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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / March 2008Reckless, Aggressive Drivers: Homegrown Terrorists
I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those near me. Anyway, the first "accident" (see book "It's No Accident") happened to a neighbor of mine who, like me, rides a scooter. Well, she started from the green light when a car ran the light and... smashed leg and who knows what else. Beautiful lady, beautiful no more. And she was lucky it wasn't an SUV with their raised "macho" bumpers... Well, the guy did stop (wasn't she lucky?) and was very sorry. But chances are he was speeding, or on the cell phone or trying to beat the light or everything at once. Everybody does it, right? Well the second incident was really minor compared to this one, but happened to my girlfriend with whom I was riding bike on the road... First thing a car comes real close to her and cuts her off while turning. I guess people riding bikes are not worth losing a few seconds, and they are simply ignored. Well sometimes they get noticed... Second thing she gets yelled at from an SUV, "a.shole!"... and my girlfriend gives her the finger (yes, she does it too) before doing the smart move (?) and taking the sidewalk. It would be so easy to put speed cameras on traffic lights and catch all those terrorists with a License to Kill. And that would take some politicians who make an issue out of traffic safety... or a revolution (see below), but that's another issue. ;) In the meantime here's a debate from the past about terrorists and speed cameras in civilized places like Germany... "Red light camera solution?" "Big Boy" <bigboy6...@aol.comgoaway> wrote in message news:20021106022800.05358.00002719@mb-fw.aol.com... : These systems intrigue (and disgust) me. : : I was doing a deja.com search and noticed : that they have them in Arizona. I am : in Idaho where fortunately we don't have : scum taking away even more of our : freedom. Freedom to speed and run red lights? What is there about "breaking the law" that you don't understand? Are you against the idea of security cameras in your place of business to protect you and your property? Or are you one that figures "if I make it through and don't kill anyone else I haven't really violated the law"? The real solution is very simple - obey the law. Then you can drive with a clear conscience and not have to worry about getting your picture taken. You can even save the cost of the hair spray... --- jb3 http://groups.google.com/group/az.general/browse_thread/thread/8efbe0e5a32de216/ 342f792fe8027559?hl=en&lnk=st&q=%22car+ran+the+light%22#342f792fe8027559 *** http://atom.smasher.org/streetparty/?l1=Coming+Soon%3A&l2=the&l3=Banana+Revoluti on%21&l4= WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION? http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution On Feb 19, 8:52�am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM. It's not even that I > go looking for trouble, trouble looks for me, and sometimes for those > near me. Hey, Donkey Hotay. Fidel Castro finally resigned, now Raul is running the country. With any luck, you can pedal your bicycle back to Havana soon. Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the new Lion in the Jungle? > On Feb 19, 8:52�am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hey, Donkey Hotay. Fidel Castro finally resigned, now Raul is running > the country. I'm waiting for Bush to resign too. His brother is better, I think. > With any luck, you can pedal your bicycle back to Havana soon. Cuba will never amount to anything good. Too far from Europe and too close to, you know... ;) > Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the > new Lion in the Jungle? He's an old lion himself, but you see a lion for what he is. No camouflage like Castro who's more of a fox. Only hope is the Banana Revolution. On Feb 19, 12:06�pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote: > He's an old lion himself, but you see a lion for what he is. No > camouflage like Castro who's more of a fox. Only hope is the Banana > Revolution. So, why don't you take your Revolting Bananas back to Cuba where you'd be closer to the action? What's the point in complaining about traffic conditions *here* while your cousins are living under the communists? > On Feb 19, 12:06�pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So, why don't you take your Revolting Bananas back to Cuba where you'd > be closer to the action? In Cuba they don't let you talk like here. No freedom of speech. Here the case is different... no democracy. "Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the government listens" -Alastair Farrugia > What's the point in complaining about traffic conditions *here* while > your cousins are living under the communists? I'm complaining about the sad state of affairs in the world. Why should I worry about the puppet, when we need to change the puppeteer? Doesn't this sign make sense? http://atom.smasher.org/highway/?l1=We+are+the+sheep+&l2=who+feed+the+beast%21&l3=&l4= Would you like a T-shirt too? http://www.zazzle.com/pub/done?pd=235627004264248658 On Feb 19, 6:25 pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Doesn't this sign make sense? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.zazzle.com/pub/done?pd=235627004264248658 Maybe the T-shirt came out wrong... http://www.zazzle.com/the_beast_shirt-235627004264248658 OK, breaking the news (no need to watch CNN) to you. What would you do if Nader took up the issue? (addressed to one of Nader's workers) Hey, Melanie, I've the issue that can make Ralph stand out before the other look alikes... Please read this: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.scooter/browse_thread/thread/b6a18bc51b878c32 /2d0e78f8cb88ddba?hl=en#2d0e78f8cb88ddba This is very much Nader's tradition... TRAFFIC SAFETY, the issue of the century! > On Feb 19, 12:06�pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > wrote: Rhiann... has a clear cut case of banana envy. > On Feb 19, 3:23 pm, "." <Rhiann...