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It's weird.

Seems like adding Esq. if you are a lawyer.

Looks like in the US it's a state by state thang too.

from wiki:

"Professional Engineer is the term for registered or licensed engineers
in some countries who are permitted to offer their professional services
directly to the public.
The term Professional Engineer and the actual practice of professional
engineering is legally defined and protected by a government body. In
some jurisdictions only registered or licensed Professional Engineers
are permitted to use the title, or to practice Professional Engineering.
The earmark that distinguishes a licensed/registered Professional
Engineer is the authority to sign and seal or "stamp" engineering
documents (reports, drawings, and calculations) for a study, estimate,
design or analysis, thus taking legal responsibility for it."

"Registration and regulation
Each country or state/province has specific procedures and requirements
for the license or registration.

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United States
In the United States, registration or licensure of Professional
Engineers is performed by the individual states. Each registration or
license is valid only in the state in which it is granted. Many
Professional Engineers maintain licenses in several states for this
reason, and comity between states can make it easy to obtain a license
in one state based on licensure in another state without going through
the full application process.[3] The licensing procedure varies but the
general process is:[4]
  1. Graduate with a degree from an accredited four-year university
program in engineering.
  2. Complete a standard Fundamentals of Engineering (FE) written
examination, which tests applicants on breadth of understanding of basic
engineering principles, and optionally some elements of an engineering
specialty. Completion of the first two steps typically qualifies for
certification in the U.S. as an Engineer-In-Training (EIT), sometimes
also called an Engineer Intern (EI).[5]
  3. Accumulate a certain amount of engineering experience under the
supervision of a P.E. In most states the requirement is four years, but
in others the requirement is lower.
  4. Complete a written Principles and Practice in Engineering ('PE')
examination, testing the applicant's knowledge and skills in a chosen
engineering discipline (mechanical, electrical, civil, for example), as
well as engineering ethics.
Degree requirements in the United States are evolving. The NCEES model
licensure law requires a minimum of a master of science degree in
engineering or a bachelor of science degree with additional equivalent
graduate level work.[6]. This has received strong support from civil
engineers.[7][8]
There is a fairly large range in exam pass rates for these exams (FE and
PE), but the pass rate for repeat test takers is significantly lower.[9]
In a few states it is still possible for an individual to bypass Step 1,
and apply to take the registration examinations as long as a P.E. will
sponsor the applicant, and work experience can be substituted for
academic experience. The years of experience may also vary; for
instance, in California it is possible to take a Principles and Practice
in Engineering examination with only two years of experience after a
bachelor's degree, or one year of experience after graduate school. In
Nevada, college graduates are eligible to take the Principles and
Practice exam immediately after graduation and passing the EIT, before
acquiring the required experience. [2] Some states also have
state-specific examinations, most notably California where there is a
state-specific structural engineering exam and two additional exams in
land surveying and earthquake engineering for civil engineering
candidates.
Some states issue generic Professional Engineering licenses. Others,
known as "discipline states", issue licenses for specific disciplines of
engineering, such as Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering and
Electrical Engineering. In all cases, however, engineers are ethically
required to limit their practice to their area of competency, which is
usually a small portion of a discipline. While licensing boards do not
often enforce this limitation, it can be a factor in negligence lawsuits.

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Discipline distribution
Civil engineers account for a large portion of licensed Professional
Engineers. In Texas, for example, about one-third of licenses are for
civil engineers, and civil exams make up over half of the exams
taken.[10][11] Many of the remainder are mechanical, electrical, and
structural engineers whose practice involves areas that states regulate,
such as HVAC, electrical, plumbing, and fire protection systems for
buildings or public infrastructure. However, some engineers in other
fields obtain licenses for the ability to serve as professional
witnesses, or just for prestige, even though they may never sign and
seal design documents.

