I was heading out to do some errands today, almost had a collision happen
right next to me. Interesting circumstances, so I thought I would post this
one for the group. My road, Park Rd. in Westbrook, Maine for any other locals,
ends at a "T" intersection with another road, Cumberland St. Both roads have
fairly heavy commuter traffic. There is a stop sign on Park Rd, Cumberland St.
is straight through. This can result in a bit of a wait to pull out at rush
hour. Such was the situation today - it was 4pm, I was the first car in line,
heavy cross traffic in both directions, probably 4-5 cars waiting behind me.
Now, this intersection has a slight complication in that there is a railroad
overpass almost immediately to the left, and the very end of Park Rd is a
steep downgrade, as is the cross street to go under the railroad bridge. So if
you have passed under the bridge approaching the right turn onto Park Rd.,
there is very little visibility into the lane you are turning into. Normally,
not a problem, there is nothing to see there anyway, you are turning right,
going up a short, steep hill with no driveways or anything on either side
until you crest the hill.
Today things got interesting - a fire truck came screaming up behind the line
of cars waiting at the intersection, full lights and sirens. The 5-6 of us in
line had absolutely nowhere to go to get out of the way, so everyone stayed
put. The fire truck proceeded to come screaming down the hill on the wrong
side of the road, passing all the cars. I'm thinking - oh dear, hope noone
comes around the corner. Sure enough, a big SUV does exactly that. Thankfully,
the road was both well sanded and temps were above freezing - the firetruck
and the SUV stopped nose to nose with about six inches to spare! Immediately
next to my driver's side door! VERY exciting for all parties, I assure you! Of
course there were cars behind the SUV, so she couldn't go anywhere - I, and
the car behind me turned right on Cumberland and got out of the way, making
enough room for the fire truck to manuever around and go left. This was
possible because the SUV and car behind were blocking Cumberland St. traffic
at this point.
Poses an interesting question - in my opinion, the SUV driver was driving
perfectly responsibly - she was going a very modest speed in turning onto Park
Rd. (and not on the phone!!) I think that if she heard the siren, there is no
way of knowing where it was coming from in that environment. Absolutely no way
she could see the fire truck until she made the turn. On the other hand,
emergency vehicles have near absolute right-of-way in Maine. Still, seems like
the fire truck driver was being not so bright in what he did into a nearly
blind intersection.
Certainly the situation made me think - I would probably have been going
considerably faster around the corner, though I like to think I would also be
trying to figure out where the siren was coming from.
Anyway, food for thought....
Kevin Rhodes
Westbrook, Maine
Sundry European stuff in the garage.
Scott in SoCal - 03 Jan 2008 03:18 GMT
>I was heading out to do some errands today, almost had a collision happen
>right next to me. Interesting circumstances, so I thought I would post this
>one for the group. My road, Park Rd. in Westbrook, Maine for any other locals,
>ends at a "T" intersection with another road, Cumberland St.
I looked at that intersection in Google Earth - it looks like the view
is blocked by a bunch of trees.
>Today things got interesting - a fire truck came screaming up behind the line
>of cars waiting at the intersection, full lights and sirens. The 5-6 of us in
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>next to my driver's side door! VERY exciting for all parties, I assure you! Of
>course there were cars behind the SUV, so she couldn't go anywhere
Stupid c.nt overdrove her sight line. She deserved to get a ticket at
the very least.
>Certainly the situation made me think - I would probably have been going
>considerably faster around the corner
Then you would be even stupider than she was. NEVER overdrive your
ability to see!!

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spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 03 Jan 2008 14:02 GMT
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:14:25 GMT, Krho...@maine.nospam.rr.com (Kevin
>
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> http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/reaction_forma...
I'd say the fact she was able to stop before hitting the fire truck
coming at her is proof she *didn't* drive too fast.
Dave
Scott in SoCal - 03 Jan 2008 15:23 GMT
>> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:14:25 GMT, Krho...@maine.nospam.rr.com (Kevin
>>
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>> Stupid c.nt overdrove her sight line. She deserved to get a ticket at
>> the very least.
>I'd say the fact she was able to stop before hitting the fire truck
>coming at her is proof she *didn't* drive too fast.
Pure luck. If it weren't for the sand on the road (which she could not
see) she would have slid right into that firetruck.

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something unacceptable by adopting an opposite stance. For example
the gay person who [...] may be concealing their homosexual reality.
This may be a conscious concealment but also may well occur at the subconscious level such
that they do not realize the real cause of their behavior. Reaction Formation thus can turn
homosexual tendencies (love men) to homophobic ones (hate men).
Freud called the exaggerated compensation that can appear in Reaction Formation
overboarding as the person is going overboard in one direction to distract from and cover
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spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 03 Jan 2008 17:51 GMT
> >> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:14:25 GMT, Krho...@maine.nospam.rr.com (Kevin
>
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> http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/reaction_forma...
Of course, there's no way she could have taken into account the fact
the road was sanded... silly me.
Dave
Scott in SoCal - 04 Jan 2008 02:49 GMT
>Of course, there's no way she could have taken into account the fact
>the road was sanded... silly me.
Unless she had X-ray vision, she could not possibly have seen around
the corner. If that were possible, then the firetruck itself would
also have been directly visible and she would never have made the turn
in the first place.
OTOH, the emergency lights from the firetruck would have reflected off
of everything in the area, and should have tipped her off as to the
probably location of the firetruck - clues which this dumb c.nt
apparently failed to interpret.