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 19, 12:06�pm, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > Rhiann... has a clear cut case of banana envy. The banana is for the hungry beast. It's the only weapon the monkey got. ;) > On Feb 19, 8:52�am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the > new Lion in the Jungle? motors are for wimps, or people that don't come equipped with anything else between their legs. >> Do ya think Raul will end communism in Cuba, or is he going to be the >> new Lion in the Jungle? > >motors are for wimps, or people that don't come equipped with anything >else between their legs. Hmm... I have to admit, I've never tried it, but I really don't think that works well for transportation.  SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > > On Feb 19, 8:52�am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > motors are for wimps, or people that don't come equipped with anything > else between their legs. You got a point there: "No doubt about it: When you want to have fun put a bicycle between your legs. Some substitutions are allowed..." (check front of T-shirt) http://www.zazzle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825 And about the frugal scooters? They only got a little motor... "A little motor can be a lot of fun between your legs. And it saves a lot of gas!" http://www.zazzle.com/scooter_shirt-235994025243531447 On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote: zle.com/ride_shirt-235520928427805825 > And about the frugal scooters? They only got a little motor... > > http://www.zazzle.com/scooter_shirt-235994025243531447 yes, a little motor can only suck a little. Scooters suck <WAY/> less than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were electric motors they would probably suck even less. In article <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b61977fb@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > On Feb 21, 7:59 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > than cars, in fact they're almost as cool as bikes... if they were > electric motors they would probably suck even less. Riiiiight.... ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter. If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's something seriously wrong. - Frank Krygowski On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > > In article > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - One of my coworkers lives in a small town. They borrow a neighboring towns police force, and fire is volunteer. Nice town. His 12-year- old son plays hockey. Some games are at 6AM, in Boston. Even if the kid could get to the nearest train station, 10 miles away, with all of his gear, there are no trains running that early. Other games are in Plaistow, NH - there's no way to get there by train. Others are out west, and if he makes the playoffs he'll be traveling out of state. He's too young to work, and too young to drive. How do you suggest he gets himself and all his equipment to his games? On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - We are talking about retiring drivers that don't have any need for cars other that long trips. Most trips in America fall in the short range category, easily covered by bikes, scooters and public transportation. Have you noticed how the lion has a set of priorities different from the little animals --even when it means life or death to them? "United States - The death toll on our highways makes driving the number one cause of death and injury for young people ages 5 to 27. Highway crashes cause 94 percent of all transportation fatalities and 99 percent of all transportation injuries, yet *traffic safety programs receive only one percent of the funding of the U.S. DOT budget*. The staggering loss of life and the incidence of life- threatening injuries occurring each year is best described as a public health crisis." http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics/statistics.htm Here's the story of the lion... ;) HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite words... Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as the quick way out of poverty..." And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle -- to the effect of exploring life in other planets... On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >We are talking about retiring drivers that don't have any >need for >cars other that long trips. Most trips in America fall in >the short >range category, easily covered by bikes, scooters and >public >transportation. Come to So. Calif. Public transportation is a joke. Our jobs are upwards of 50 miles from our homes. Please tell us what you consider a "Short Range" trip. > On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Going to the supermarket. How many Americans use a bike to go for grocery store? I do... Actually, that's the only place I can go without facing the beasts out there. You may also should be able to go places in your community, if any. > [...] >> We are talking about retiring drivers that don't have any >need for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 50 miles from our homes. Please tell us what you consider a "Short Range" > trip. Working at a job 50 miles away from one's residence is the real joke. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > > If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > He's too young to work, and too young to drive. How do you suggest he > gets himself and all his equipment to his games? The somthing that's seriously wrong there is the hockey league, that expects kids and their parents to drive all over creation like that. If they must travel that far to find competition, why the heck doesn't the team meet at the local arena and have a team bus or something? Or better, why travel so darned far? > On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the team meet at the local arena and have a team bus or something? Or > better, why travel so darned far? What business is it of yours? Bill "Nanny State here we come" S. > > The somthing that's seriously wrong there is the hockey league, that > > expects kids and their parents to drive all over creation like that. