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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / January 2008Why not have yellow lights with a descending number sequence
Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 seconds and go 5-4-3-2-1 red. I never have any trouble obeying stoplights but a lot of idiots seem to and using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid running a red. On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that > ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid > running a red. It probably wouldn't be as visible from a distance, so you'd probably need an extra area for displaying the countdown while retaining the yellow ball. Some other countries have this already, like Saudi Arabia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Khobarhires.JPG . So the idea has merit. -S. >On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Arabia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Khobarhires.JPG . So the >idea has merit. I already use the countdown timer on the pedestrian crossing indicator to judge how long I've got to get through a given intersection. Usually I can see this at least half a block away. -- Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. >>On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" >><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > to judge how long I've got to get through a given intersection. > Usually I can see this at least half a block away. That works well when you have them; I've only seen those in urban areas in places where the lights have recently been updated, however. Setting the yellow light timing per MUTCD guidelines ought to be sufficient, but jurisdictions frequently succumb to the temptation of easy money from RLCs. nate  Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel <snip> >> I already use the countdown timer on the pedestrian crossing indicator >> to judge how long I've got to get through a given intersection. >> Usually I can see this at least half a block away. > >That works well when you have them; I've only seen those in urban areas >in places where the lights have recently been updated, however. Even without the countdown timers, the pedestrian markers at most intersections will indicate a "cease crossing" status due to the velocity differential between pedestrian and motorized traffic. >Setting the yellow light timing per MUTCD guidelines ought to be >sufficient, but jurisdictions frequently succumb to the temptation of >easy money from RLCs. That would work, but when RLC cameras (and the Government) are involved, I would not hold my breath. I prefer to take a more proactive approach. -- This temporary .sig is to identify myself, as a nym shift has occurred. In the past, I have spent time pursuing certain trolls around, and have decided this is no longer an activity I wish to waste my time on. As such, I have kill filed R.A.D.'s two main trolls. Thus, I am retiring the 'adaptive' nyms I have generated in response to "Aunt Judy"'s nym shifts. These have included, but not been limited to: Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) Ted Kennedy Murdered His Pregnant Mistress (and many variants) >>On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" >><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >to judge how long I've got to get through a given intersection. >Usually I can see this at least half a block away. Yeah so here you are always mouthing off about the wrongs of others, and you do it yourself. Actually, in most areas, if you watch the crosswalk lights enough, they will begin to blink when it's about to change. So half a block away you probably don't have the time to make it. >>>On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" >>><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >change. So half a block away you probably don't have the time to make >it. Which is your indication that you need to prepare for the signal allowing motorized traffic switching to the yellow light. Too complicated? -- This temporary .sig is to identify myself, as a nym shift has occurred. In the past, I have spent time pursuing certain trolls around, and have decided this is no longer an activity I wish to waste my time on. As such, I have kill filed R.A.D.'s two main trolls. Thus, I am retiring the 'adaptive' nyms I have generated in response to "Aunt Judy"'s nym shifts. These have included, but not been limited to: Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) Ted Kennedy Murdered His Pregnant Mistress (and many variants) On Jan 26, 11:14 am, "Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein)" <kwyj...@ozdebate.com> wrote: > >On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to judge how long I've got to get through a given intersection. > Usually I can see this at least half a block away. So do i. In fact that's what made me think of doing something similar with yellow lights. The vile and infidel swine and swine sofdomizer, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS," left this insult to Allah (Praises be unto His Name) and to all who are Righetous and Holy in rec.autos.driving: > So do i. In fact that's what made me think of doing something similar > with yellow lights. Have you ever driven a car faster then the posted speed limit? And answer truthfully. Otherwise, Allah (Praises be unto His Name) will punish you severely. Imam Widdershins Sloth is a Deadly Sin. >On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >idea has merit. >-S. I've seen some crosswalk signs with countdown lights. First light I've ever seen with a counter on it. Any where. In article <59d72022-c0c8-4327-9750-3e7ac7dd8b37@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, > On Jan 26, 11:27 am, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > idea has merit. > -S. No. It's a silly idea. The last thing we need to do is to let people have a better idea about how much time they have left to jump a yellow light. We want everyone to stop when the light changes to yellow and the only reason that they should *not* stop is when they are too close to do so safely. The only things they need to know to determine that they already know. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article ><59d72022-c0c8-4327-9750-3e7ac7dd8b37@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > safely. The only things they need to know to determine that they already > know. However, when the light turns yellow, the timer should start and count UP at every RLC equipped intersection. Of course they could rig the timer too, but it would make the RLC scam more difficult. >The last thing we need to do is to let people have a better idea about >how much time they have left to jump a yellow light. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >safely. The only things they need to know to determine that they already >know. Who is this "we", kemosabe? I want everyone to continue on through the intersection as long as there's time and there's room. Stopping on yellow without need just makes the intersection less efficient. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >> The last thing we need to do is to let people have a better idea about >> how much time they have left to jump a yellow light. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the intersection as long as there's time and there's room. Stopping > on yellow without need just makes the intersection less efficient. I am me. And I want everybody from the crossing street out of the intersection when I have the green. SignatureRequiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/ > >> The last thing we need to do is to let people have a better idea about > >> how much time they have left to jump a yellow light. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I am me. And I want everybody from the crossing street out of the > intersection when I have the green. And you don't want to wait with both directions red... ..which is what we're getting more and more of. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >>>> The last thing we need to do is to let people have a better idea about >>>> how much time they have left to jump a yellow light. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ..which is what we're getting more and more of. Around here it almost seems like the red and the green both mean STOP. They don't start moving until the yellow is about to come on. Unless they are turning left. Then they wait for the red to come on. SignatureRequiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/ > >The last thing we need to do is to let people have a better idea about > >how much time they have left to jump a yellow light. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the intersection as long as there's time and there's room. Stopping > on yellow without need just makes the intersection less efficient. Then -- I'm sorry to say -- you're an idiot. The point of a yellow is to get people to stop when it is safe to do so. Your way of think has led to longer and longer times when both directions are red as we can no longer count on people to obey the yellow signal. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> >We want everyone to stop when the light changes to yellow and the only >> >reason that they should *not* stop is when they are too close to do so [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >The point of a yellow is to get people to stop when it is safe to do so. No, the point of a yellow is to warn people a red signal is coming up. That's true even in Canada (where the law requires a stop if it is safe to do so), certainly true in most of the United States. >Your way of think has led to longer and longer times when both >directions are red as we can no longer count on people to obey the >yellow signal. If yellow is effectively the same as red, then it hardly matters that there's a shorter or nonexistent all-red period. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > >> In article > >> <alangbaker-541B4C.13023326012008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > up. That's true even in Canada (where the law requires a stop if it > is safe to do so), certainly true in most of the United States. Your argument is what has led to longer and longer timings where both directions have red lights. > >Your way of think has led to longer and longer times when both > >directions are red as we can no longer count on people to obey the > >yellow signal. > > If yellow is effectively the same as red, then it hardly matters that > there's a shorter or nonexistent all-red period. It's not the same. Red means "thou shalt not pass". Yellow means "stop unless you cannot stop safely". SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> >> In article >> >> <alangbaker-541B4C.13023326012008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Your argument is what has led to longer and longer timings where both >directions have red lights. Matthew is 100% correct - the purpose of the yellow is to tell drivers that a change is about to occur; it is up to them to decide whether to stop or proceed. The longer all-red phase, where it exists, is due to too many drivers making poor judgements when faced with the yellow-light decision. >> If yellow is effectively the same as red, then it hardly matters that >> there's a shorter or nonexistent all-red period. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Yellow means "stop unless you cannot stop safely". Stopping needlessly when they could have made it through safely before the red is a waste of throughput. What yellow really means "red is coming - exercise good judgement." The problem only comes in when a driver does not have any good judgement to exercise. SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" > >In article <r-GdnTXei-Jb3ADanZ2dnUVZ_gOdn...@speakeasy.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ir would be nice if there was a consistant duration. I doubt that there will be as long as RLC are a money-maker. >>>In article <r-GdnTXei-Jb3ADanZ2dnUVZ_gOdn...@speakeasy.net>, >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Ir would be nice if there was a consistant duration. I doubt that > there will be as long as RLC are a money-maker. If they *are* a consistent duration, RLCs will no longer be a money maker. Cause and effect are all kinds of intertwined in this instance. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel > >>>In article <r-GdnTXei-Jb3ADanZ2dnUVZ_gOdn...@speakeasy.