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The "Engineer" title
Main article: Controversies over the term Engineer
The title "Engineer" is legally protected in many states, meaning that
it is unlawful to use it to offer engineering services to the public
unless permission is specifically granted by that state, through a
Professional Engineering license, an "Industrial Exemption", or certain
other non-engineering titles such as "operating engineer". Employees of
state or federal agencies may also call themselves engineers if that
term appears in their official job title.
A business generally cannot offer engineering services to the public or
have a name that implies that it does so unless it employs at least one
Professional Engineer.

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Unlicensed practice
Since regulation of the practice of engineering is performed by the
individual states in the U.S., areas of engineering involved in
interstate commerce are essentially unregulated. These areas include
much of Mechanical Engineering, such as Automotive Engineering and
Aerospace Engineering, and Chemical Engineering, and may be specifically
exempted from regulation under an "Industrial Exemption". An industrial
exemption covers engineers who design products such as automobiles that
are sold (or have the potential to be sold) outside the state in which
they are produced, as well as the equipment used to produce the product.
Structures subject to building codes are not covered by an industrial
exemption, except small residential buildings often do not require an
engineer's seal. In many jurisdictions, the role of architects and
structural engineers overlap.
Many private companies employ non-degreed workers in technical positions
with engineering titles such as "test engineer" or "field engineer".
Such position may not require an engineering degree at the discretion of
the company. It is important however, to make a distinction between a
"graduate engineer" and a "professional (or licensed) engineer". A
"graduate engineer" is anyone holding a degree in engineering from an
accredited four-year university.

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Land surveying
In many states, Professional Land Surveyors are regulated in a similar
manner, often by the same state board as engineers or architects: Land
Surveyors are required to pass a Fundamentals of Surveying (FS) exam,
perform a period of internship and then pass a Practices of Surveying
(PS) Exam. A four-year degree in engineering or land surveying may also
be required. In a few states, licensed Civil Engineers may also perform
land surveys.

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In article <eecc4e08-1686-46ec-a0ca-
c2f5b528108b@d68g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, njnagel@hotmail.com says...

can you offer some wine recommendations?  thank you.

In chi.general N8N <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote:

Do you get a table faster in crowded resturants?

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

Unless you have to adopt the habit of braking hard for every yellow
light, which is the only strategy that works (save for not driving) to
guarantee you won't get a RLC ticket.

You have read the Virginia RLC study, haven't you?  The one where they
documented an increase in rear-end incidents in almost every
installation, and also documented *better* reductions in red light
running incidents simply by properly setting the yellow interval?
What's that?  You haven't?  I would have never guessed.

Now take your condesceding tone and shove it up your a.s, and try to
keep to subjects you actually have done your research on.

nate

I was kinda thinking about brent being run into alot.

I've been kinda watching driving styles of those people in front of me.

In the past week here's what I've had to take evasive action against to
keep from rear ending a few folks:

Guy with six forward gears and a manual transmission. He'd let the
people in front of him get three car lengths ahead then he'd go and get
close to the people in front of him, the lag time as he let up on the
clutch caused me to almost hit him.

Woman talking to passenger making panic stop because she didn't give
enough car length in front of her (call it preoccupation with something
other than watching what's going on in front of her while driving)

Guy reading the sun times while driving

People pulling into my lane to evade potholes

People speeding up but then slowing way down to look at addresses

guy driving aggressivley and cuts me off to try and make the light

old people or otherwise handicapped drivers with very slow reaction
times slowing or braking too soon.

Woman with a shitty car that stalled on trying to move forward.

So you're saying I should start running red signals? Or maybe I should
have punched the throttle on a slick road instead of letting up? or maybe
I shouldn't stop on a yellow before making a right turn at a blind
intersection where I can't see if someone is barreling through having the
green timed on the cross street? Is that what you're saying anderson?

The fact that you went through that excerise above proves to me that you
are one inconsiderate MFFY prick of a driver. It's only the people who
drive intentionally to annoy and frustrate other people that are
concerned about 'road rage'. If you didn't intentionally drive like an
a.shole, it wouldn't be an issue, you wouldn't even think about it.

The last time you did this routine anderson I gave you a list of
situations where I asked your advice on what to do. You never answered.
Why was that anderson?