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What business is it of yours? Well, if that were the case here, it would prevent my son from playing hockey because I don't have a car. Meanwhile, I share the planet with your son's team and the 30-odd cars that drive around for every game they play. That's what business it is of mine. >>> The somthing that's seriously wrong there is the hockey league, that >>> expects kids and their parents to drive all over creation like that. >>> If they must travel that far to find competition, why the heck >>> doesn't the team meet at the local arena and have a team bus or >>> something? Or better, why travel so darned far? >> What business is it of yours? > Well, if that were the case here, it would prevent my son from playing > hockey because I don't have a car. But it's not the case there (your there, not the other person's there, where it is the case). HTH > Meanwhile, I share the planet with your son's team and the 30-odd cars > that drive around for every game they play. I don't have a son, but otherwise great comment. > That's what business it is of mine. Drive Nanny. > > > The somthing that's seriously wrong there is the hockey league, that > > > expects kids and their parents to drive all over creation like that. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > That's what business it is of mine. this is so whack, all those SUVs are destroying the ice cap faster than anything outside of China and the whole reason you claim to need one is to enable yer kid to skate around playing some silly game... get yer kid a lacrosse stick and let him do his checking on the turf. > this is so whack, all those SUVs are destroying the ice cap faster > than anything outside of China http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/antarctica-ice-cap-growth-reaches.html http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/05/27/antarctic-ice-a-global-wa rming-snow-job/ http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/4233/ijsbergen.htm http://www.iceagenow.com/Greenland_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm http://www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_Ice_Cap_Growing_Thicker.htm http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1281 http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/waterworld.html But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL Bill "sun of a..." S. > But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL =x= You know you're on Usenet when someone thinks that posting a seven links to seven echobox sites is a way to argue a point. <_Jym_> >> But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL > > =x= You know you're on Usenet when someone thinks that posting > a seven links to seven echobox sites is a way to argue a point. > <_Jym_> The Antarctic ice shelf is growing, "Jym" (sic). Check any /honest/ source you like. HTH >>> But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > HTH BTW, "Jym" (sic), why did you delete the statement with which I took issue? Here, I'll put it back: "this is so whack, all those SUVs are destroying the ice cap faster than anything outside of China" So I posted some links from a simple Google search ("ice caps growing") because A) SUVs have nothing to do with "the ice cap", and B) "the ice cap" is not only not being destroyed, it's getting bigger. (HINT: warmest year on record was 1998; it's been getting COOLER since then.) If you insist on posting in your insipid, non-quoting/attributing "style", "Jym" (sic), then at least be honest about it. TYVM. BS (calls it when I sees it) > >> But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The Antarctic ice shelf is growing, "Jym" (sic). Check any /honest/ source > you like. And the Artic ice is melting. Check any honest source you like. IIRC, Bill Sornson's approach to the global warming debate is much like his approach to the Weapons of Mass Destruction debate - the justification for invading Iraq. Of course, when he and his heroes turned out to be wrong, there was no retraction. And of course, by then the damage was irreversible. - Frank Krygowski >>>> But you're right -- the ice caps are shrinking...ON MARS! LOL >>> =x= You know you're on Usenet when someone thinks that posting [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Of course, when he and his heroes turned out to be wrong, there was no > retraction. And of course, by then the damage was irreversible. Sorni probably thinks that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq, but the mainstream media is covering it up. ;) SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful "it is not uncommon to hear cyclists being told by cops that the 'law of the jungle' exists on the road." http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/1735 I just want drivers and authorities to acknowledge that there's such law at work on our roads and that we cyclists (and everything on two wheels or legs) are at the bottom of the food chain, and that we need special laws that protect us. By the way, the dangerous drivers are the predators of this jungle. In article <913226af-dd72-4d9a-bd08-b4a180b8b041@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, > On Feb 21, 2:47 pm, "DanK...@gmail.com" <DanK...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the team meet at the local arena and have a team bus or something? Or > better, why travel so darned far? So they should build rinks a mile apart and only let the kids play the teams that play at the half a dozen that are closest? Riiiiiiight. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article > <913226af-dd72-4d9a-bd08-b4a180b8b041@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Riiiiiiight. Answer the question - why do not the team members travel on a bus, instead of individual vehicles? Why do children need to be in these types of leagues in the first place? Is it really for them, or for the parent's ego (like so many organized youth sports)? SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > > In article > > <913226af-dd72-4d9a-bd08-b4a180b8b041@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Answer the question - why do not the team members travel on a bus, > instead of individual vehicles? The families already have cars. It costs money to buy buses and pay drivers and you'd need a lot of buses. > Why do children need to be in these types of leagues in the first place? > Is it really for them, or for the parent's ego (like so many organized > youth sports)? It's really for them. Sometimes, some parents forget that, but it really is for the kids. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >>> In article >>> <913226af-dd72-4d9a-bd08-b4a180b8b041@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > The families already have cars. It costs money to buy buses and pay > drivers and you'd need a lot of buses. If one needs a lot of buses, then how many freaking individual motor vehicles does it take? Until shown proof, I will not believe that every parent driving one or two children in a motor vehicle is less expensive than a bus. >> Why do children need to be in these types of leagues in the first place? >> Is it really for them, or for the parent's ego (like so many organized >> youth sports)? > > It's really for them. Sometimes, some parents forget that, but it really > is for the kids. Maybe the parents think the children need to be regimented, but is that what the children really want, or are they taught what to believe? SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > So they should build rinks a mile apart and only let the kids play the > teams that play at the half a dozen that are closest? > > Riiiiiiight. That certainly would be expensive. Here are some alternatives: First, build the rinks five miles apart. Kids would then have to travel less than three miles to get to the closest one. Second, get the kids away from the video games, and take away their high fructose corn syrup drinks and their fatty burgers, to reduce the size of their fatty a.ses. Third, get the kids used to moving around on their own. They should then be able to haul their own bodies, plus whatever they need to play games, three miles. Hell, they can take the bus if necessary. Fourth, and probably most important, get the dads into counseling. With professional help, they may be able to ditch the fantasy that their little heroes will grow up to be professional hockey players. Dads can get back to reality, and kids can get back to their childhoods. - Frank Krygowski In article <8c5594fe-57ef-4d2d-9b37-5a56ad44632e@u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > So they should build rinks a mile apart and only let the kids play the > > teams that play at the half a dozen that are closest? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > First, build the rinks five miles apart. Kids would then have to > travel less than three miles to get to the closest one. And you're suggesting that they do that, how? It takes an adult about an hour to walk three miles. > Second, get the kids away from the video games, and take away their > high fructose corn syrup drinks and their fatty burgers, to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > then be able to haul their own bodies, plus whatever they need to play > games, three miles. Hell, they can take the bus if necessary. And when the team you need to play is 10 miles away? > Fourth, and probably most important, get the dads into counseling. > With professional help, they may be able to ditch the fantasy that > their little heroes will grow up to be professional hockey players. > Dads can get back to reality, and kids can get back to their > childhoods. And that childhood includes the desire to play sports on organized teams. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article > <8c5594fe-57ef-4d2d-9b37-5a56ad44632e@u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And you're suggesting that they do that, how? It takes an adult about an > hour to walk three miles. And 20 minutes cycling at a leisurely pace. >> Second, get the kids away from the video games, and take away their >> high fructose corn syrup drinks and their fatty burgers, to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And when the team you need to play is 10 miles away? Drive the bus a little farther? >> Fourth, and probably most important, get the dads into counseling. >> With professional help, they may be able to ditch the fantasy that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And that childhood includes the desire to play sports on organized teams. A desire no doubt inoculated into the children by adults. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful >> So they should build rinks a mile apart and only let the kids play the >> teams that play at the half a dozen that are closest? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >First, build the rinks five miles apart. Kids would then have to >travel less than three miles to get to the closest one. I live in the Philadelphia area, one of the most hockey-mad areas south of Canada. WE don't have rinks spaced 5 miles apart. It's not economically feasible. And don't forget it's an area you need to cover, not a line. >Second, get the kids away from the video games, and take away their >high fructose corn syrup drinks and their fatty burgers, to reduce the >size of their fatty a.ses. You do realize that hockey counts as exercise, right? SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. On Feb 24, 1:53 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: > In article <8c5594fe-57ef-4d2d-9b37-5a56ad446...