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A Minor Epiphany
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Scott in SoCal - 07 Feb 2008 07:24 GMT Have you ever noticed the way most people change lanes? The usual procedure is to SLOW DOWN, flip on the turn signal, and then plod along until someone in the target lane "makes a gap" and lets them come in. Like the people who slow down on curves, I bet many of them aren't even aware of the fact that they are moving more slowly than the rest of the traffic.
Is it any wonder, then, that some people complain about other cars "speeding up" whenever they want to change lanes? "The moment I flip on my turn signal, the guy in the lane next to me speeds up in order to block my merge," they whine. It never occurs to these people that the guy in the other lane did not actually speed up - it only seems that way because the would-be lane changer himself has SLOWED DOWN!
Maybe one day these people will learn to maintain speed or even (*gasp!*) speed up a bit when changing lanes. If they do, their lane changing problems will evaporate.
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Brent P - 07 Feb 2008 07:52 GMT > Have you ever noticed the way most people change lanes? The usual > procedure is to SLOW DOWN, flip on the turn signal, and then plod [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the guy in the other lane did not actually speed up - it only seems > that way because the would-be lane changer himself has SLOWED DOWN! I dunno... I know I don't let up, I even accelerate and find the person behind me in the lane I am moving into starts to close immediately after I flick my signal. I've had to accelerate to speeds that carl thinks cause a spontaneous crash to make a lane change under those conditions.
necromancer - 07 Feb 2008 16:08 GMT Brent P:
> I dunno... I know I don't let up, I even accelerate and find the person > behind me in the lane I am moving into starts to close immediately > after I flick my signal. I've had to accelerate to speeds that carl > thinks cause a spontaneous crash to make a lane change under those > conditions. That's why I generally don't signal lane changes untill right before I make my move.
Commence flaming.
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Scott in SoCal - 08 Feb 2008 04:03 GMT > Brent P: >> I dunno... I know I don't let up, I even accelerate and find the person [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Commence flaming. Why would anyone flame you for doing a lane change correctly?
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necromancer - 08 Feb 2008 12:55 GMT >> Brent P: >>> I dunno... I know I don't let up, I even accelerate and find the person [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Why would anyone flame you for doing a lane change correctly? In this newsgroup? You have to ask?? ;)
I feel sure that either S&DDAM, GPS, or one of the others (hell, maybe even Cal-El) will find some problem with the notion of a correct lane change (or correct driving in general)....
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Scott in SoCal - 08 Feb 2008 14:48 GMT >>>That's why I generally don't signal lane changes untill right before I >>>make my move. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >even Cal-El) will find some problem with the notion of a correct lane >change (or correct driving in general).... Isn't it funny that Carl posts to multiple driving newsgroups and yet has ZERO INTEREST in driving? Have you ever seen him respond to a driving thread even once? He's about as far as it gets from being a driving enthusiast - one look at the vehicles he owns (a Scion xB and a Toyota Yaris) should tell you that much. How many videos have you seen where he's blocking the left lane while other vehicles stream past him on the right? To him, driving is a means to an end, a way to get from Point A to Point B; Any discussion of driving technique couldn't possibly interest him. He only posts here to troll.
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necromancer - 08 Feb 2008 19:09 GMT >Isn't it funny that Carl posts to multiple driving newsgroups and yet >has ZERO INTEREST in driving? Have you ever seen him respond to a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >seen where he's blocking the left lane while other vehicles stream >past him on the right? I've only watched a few of his videos as they are as crappy - if not crappier - than the photos. Of the few I've seen, they weren't long enough to really note his driving technique - except for the one where he ran a red light...
> To him, driving is a means to an end, a way to >get from Point A to Point B; Any discussion of driving technique >couldn't possibly interest him. He only posts here to troll. Spamming and trolling. Krl has made those into an art form.. ;)
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John A. Weeks III - 07 Feb 2008 08:50 GMT > Is it any wonder, then, that some people complain about other cars > "speeding up" whenever they want to change lanes? "The moment I flip > on my turn signal, the guy in the lane next to me speeds up in order > to block my merge," they whine. It never occurs to these people that > the guy in the other lane did not actually speed up - it only seems > that way because the would-be lane changer himself has SLOWED DOWN! I have something similar happen to me a lot. I run on cruise control nearly all the time. I don't speed up or slow down to do lane changes or passes (on the freeway, at least). I have noticed quite often that when I catch up to someone, just about the time that I signal and lane change, they will speed up. I think that it is them not paying attention and their speed drifts down a bit, and when they see me, they wake up, notice that they are going a bit slower than other traffic, and they speed up. Sometimes the speed up is so dramatic that I have to give up on passing them and pull back in behind them.
