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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / February 2008A scam too far...
PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp > PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: > > http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp With the digital cameras and their large storage, this is long overdue. > PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: > > http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp Good idea, but there's still a possible flaw. Digital cameras do not seem to have administrator modes vs. user modes, and so it's still possible for the parking enforcement person to set the date and time of the camera for the date and time that they want on the fraudulent ticket, then photograph the car parked, and then write the fraudulent ticket for that date. It's extra work for sure, but if the parking enforcement person really wants to write a fraudulent ticket, it's hypothetically as easy as: 1. Parking enforcement person wants to write a fraudulent ticket for a vehicle, let's say for this example they will write a fraudulent ticket on 6 February 2008. 2. Parking enforcement person sets the camera date and time for 02/06/2008 and some arbitrary time that would make the ticket credible as an expired meter ticket. 3. Parking enforcement person then takes a photo of the vehicle parked on 02/05/2008 (even if the meter is not expired on 02/05/2008), but the metadata of the photo and the date shown on the photo shows as 02/06/2008. 4. Parking enforcement person then writes a fraudulent ticket on 02/06/2008, and submits the digital photo proof with a date clearly showing as 02/06/2008. So why is this still conceptually possible? Because the following text: "a) Digital photograph required.--At the time a parking ticket is issued, the person issuing the ticket shall take a digital photograph clearly depicting the rear of the ticketed vehicle and all registration information on the vehicle's registration plate. The photograph shall be attached to the municipality's copy of the parking ticket." ...does not also require clear digital photo evidence of the vehicle being parked with the meter also clearly showing as expired. >> PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > ...does not also require clear digital photo evidence of the vehicle being > parked with the meter also clearly showing as expired. It was clearly designed for when the tickets were written by filling in random plate numbers. The lying about time is still possible and not even addressed. Odds are that's the direction the scam will move. >PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: > >http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp Thanks for the tip. I just bought some Adobe stock, as I anticipate a large upswing in the sales of PhotoShop on the part of PA meter maids. BTW, I think it's pretty cool that the guy in the wheelchair has a vanity plate with the single letter 'P' on it. If Illinois will issue single-letter vanity plates, you should get that for your Mustang. :)  SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" >>PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > vanity plate with the single letter 'P' on it. If Illinois will issue > single-letter vanity plates, you should get that for your Mustang. :) I would prefer 'B'. Or maybe BDR 529 Scott in SoCal: > >PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: > > > >http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp > > Thanks for the tip. I just bought some Adobe stock, as I anticipate a > large upswing in the sales of PhotoShop on the part of PA meter maids. You think that the meter maids have the intelligence required to work photoshop? ;) > BTW, I think it's pretty cool that the guy in the wheelchair has a > vanity plate with the single letter 'P' on it. If Illinois will issue > single-letter vanity plates, you should get that for your Mustang. :) I wonder if FK CALROG or KRL SUX is taken..... ;-D Signature"Why? Why?? WHY??? Why is it that most people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to f.ck in the first place??" --George Carlin >PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: > >http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp Good idea. Considering the fact that "Discovery Channel" has been airing a new series called "Parking wars". This photographic evidence would cut down on the crapola. As for the cameras, a person would need to be in charge of them. Ensuring that each camera used that day had the correct date and time, and rechecked upon return. Perhaps they could work with a manufacturer and make it impossible through software to ensure the "meter maid" could not falsify the photo's date and time stamp. And part of the law should automatically grant a grace period. Say like 10 minutes. So any citation issued immediately upon expire would not be allowed. In Cincinnati years ago, the local "meter maid", a guy, would simply take his time walking around the block once. Alerting the victims that it's time to pay up or be fined. If you got fined by him, you deserved it. >As for the cameras, a person would need to be in charge of them. >Ensuring that each camera used that day had the correct date and time, >and rechecked upon return. Perhaps they could work with a manufacturer >and make it impossible through software to ensure the "meter maid" >could not falsify the photo's date and time stamp. Such forensic cameras already exist. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >>PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: >> >>http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp > > Good idea. Considering the fact that "Discovery Channel" has been > airing a new series called "Parking wars". That Parking Wars program was billed as some kind of human interest story, idea being that meter maids are human, and if we could just walk in their shoes for a while, we might learn that they are lovable (or at least likeable) human beings. Actually, after watching just two episodes of that program, it seems to have back-fired, in my case. If anything, I think those morons are worthy of the disgust that most people feel when they hear the term "meter maid". Just doing their job? Yeah, if mindlessly causing ordinary people no end of headaches for no reason other than financial gain can be called a "job". In one episode I saw, the lady (I'll be kind) was actually shown hiding around the corner waiting impatiently and GLEEFULLY for 4PM, when she could ticket and tow a bunch of cars that were -legally- parked, but which were required to be moved by 4PM. It was so stereotypical, I couldn't believe that they actually AIRED that. People think of meter maids watching their watches for the second that the meter expires and writing tickets in advance so they can pounce the moment the red flag pops up. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING!!! But she took it a step further, and had the cars towed. God, it made my blood boil watching that. I've had to dispute parking tickets that I did not deserve, so these kind of tactics really piss me off. In one case, I parked between two signs stating that I couldn't park between the signs after 5PM. I was parked there from 12PM to 2PM, and found a parking ticket on my car at 2PM when I went to leave. Got the ticket dismissed eventually, but it still ruined my whole f.cking afternoon. Bastards. I mean, first I had to find the place where they expected me to pay the parking ticket, then I had to find the office where disputes were handled, then I had to fill out a dispute form (in triplicate, no less), then I had to find another office in another building so I could deliver it in person. (or I could have mailed it in, but I was so pissed I wanted it settled, and not be told later that they never received the right form, etc.) By the time I left that town (I didn't live there) it was almost dinner time, and I should have been home hours ago. The alternative would have been to pay the fine. Then years later, the DMV would refuse to renew my registration, claiming I had an unpaid parking ticket from... (I've had THAT happen to me also . . . no UNPAID parking tickets, but DMV records screwed up, so my car registration was held for ransom until I proved my innocence. Like I need THAT headache, right?) In another episode of parking wars, they showed the boot team. What really pissed me off about them, yeah I know they have a job to do but... They are driving slowly down the street entering **** EVERY **** plate number they see into a computer system until they find one with unpaid parking tickets. When the computer comes up with a match, they boot it. Whether it's legally parked or not. Considering how f.cked up state records get in regards to parking tickets and whether they are paid or not, I just KNOW that some poor guy has found his car booted due to parking tickets he didn't know he had, or parking tickets that he PAID ALREADY. This probably happens frequently. But I doubt if they'll show THAT GUY on TV. But they glorify the booting squad like they are f.cking heroes or something. It makes me ill just thinking about it. -Dave > In one episode I saw, the lady (I'll be kind) was actually shown hiding > around the corner waiting impatiently and GLEEFULLY for 4PM, when she could [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > WAS DOING!!! But she took it a step further, and had the cars towed. God, > it made my blood boil watching that. Makes me wonder about the sanity of anyone that is for government health care. Imagine a bunch of meter maid types checking up on what you eat! > happens frequently. But I doubt if they'll show THAT GUY on TV. But they > glorify the booting squad like they are f.cking heroes or something. It > makes me ill just thinking about it. -Dave Oh come on, it's just a conspiracy theory that the TV is glorifying the mechanisms of a police state. :) >> In one episode I saw, the lady (I'll be kind) was actually shown hiding >> around the corner waiting impatiently and GLEEFULLY for 4PM, when she [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Makes me wonder about the sanity of anyone that is for government health > care. Imagine a bunch of meter maid types checking up on what you eat! Oh, you mean like the state of Mississippi, perhaps? From another ng, they (Mississippi) are passing a law soon. The law states (no, I didn't make this up) that if you are a restaurant owner, you can lose your business license for serving food to obese customers. I'll bet you still think I made that up now, don't you? (just one link to prove I didn't make it up) http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/02/ms_fat.html Some stories I read have unspecified remedies, others say repeat offenders could lose their business license Next logical step? Obese will be banned (in Mississippi) from entering grocery stores, supermarkets, convenience stores and all other buildings where food is for sale. That is, after all, what this restaurant ban is about . . . the people of Mississippi have spoken, and they want to make it illegal for the obese to eat in their state!!! Gonna raise hell with the tourist trade, for sure. Also could lead to some sticky situations for the diabetics (many of whom are obese) who need to eat regularly or ummmm, DIE. As I wrote elsewhere, I can see the lawsuit already . . . you allowed my mom to die!!! (but but...I was just following the LAW, lady!) Hmmmmm....and too bad about the MS economy going down the sh.tter when truck drivers refuse to deliver to that state, as they'd prefer to deliver to states in which they can ummmm, EAT. :) -Dave > >> In one episode I saw, the lady (I'll be kind) was actually shown hiding > >> around the