@u72g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > economically feasible. And don't forget it's an area you need to > cover, not a line. I know it's not a line. I was visualizing an area. > >Second, get the kids away from the video games, and take away their > >high fructose corn syrup drinks and their fatty burgers, to reduce the > >size of their fatty a.ses. > > You do realize that hockey counts as exercise, right? I realize that the vast majority of sports fans are men over 25 who are overweight, and get their sports "fix" not by exercising, but by sitting on couches in front of TVs. I also realize that most of those men hope their kids will be sports heroes, to one degree or other - but that these days, they're more likely to drive them to a team event, rather than to get out and play the sport with them. I grew up playing a lot of football. Not in formal teams; instead, playing touch football with a few other friends. I never got into watching it on TV. When I was in college I played very successfully on a couple intramural football teams. I was pretty close to the bottom regarding knowledge of tactics, let alone worshipful knowledge of teams' and individual athletes' statistics. But I was one of a very few who had the stamina to play both offense and defense when necessary. I had been out moving around when the others had been watching TV. I'm pretty sure most of the guys I played with now look like the typical American "sports fan" - overweight, yelling "advice" at a pro team's coach, spending more time exercising their couch muscles and jaw muscles than anything else. And hoping their kid's kids will be the sports hero they never were. It's better for kids to get out and play on their own. - Frank Krygowski >On Feb 24, 1:53 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >I realize that the vast majority of sports fans are men over 25 who >are overweight Hockey in this case means PLAYING it, not WATCHING it. Did you think kids were being driven 15 miles to watch NHL games? [recounting of Frank's glory days elided] SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > On Feb 24, 1:53 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Frank Krygowski Frank, Today, kids getting out and playing on their own means stiing on front of a TV, or computer, playing video games. When I was young, we had none of these electronic distractions and we had to go out and find ways to play. I keep my kids busy so that doesn't happen to them. And we did have structured sports programs whan we were kids. Little League has been around for many years and parents were the same then. >> In article >> <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >- Frank Krygowski You're an idiot, Frank. SignatureClick here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ > >- Frank Krygowski > > You're an idiot, Frank. Hmm. A person lacking courage to identify himself, hurling a juvenile insult, while posting zero intelligent content. Not very impressive! - Frank Krygowski >> >- Frank Krygowski >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Frank Krygowski I'm not afraid, Frank. You're an idiot. On Feb 21, 7:51 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > > >- Frank Krygowski > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Frank Krygowski Well, at least you've got him beat in one respect (assuming you're posting under your real name.) On Feb 22, 9:53 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote: > > > Wow you really insist on showing the world how you are unable to comprehend > > > anything about society and the real world. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > mean that you should too. It's personal preference and affordability > and need and a phethora of other things. Pat, I'm sure I told you before that I don't question the fact you drive a vehicle, not even the fact that you live in the boondocks (remember the word?), just that I assert my right to travel on two wheels in relative safety. And what I see out there is intimidating, intimidating enough to make my girlfriend take the sidewalk, and me give up the bicycle sport as an intolerable blood sport... > The gov't can clearly set some type of emissions standards for cars > and can enforce them, although it is tougher to impose them > retroactively on older cars. The government can control useage > through tax policy. Exactly. You got enough money to waste on gas, then pay a hefty price for SUVs. Call it "Global Warming tax" if you will. > The government can also subsidize alternatives and promote research > into alternatives. Sure. That tax above would pay for the subsidies. > But when all is said and done, it is the individual consumer who > decides what to buy and where to drive and how to use their vehicles. > Market forces are incredibly hard to overcome. Market forces are business forces manipulated from above. Nothing democratic about it. Other peoples drive smaller cars following "market forces," or better said, following higher gas prices. > Since I am on a rant, one more pet peeve. Whoever it is who keeps > saying they ride a scooter and therefore such-and-such. It's a real [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > are doing. Most promise they will rectify the problem and I believe > them. Truck drivers are real drivers. The best drivers in America. They have special license and training. > For all the worrying about inattentive SUV drivers, I wonder if you > aren't part of the problem. I've never found that to be an issue. I guess you don't know because you don't live in an urban environment. They are threat to others, just by being oversized. But the solution is NOT to ban them, but to have them get a truck license like above. Aren't SUVs trucks? OK, since the subject here is ROAD TERRORISM, it may be useful to know what the color code on our roads is... (quoted from 'It's No Accident') Since the September 