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A cause of Reaction Formation is when a person seeks to cover up
something unacceptable by adopting an opposite stance. For example
the gay person who [...] may be concealing their homosexual reality.
This may be a conscious concealment but also may well occur at the subconscious level such
that they do not realize the real cause of their behavior. Reaction Formation thus can turn
homosexual tendencies (love men) to homophobic ones (hate men).
Freud called the exaggerated compensation that can appear in Reaction Formation
overboarding as the person is going overboard in one direction to distract from and cover
up something unwanted in the other direction [...]
http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/reaction_formation.htm
spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com - 04 Jan 2008 14:27 GMT
> >Of course, there's no way she could have taken into account the fact
> >the road was sanded... silly me.
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> http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/reaction_forma...
No, she could have seen the 1st part of the road that she was about to
drive on, assuming she was a competent driver and not lucky. Even
constructing a maximally blind corner, you can see the next little bit
of road and can gauge conditions.
The reflected lights from the fire truck would have been visible?
Really? You omnipotence stuns me.
Dave
DanKMTB@gmail.com - 03 Jan 2008 15:24 GMT
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:14:25 GMT, Krho...@maine.nospam.rr.com (Kevin
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> http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/reaction_forma...
Dolt. She did not overdrive her sight line, proven by the fact that
both vehicles stopped without a collision. Even if they had collided
that still would not be proof she overdrove her sight line, since the
fire truck was on the wrong side of the road and coming toward her.
Not overdriving one's sight line does not include allowing for wrong
way traffic coming straight at you in your lane. If she had been
driving 1mph, and the fire truck had been doing 60, there still could
have been a collision. Would she still be "overdriving her sight
line" in your opinion?
Scott in SoCal - 04 Jan 2008 02:51 GMT
>> Stupid c.nt overdrove her sight line. She deserved to get a ticket at
>> the very least.
>
>Dolt. She did not overdrive her sight line, proven by the fact that
>both vehicles stopped without a collision.
It proves only that she was extremely lucky.
P.S. Only a dolt refuses to properly trim his quotes.

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something unacceptable by adopting an opposite stance. For example
the gay person who [...] may be concealing their homosexual reality.
This may be a conscious concealment but also may well occur at the subconscious level such
that they do not realize the real cause of their behavior. Reaction Formation thus can turn
homosexual tendencies (love men) to homophobic ones (hate men).
Freud called the exaggerated compensation that can appear in Reaction Formation
overboarding as the person is going overboard in one direction to distract from and cover
up something unwanted in the other direction [...]
http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/reaction_formation.htm
ChrisCoaster - 04 Jan 2008 15:33 GMT
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:14:25 GMT, Krho...@maine.nospam.rr.com (Kevin
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America comes not from overseas, but from women driving SUVS!
-CC
John B. - 03 Jan 2008 20:27 GMT
> I was heading out to do some errands today, almost had a collision happen
> right next to me. Interesting circumstances, so I thought I would post this
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> Westbrook, Maine
> Sundry European stuff in the garage.
It also sounds like your line of vehicles not moving could've been a
contributing factor as well. Upon hearing a siren, I usually look for signs
to determine which way it's coming from. If I see cars pulling over and
getting out of the way, that's usually a pretty good indication. As your
line couldn't do that, it looked "normal" to anyone approaching the
intersection.
I'd say no one is at fault here and it was merely a (bad) timing issue.
Given the situation, it sounds as if BOTH drivers averted a possible mess.
And from the sound of it, you'd be included by just being so close. A
definite "Phew!" for sure!
John B.
Ad absurdum per aspera - 04 Jan 2008 18:58 GMT
> I think that if she heard the siren, there is no
> way of knowing where it was coming from in that environment. Absolutely no way
> she could see the fire truck until she made the turn.
I think that if you hear a loud and thus nearby siren and can't see
where it's coming from, you sit tight until you know more, and think
of where you might go in order to give way when you do see it (unless
of course the answer is "continue standing still"). And that if you
are at a partly blind intersection, and hear a loud nearby siren, you
might be able to surmise where it *must* be coming from.
> the fire truck driver was being not so bright in what he did into a nearly
> blind intersection.
Emergency vehicle drivers sometimes go too too aggressively for
traffic, weather, and road conditions, just like the rest of us.
They might not get a lot of practice driving a heavy truck or engine
on a particularly nasty bit of road in marginal conditions either.
Driving these very heavy vehicles around on a nice day, as they do in
order to maintain proficiency and familiarity with the area and to
keep 'em running right, is not quite the same as pelting down a bad
road in traffic like, well, a house on fire. (Which of course is part
of the reason why emergency vehicles have the near absolute right of
way that you mentioned. People could be dying while they stop and get
going again... if they *can* stop in time.)
To digress a bit, I like to treat a sanded road just a bit warily
anyway, so I can recover in time if I find the spot they missed -- or
the guy coming the other way finds it. Sanding or salting tells you
that conditions were recently bad, could become bad again, or might
still be bad in spots.
These days they should prudently leave themselves a cushion and an out
in case people don't yield to them, even under good conditions. I see
this all too often.
As with a lot of close calls, either party could have done something
better -- but the question I keep coming back to is, why did the SUV
driver enter the intersection when the siren, and presumably the
Really Loud Distinctive Horn, made it clear that there was something
going on in the immediate vicinity? One can think of some actual
excuses (a profoundly deaf driver, maybe). But prudence would seem to
indicate either staying put or slowly and carefully and very very
watchfully inching forth into a place of better sight lines, if you
could hear the siren.
Other drivers in the immediate vicinity (presumably also able to hear
a nearby siren from an unseen source) might also ponder whether they
played supporting roles in this near disaster movie by crowding
forward and giving the leading lady nowhere to go.
Live and learn,
--Joe