree.

How is the car parked illegally? It appears to be on private property, and I
don't see it parked in a designated fire lane. Perhaps the laws in your area
are different, but I don't see any laws being broken.

Please provide the statute that us being broken here.

- B
Garth Almgren - 01 Jan 2008 01:02 GMT
> > There's "thinking outside the box", and then there's just plain
> > "stupid." Do you think parking a vehicle illegally, in such a manner
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> don't see it parked in a designated fire lane. Perhaps the laws in your area
> are different, but I don't see any laws being broken.

Does it matter if any laws are being broken? Is "legal or illegal"
your sole gauge of right and wrong?

It *may* not be parked illegally, depending on local laws, but it is
parked improperly and (IMNSHO) very rudely.

As you mention, it appears to be private property. The property owner
has clearly indicated that they do not want anyone parking in that
space, and thus has every right to have the offending vehicle towed. I
would not be surprised to see signs to that effect posted.

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Scott in SoCal - 01 Jan 2008 01:20 GMT
>> > There's "thinking outside the box", and then there's just plain
>> > "stupid." Do you think parking a vehicle illegally, in such a manner
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Does it matter if any laws are being broken? Is "legal or illegal"
>your sole gauge of right and wrong?

Has GPSTroll nymshifted again?
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Garth Almgren - 01 Jan 2008 05:31 GMT
>>>> There's "thinking outside the box", and then there's just plain
>>>> "stupid." Do you think parking a vehicle illegally, in such a manner
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Has GPSTroll nymshifted again?

If not, Bill is doing a great gpstroll impression...

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gpsman - 01 Jan 2008 04:05 GMT
> > > There's "thinking outside the box", and then there's just plain
> > > "stupid." Do you think parking a vehicle illegally, in such a manner
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Does it matter if any laws are being broken? Is "legal or illegal"
> your sole gauge of right and wrong?

The premise of it being "wrong" due to a violation of rule or law was
forwarded by another.  After that point the question of which law was
being violated was raised... but has not yet been answered by the
person who forwarded it.

The question has met with some ridiculous extrapolations regarding the
senses of "right or wrong" of the enquirers, but those who have so
extrapolated seem to have little if any interest in the actual facts
of the matter.

> It *may* not be parked illegally, depending on local laws, but it is
> parked improperly and (IMNSHO) very rudely.

Take it up over at alt.missmanners.parking and report back.

> As you mention, it appears to be private property. The property owner
> has clearly indicated that they do not want anyone parking in that
> space, and thus has every right to have the offending vehicle towed.

Uh huh.  And you determined the vehicle does not belong to the
property owner... or his family member... or his authorized agent....
how, exactly...?

> ~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
> Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
> ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
>                                            --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

Your sig conflicts with your post, as is so often the case in r.a.d.
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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 01 Jan 2008 16:49 GMT
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:31:14 -0500, "Murderous Speeding Drunken
>>>> Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)"
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
>Please provide the statute that us being broken here.

It's not an issue of legal; it's an issue of intelligent. Little
surprise you can't make the distinction.

Parking in such a way is just begging to be blocked in if the parking
facility became filled to capacity.

Personally, I wouldn't give a sh.t about the retard who self-blocked
their car in the corner; I merely block them in as I've done other
such morons in the past. It's quite satisfying it is to come out to
your vehicle and see some idiot sitting in theirs, *waiting* for
someone to let them out because of their ineptitude. Indeed, there are
some stores I frequent because this type of parking occurs more
frequently, and I enjoy being a prick.

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necromancer - 30 Dec 2007 04:56 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):

> Snapped this some time back:
>
> http://i15.tinypic.com/85ypw9g.jpg
>
> Four entrances to the store this guy's doing business in, and he has
> to completely block one of them off.

MAybe he realised the forgot his brains and ran back in to see if he
left them in the store?   ;)

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 30 Dec 2007 20:19 GMT
> Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>MAybe he realised the forgot his brains and ran back in to see if he
>left them in the store?   ;)

I'm pretty sure he lost them long before he got to the store. :-)

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necromancer - 31 Dec 2007 05:14 GMT
Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I'm pretty sure he lost them long before he got to the store. :-)

Probablly took him/her this long to realize it. ;-P

BTW, was it a rather foggy day when you took the photo?  ;)

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Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) - 01 Jan 2008 16:57 GMT
> Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
>> > Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein):
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Probablly took him/her this long to realize it. ;-P

Makes sense.

>BTW, was it a rather foggy day when you took the photo?  ;)

Thank heavens! I thought I was so hung over it transferred to the
photo. :-)

We get perhaps one or two days out of the week where we'll have fog
like this early in the morning for a short period. On occasion, it's
thick enough that it blocks out the view from the top of the tower. On
other, rarer occasions, the cloud level is low enough that the tower
protrudes above it, and you get some fairly interesting photo
opportunities from that.

Happy New Year!

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