11th terrorist attacks, officials in the Bush Administration have been issuing routine reminders about the threads posed by terrorists and urging us to be on the lookout for suspicious activity. In March 2002 the Department of Homeland Security introduced a color-coded terror system to alert law enforcement officials and the general public to increases in the level of "chatter" the goverment intercepts from suspected terror cells. We are urged to take extra precautions when the threat level is elevated. (...) Such efforts to alert the public to the potential for future attacks and encourage us to be prepared may indeed save some lives. On a day- to-day basis, however, the greatest threat to our individual safety is the same as it was before September 11th: DANGEROUS DRIVERS. If a color-coded system were adopted today to warn Americans of the risk of impending death or injury while traveling the nation's roads, we would have to be on CODE RED alert every single day. In spite of this reality, the government makes little effort to inform the public about the high crash rate on our roads, remind motorists of the rules of the road, warn them of the risks inherent in all forms of dangerous driving, encourage safe driving, or condemn dangerous driving. [Warning: These terrorists are on the loose] (Quoted from 'It's No Accident." The items I disagree with, I put a question mark. Consider it a rough draft for the revolution's traffic safey policy, or simply an impossible dream for America) As to what should constitute gross negligence on the part of motorists, this is obviously the stikiest part of the equation. Some of what I believe constitutes gross negligence is perfectly legal right now. Other such behaviors net little more than a slap on the wrist. However, if our society is ever to get truly serious about elimination avoidable crashes on our roads, it is essential that we begin to distinguish between crashes that result from honest mistakes and those that result from INTENTIONAL DISREGARD FOR SAFETY. [my emphasis] Accordingly, any definition of gross negligence would, at minimum, include crashes that involve the following: - talking on a hand-held or hands-free phone, watching TV, reading a newspaper, or operating a laptop computer while driving [!] - driving more than 14mph over the speed limit - driving more than 9mph over the speed limit AND engaging in anyone of the following behaviors: taigating, attempting to pass another vehicle that is already traveling at the speed limit [?]*, running a solid red light, or running a stop sign - hit and run, etc... * I don't think anyone should play vigilante. Besides we can put speed cameras that do the job better, with less road rage. I'd add my own: - zigzagging around cars - driving too slow (15mph under the limit) - installing equipment that imperil other people, such as macho bumpers On Feb 22, 11:30 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote: > (Quoted from 'It's No Accident." The items I disagree with... I tend to agree with you about drivers, Don. However it N. America your posts on this subject amount to tilting at windmills. I guess that explains the nym, eh? LOL! d. > On Feb 22, 11:30 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> > wrote:> (Quoted from 'It's No Accident." The items I disagree with... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > windmills. I guess that explains the nym, eh? LOL! > d. Sort of. ;) In Europe they are redundant, and in America they fall on deaf ears. Should I take the revolution to So. America or Africa? There's a better chance of them listening... Banana Revolution sounds tropical, doesn't it? > On Feb 21, 7:51 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well, at least you've got him beat in one respect (assuming you're > posting under your real name.) All indications are that Frank Krygowski is a real person. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful >>> - Frank Krygowski >> You're an idiot, Frank. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Frank Krygowski Usenet would be greatly improved if everyone had to use his/her real name. Of course, some people still mistakenly put their email address in their user-name field. Sheesh! SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful On Feb 21, 2:27 pm, frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > > In article > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Maybe they are driven there against their will. ;) >> In article >> <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's >something seriously wrong. They won't be doing it on a scooter. Or a bicycle. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. In article <200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Frank Krygowski They can just walk 15 miles on their own? At age 9? SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > > > If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's > > something seriously wrong. > > They can just walk 15 miles on their own? At age 9? I didn't propose they walk 15 miles on their own, and not only because I didn't know what the distance was. I simply said there is _something_ seriously wrong with that situation. Possibilities are many. For example, there are serious problems with neighborhoods in which kids can't safely get around on their own. Isn't it foolish to build a world where a kid has to be transported everywhere by car? Yet that's the standard model for American suburbs. But beyond that: there's frequently something wrong with tying kids to a regimented sports schedule. I've seen firsthand the effects of demanding coaches and pushy parents. I think nine-year-old kids should be out exploring the world, and/or arranging pick-up games in their own neighborhood, not signed up for formal team sports. But in general, I think if a kid has to be regularly transported 15 miles by car, it's likely that _someone_ made a mistake - perhaps in planning, perhaps in objectives, perhaps in priorities. The mistake could have been made by government agencies, or by housing developers, or by voters, or by parents. But the situation is not good. I think the switch from kid-powered transportation to car-powered transportation has removed lots of opportunities for kids - and added lots of body fat and other health problems. - Frank Krygowski In article <355445d2-2207-4f53-8c4a-9f6bd836ab06@b29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, > > frkry...