corner waiting impatiently and GLEEFULLY for 4PM, when she [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If you have a diabetic friend who dais that, tell her/him to get the straight dope from the MD. Is that person eating to die from ignorance, from gluttony or just to end it all? If you have a diabetic friend who dais that, tell her/him to get the straight dope from the MD. Is that person eating to die from ignorance, from gluttony or just to end it all? Huh? Diabetics have problems with blood sugar. Either too high or too low. Either can kill you. If a diabetic ever tells you he/she must eat, you'd better not kick that obese person (assuming that the diabetic is obese) out of your restaurant. Diabetics with low blood sugar problems tend to carry emergency supplies with them. But sh.t happens. If I was a restaurant owner and a diabetic ordered food because of a diabetic incident, I'd serve that person extra quick, even if it was against the law. (Which it could be, if my business was in Mississippi). But I can see some stupid restaurant manager saying HECK NO, the law is the law, blah blah lah.... -Dave >>> In one episode I saw, the lady (I'll be kind) was actually shown hiding >>> around the corner waiting impatiently and GLEEFULLY for 4PM, when she [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > license for serving food to obese customers. I'll bet you still think I > made that up now, don't you? No, I know you haven't made it up because I read an article or blog post the other day where the author had phoned the legislator who sponsored it to make sure he was serious about it before writing on the subject. This is only the begining of the nanny-state. Get a load of this: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/NYTimes%20ad%20v3.pdf What the ad refers to is the FDA at the request of big-pharma is going about trying to make any competition impossible. Regulation does not protect consumers in many cases, it is put in place to prevent, discourage, and remove competition to those favored by government office holders. > This is only the begining of the nanny-state. Get a load of this: > http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/NYTimes%20ad%20v3.pdf [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > discourage, and remove competition to those favored by government office > holders. Yup, remember the stink about people crossing the border into Canada to buy prescription drugs cheaper and how U.S. lawmakers were trying to claim (with a straight face) that the practice had to be stopped as the safety of the drugs could not be guaranteed, if they were purchase out of the country? Like drugs can somehow be safe for Canadians and also poisonous to U.S. citizens? Please... On a side Note, why weren't the Canadians really really INSULTED by that argument??? Essentially some idiots in the U.S. were saying, we don't want our children exposed to those dangerous poisons, but let the Canadians eat it, that's A-OK. -Dave > Next logical step? Obese will be banned (in Mississippi) from entering > grocery stores, supermarkets, convenience stores and all other buildings > where food is for sale. That is, after all, what this restaurant ban is > about . . . the people of Mississippi have spoken, and they want to make > it illegal for the obese to eat in their state!!! Which makes me wonder. Mississippi has one of the highest rates of obesity in the US. One would think that a law like this would have passed in a state with a lower rate of obesity. > Makes me wonder about the sanity of anyone that is for government health > care. Imagine a bunch of meter maid types checking up on what you eat! I thought the joke writers were still on strike > On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:54:27 -0600, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com > > And part of the law should automatically grant a grace period. Say > like 10 minutes. So any citation issued immediately upon expire would > not be allowed. Apparently, you don't park where I do. Milwaukee meters and other I've seen in the past dozen years all first go to "Expired" mode and then after your 'grace period', it changes to "Violation" mode. Heck, even the old mechanical ones I remember had two flags. "Expired" was yellow and "Violation" was red, so the reader could see 'em easily from a distance. -- C.R. Krieger >Apparently, you don't park where I do. Milwaukee meters and other >I've seen in the past dozen years all first go to "Expired" mode and >then after your 'grace period', it changes to "Violation" mode. Heck, >even the old mechanical ones I remember had two flags. "Expired" was >yellow and "Violation" was red, so the reader could see 'em easily >from a distance. In Philly, they go from showing the number of minutes to expired, in just slightly less than the time on the meter (bastards). A yellow "Violation" flag on an old mechanical meter used to indicate a jammed meter; I don't think the electronic ones have an equivalent. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: > >http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp It only requires a picture of the car's license plate, not sufficient information to show the violation. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. On Feb 4, 12:54 am, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote: > PA parking tickets may soon require photographic proof or be thrown out: > > http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/22/2204.asp Instead of adding another unecessary law, how about they spend the time and money trying to figure out who the offending agents are. They can then figure out if it was individuals acting on their own. Those individuals could then be disciplined. Then the tax payer wouldn't have to pay for the cost of this new law. --------------------------- Alex |
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