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Ad absurdum per aspera - 07 Feb 2008 19:57 GMT > when they see me, they wake up, notice that they > are going a bit slower than other traffic, and they speed up. > Sometimes the speed up is so dramatic that I have to give up on > passing them and pull back in behind them. I don't think you're usually waking them up; I think most are just driving with their ego. There might be no prize for the winner and the moral and practical justification for the contest might be questionable, but damned if they're going to "lose."
Of course, lane changing can be ego-driven as well; how often do you see someone go to a lot of trouble to pull up a tiny bit ahead of you and barge in, when he could have more easily dropped back into a large gap just behind you?
There's also the vicious circle of malign self interest found at congested urban off-ramps and connectors. (Commute traffic gets red in tooth and claw pretty fast; or to reach for another literary image, we have J.P. Donleavy's observation of how we all "drive along in our own little mobile temples of discontent.) Someone knows quite well which lane he needs, but the lane he's in is going much faster, so he sails along until the last minute and then tries to cut into the line. This tends to be bitterly resented by the people already there, who close ranks to prevent him -- sometimes leaving his stranded with nowhere to go and dangerously low speed in a lane where people want to go fast; it also similarly strands people who are *not* trying to snake anybody on their routine commute and just made an honest mistake.
As fo the original topic, I would imagine that most people have little concept of vector components or even much of a gut feel for how this applies to driving. I was taught that a lane change should be as transparent as safety allows to the guy you're merging in front of -- you find a gap, time your maneuver to arrive at it, and match the *forward* component of your speed to what they're doing in the new lane. If he has to slow down (other than to drop back to a safe following distance) or change lanes to let you in... well, sometimes heavy traffic doesn't give us much choice, but it is a less than perfect lane change or merge.
Entering, exiting, and lane changing also have a "6 P's" aspect -- Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance. A lot of people think rudeness or outright danger are good ways to make up for that, cutting across three or four lanes at the last split second to take an exit in a spray of gravel and litter from the gore point, for instance. Or they just don't have enough concern for others and awareness of the world around them and how easily it can all go wrong to *realize* that what they're doing is rude and dangerous.
And it all adds up to why tow trucks just go ahead and pre-position themselves at certain times and places, and why the orange barrels and concrete dividers and guardrails are all smeared up with paint and rubber.
--Joe
DanKMTB@gmail.com - 07 Feb 2008 13:47 GMT > Have you ever noticed the way most people change lanes? The usual > procedure is to SLOW DOWN, flip on the turn signal, and then plod [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Please don't give financial rewards to trolls - > DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" I do speed up to change lanes, as do most drivers I know. Out here in the Boston & Above region, they do speed up to stop you. I'm not talking a gradual increase, I'm talking stoping the pedal to keep someone from getting in front of them.
gpsman - 08 Feb 2008 15:02 GMT > Have you ever noticed the way most people change lanes? The usual > procedure is to SLOW DOWN, flip on the turn signal, and then plod [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (*gasp!*) speed up a bit when changing lanes. If they do, their lane > changing problems will evaporate. How's that work, the insufficient gaps just suddenly expand at higher velocity?!
Or, do people "make gaps" out of respect for your higher velocity...?
Your powers of observation and deduction seem decidedly inferior... as usual. -----
- gpsman
Alan Baker - 08 Feb 2008 17:57 GMT In article <d69b5ac0-db99-4658-9892-ffe701861a0d@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> > Have you ever noticed the way most people change lanes? The usual > > procedure is to SLOW DOWN, flip on the turn signal, and then plod [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > How's that work, the insufficient gaps just suddenly expand at higher > velocity?! No, but a marginally sufficient gap is going to be easier to enter when you are traveling slightly faster than the cars in the lane you're trying to enter. Can you figure out why?
> Or, do people "make gaps" out of respect for your higher velocity...? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - gpsman
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N8N - 08 Feb 2008 19:46 GMT > In article > <d69b5ac0-db99-4658-9892-ffe701861...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > you are traveling slightly faster than the cars in the lane you're > trying to enter. Can you figure out why? I'ma guess "no," as he's already argued that it's somehow more difficult to merge in from an onramp when traveling slightly faster than the traffic in the right lane than it is to come in too slow and accelerate.
it's just one of those things you'll have to accept, smack your forehead, and move on with your life.
nate
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