@gmail.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > should be out exploring the world, and/or arranging pick-up games in > their own neighborhood, not signed up for formal team sports. At what age would you graciously allow kids to start playing for formal sports teams? > But in general, I think if a kid has to be regularly transported 15 > miles by car, it's likely that _someone_ made a mistake - perhaps in > planning, perhaps in objectives, perhaps in priorities. The mistake > could have been made by government agencies, or by housing developers, > or by voters, or by parents. But the situation is not good. On the contrary, the situation is fine. > I think the switch from kid-powered transportation to car-powered > transportation has removed lots of opportunities for kids - and added > lots of body fat and other health problems. You're assuming that the one eliminates the other and that is false. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article > <355445d2-2207-4f53-8c4a-9f6bd836ab06@b29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > At what age would you graciously allow kids to start playing for formal > sports teams? High school is early enough. Unless you think they need earlier conditioning in group think and obeying orders. >> But in general, I think if a kid has to be regularly transported 15 >> miles by car, it's likely that _someone_ made a mistake - perhaps in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You're assuming that the one eliminates the other and that is false. There are a lot of things I would have changed about my childhood, but being shuttled around in a family vehicle is certainly not one of them. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > > In article > > <355445d2-2207-4f53-8c4a-9f6bd836ab06@b29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > High school is early enough. Unless you think they need earlier > conditioning in group think and obeying orders. LOL That's all you see in it, isn't it? > >> But in general, I think if a kid has to be regularly transported 15 > >> miles by car, it's likely that _someone_ made a mistake - perhaps in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > There are a lot of things I would have changed about my childhood, but > being shuttled around in a family vehicle is certainly not one of them. Non sequitur. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >In article ><200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >They can just walk 15 miles on their own? At age 9? Maybe if you didn't buy that (larger) house out in the middle of what used to be a corn field he wouldn't be 15 miles away from everything. SignaturePlease don't give financial rewards to trolls - DO NOT CLICK on any URLs containing "calrog.com" >>In article >><200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Maybe if you didn't buy that (larger) house out in the middle of what > used to be a corn field he wouldn't be 15 miles away from everything. If I didn't, my kids would be going to the worst schools on the planet, and getting shot at every other day. I choose to live where I do to keep my family safe. >>> In article >>> <200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > getting shot at every other day. I choose to live where I do to keep my > family safe. That is what you think. However, your unsustainable lifestyle (combined with that of others living the same way) will leave a world for your children that is a living hell. The population of the world WILL severely decrease within the next century, and it will not be pleasant. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > >>> In article > >>> <200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > The population of the world WILL severely decrease within the next > century, and it will not be pleasant. Would you care to bet on that? SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >>>>> In article >>>>> <200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Would you care to bet on that? No, because I might not be around to collect. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > In article <fpo9ek$cl...@registered.motzarella.org>, > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Do you think either of you will be around to collect? >> In article >> <200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Maybe if you didn't buy that (larger) house out in the middle of what > used to be a corn field he wouldn't be 15 miles away from everything. What business is it of yours? Bill "Nanny State here we come" S. > >In article > ><200eb468-e0bf-408b-8be9-0a80a84856ce@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Maybe if you didn't buy that (larger) house out in the middle of what > used to be a corn field he wouldn't be 15 miles away from everything. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> In article >> <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > If your kids can't get themselves to their own hockey game, there's > something seriously wrong. Indeed. When I was a child, we walked or rode our bicycles to get places. It is a sick society that thinks a two ton steel cage is needed to haul a child around. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful On Feb 22, 10:52 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote: > Indeed. When I was a child, we walked or rode our bicycles to get places. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Tom Sherman - Roger that, and when I was a kid there weren't a whole lot of fat kids, maybe theres a connection between being hauled around in MVs and the percentage of fatties in the grammar schools? We only played hockey when the ponds froze over, maybe having adults structure and organize their games is a contributing factor, as well. I certainly feel more empowered without having to pay daily homage to the auto/oil complex. Kids ain't any dumber than their parents, just shorter; I'm sure being hauled around to play games set up by their parents, destroying their autonomy, weakens their sense of self esteem. If it doesn't it surely should. So what can they do to repair their broken sense of self worth - I know, buy a really expensive car! that'll fix everything. > On Feb 22, 10:52 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > repair their broken sense of self worth - I know, buy a really > expensive car! that'll fix everything. This sounds to me like trying to convince a dinosaur to evolve... Here's an actual interview with one: Q: What's up. How does it feel to be on the verge of extinction? A: Nah, there will never be one. Q: All the reports point to a mass extinction. A: Don't pay attention to that. Those are rumors spread by those little furry mammals... Q: But your behavior is obviously stupid. All that voracity and violence... A: Only necessary to keep the size that I've got. Q: And why do you need that size? A: Because I rule the jungle. Q: And why do you need to rule the jungle? A: You ask too many questions... Remember I've got a pea-sized brain. (And here the interview was terminated. Then the dinosaur killed a few more mammals, and went to sleep --65 million years ago) > >> In article > >> <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > It is a sick society that thinks a two ton steel cage is needed to haul > a child around. I'm sorry, but kids play organized hockey and that means traveling complete with hockey gear to rinks that may be as much as 50 miles away and often more than 5 miles away. A bicycle is simply not a feasible mode of transportation. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >>>> In article >>>> <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > A bicycle is simply not a feasible mode of transportation. Why do the kids NEED to play organized hockey in a league that takes them all over the place. Maybe if they have the talent to someday play in the NHL, but otherwise it is just silly. If the children are going to be part of such a team, why can not they walk or cycle to a meeting point where a bus would pick up the whole team? SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > In article > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ...good luck getting your kids to their hockey game on a scooter. Just don't have so many kids. Or have them all ride bikes to the hockey game. Hey, a van sometimes is necessary. Nobody is preaching kicking the addiction altogether. In article <5be99937-f1e3-4fcb-96b0-c025fe57e697@72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <368cf42f-4c77-4b27-8446-54a7b6197...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Hey, a van sometimes is necessary. Nobody is preaching kicking the > addiction altogether. No. Just making the subtle assumption that it *is* an addiction; something bad and to be eliminated. Personal vehicles are one of the greatest forces for personal liberty and quality of life ever invented. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article > <5be99937-f1e3-4fcb-96b0-c025fe57e...@72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - When you notice all the couch potatoes behind the wheel stuck in traffic jams, you know they are addicted to gas. Even Bush admitted it, didn't he? In article <9d228bb9-6bf5-4fa8-b044-23d5ab45c4b5@72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <5be99937-f1e3-4fcb-96b0-c025fe57e...@72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > traffic jams, you know they are addicted to gas. Even Bush admitted > it, didn't he? I wouldn't know. But no, the existence of traffic jams doesn't show that. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article > <9d228bb9-6bf5-4fa8-b044-23d5ab45c...@72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > But no, the existence of traffic jams doesn't show that. It only shows there no options other than sitting in endless traffic jams. Create the options, and you will see them come out of their cages. In article <93c9360f-06d6-4747-a42b-93d41727c93b@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <9d228bb9-6bf5-4fa8-b044-23d5ab45c...@72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > jams. Create the options, and you will see them come out of their > cages. The options have existed for years. Here's a clue: people don't want them. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." > In article > <93c9360f-06d6-4747-a42b-93d41727c93b@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Here's a clue: people don't want them. The answer then is to raise people with values that create a healthier, more sustainable society. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > > In article > > <93c9360f-06d6-4747-a42b-93d41727c93b@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > The answer then is to raise people with values that create a healthier, > more sustainable society. Riiiiiiight. If people don't want the right things (i.e. the things *you* think they should want) there's something wrong with *them*. Please. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >>> [...] >>>> It only shows there no options other than sitting in endless traffic [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If people don't want the right things (i.e. the things *you* think they > should want) there's something wrong with *them*.[...] Now we are making progress. SignatureTom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > >&g |
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