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necromancer - 03 Jan 2008 16:03 GMT

Finally got around to doing some updates to www.coastalgeorgiaroads.net
and uploading the images and the pages:

You can either use the link above to the main page or the links below to
the individual pages.

First is the FJ Torras Causeway that runs from Brunswick to St. Simons
Island across the Marshes of Glynn:

http://www.coastalgeorgiaroads.net/ssi-cswy/index.html

Next is GA25-Spur that runs from IH95 to US17/GA25:

http://www.coastalgeorgiaroads.net/GA25-Spur/index.html

And last is US25/Gloucester St in Downtown Brunswick (not sure if I
announced this one previously or not):

http://www.coastalgeorgiaroads.net/gloucester_st/index.html

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XOZ - 06 Jan 2008 04:29 GMT

On Jan 3, 11:03 am, necromancer

> Finally got around to doing some updates towww.coastalgeorgiaroads.net
> and uploading the images and the pages:
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> S eeing
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This finally answered my question on Torras...Georgia not signing
state highways with any sign is pretty rare and unheard of with routes
that long. Considering how confusing the system already is with all
the nutty banner routes, they ought to leave more routes unsigned and
just assign them some useless four digit number. If they did that,
maybe more roads that actually need to be state highways would be
designated. On GA 25 Spur...I think that route should be redesignated
GA 395. It is obviously designed for potential upgrade to freeway if
needed and it's a spur of I-95. In addition, there are WAY too many
roads designated "25" in that area. Look at this on my site and see
if you don't agree this makes driving there much easier (it's based on
a major renumbering plan I created):

http://psr.southeastroads.com/mapclips/brunswick_small.gif
http://psr.southeastroads.com/mapclips/brunswick_nochange_small.gif
(for everyone else, the mess it is now)
http://psr.southeastroads.com/proposals_renumbering.htm

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necromancer - 06 Jan 2008 05:57 GMT

XOZ:

> This finally answered my question on Torras...Georgia not signing
> state highways with any sign is pretty rare and unheard of with routes
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> maybe more roads that actually need to be state highways would be
> designated.

I agree with your point there. The excessive bannering sometimes can be
a little confusing. In a couple of months or so, I'll do a short
photoset on the other signed GA25-Spur in the area (running from IH95's
Exit 14 to Woodbine).

> On GA 25 Spur...I think that route should be redesignated
> GA 395. It is obviously designed for potential upgrade to freeway if
> needed and it's a spur of I-95.

It wouldn't surprise me to see that happen (the freeway upgrade) in the
next decade or so. Especially if the oft discussed 2nd causeway to St.
Simons Island ever comes to be.

> In addition, there are WAY too many
> roads designated "25" in that area. Look at this on my site and see
> if you don't agree this makes driving there much easier (it's based on
> a major renumbering plan I created):

I would tend to agree, except that if you asked many of the locals where
US25 is, they would probablly have no idea what you were referring to.
The multiplexed part of US341/25 is almost universally referred to as
US341; even its street names - Newcastle St/Norwich St. Extension (south
of GA303) and New Jesup Highway (north of GA303) - are rarely used
locally. Even on the street signs, 341 will take precidence like in this
photo from the GA303 page: http://tinyurl.com/2plg8r)

> http://psr.southeastroads.com/mapclips/brunswick_small.gif
> http://psr.southeastroads.com/mapclips/brunswick_nochange_small.gif
> (for everyone else, the mess it is now)
> http://psr.southeastroads.com/proposals_renumbering.htm

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XOZ - 06 Jan 2008 06:20 GMT

> I agree with your point there. The excessive bannering sometimes can be
> a little confusing. In a couple of months or so, I'll do a short
> photoset on the other signed GA25-Spur in the area (running from IH95's
> Exit 14 to Woodbine).

Sweet! My number for that road: GA 398. I am planning to do my own
GA 25 page sometime in the future. I have an incomplete US 25 page
right now.

I'm sure that will be a toll road LOL. Is St. Simons that severely
crowded now or is that just to bring growth? Also, off the subject,
is that old completely unmodified from the 80's Del Taco still there
(or did they update it)? It's nice to see GDOT was forward thinking
with 25 Spur (except the number). It should already be I-95 Business
Spur.

> I would tend to agree, except that if you asked many of the locals where
> US25 is, they would probablly have no idea what you were referring to.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> locally. Even on the street signs, 341 will take precidence like in this
> photo from the GA303 page:http://tinyurl.com/2plg8r)

You can really tell that someone is from out of the area with the
kooky way that every road is dualized. Being from Georgia, I knew
very well that the road was "US 341" simply because it's a fatter
number that is exclusive to the state. US 25 is too superficial and
national when there's a more personal "US 341"...and remember it has
"41" in it...a rule of thumb in Georgia. If you have two US routes
and one is "x41", rest assured you should ignore the other. If GA 121
became US 121 (good idea considering it is in three states), you
wouldn't even need to have US 25 in Georgia, and quite frankly it
should die just like worthless US 23 and, unfortunately considering
the cool number, US 76. Most US routes in North GA tend to be trumped
by their respective state overlap. GA 316, 400 and 365 are classic.
If you say "US 29" they will direct you to Old US 29, "US 19" they
will have no earthly clue and "US 23" and nowhere in the entire state
will they know what you are talking about except along OLD US 23
between Cornelia and Baldwin. US 123...not much point in it even
being there.

Don't forget GA 42 and 87...the overlaps of US 23 that are even signed
on street name signs as simply "Highway 42" and "Highway 87". Either
Georgia should kill the state overlaps, kill most of the US routes or
both to make this state work. And the banner routes...while they're
useful in some situations they are completely out of hand. I deal
regularly with "Old Highway 5", "Business 5", "Connector 5" and "Spur
5" where I have to selectively choose between route numbers or local
names. Giving directions is very difficult. And guess which road
everybody calls "Highway 5"? Clue: it hasn't been GA 5 in over 20
years.

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necromancer - 06 Jan 2008 06:39 GMT

XOZ:

> I'm sure that will be a toll road LOL. Is St. Simons that severely
> crowded now or is that just to bring growth? Also, off the subject,

SSI is getting rather crowded. If you haven't been there in a few years,
you wouldn't recognise parts of it now. The Village area is pretty much
the same, but get away from there and the Island has seen explosive
growth the last few years. Most of the talk of the 2nd causeway comes
during hurricane season and about how to get all those people off the
island in an evacuation. The last I had heard of it, they were talking
of running the new causeway from Fourth St (just south of GA25-Spur and
US17) to Sea Island Road where that curve to the east is. Why they can't
just run it from the end of GA25-Spur to Sea Island Rd, upgrade The Spur
to Interstate standards and designate it IH395 is beyond me.

> is that old completely unmodified from the 80's Del Taco still there
> (or did they update it)? It's nice to see GDOT was forward thinking
> with 25 Spur (except the number). It should already be I-95 Business
> Spur.

I'll have to check and see next time I'm over there. I'll try to get a
few pics also. Frederica Road I think would make for a nice photo set -
especially north of the airport area where there are a couple of
roundabouts on the road.

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