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dat's Y I said it! Gotta keep dis sh.t in the eye of the public. > Yellow means "stop unless you cannot stop safely". Actually that's not true. In a few states, like OR, yes that's what yellow means. But in most states (don't have the actual count but it's the model statute in the uniform code, yellow simply means a red signal is about to occur. It is legal to cross the stop line on yellow, even in OR if you cannot safely stop. >> No, the point of a yellow is to warn people a red signal is coming >> up. That's true even in Canada (where the law requires a stop if it >> is safe to do so), certainly true in most of the United States. > >Your argument is what has led to longer and longer timings where both >directions have red lights. Your repetition of that claim does not make it so. >> >Your way of think has led to longer and longer times when both >> >directions are red as we can no longer count on people to obey the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Yellow means "stop unless you cannot stop safely". So red means "stop even if doing so causes a collision"? SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > So red means "stop even if doing so causes a collision"? I think I am glad I don't drive where you do. If you move, please find a way to let me know where you moved to. It'll be a little tough because I am going to adjust the filters a bit to stop having to manually delete your drooling nonsense, deadly tho' it is. SignatureRequiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/ >Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that >ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid >running a red. Just blink it 5 times. [alt.true-crime removed] > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:27:25 -0000, "Speeders..."...wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Just blink it 5 times. They actually already do something like this (except with the green) in Mexico and Austria, according to info posted here on misc.transport.road in the past that I used for the m.t.r FAQ (11.1). In most cases, one can just use a flashing "DONT WALK" to judge the staleness of the green. _____________________________________________________________________ Marc Fannin|musxf579 @hotmail.com|http://www.roadfan.com/ >Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that >ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 >seconds and go 5-4-3-2-1 red. >I never have any trouble obeying stoplights but a lot of idiots seem to and >using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid >running a red. Here in Houston, the countdown crosswalk displays have been up and running for a few months, and can be programmed for different durations based on expected situations (i.e., rush hours, arena events). At the speed limit, the driver will get about 0.08 miles of warning with a ten-second countdown before the yellow. Meanwhile, some of the suburbs have installed such displays, but for some reason have disabled the countdown. (Sugar Land is the most obvious example, with new signals along the six miles of Texas 6 within the city limits.) SignaturePatrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 1 (January 25) NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 26 vs. San Antonio, 7:35 >> Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that >> ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the most obvious example, with new signals along the six miles of Texas 6 > within the city limits.) I used to live where there was a system in place that worked really well and was a lot cheaper. Law was: (my paraphrase) "It is illegal to be anywhere in the intersection where a red light is seen." The key is that it was enforced. and it worked out that if you saw a yellow light and could reasonable stop, you did. And if you could not reasonable stop, you would be clear of the intersection before it turned red. And if you weren't sure (as in the case where traffic is clogged up for some reason, you stopped before you got to the limit line (same as for a railroad) until you were sure you could go all the way across without topping again. SignatureRequiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/ >>> Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that >>> ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 >>> seconds and go 5-4-3-2-1 red. >>> I never have any trouble obeying stoplights but a lot of idiots seem to and >>> using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid >>> running a red. >> Here in Houston, the countdown crosswalk displays have been up and running >> for a few months, and can be programmed for different durations based on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> the most obvious example, with new signals along the six miles of Texas 6 >> within the city limits.) >I used to live where there was a system in place that worked really well and >was a lot cheaper. >Law was: (my paraphrase) "It is illegal to be anywhere in the intersection >where a red light is seen." >The key is that it was enforced. >and it worked out that if you saw a yellow light and could reasonable stop, >you did. And if you could not reasonable stop, you would be clear of the >intersection before it turned red. >And if you weren't sure (as in the case where traffic is clogged up for some >reason, you stopped before you got to the limit line (same as for a railroad) >until you were sure you could go all the way across without topping again. I've grown up with that, and I still stick to the "yellow = stop if you can" standard. The countdowns make it easier to judge whether there's time or not. SignaturePatrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 1 (January 25) NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 26 vs. San Antonio, 7:35 > >>> Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that > >>> ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > standard. The countdowns make it easier to judge whether there's time or > not. No. The countdown should have no bearing, because the question isn't whether there is time or not, but whether there is *space* or not. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> I've grown up with that, and I still stick to the "yellow = stop if you can" >> standard. The countdowns make it easier to judge whether there's time or >> not. > >No. The countdown should have no bearing, because the question isn't >whether there is time or not, but whether there is *space* or not. What? The voice of reason addressing the issue of ignorance? How is that possible? Well put. -- This temporary .sig is to identify myself, as a nym shift has occurred. In the past, I have spent time pursuing certain trolls around, and have decided this is no longer an activity I wish to waste my time on. As such, I have kill filed R.A.D.'s two main trolls. Thus, I am retiring the 'adaptive' nyms I have generated in response to "Aunt Judy"'s nym shifts. These have included, but not been limited to: Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) Ted Kennedy Murdered His Pregnant Mistress (and many variants) Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red means stop, green means go, and when both are on it would be the equivalent of a yellow light. SignatureEdward Hutchison Madison, MS Objective reviews of Internet poker sites and a point system for evaluating poker starting hands: www.ERHutchison.com > Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red means > stop, green means go, and when both are on it would be the equivalent of a > yellow light. At the cost of clarity? No thanks. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red means >> stop, green means go, and when both are on it would be the equivalent of a >> yellow light. > >At the cost of clarity? No thanks. It used to be done that way. I recall seeing some two-bulb traffic lights that were still installed in NYC in the '70s or early '80s. > It used to be done that way. I recall seeing some two-bulb traffic > lights that were still installed in NYC in the '70s or early '80s. This Forgotten NY page has plenty of examples of the two-bangers from that period (and later): http://www.forgotten-ny.com/LAMPS/stopclassics/stopclassics.html > In article <caednQuCtIOAdwbanZ2dnUVZ_vWtn...@comcast.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you > sit in the bottom of that cupboard." Three comments on the lsst (as of now) mesages. I can see a yellow light from five seconds away and ceeretainly don't need that guide line. If you do, the red and green together seem a good replacement form the amber/yellow, but with the dummies behind the wheel today in the US, how many generations will it take to learn. In GB (and othjer places, I assume) the light turns red/yellow also just before it goes to green and if you're safe to do do, you can go, AFAIK. (Too lazy to dig put the book.) >> Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red means >> stop, green means go, and when both are on it would be the equivalent of a >> yellow light. > >At the cost of clarity? No thanks. Railroad signals have only two bulbs, and yet convey many more aspects than the three-bulb signals we have on the streets - and all with perfect clarity. SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" > >> Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red > >> means [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than the three-bulb signals we have on the streets - and all with > perfect clarity. And railway employees are better trained and can be fired for getting it wrong. Drivers on our continent are barely trained and realize that as long as they don't speed or drink and drive they can do pretty much any dumbass thing they want. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> >> Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >And railway employees are better trained and can be fired for getting it >wrong. That, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with our current system. Drivers are poorly educated, and it takes far too much effort to revoke their licenses when they f.ck up (and even then they still continue to drive). >Drivers on our continent are barely trained and realize that as long as >they don't speed or drink and drive they can do pretty much any dumbass >thing they want. In short, the problem is not that traffic signals are unclear. The problem is that many drivers are incompetent f.cks. SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" >>> Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red means >>> stop, green means go, and when both are on it would be the equivalent of a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >than the three-bulb signals we have on the streets - and all with >perfect clarity. Trains aren't likely to turn right on red, either. :-) -- This temporary .sig is to identify myself, as a nym shift has occurred. In the past, I have spent time pursuing certain trolls around, and have decided this is no longer an activity I wish to waste my time on. As such, I have kill filed R.A.D.'s two main trolls. Thus, I am retiring the 'adaptive' nyms I have generated in response to "Aunt Judy"'s nym shifts. These have included, but not been limited to: Murderous Speeding Drunken Distracted Driver (Hector Goldstein) Ted Kennedy Murdered His Pregnant Mistress (and many variants) > >> Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red > >> means [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than the three-bulb signals we have on the streets - and all with > perfect clarity. And furthermore, you're not even right... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_railroad_signals> Red, yellow and green. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> Railroad signals have only two bulbs, and yet convey many more aspects >> than the three-bulb signals we have on the streets - and all with >> perfect clarity. > >And furthermore, you're not even right... Are you claiming that there are no railroad signals that have only two bulbs? SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" > >> Railroad signals have only two bulbs, and yet convey many more aspects > >> than the three-bulb signals we have on the streets - and all with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Are you claiming that there are no railroad signals that have only two > bulbs? Yes. Did you bother to look at the link I provided? It clearly showed that even when there are only two lamps, those lamps have bulbs for red, green *and* yellow. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> Are you claiming that there are no railroad signals that have only two >> bulbs? > >Yes. Did you bother to look at the link I provided? Well, since we're citing Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_railway_signalling "Modern LED signals with JUST TWO LENSES can show all four aspects." Hoist by your own petard. :) Some RR signals even have only ONE bulb; a motor rotates a semaphore and various colored lenses in front of the (white) bulb. SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" > Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red means > stop, green means go, and when both are on it would be the equivalent of a > yellow light. When I wuz a wee lad we called them "bell signals" and they had just that--plus two arms that said (on one) "STOP" and (on the other) "GO" A bell rang (hence the name), the "GO" arm lowered into the housing and the green light went out, then the "STOP" swung up and the red light came on. Was a bit maintenance intense I suppose. One of the advantages of such systems (carried into early three-light systems) was the it mechanically impossible to show "GO" to conflicting traffic. SignatureRequiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/ >> Why not cut the cost of traffic signals by having only two bulbs? Red means >> stop, green means go, and when both are on it would be the equivalent of a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >systems) was the it mechanically impossible to show "GO" to conflicting >traffic. And no lagging left traps. >I used to live where there was a system in place that worked really well >and was a lot cheaper. > >Law was: (my paraphrase) "It is illegal to be anywhere in the >intersection where a red light is seen." Yeah, there's real justice for you. You're made a criminal by the action of the state's mechanisms. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >> I used to live where there was a system in place that worked really well >> and was a lot cheaper. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah, there's real justice for you. You're made a criminal by the > action of the state's mechanisms. Don't quite understand that. If you don't like the law, don't drive (or elect people that will change the law. But if the light is red, be behind the limit line. SignatureRequiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/ >>> I used to live where there was a system in place that worked really well >>> and was a lot cheaper. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Don't quite understand that. I'm not surprised, I did use quite a few multisyllabic words. >If you don't like the law, don't drive (or >elect people that will change the law. But if the light is red, be >behind the limit line. Fortunately, I don't live in a place with such a lousy law. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. SFB spewed: > Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that > ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 > seconds and go 5-4-3-2-1 red. Because it would cost money to implement. This is out of character for a cheap bastard like you to suggest an idea like this. > I never have any trouble obeying stoplights but a lot of idiots seem to and > using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid > running a red. I have no trouble stopping for a properly timed yellow light. This gimick is a waste of money and an impediment to Darwin getting his work done. Signature"My dash lights burned out years ago. Just keep a cheapie flashlight on the seat." --Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 12 Nov 2005 18:11:38 -0800 Ref: http://tinyurl.com/akxtu Message ID: 1131847898.473454.275...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com > Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that > ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 > seconds and go 5-4-3-2-1 red. That would certainly encourage more people to run red lights. THINK ! > Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that > ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid > running a red. How about these old school lights: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Marshalite_traffic_signal%2C_Melbourne_Museum.jpg> >> Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number >> that ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Marshalite_traffic_signal%2C_Melbourne_Museum.jpg> the yellow is not really needed there, is it? SignatureRequiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/ In our last episode, <Xns9A316A5F15C3Eriemann1850yahoocom@216.168.3.70>, the lovely and talented Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS broadcast on alt.true-crime: > Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that > ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 > seconds and go 5-4-3-2-1 red. Actually, I've seen this some place, 30 or 40 years ago --- perhaps it was West Texas, possibly San Angelo. SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> usenet@larseighner.com Countdown: 358 days to go. > In our last episode, > <Xns9A316A5F15C3Eriemann1850yahoocom@216.168.3.70>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Actually, I've seen this some place, 30 or 40 years ago --- perhaps it was > West Texas, possibly San Angelo. And they took them out, because they turned into drag-racing timers. Stupid idea then, stupider now. Kris In 55 posts, there have been plenty of insults hurled but nobody has mentioned why countdown timers might have merit. I commute on a six- lane arterial in Northern New Jersey at off-peak hours. The speed limit is 50mph and off-peak traffic typically moves between 55 and 60. Few signals are equipped with pedestrian signals, so it's very hard to judge when a yellow might appear. Most of the signals are visible for at least a half a mile in advance. Knowing when the signals were going to change would give motorists a chance to adjust their speed accordingly. A driver might be able to take his foot off the gas 3000 feet away and allow the signal to fully cycle back to green by the time he got there thus avoiding a full stop and the waste of fuel that accompanies a full stop. From 50 mph, I can safely stop in a rather short distance, say 150 feet. However, doing so unnecessarily is terribly inefficient. It could also be argued that there is merit in having a countdown timer on red showing time until green. Again, this information could allow an approaching motorist to adjust his speed so that he arrives just prior to the appearance of the green. Here's a video of exactly what I'm talking about: http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-697131673842194561&hl=en Michael Keen Ringwood, NJ Some drivers need to stop ignoring the red lights, first! John B. > Replace the solid yellow light in a stoplight with a yellow number that > ticks off the time left before the light turns red. Start off with say 5 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > using these numbered yellow lights they would eventually learn how to avoid > running a red. |
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